Aleternative for facebook now that it is dead?

11 years ago

You should not read too deep into all these articles. The guy who wrote is journalist, so it means he doesn't have a clue. He just dug info from a press release about press release. On an average day I can spend $2.0 to kick my engagement up to 20% of number of Likes on my fan page. If you are in a market where people are really passionate about topic, engagement is last of your problems.

It is very important to understand that job of journalist is to entertain you. Passing useful business information is impossible for them, because they simply don't have access to it.

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BMartin1776

11 years ago

Originally Posted by junkdna

You should not read too deep into all these articles. The guy who wrote is journalist, so it means he doesn't have a clue. He just dug info from a press release about press release. On an average day I can spend $2.0 to kick my engagement up to 20% of number of Likes on my fan page. If you are in a market where people are really passionate about topic, engagement is last of your problems.

It is very important to understand that job of journalist is to entertain you. Passing useful business information is impossible for them, because they simply don't have access to it.

key word there you used is "spend"... thats what FB wants from ppl in order for their content to be seen. You also shouldnt assume that I dont know what is going on taking the very word of an article. I used them to support what I know. for me to come on here and say something ppl will think "ahhh he is full of it its just him" So I use articles to support what Im saying. I mean do I need to post actual screen shots from stats when pages got great reach to now which is nothing?

I have witnessed the drop in reach first hand. Nothing ppl are talking about is a made up. I was an admin on a page that had incredible reach its all gone now under fb's new policies. I have communicated with page owners who had huge reach where they easily avg 500-1000 shares that now get double to single digit shares. The content hasnt changed nor their message fb has more or less shutdown the little guy. They have also shutdown the big guy.... from similar posts ive done on this

"This is Justin Biebers current stats "63,851,581 likes · 874,341 talking about this"; I'm using his page, and I don't care if you like him or not, as an example to show it doesn't matter who you are that fb is blocking EVERYONES content from reaching their fans! His page is just shy of 64 MILLION followers but only 874K are talking about his page. That means only 1.3% of his followers are engaged... maybe(some are sharing, posts have been "seen" and some comments here and there).
Lady Gaga: 63,593,028 likes · 513,738 talking about this
Rihanna: 86,036,216 likes · 424,788 " " "
Barack Obama: 39,356,001 likes · 533,581 " " "
Red Bull: 43,070,447 likes · 383,015 " " "
Coca-Cola: 80,173,020 likes · 707,189 " " "
Whether you have 5000 followers to 86million the site is blocking page owners content like us to high profile celebrities from getting out."

This isnt make believe its real... so how about a solution now as to where someone like myslef with no income can go to get traffic since fb is now dead?

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junkdna

11 years ago

All I was saying, spend a very little, maybe 1-5% of what you earn and you'll get 20% reach. I've done it myself and had a screenshot to prove ;-)

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BMartin1776

11 years ago

Originally Posted by junkdna

All I was saying, spend a very little, maybe 1-5% of what you earn and you'll get 20% reach. I've done it myself and had a screenshot to prove ;-)

no traffic = no income to pay for ads

even if I wanted to which I wont b/c I REFUSE TO FUND Mark Zuckerbergs radical leftist agenda which starts with helping ram through illegal alien amnesty!

my site is completely dead now

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carcin0genic 11 years ago

FB isn't dead. Not by any means. I still pull in daily leads form there and then am able to market to them privately.

What FB is doing is making it harder for spammers who simply run around with their hand out hoping for a bite to succeed. Rightfully so. FB is a social media platform. SOCIAL not impersonal, sneaky, or spammy.

Maybe find ways to work within their new guidelines because FB is still one of the biggest traffic sources online.
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NetJunkie913

11 years ago

Originally Posted by BMartin1776

no traffic = no income to pay for ads

even if I wanted to which I wont b/c I REFUSE TO FUND Mark Zuckerbergs radical leftist agenda which starts with helping ram through illegal alien amnesty!

my site is completely dead now

I'm done listening to you now. Pay a little for the traffic and quit crying.

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hugo112

11 years ago

Originally Posted by BMartin1776

no traffic = no income to pay for ads

even if I wanted to which I wont b/c I REFUSE TO FUND Mark Zuckerbergs radical leftist agenda which starts with helping ram through illegal alien amnesty!

my site is completely dead now

So basically spending a few $$ a day will ruin your business? That's one hell of a business you had here. Like most of us here, i'm pretty sure you made alot of money from Mark's FREE platform for a few years so please.. PLEASE !! Don't be greedy...

Pay the man a few bucks a day and get your business on track again. If you can't spend a few $$ on advertising then you sure don't deserve to have an online business

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AdamPayne

11 years ago

I'm still getting results with FB Ads to my page. As long as ROI is ok the rest matters not, at least to me.

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lukeblower

11 years ago

Could be that you just don't enjoy Facebook, it's not everyone's cup to tea. Certainly I've been having success with it.

There's ways to leverage pretty much every social media platform so just find one that resonates with you and go with that.

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big tymer

11 years ago

people are getting tired of fb. besides there are other social media out there, instagram and pinterest, that are keeping people occupied and as a result spend less time on fb.

