Facebook ads: bad investment for small businesses

by Aero77
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What do you think about this ?

I've been using facebook ads and for me this have been a total waste of money so I'm out. I'll be spending my money on Google adwords from now.

Facebook Pages Are a Bad Investment for Small Businesses - Forbes
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    The Forbes article is about Facebook PAGES, not Facebook ads, and seemed to be more of a rant about having to pay to promote your post to reach your own audience. But it also demonstrates a lack of understanding of Facebook's advertising methods. Where else can you show an ad to the same person 1,000 times for 3 cents? Nowhere...

    That said, if you're struggling with Facebook ads give this method a try. There's a psychology behind why Facebook ads convert lower than search ads, and if you understand that and adapt your campaign to compensate you can still do well with it.

    How to Win With Facebook Ads
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      The Forbes article is about Facebook PAGES, not Facebook ads, and seemed to be more of a rant about having to pay to promote your post to reach your own audience. But it also demonstrates a lack of understanding of Facebook's advertising methods. Where else can you show an ad to the same person 1,000 times for 3 cents? Nowhere...

      That said, if you're struggling with Facebook ads give this method a try. There's a psychology behind why Facebook ads convert lower than search ads, and if you understand that and adapt your campaign to compensate you can still do well with it.

      How to Win With Facebook Ads
      That is a great article. Thank you for writing it and sharing here. Great method for using several forms of ads together to grow conversions.
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  • Profile picture of the author ErikNilsson
    70% of FB active users are in between 14-32 years age . So better advertise the products of that age range and you will get good results .... Just my opinion
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    • Profile picture of the author Aero77
      In my case I don't have any products to sell, just trying to promote my website using a page on facebook. I post pictures, status updates regularly and includes a link to my website in the description on each picture. I have a pretty good reach and lots of people click like on the pics etc, but it wont convert at all. I also tried the ads to get more likes and also ad campaigns to drive some visitors strait to my website, but until now its been a complete waste of money.

      To me it seems like people are so stuck on Facebook that its impossible for them to leave outside the borders of facebook.
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      • Profile picture of the author PBMax
        Beware the Facebook cult! Ha...

        But for real, social media has only created social shut-ins who have no clue what being "social" really is.

        Ergo, to succeed with social media advertising your product has to be something they can buy/get without having to leave their house or be forced to interact with too many people.

        The ones out partying and taking the "Facebook pictures" of themselves with their arms in the shots, yea, that's about 1% of the people who use social media. Those people are perhaps over-social and that's why the other 98% of social media zombies follow them - to live vicariously through them.

        Now, I'm no head shrink, but my two cents seem pretty valuable on this issue.

        (Wait. 1% + 98% = 99%. Where's the last 1%? Well, the last 1% are normal people who balance their lives between really social and online social. Maybe that's you..)
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        • Profile picture of the author ladybug252
          Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

          Beware the Facebook cult! Ha...

          But for real, social media has only created social shut-ins who have no clue what being "social" really is.
          My sentiments exactly!
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      • Profile picture of the author ronrule
        Originally Posted by Aero77 View Post

        In my case I don't have any products to sell, just trying to promote my website using a page on facebook. I post pictures, status updates regularly and includes a link to my website in the description on each picture. I have a pretty good reach and lots of people click like on the pics etc, but it wont convert at all. I also tried the ads to get more likes and also ad campaigns to drive some visitors strait to my website, but until now its been a complete waste of money.

        To me it seems like people are so stuck on Facebook that its impossible for them to leave outside the borders of facebook.
        If you have no products, how are you defining a conversion?

        I ask because I don't recommend abandoning the medium just yet - the problem isn't with Facebook ads, it's with how you're trying to use them. The syndicated article you found on Forbes (I say Syndicated because it's not an actual Forbes writer who wrote that) screams "I don't know what I'm doing" to me.

        By the way, I'm not a "fanboy" of Facebook ads. I just understand the difference between marketing and consumer engagement. The reason most people are failing with Facebook is because they're viewing it as a marketing platform, which is a mistake. Check the link I sent you, it will explain it better.
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        • Profile picture of the author Aero77
          Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

          If you have no products, how are you defining a conversion?

