by newxxx
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not on facebook yet

60+++++++++++++ years old

my question is,

are "likes" of any value, or is it better to have "fans" of "followers" or whatever the correct term is
#fans #likes
  • Profile picture of the author johnbrown12
    Well it depends on you whether you wants to sell something on FB ,so you might want people to follow you for marketing or second thing you may want to write something daily and wants people to read your posts and wants them to continuously subscribe and give some comments about your posts
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    • Profile picture of the author nefirious
      It just all depends what your Facebook page is about. If you are selling something then I'd say you need more fans than Likes. With more Fans you can keep updating your customers about new products whereas Likes will get you some temporary mileage, but won't last for long unless you keep boosting your post. I'd say do a one time investment and get more Fans to your page.
      I have started a new concept whereby I put two products side by side for a vote battle and get likes for a Facebook page. Anyone who clicks like, automatically ends up liking the page.
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  • Profile picture of the author newxxx
    thank you !!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    For brands facebook is a paradise, you can build good relations with your fans through fanpages, it builds trust with them when you share about your brand.
    Facebook ads and post promote are great in getting more people to like your page.
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  • Profile picture of the author elgerente
    If by any chance by likes you meant likes shown on a Facebook like button which is put on your website and connected to the website's URL, I'd stick to the likes for a start. I myself am someone who offers Facebook likes for websites on Fiverr for 11 months and from what I can say about the likes themselves is that they produce the following 2 positive effects: (a 3rd one would be the social-signals effect, but I wouldn't rely on that, trust me)
    (1) Increased credibility in the eyes of your website's visitors and/or potential customers; And that most certainly would mean a huge boost in sales (if any products/services offered, of course);
    (2) A boost for the "natural flow", the naturally made journey of your website's URL via the Real people's FB news feeds because people usually tend to click on a like button Only if there's already some sufficiently big number shown on the like button.
    (3) There are more advantages depending on the given situation and your point of view i.e. the goal you're trying to achieve.

    Most people are just unaware that the likes (i.e. the number shown on the like button) can be easily faked and in terms of creating a profit - that's something you should definitively use as an advantage

    Of course, the above also applies for the buttons from the other social media websites like number of tweets, pins, g+1s, etc.

    ...and once you achieve a decent amount of sales, it is time to create your Facebook page and your visitors will have the chance to become fans of that FB page and in that way "subscribe" to anything you might want to say, share and most importantly, offer
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    • Profile picture of the author nefirious
      Originally Posted by elgerente View Post

      If by any chance by likes you meant likes shown on a Facebook like button which is put on your website and connected to the website's URL, I'd stick to the likes for a start. I myself am someone who offers Facebook likes for websites on Fiverr for 11 months and from what I can say about the likes themselves is that they produce the following 2 positive effects: (a 3rd one would be the social-signals effect, but I wouldn't rely on that, trust me)
      (1) Increased credibility in the eyes of your website's visitors and/or potential customers; And that most certainly would mean a huge boost in sales (if any products/services offered, of course);
      (2) A boost for the "natural flow", the naturally made journey of your website's URL via the Real people's FB news feeds because people usually tend to click on a like button Only if there's already some sufficiently big number shown on the like button.
      (3) There are more advantages depending on the given situation and your point of view i.e. the goal you're trying to achieve.

      Most people are just unaware that the likes (i.e. the number shown on the like button) can be easily faked and in terms of creating a profit - that's something you should definitively use as an advantage

      Of course, the above also applies for the buttons from the other social media websites like number of tweets, pins, g+1s, etc.

      ...and once you achieve a decent amount of sales, it is time to create your Facebook page and your visitors will have the chance to become fans of that FB page and in that way "subscribe" to anything you might want to say, share and most importantly, offer
      Well, the whole point is getting those first few likes in order to get more. There's a lot of competition out there amongst people who offer services such as yours. I encountered one such service, as I myself wanted to experiment them. I wasn't surprised when I wet through the profiles, hardly any of them were functioning, there were all fakes, no interaction, no feedback, no comments. I myself have offered such service before so I was curious as to how one can charge such small sum and offer so many fans. But I have gone a step over this and devised a unique technique and that is through one of my websites that offers "Likes", real ones. But I do not claim of getting 1,000 fans for such an such amount, my website is totally free. I just want to increase my traffic, then I might think of charging people. ; )
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      • Profile picture of the author elgerente
        Originally Posted by nefirious View Post

        I wasn't surprised when I wet through the profiles, hardly any of them were functioning, there were all fakes, no interaction, no feedback, no comments.
        If I'm not mistaken, it seems you're mixing 2 completely different things One thing is likes for websites and another thing is likes/fans for a Facebook page. Unless you checked the profiles 2-3 years ago, when it was still possible to check who clicked on the like button via the private admin page, you can not do that anymore for some time now
        And of course there's no interaction at all, for an example - I create all the likes by myself and my clients know that. But because of the reasons I wrote, it is the very number shown on a like button (no matter whether those are fake or not, the potential customers can't know that) that will boost the start-up of the Real interaction.

