Would you support Warrior Forum if SIGNATURES were turned off?

9 years ago

I would give my credits to thanks option. But, 100 thanks are too much for a newbie. Around 20-25? that's fair enough as I believe. And, thanks on "Off Topic" forum shouldn't be counted.

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@tjr

9 years ago

Option number six, but I'm a stickler.

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itomedia

9 years ago

I think option 2 is a good choice. People with 100 posts have a good contribute to WF. For supporting and helping other people he got possibility to have a signature. I don't have 100 posts but I support this.

100 Thanks are to much in my opinion.

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Cali16 9 years ago

Originally Posted by itomedia

I think option 2 is a good choice. People with 100 posts have a good contribute to WF.

Not always. Anytime you use post count as a way to gain some sort of forum privilege, you get a lot of people who will quickly post a lot of useless one- or two-liners, which just clutters the forum.

Post count often has nothing to do with how much value someone has contributed to the forum. One excellent post can far outweigh the value of 100 nonsense posts.
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Robert Puddy

9 years ago

Originally Posted by itomedia

I think option 2 is a good choice. People with 100 posts have a good contribute to WF. For supporting and helping other people he got possibility to have a signature. I don't have 100 posts but I support this.

100 Thanks are to much in my opinion.

Or you get someone quickly doing a 100 one liners to get the sig file privilege. you just made the situation worse

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Kay King 9 years ago

Sorry - but this thread is crazy. If you VISIT some signatures - you often get a better picture of who the person is and whether you should listen to their advice or not. Without signatures to check out - how could you tell if the self appointed 'expert' is real or not?

WE don't make the rules here. It's one thing to fuss a bit or clear the air but too often that leads to members thinking they can make demands.

I click on signatures for two reasons:

1. Someone posts some good advice, seems knowledgable and likeable. I click on their sig to see what else they have to offer.

2. Someone posts nonsense or seems to be self promoting in their posts. I click on the sig to see what's going on. That is often quite revealing.

Examples: a person offering an 'expert level service' who has a sig that leads (eventually) to a blog where all the posts are about the the WF. Hmmmm.

We've always had members "holding forth" as experts here who had blogs that were nothing more than rehashed info posted on this forum day after day. Big fish/small pond stuff.

A person claiming success with a signature that leads to "watch as I learn how to make money" or something equally lame.

Instead of fussing about people having signatures - we should be talking about how to follow the links to figure out whether that person is worth listening to.

Yes, we talk about the old times - that's normal. But this is a money making venture for Freelancer. That means the traffic and new members need to keep flowing. This is not a community now where everyone looks out for everyone else. It's a classified ad space where people are pushing their sites, their products and their services to everyone else here.
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MrFume

9 years ago

I think a combo of 2/3 - however it would not really worry me if sigs were turned off, the contribution to my businesses is not great from the signature traffic, I doubt it is significant for any of them really.

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writeaway

9 years ago

Originally Posted by MrFume

I think a combo of 2/3 - however it would not really worry me if sigs were turned off, the contribution to my businesses is not great from the signature traffic, I doubt it is significant for any of them really.

Interestingly enough, that combo you mentioned is how DP is doing it. Thanks to LIKE SWAPPING, it hasn't really stopped the problem.

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FreedomBlogger

9 years ago

I think option number 6 would help keep quality members on this forum.

I would still come by to help out other marketers and learn some new things as well. There is a lot of great value here - regardless of the signature feature. But it is a nice incentive to become even more active here.

So far, this is one of the best Internet Marketing Forums I have seen online. The way things are, are good. But, of course, there is always room for improvement - to benefit both, the user and the WF owners!

Great topic, by the way!! ...

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Alaister

9 years ago

Thank you for discussing this and we appreciate the community talking about ways to improve the forum.

We're listening and taking on board what everyone is saying.

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yukon

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Alaister

Thank you for discussing this and we appreciate the community talking about ways to improve the forum.

We're listening and taking on board what everyone is saying.

Why does it take a 2nd forum thread on the subject?

Seriously, what does a 2nd thread do that the 1st thread isn't doing? Are we supposed to keep jumping around the forum saying the same things?

You should already know what the problems are, everyone else knows.

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The Niche Man

9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Why does it take a 2nd forum thread on the subject?

Seriously, what does a 2nd thread do that the 1st thread isn't doing? Are we supposed to keep jumping around the forum saying the same things?

You should already know what the problems are, everyone else knows.

Agree or disagree one thing about these 2 threads it's getting strong and swift participation from people who haven't been posting here for awhile. Plus, sometimes it takes several ways of saying somethings before it gets through.

Besides right now I'd rather see these types of threads than the flood of "What would you do if you're desperate and down to your last ... Insert $ Amount Here" threads we've had lately. Wouldn't you?