          I ask because I don't recommend abandoning the medium just yet - the problem isn't with Facebook ads, it's with how you're trying to use them. The syndicated article you found on Forbes (I say Syndicated because it's not an actual Forbes writer who wrote that) screams "I don't know what I'm doing" to me.

          By the way, I'm not a "fanboy" of Facebook ads. I just understand the difference between marketing and consumer engagement. The reason most people are failing with Facebook is because they're viewing it as a marketing platform, which is a mistake. Check the link I sent you, it will explain it better.
          I read your article and I like it How I define a conversion in my case is people coming from facebook to my site, logins and start interact with my site(comment). I have a niche website and the ads on facebook are targeted to the same on facebook.
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          • Profile picture of the author CollegeCEO
            Originally Posted by webbiz_yomi View Post

            Now that is somewhere to start..

            I just got your ebook. Hoping its gonna deliver the juice?

            Lol.
            Thanks for downloading! The method is very effective. I hope you like the humor in there haha.

            Originally Posted by Aero77 View Post

            I read your article and I like it How I define a conversion in my case is people coming from facebook to my site, logins and start interact with my site(comment). I have a niche website and the ads on facebook are targeted to the same on facebook.
            Creating an effective Facebook ad is about much more than just your targeting criteria. The ad itself (copy+image) plays a big part. There are other factors such as your actual website. Also, you should always direct FB ads to a landing tab on your Fan Page. Don't direct the ads to your website, or the Timeline of your Fan Page. Create an HTML tab on Facebook or use an App to create a landing page on Facebook. Those are just some basic tips, there's a lot more.
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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    Is Forbes the authority on Internet Marketing? I'd rather listen to someone who lives and breathes IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author scottlin
    Facebook ads need to be treated seriously. They work amazingly well but if you don't know what you are doing, or even if you do but fail to pay attention to them, they can burn you fast.

    But if you take the time to learn how to use them and keep testing testing testing + realize that you will possibly fail more often than succeed but it doesn't matter, then you can crush it with FB Ads.
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    • Profile picture of the author webbiz_yomi
      You simply need to get as much info about how to advertise right be it on facebook or anywhere for that matter.

      I will suggest besides above, create several similar ads and test, test, test.

      Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author CollegeCEO
    After reading through the article, it seems as though his inability to make Facebook work well for his company gave him an overall negative view of Facebook Pages. He blatantly states in the article that they didn't really understand how Facebook Pages worked.

    Our biggest disappointment was our misunderstanding of how Facebook Pages work.
    Going into something with no idea how it works, and then complaining when you fail the first time is unreasonable. If everyone who got involved with Internet Marketing had his mindset then this forum would be awfully dead.

    My problem with posts like that is that they give people a false idea of Facebook for advertising purposes. He shouldn't blame his inexperience and lack of ability on Facebook Pages. Using Facebook Pages effectively takes time and skills.

    I actually wrote an entire e-book on how to use Facebook effectively (I use to for list building all the time). If you want to check it out the link is in my sig and it's free. I might have to make a blog post in response to that article because it's so ridiculous lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author webbiz_yomi
      Now that is somewhere to start..

      I just got your ebook. Hoping its gonna deliver the juice?

      Lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    The FB ad is hard to get sales from it. However, you can build more likes from the FB ad for building good relationship with the likes (fans).

    If you want to build more likes, I suggest you to select CPM as payment option. Because the CPM is cheaper than the CPC.
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    • Profile picture of the author CollegeCEO
      Originally Posted by himanuzo View Post

      The FB ad is hard to get sales from it. However, you can build more likes from the FB ad for building good relationship with the likes (fans).

      If you want to build more likes, I suggest you to select CPM as payment option. Because the CPM is cheaper than the CPC.
      I totally disagree. It's widely accepted that CPC is the best option for FB advertising. If you have a good ad and a nice landing page, you're only going to be paying pennies for each Like.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Their article is true in that you just because someone likes your page doesn't mean they're going to see every post you make it, (which you would like as the owner of the page). Facebook has made it so only a percentage see the posts and you have to PAY to get more to see it. It's monetization and a sneaky way to do it but it's not illegal. Facebook is hell bent on keeping all users on facebook.com. They don't want you leaving.