        And by any means, it is understandable that the good old promotion can not be replaced by anything else. But when you do try to promote some website of yours, wouldn't you want to have a "prepared" website before the first visits come ? ...and in that way ensure that your website will leave a good impression in front of your first visitors because: "hey, 7.4K people can't be wrong, it's obvious that this website offers some good quality !".

        It's like a girl that will go on a night-out, she always puts some make-up first before she allows the guys to see her ...unless she's Adriana Lima, but I honestly doubt newxxx has such a good website
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        • Profile picture of the author newxxx
          Originally Posted by elgerente View Post

          but I honestly doubt newxxx has such a good website
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          you're absolutely right ... i have a crummy little website .... all i know is html 101 from ages ago

          i'm not on FB or Twitter or Pint yet, but i will be soon

          thank you all for the helpful comments!!

          now if only someone will sell me that service that i want to buy, but he won't
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          • Profile picture of the author elgerente
            Originally Posted by newxxx View Post

            you're absolutely right ... i have a crummy little website .... all i know is html 101 from ages ago

            thank you all for the comments
            If you're 60+ years old and still eager to learn something new, hats down to you You have the most basic knowledge in coding ? Maybe 60% of the people here don't have even that.
            If you have (or intend to put) a like button on your website which is connected to the same URL, I'd be glad to increase the number shown on that like button by few thousands - and of course, for Free.
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        • Profile picture of the author nefirious
          Originally Posted by elgerente View Post

          If I'm not mistaken, it seems you're mixing 2 completely different things One thing is likes for websites and another thing is likes/fans for a Facebook page. Unless you checked the profiles 2-3 years ago, when it was still possible to check who clicked on the like button via the private admin page, you can not do that anymore for some time now
          And of course there's no interaction at all, for an example - I create all the likes by myself and my clients know that. But because of the reasons I wrote, it is the very number shown on a like button (no matter whether those are fake or not, the potential customers can't know that) that will boost the start-up of the Real interaction.

          And by any means, it is understandable that the good old promotion can not be replaced by anything else. But when you do try to promote some website of yours, wouldn't you want to have a "prepared" website before the first visits come ? ...and in that way ensure that your website will leave a good impression in front of your first visitors because: "hey, 7.4K people can't be wrong, it's obvious that this website offers some good quality !".

          It's like a girl that will go on a night-out, she always puts some make-up first before she allows the guys to see her ...unless she's Adriana Lima, but I honestly doubt newxxx has such a good website
          You can still view who LIKED your page via notifications. You get notification saying so and so liked your page. But yes, there is no option to check who all LIKED/Followed your FB fan page.
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    Something to keep in mind is that depending on how your using the words a 'like' and a 'fan' may be the same thing. For example when you visit a fan page and you see the number of fans that page has that is actually the number of people who have 'liked' the page. These people are also sometimes called 'followers'. Keep that in mind. When you are referencing a fan page the words 'likes', 'fans', and 'followers' are often synonymous.

    Now this is the part where it gets confusing. Just about everything on Facebook can be liked. For example a status update on your fan page can be independently liked. So someone could 'like' a post on your fan page without liking the page itself. In that case these people would not be 'fans' or 'followers' since they have not liked the page, they have only liked the post on the page.
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    • Profile picture of the author chg
      Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

      Something to keep in mind is that depending on how your using the words a 'like' and a 'fan' may be the same thing. For example when you visit a fan page and you see the number of fans that page has that is actually the number of people who have 'liked' the page. These people are also sometimes called 'followers'. Keep that in mind. When you are referencing a fan page the words 'likes', 'fans', and 'followers' are often synonymous.

      Now this is the part where it gets confusing. Just about everything on Facebook can be liked. For example a status update on your fan page can be independently liked. So someone could 'like' a post on your fan page without liking the page itself. In that case these people would not be 'fans' or 'followers' since they have not liked the page, they have only liked the post on the page.
      Very true. Always aim for people to "like" or subscribe to your page...that way they can "like" anything that you post or are tagged in.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lokahi
      Originally Posted by brutecky View Post


      Now this is the part where it gets confusing. Just about everything on Facebook can be liked. For example a status update on your fan page can be independently liked. So someone could 'like' a post on your fan page without liking the page itself. In that case these people would not be 'fans' or 'followers' since they have not liked the page, they have only liked the post on the page.
      Valid point. And, thank you for the clarification. Though even likes on a single post will benefit the page owner.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexGeorge
    Likes really aren't everything when it comes to facebook pages. Some owners of pages with less than 2000 likes make more than owners with pages that have 50,000 likes! Some people you just can't monetize to, others you can. Conversion rates and engagement generally varies depending on the content you post and the niche the page is in.
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    • Profile picture of the author brutecky
      Originally Posted by AlexGeorge View Post

      Likes really aren't everything when it comes to facebook pages. Some owners of pages with less than 2000 likes make more than owners with pages that have 50,000 likes! Some people you just can't monetize to, others you can. Conversion rates and engagement generally varies depending on the content you post and the niche the page is in.