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sarah23

11 years ago

I agree reach has gon down and will probably go down more but with 1 billion users around the globe, it is not dead and it doesn't seems to be dead in the nearest future.

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EelKat

11 years ago

Perhaps you are not using FB in a way that makes folks want to follow? I use my FB account for gaming mostly, so I'm not sending out a lot of links or ads or anything that folks would consider "spam". Of course, if you don't like getting LOTS of daily game requests than you don't want to be on my friend list because I'm a heavy FB gamer...but so are most of my readers, thus so are most of my FB friends, so it's all good, AND I get to level up on FB games super fast just because of having so many friends on FB who are also gamers.

Only time I post a link is when I publish a new book, when a book goes on sale/discount/free, or when I create a new page for my website. I post at most 4 links a month, doing that. Everything else I share is inspirational memes, cat pictures with happy quotes, stuff like that, you know, things people like to like and share...nothing promotional at all.

I maxed out at the 5k friend limit ages ago. Most all of them are fans of my books, who just did their own searching to track down my account and send me a request. I've never sent a request to anyone, never needed to.

I think a lot can be said for a LACK of promoting yourself. People like cat pictures, they like reposting quotes, they don't like being bogged down with promotional links. I've never needed to use a single FB ad. Ever. Not one. It works for me.

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Missouri31 11 years ago

Facebook is not dead.

Here are the reach for the last few posts of mine on a page with approx 2,400 "likes".

Not what it used to be, but still pretty good (imo).
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globalexperts

11 years ago

Originally Posted by BMartin1776

Don't say it isnt dead when they make it clear they are cutting reach down to 1% facebook is dead,over,finite it makes no sense to have followers now if you have to pay to have your content in their feed!

Facebook Is Reportedly About To Slash Your Page’s Organic Reach Even More | WebProNews

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Does anyone have any suggestion what one can do to generate traffic? I have twitter and google plus they arent growing. i have pop up on my site to join said pages... I need 50K visitors a day and am out of ideas on how to get them... I am broke just as my adsense rev was going up on fb they pulled the plug on reach... please help

If you're still running page like campaigns to build your audience, then you are doing it wrong! You are right that Facebook decreased the organic reach of posts to 1% of your fans. So the best way to use Facebook now is to boost your posts or run post engagement campaigns. It still works for me with this method!

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Rus Sells

11 years ago

It never ceases to amaze me how much ENTITLEMENT attitude there is among people these days.

Facebook is a privately owned business, if they want to reduce fan engagement that's totally their prerogative.

Their motive is THEIR motive, plain and simple and while their users may not like the change it's WASTED energy crying, whining, and complaining about it.

Put the big boy pants people on and learn to leverage assets YOU control to earn an income.

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AdamPayne

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Rus Sells

It never ceases to amaze me how much ENTITLEMENT attitude there is among people these days.

Facebook is a privately owned business, if they want to reduce fan engagement that's totally their prerogative.

Their motive is THEIR motive, plain and simple and while their users may not like the change it's WASTED energy crying, whining, and complaining about it.

Put the big boy pants people on and learn to leverage assets YOU control to earn an income.

I couldn't agree more with this. Well said.

It may be upsetting and annoying, so we have to change with them.

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GregBrooks

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Rus Sells

It never ceases to amaze me how much ENTITLEMENT attitude there is among people these days.

Facebook is a privately owned business, if they want to reduce fan engagement that's totally their prerogative.

Their motive is THEIR motive, plain and simple and while their users may not like the change it's WASTED energy crying, whining, and complaining about it.

Put the big boy pants people on and learn to leverage assets YOU control to earn an income.

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Keep in mind that these changes are good. Whenever something becomes harder, fewer people share in the reward. You can choose what to do with that.

To address the original question, it really depends on what you are looking to promote. Twitter is often underrated as far as the specificity of reaching your audience. You can get pretty granular with who sees your advertisements, and you can still decide between CPC vs. favorites/RTs, etc.

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RickCopy

11 years ago

ive never understood this hatred of facebook's algo change... its FREE traffic. you're not entitled to it and if FB decides they're going to change the way to get free traffic from them then you're going to need to adapt, pay for results (if you dont want to put in the work to get the same results for free) or stop relying on facebook as your single traffic source.

Having just 1 source of traffic is an absolutely terrible business plan.

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TheFlyingDutchman

11 years ago

Paying a little and getting the reach seems fair.

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LABEShops

11 years ago

I agree with others that fb is not dead, though also agree their 1% reach algorithm sucks. If someone likes a page, they should see everything from that page because that is *why* they liked it.

On the other hand, it is still useful for marketing and engagement though you have to try harder to come up with posts your fans will like and share. That will increase your reach without having to pay for fb ads (which I only ever did once. It boosted that page's likes, but NOT it's engagement, so I haven't bothered again).

As to alternatives to fb, it depends entirely on your site, your product, and your target audience.

FB these days has an older demographic (those who have used it since back in the day are still using it, just getting older) and less teens/young adults. I think FB is easier for older users to understand and use.