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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    Are your ads only driving visitors to Like or visit your Facebook page, or are you sending them to your website?

    The likelihood of getting someone from a Facebook page to a website is very low, but the ads themselves should be bringing people there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aero77
    I used it to get more likes on my facebook page, and maybe make them visit my page from there by posting updates.
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    • Profile picture of the author ronrule
      Originally Posted by Aero77 View Post

      I used it to get more likes on my facebook page, and maybe make them visit my page from there by posting updates.
      People who newly like a page are the most tuned in, those who have been around for a while won't be unless you have a history of engaging content. Have you tried posting stuff on your Facebook page that's likely to be shared/liked/commented on that isn't a marketing piece? It's tough to transition a user from a post to a page, but if you can entertain them for a little while and then move in for the kill you'll have their attention when you do.

      My firm manages the pages for a handful of major brands, and one of the things I do is commit to NOT promoting the brand's products. The Facebook page is a place to engage consumers... entertain them and be "in their face" every day with content that has high likes and comments, and when you DO occasionally throw out a reason for them to click through to the website, more of them will see it.

      Your post visibility in others news feed is controlled by how "important" Facebook thinks your content is. If all you post are marketing pieces, you will be seen by very few people (hence the Forbes contributor's frustrations). But i you're posting content that a lot of people like/share you'll start becoming visible again to those who have ignored you. There's also the 'Add to Interests Lists" trick (detailed at the link).

      Your original post inspired me to go on a rant of my own today, lol. Here is its:

      Are Facebook Pages Bad For Small Business?
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  • Profile picture of the author Aero77
    Well I've been posting pictures straight onto my page wall. Pictures of interest to the likers and they've been liked and shared etc which is good.
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    • Profile picture of the author ronrule
      Originally Posted by Aero77 View Post

      Well I've been posting pictures straight onto my page wall. Pictures of interest to the likers and they've been liked and shared etc which is good.
      Ok good so you're on the right track then. If you're comfortable with the number of followers you have, try doing what I suggested with the promoted post about getting them to add you to their interests list. I've used a few variations of the copy below, but this version took us from an average "Seen by" of 200-300 to 2,800 on a page with 8,000 likes.

      "Hey guys, since Facebook has recently changed the rules of what shows up in the news feeds we realized that a lot of people weren't seeing our posts - in fact, I had to pay $10 just so you would see THIS one. Do us a HUGE favor and head over to our page, click the gears icon next to the Like button, and hit "Add to Interests Lists" - that help make sure you won't miss any of the awesome stuff we share. Plus, if you do it, we will think you're really cool and tattoo your name all over our bodies. Yeah, we're good like that."

      Include an image like what I put in the article but for your own page (showing them where to click) in the post.
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  • Profile picture of the author ZephyrIon
    While I'm doing this affiliate marketing and making products. That's what I do for a living is managing pages in Facebook ad campaigns. As a small business, for example, a chiropractor in Grand Rapids Michigan, isn't going to give it as much return on investment out of their fan page easy as saying a mud run for the whole state of Michigan.

    You really have to gauge these specific to yourself when reading these news articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author ronrule
      Originally Posted by ZephyrIon View Post

      While I'm doing this affiliate marketing and making products. That's what I do for a living is managing pages in Facebook ad campaigns. As a small business, for example, a chiropractor in Grand Rapids Michigan, isn't going to give it as much return on investment out of their fan page easy as saying a mud run for the whole state of Michigan.

      You really have to gauge these specific to yourself when reading these news articles.
      That's an excellent point ... How "fanable" is your product? That will have a huge impact as well. If you're selling cool tech gadgets, you can have huge success with Facebook, but if you're an accounting firm you're totally wasting your time.