      I agree likes are not that important anymore. Especially now that FB jacked the edge rank algorithm. I use my page to collect emails. For example one of my pages only has 102 likes right now but I have collected over 800 emails with custom tabs on it. The emails are much more valuable than the likes anyway. Im not into paying Facebook every time I want to send a message to every one of them.
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      • Profile picture of the author PBMax
        Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

        I agree likes are not that important anymore. Especially now that FB jacked the edge rank algorithm. I use my page to collect emails. For example one of my pages only has 102 likes right now but I have collected over 800 emails with custom tabs on it. The emails are much more valuable than the likes anyway. Im not into paying Facebook every time I want to send a message to every one of them.
        First off, I want to apologize for being an ass month's back, you clearly know what you're talking about. I see you dropping the FB wisdom on here, so I wanted to ask something.

        I know how to add tabs, custom develop tabs, etc, but I've yet to understand how to harvest emails. Are you using a tab for that, or straight up asking people?
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      • Profile picture of the author newxxx
        Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

        Im not into paying Facebook every time I want to send a message to every one of them.

        i'm not on FB yet, but will be soon when my site is finished

        now that i am olde and retired and physically disabled, i have lots of spare time on my hands

        so, i did not know that FB charges to send messages

        what are their fees ???
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        • Profile picture of the author ReferralCandy
          Originally Posted by newxxx View Post

          i'm not on FB yet, but will be soon when my site is finished

          now that i am olde and retired and physically disabled, i have lots of spare time on my hands

          so, i did not know that FB charges to send messages

          what are their fees ???
          If you're messaging somebody privately with your personal account, it's free. Same goes for messaging an individual privately from your FB page, but only the followers are allowed to initiate that (i.e., the equivalent of a customer coming up to a counter in a shop to chat with you).

          Actually, I can't think of why anyone would want to privately message all their fans at one go--kinda defeats the purpose of a private message, plus it always comes across as spammy. If you need to broadcast something, like a time-limited 20% off coupon code for example, a status update or an email will usually do the trick.
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      • Profile picture of the author JessZ07
        Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

        I agree likes are not that important anymore. Especially now that FB jacked the edge rank algorithm. I use my page to collect emails. For example one of my pages only has 102 likes right now but I have collected over 800 emails with custom tabs on it. The emails are much more valuable than the likes anyway. Im not into paying Facebook every time I want to send a message to every one of them.
        I agree with this! You can't sell on social, people aren't there to be sold to. You can, however, influence them... edge rank has made interaction more important than actual likes on a page (ex. a 'like' on a comment by someone who is not necessarily a follower)
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    How I get likes to my fan page ? Must I pay for it? (fb ads?-how do that?)
    How I build a fan page that convert with physical products?
    How I find a fb niche?

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author umughal147
    You should have more fans or followers, but Facebook only sends your updates to only 10 percent people according to its new policy. If you want to send your updates to all your page fans, you have to move towards the paid plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    aha, fb allows only 10% to the people I will invite by her new rules,when I will more fb likes, I must pay fb ads.
    Ok,this is not clever no, I call this; extortion.Fb makes enough money to steal our personaly data.

    No,fb is not for me a way to make money,I try on my way with squidoo and build affiliate sites.


    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author Taryn Barnes
    Likes, Fans, Followers are very important on social networks because it creates a audience around a specific brand or product. Facebook and Twitter is the most common websites being used by millions of people today...After all, what are social networks without users!! Eg: when updating a status, photo or video and not getting any likes,shares,comments would not be social engagement.
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  • Profile picture of the author tdanz
    There are too many shiny objects on the internet..facebook may just be one of those for you..focus in something that brings results..if you know any other aspect of online marketing, dont get into FB.
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  • Profile picture of the author moonjun
    Originally Posted by newxxx View Post

    not on facebook yet

    60+++++++++++++ years old

    my question is,

    are "likes" of any value, or is it better to have "fans" of "followers" or whatever the correct term is
    Fans for fanpages are good, but note that only 20% of your fans will see whatever you post. The better way is to collect email, and build your list, and then follow ups on relationship building, and then sell them stuff.

    Don't waste your time and money with buy fakes fanpage "likes". These people won't do you anything in term of sales or whatever.

    Create a facebook account and explore a little first.
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