I applaud the mod for not burying the 2 threads in the offline section, when he easily could have. If enough people read them and take note, maybe things will change automatically (without bringing down the hammer on everyone). Maybe!

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lgibbon Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Why does it take a 2nd forum thread on the subject?

There are 3 actually.
Someone else felt they were missing out on all the attention
and bumped one of their old ones on the subject.
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Lance K

9 years ago

#7

I really don't think people post just to get their signature seen near as often as some people think. If a person's comments are on point for the thread and they're trying to add value to the discussion, I really don't care if their sig file offer happens to match perfectly what the OP is looking for.

Sure there are a few obvious cases. But if they're really that out of line, just report them and let the mods decide. That's their job.

No need to throw the baby out with the bath water. Let the responsible marketers market their goods and services. Not a high price to pay for good user generated content. A forum like this needs certain tradeoffs in order to thrive long term.

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salegurus

9 years ago

You forgot to add a POLL...
Anyway #1

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CDarklock

9 years ago

Originally Posted by writeaway

The problem:
People posting replies/discussions just to get sig views

Why is this a problem?

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writeaway 9 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Why is this a problem?

See the discussion that spawned TURNING OFF SIGS as a 'solution' HERE
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The Niche Man

9 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Why is this a problem?

Not a fair trade-off. (Unwritten Forum Rule: They allow sig for quality post/thread participation).

Lowers over-all quality of forum.

Discourages members who like to contribute quality content from participation.

Dilutes quality threads (pushes them off page sooner).

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CDarklock

9 years ago

Originally Posted by The Niche Man

Not a fair trade-off. (Unwritten Forum Rule: They allow sig for quality post/thread participation).
Lowers over-all quality of forum.
Discourages members who like to contribute quality content from participation.
Dilutes quality threads (pushes them off page sooner).

None of that makes any sense, though.

I understand stupid people posting dumb crap creates the three latter problems, but how does taking their signatures away make them or their posts any better?

I also don't understand the idea of it being "fair." What's unfair about stupid people having signatures on their dumb crap?

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The Niche Man

9 years ago

Originally Posted by The Niche Man

1. Not a fair trade-off. (Unwritten Forum Rule: They allow sig for quality post/thread participation).
2. Lowers over-all quality of forum.
3. Discourages members who like to contribute quality content from participation.
4. Dilutes quality threads (pushes them off page sooner).

Originally Posted by CDarklock

None of that makes any sense, though.

I understand stupid people posting dumb crap creates the three latter problems, but how does taking their signatures away make them or their posts any better?

I also don't understand the idea of it being "fair." What's unfair about stupid people having signatures on their dumb crap?

I think the basic premise of taking the signatures away gives spammers less incentive to post spam, dumb sh#t or post at all. Not that it will transform them into dynamic posters.
I just think people who post dumb Sh%t should be called on it closer by mods and members rather than cut out the sigs across the board.

The unfair part in my opinion comes from the fact that signatures are earned or allowed for those who contribute honest content. Not those who post spam. It just hasn't been enforced as vigorously as it should I.M.O. Taking away signatures was just offered as one possible solution to curb crappy/spam posters - by taking away their main incentive.

What's your thoughts or possible solutions on how to discourage the crappy/spam posters/

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CDarklock 9 years ago

Originally Posted by The Niche Man

What your thoughts or possible solutions on how to discourage the crappy/spam posters/

There are none. It's counterproductive.

Owing to the Dunning/Kruger effect, crappy/spam posters don't know they're making crappy/spam posts. They think their posts are just as good as everyone else's.

Owing to the impostor syndrome, quality posters are often convinced their posts are crappy/spam. They think when we talk about crappy/spam posts, we mean them.

So any deterrent you put in effect prevents more quality posts than it does crappy/spam posts.

And it's not worth it. What you want isn't to discourage crappy/spam posts, but to encourage quality posts. And you do that by replying to posts or clicking the thanks button.

If you see a crappy post, the best thing you can possibly do is nothing. Even reporting it is worse than doing nothing at all, because you take up the time of an admin or moderator who probably has better things to do. And whether a post is crappy is a judgment call.

Spam, yeah, report that. So it can be deleted and the user banned. That's a valid use of staff time. But "I think this post is low quality" never needs to pass your lips. Thank people whose posts are good. Reply if you have something to add. But if you just think the OP is a moron, click the back button and move on.
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JosephC

9 years ago

I vote for one. I would love it if signatures were turned off. I have made around $10,000 from the warrior forum all by networking and building relationships with smart people. That is what the warrior forum should be about. That is also where the real money is.

People can still put their website under their username, I have seen some people do that. I would prefer that to signatures.

The problem with two is that you are going to get a bunch of spammy and worthless post until someone reaches 100. I think that is what we all want to prevent here.

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