      "YAY, I LOVE XYZ ACCOUNTING! THEY ROCK! WOOOO!!"
      -- Nobody
      Heh. If your business has "cool factor" and is something that lends itself to a following, like gadgets, restaurants, alcohol, social events, etc. you're going to have a completely different experience with Facebook than a "boring" business that doesn't excite people. Look at BDO - biggest accounting firm in the world, 1200 offices in 130 countries, $620 million in annual revenue ... 5 likes on their last Facebook post. Accounting is boring. Facebook isn't a fit for them and wouldn't be worth their time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aero77
    I read your article and its true that less is more. For a while I posted a new picture every hour and the numbers were low. Going back to the old picture posting scheme increased the views. Thats good news cause posting every hour made me frustrated and I were spending to much time finding new stuff for the next hour lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Botkins
    Facebook is a horrible investment for any business and a complete waste of time. Don't let a "social media expert" tell you otherwise. Build an email list. Facebook will disappear one of these days and those 50-5000000 fans you have will no longer be potential customers. Take it from somebody who had success on Facebook with both organic and paid advertising - it's a waste. Build an email list. You will always own that and will never own your Facebook fans or Twitter followers list.
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    • Profile picture of the author ronrule
      Originally Posted by Scott Botkins View Post

      Facebook is a horrible investment for any business and a complete waste of time. Don't let a "social media expert" tell you otherwise. Build an email list. Facebook will disappear one of these days and those 50-5000000 fans you have will no longer be potential customers. Take it from somebody who had success on Facebook with both organic and paid advertising - it's a waste. Build an email list. You will always own that and will never own your Facebook fans or Twitter followers list.
      Yeah, the $30,000 worth of sales in one day due to posting a CyberMonday deal on Facebook to all of the fans we spent the year collecting made the two minutes a day spent on Facebook such a waste of time. :rolleyes:

      I agree that Facebook is a fad - but so what? That's like saying you won't buy advertising on the most watched television show because some day that show will be canceled. If it works now, do it.

      Like any form of marketing, it all comes down to strategy and audience. If you ran TV ads on animal planet selling hunting gear you probably wouldn't do too well... it doesn't mean "animal planet ads are a waste", it's just the wrong audience for that product. If you were dog vitamins you'd do great. Some products can do really well with Facebook and some won't. You don't need to be an expert to know that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Botkins
        Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

        Yeah, the $30,000 worth of sales in one day due to posting a CyberMonday deal on Facebook to all of the fans we spent the year collecting made the two minutes a day spent on Facebook such a waste of time. :rolleyes:

        I agree that Facebook is a fad - but so what? That's like saying you won't buy advertising on the most watched television show because some day that show will be canceled. If it works now, do it.

        Like any form of marketing, it all comes down to strategy and audience. If you ran TV ads on animal planet selling hunting gear you probably wouldn't do too well... it doesn't mean "animal planet ads are a waste", it's just the wrong audience for that product. If you were dog vitamins you'd do great. Some products can do really well with Facebook and some won't. You don't need to be an expert to know that.
        I made thousands back on my investment in Facebook and it sounds like you made good on yours, however this is not common. Facebook is a horrible long-term marketing investment for any business. It will disappear along with Twitter, all of the money and time spent will be wasted. Most importantly the fans and likes you get will be a waste too unless Facebook unexpectedly let's us collect the fan's email address and name to import into our email lists - most likely not going to happen. Email will always be the king when it comes to online marketing.

        The $30k you made probably could have been made through email and probably more too. In order to have success on Facebook the fans must be online within 3-5 hours of your post or it goes unseen with zero engagement. Facebook is a good tool for now because everybody is at the party, but soon that party will get boring.
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        • Profile picture of the author ronrule
          Originally Posted by Scott Botkins View Post

          I made thousands back on my investment in Facebook and it sounds like you made good on yours, however this is not common. Facebook is a horrible long-term marketing investment for any business. It will disappear along with Twitter, all of the money and time spent will be wasted. Most importantly the fans and likes you get will be a waste too unless Facebook unexpectedly let's us collect the fan's email address and name to import into our email lists - most likely not going to happen. Email will always be the king when it comes to online marketing.

          The $30k you made probably could have been made through email and probably more too. In order to have success on Facebook the fans must be online within 3-5 hours of your post or it goes unseen with zero engagement. Facebook is a good tool for now because everybody is at the party, but soon that party will get boring.
          I find your position to be kind of interesting for a few reasons. First, email use itself is in decline, and anyone who's been doing email marketing for more than 5 years can attest to lower engagement rates than we used to get. Our individual techniques may have improved over the years, but any volume you're doing today would have been many times better five years ago if your knowledge and skill level then was what it was today. Generation Y barely uses email, and as that group matures and a newer generation comes online the numbers will be even less.