Teens and young adults are using pinterest, twitter, snapchat, tumblr and instagram more. If your product is visual, pinterest, tumblr and instagram are pretty easy to market thru. Twitter is great for announcements like sales, new products, etc. G+ is great for longer articles and reaches a lot of the "geek" or tech demographic.

Info products are going to be harder to market on any social network, but can be done if you provide good, interesting information and don't try to sell someone all the time. G+ seems to have more info seekers than other networks imo so I would go with it and twitter primarily for info as well as blogging of course.

My point is, you have to know your market first and then figure out what social networks they are using. Perhaps they are using smaller ones like gaiaonline or other niche networks or forums more than the more mainstream ones. You won't know unless you do the research.

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PapaPizza

11 years ago

I've had just OK success with FB ads, though I wouldn't say it's dead. Saying it gets a lot of traffic still, is an understatement.

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JohnCosmos

11 years ago

Originally Posted by BMartin1776

I have twitter and google plus they arent growing. i have pop up on my site to join said pages...

Why not? Twitter is the easiest to grow and Google Plus is worth growing for search impact alone (and not difficult to grow).

You are either missing content, engagement, or both. Either one will get you growth.

Oh- I see. You are pushing FROM your site, hoping to grow them that way?
Why don't you grow twitter from twitter and push that to your site? What are you doing to engage and grow your profiles, get mentions from influencers, etc?

FB isn't completely dead, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say if your methods are not effective on twitter which is much easier, then your posts are going be inadequate for FB. Low engagement posts may have deteroriated your account quality already, but it's possible to get some bump with better content. I understand not wanting to pay for ads, but I've had good success targeting low cost likes that are highly relevant- then they are most receptive to the posts, resulting in more comments and shares and a higher future % displayed.

If you are just asking which other social profiles are worth the effort: they all are for different reasons. G+ has communities, twitter gets a lot of interaction fairly easily, certain people love Pinterest and it's easy.

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jessiem

11 years ago

I don't think FB is dead. I'm still getting leads and traffic from the site.
I wonder why people have speculations that FB is going down already, not in my case though...everything on my end is running just fine.

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duckJAI

11 years ago

My lowest total reach on my 7k FB page is about 10%.

The highest is 70% (not boosted, pure organic) total reach of 7k.

FB isn't dead....maybe for old useless pages?

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JackCronfield

11 years ago

Anyone want to share how they make money with Facebook now that reach is almost 0 ? I've read that quite a few warriors are bragging about their success with FB even now. Would you mind getting back to me in a private - would be interested to learn about your tricks.

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Terez

11 years ago

I think is whole argument is pointless engagement is the key. We as marketers should stop trying to be like commercials that make people look at them, and be like your favorite tv show you don't want to miss.

Give them a reason to come back and engage with your page. Use contests, recognition, and publicisize your fans and not be so worried about the other way around.

Someone used the example of celebrity reach as an example, most of those pages suck when it comes to fan engagement.

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BMartin1776

11 years ago

if they arent seeing the content b/c fb is blocking it how can anything go viral? how can there be any engagement if no one see the content!? what sense is ther eto build followers if 1% or less will see the posts???

again I ask what are the alternatives to fb? those claiming success what are you doing that is bypassing the algorithms... pls dont say your posting memes either. memes are as pointless, yes they are the only things getting shares but it does nothing for other content on the pages. ive seen ppl brag who have high share count on memes but then shares on all other content is close to zero. The logic they drive/bring traffic is false.

What can one do to get ppl to come directly to the page other than a PSA that if followers dont they wont get content in their feed per fb policies?

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NewParadigm

11 years ago

FB monetizing more is going to push users to an open source alternative. Once it gets going, it will happen fast. Just like friendster and myspace. The open source alternative will have network import application so you wouldn't have to rebuilt all your connections. poooooof.

Small biz is already bypassing the fan page limitations by using personal accounts. Just post your fan page then share it w/ personal account. Most won't have more than 5,000 limit anyway.

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BMartin1776 11 years ago

Huh? you mean on my fan page post a link to my personal page?! How is that any better if followers arent seeing posts to begin with? Its just another link post that less than 1% will see
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Dabook

11 years ago

I really love pintrest..and facebook is not dead it is just evolving!

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JCorp

11 years ago

Dead? Far from it. Thriving? Absolutey... if you can zig and zag when needed, get creative, and figure out strategies that'll work for you.

If you've got a real business, with real products/services (even if it's affiliate offers) then it's time to get into some paid stuff and make it work. That's how you scale a business up properly... and QUICKLY.

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steveka 11 years ago

There is no alternative. That's why they are doing it. If you want you can go ahead and create a "promote a page post" campaign, then more fans will see your posts.

Yes, it is not fair and greedy, but it is what it is. You either take it or leave it. There's no point in debating whether it is right or wrong. It is their platform and they wont ask you what to do with it.

Google changed things a few years back, banning one page landing pages and direct linking. A lot of money campaigns crashed overnight. People cried, whined just like you. What happened? What changed? Nothing.

So live with it or just get a job and be done with it. Complaining about things you don't have control is just a waste of time.
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Aleternative for facebook now that it is dead?

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