          As for your point about medium lifecycles, I don't think that's as relevant as you think it is. Are you still getting direct response sales from people who signed up for your list five years ago? Do you think you'll be making money off of a person five years from now who signs up for your list today?

          If the answer to either of those questions is yes - which I would find incredibly hard to believe - then it's not that "email works" for you, it's that you've done a great job of capturing an audience. If your base is that tuned in, it means they like YOU - and they'll follow you to any medium.

          Personally I don't consider either a long-term investment. But for now they're both working, so there isn't any reason to shy away from one based on some misguided belief that one will outlast the other.
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          • Profile picture of the author Scott Botkins
            Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

            I find your position to be kind of interesting for a few reasons. First, email use itself is in decline, and anyone who's been doing email marketing for more than 5 years can attest to lower engagement rates than we used to get. Our individual techniques may have improved over the years, but any volume you're doing today would have been many times better five years ago if your knowledge and skill level then was what it was today. Generation Y barely uses email, and as that group matures and a newer generation comes online the numbers will be even less.

            As for your point about medium lifecycles, I don't think that's as relevant as you think it is. Are you still getting direct response sales from people who signed up for your list five years ago? Do you think you'll be making money off of a person five years from now who signs up for your list today?

            If the answer to either of those questions is yes - which I would find incredibly hard to believe - then it's not that "email works" for you, it's that you've done a great job of capturing an audience. If your base is that tuned in, it means they like YOU - and they'll follow you to any medium.

            Personally I don't consider either a long-term investment. But for now they're both working, so there isn't any reason to shy away from one based on some misguided belief that one will outlast the other.
            Email isn't going anywhere and will always be around. Every single marketing study shows people (including generation Y) trust email more than social networks - a simple google search will show that too. As matter of fact the CTR is on the rise in email, especially those emails designed to fit into the mobile devices. The idea of building an audience on these sites doesn't make any sense unless you're a big corporation with money to waste. You'll never own the list of fans or followers. You'll always be subject to limitations of what you can post or market to those followers or fans because of rules, changes and restrictions by these social networks.
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            • Profile picture of the author ronrule
              Originally Posted by Scott Botkins View Post

              Email isn't going anywhere and will always be around. Every single marketing study shows people (including generation Y) trust email more than social networks - a simple google search will show that too. As matter of fact the CTR is on the rise in email, especially those emails designed to fit into the mobile devices. The idea of building an audience on these sites doesn't make any sense unless you're a big corporation with money to waste. You'll never own the list of fans or followers. You'll always be subject to limitations of what you can post or market to those followers or fans because of rules, changes and restrictions by these social networks.
              E-mail use is down 31% among teens and 34% among 18-24 year olds since 2010 according to Comscore. Sure it's not "going away" but make no mistake that email use is seeing declines, and the trend will continue as the teens transition into adulthood. You keep saying you'll never "own the list" of Facebook fans, but my point is that there is no value in "owning a list" of email addresses that are several years old. There IS value, right now, in having a list of Facebook ID's though.

              Did you know that you can now create Facebook ads that target an individual user, at a cost of 3 cents per 1,000 views? Think about that ... I can pull the Facebook ID's on all 8,000 fans on one of my pages, spend $240, and each of them will see whatever ad I want them to see in the sidebar 1,000 times. Even if they Unlike my page.

              How many people would still be on your list if you emailed them the same thing 1,000 times?

              List building is great, don't get me wrong, I just don't think it's the end all be all you seem to. It has a lifecycle too.
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              • Profile picture of the author Scott Botkins
                Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

                E-mail use is down 31% among teens and 34% among 18-24 year olds since 2010 according to Comscore. Sure it's not "going away" but make no mistake that email use is seeing declines, and the trend will continue as the teens transition into adulthood. You keep saying you'll never "own the list" of Facebook fans, but my point is that there is no value in "owning a list" of email addresses that are several years old. There IS value, right now, in having a list of Facebook ID's though.

                Did you know that you can now create Facebook ads that target an individual user, at a cost of 3 cents per 1,000 views? Think about that ... I can pull the Facebook ID's on all 8,000 fans on one of my pages, spend $240, and each of them will see whatever ad I want them to see in the sidebar 1,000 times. Even if they Unlike my page.

                How many people would still be on your list if you emailed them the same thing 1,000 times?

                List building is great, don't get me wrong, I just don't think it's the end all be all you seem to. It has a lifecycle too.
                I just disagree with building a list on Facebook, Twitter, etc. I believe long-term it's a bad investment and this is coming from somebody who had success on it. Now they are charging for your posts to even be seen, it will get worse and become a horrible marketing platform - that's my prediction. You mention flooding somebody's email 1000's times a day. If I logged on to Facebook and my news feed was filled with 1000's of Warrior Forum posts I would immediately unlike them, it goes both ways. A good marketing strategy/campaign can be successful through 1-4 emails a month instead of posting 10 times a day on Facebook and getting nothing but "likes".
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                • Profile picture of the author FirstSocialApps
                  Originally Posted by Scott Botkins View Post

                  I just disagree with building a list on Facebook, Twitter, etc. I believe long-term it's a bad investment and this is coming from somebody who had success on it. Now they are charging for your posts to even be seen, it will get worse and become a horrible marketing platform - that's my prediction.
                  Well thats why you run an ad to a custom tab, like gated, with an offer, contest, or even just a plain old opt in page. With Facebooks low CPM and low CPC it a no brainier.
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                • Profile picture of the author CollegeCEO
                  Originally Posted by FirstSocialApps View Post

                  Well thats why you run an ad to a custom tab, like gated, with an offer, contest, or even just a plain old opt in page. With Facebooks low CPM and low CPC it a no brainier.
                  This. I honestly think that the all the people that say Facebook advertising is a bad investment don't understand how it is supposed to be used.

                  Originally Posted by Scott Botkins View Post

                  I just disagree with building a list on Facebook, Twitter, etc. I believe long-term it's a bad investment and this is coming from somebody who had success on it. Now they are charging for your posts to even be seen, it will get worse and become a horrible marketing platform - that's my prediction. You mention flooding somebody's email 1000's times a day. If I logged on to Facebook and my news feed was filled with 1000's of Warrior Forum posts I would immediately unlike them, it goes both ways. A good marketing strategy/campaign can be successful through 1-4 emails a month instead of posting 10 times a day on Facebook and getting nothing but "likes".
                  This statement proves my point. You don't use Facebook just to get "likes". It's supposed to be used to help build your brand, reach a wider audience, and to generate leads. If you use Facebook to build a list and Facebook goes down tomorrow, you still have the list that you created and can market to the subscribers however long you want to. Your list doesn't become useless just because Facebook doesn't exist anymore. I really don't understand your logic here.
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                  • Profile picture of the author FirstSocialApps
                    Originally Posted by CollegeCEO View Post

                    You don't use Facebook just to get "likes". It's supposed to be used to help build your brand, reach a wider audience, and to generate leads.
                    Yep thats correct. People should be taking advantage of Facebooks low CPM to direct ads to a fanpage tab that will encourage them to opt on some how, either for a deal, to enter a contest, of even just a tab with a squeeze page on it. The goal of FB ads should not be to build likes (though likes are a nice side effect) the goal should be to build a list. I mean what good are likes for other than stroking your ego? You have to pay FB again to message your fans (likes). Get them on your list and mail them as often as you like for free.
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    • Profile picture of the author scottlin
      Originally Posted by Scott Botkins View Post

      Facebook is a horrible investment for any business and a complete waste of time. Don't let a "social media expert" tell you otherwise. Build an email list. Facebook will disappear one of these days and those 50-5000000 fans you have will no longer be potential customers. Take it from somebody who had success on Facebook with both organic and paid advertising - it's a waste. Build an email list. You will always own that and will never own your Facebook fans or Twitter followers list.
      LOL

      You use facebook to build that email list.

      If you weren't building a list and were just accumulating fans and not getting them on your email list then clearly you had no idea at all!

      I have got ads running as high as 20% click through rate costing me as low as 2 cents per click....you can't get that on Google or anywhere else particularly when they are so highly targeted!

      So rather than say facebook ads and marketing doesn't work, maybe you should say it didn't work for you coz you didn't know what you were doing!
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Botkins
        Originally Posted by scottlin View Post

        LOL

        You use facebook to build that email list.

        If you weren't building a list and were just accumulating fans and not getting them on your email list then clearly you had no idea at all!

        I have got ads running as high as 20% click through rate costing me as low as 2 cents per click....you can't get that on Google or anywhere else particularly when they are so highly targeted!

        So rather than say facebook ads and marketing doesn't work, maybe you should say it didn't work for you coz you didn't know what you were doing!
        I could say it didn't work for me or that I didn't know what I was doing, but you missed the part where I said I made thousands back in my investment. My goal isn't to build an email list through Facebook. The debate I was having with ronrule was about long-term investment with Facebook marketing. I'm successfully able to get low click through rate ads too, that wasn't my argument.
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          Originally Posted by Scott Botkins View Post

          I could say it didn't work for me or that I didn't know what I was doing, but you missed the part where I said I made thousands back in my investment. My goal isn't to build an email list through Facebook. The debate I was having with ronrule was about long-term investment with Facebook marketing. I'm successfully able to get low click through rate ads too, that wasn't my argument.

          Who cares where the list comes from! I only care that they are targeted, responsive, interested and buy!

          I just find your points to be a little all over the shop. You mentioned several times that there is no value in facebook fans coz it is going to die one day.

          That is ridiculous. Yes it may die out one day and I believe it will too as history shows us that to be the case. But if that's 7 years away, or 5 or whatever, to say there is no value in using a platform coz it may die one day is not accurate!

          There is massive value in Facebook Ads and Marketing, you just need to be smart about it and understand what it is.
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  • I had a small online business a couple of years ago which was extremely niche but marketed to professionals. Facebook ads proved useless, at least the way we ran them. It seems every single campaign is different.
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    For that I'm not talking about news feed posts, I mean the sidebar ads. You can show an ad 1,000 times to the same user whether they unlike your page or not. Spend some time looking at the power tools - you would be surprised what you can do now. If they like your page you can get their ID and know they are at least a little interested in what you do. I am not talking about the traditional CPC or CPM ads through their Ad center.

    Facebook isnt a marketing platform, its a consumer engagement platform. A strategy where your page engages consumers and never markets to them via posts, combined with specific sidebar ad targeting using the power tools can get a lot better results than emailing to a list. At least for products... can't say the results would be the same with a service or internet marketing product, but for selling physical goods doing it this way is beating list-based marketing hands down.
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    I laughed when I read that article. It shows an advertiser who is obviously not good at social media marketing trying FB ads for the first time and he expects it to work right away.

    If it was like that for anything in business, there wouldn't be so many struggling newbies.

    Facebook ads are great for small businesses. I have multiple clients that pay me 5 figures a month for these services. They wouldn't be doing that for long if it didn't work.

    It's more than just figuring out how to get likes though... You have to know how to treat social media traffic for success as well.

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  • Profile picture of the author FirstSocialApps
    That article is more about promoting posts. Which incidentally is CAN be a bad idea, for example if your promoting a post to 'everyone on Facebook' then you are going to be paying a much higher CPM than you would if you were just promoting a custom tab as a Facebook ad and you loose the laser targeting.

    As for Facebook in general. They are actually one of the lowest cost venues your going to find anywhere. $0.12 CPM for a targeted ad is great by any standard. Sure the CTR of a Facebook ad is a little low, but with such a low CPM your going to end up with a deceltly low CPC provided you have a ad that isnt total trash.

    If your having trouble with your ads, then you need to look at the following.
    1) Your ad content
    2) Your targeted viewers.

    Also you need to have a specific marketing plan, what do you want to accomplish with the ads, who is your targeted market, what actions do you want to happen. You would be surprised how many people just throw up some random ad to there fanpage and then when it doesnt work they start ranting .. oh Facebook ads dont work ..
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