[ForumGuru]

Originally Posted by moss

Multiple Accounts
This would be a case by case scenario.

• If someone comes on and creates 30 new accounts we'll probably permanently ban them all.
• If an older member creates a single additional account and starts misusing it we'll probably ban the new account and give a warning to the user. If it happens again we'd probably ban both.
• If someone creates two accounts that both make fantastic contribution we'd probably overlook it. Maybe that person just has multiple personalities.

Market Place Rules

1. This still aims to be the single source of truth for rules. Yes, marketplace rules should be here. If you've got thoughts on marketplace specific rules that aren't here that should be please let me know. I'll go through today and migrate any that I find.

Hi Moss,

If you are allowing multiple accounts then you should place something in the Marketplace rules that specifically says --> Anyone that is caught using a second account to bump any listing with a BS positive review or any other BS posts will be banned. Both accounts (or more) will be banned, the thread(s) will be closed, and the buy buttons and contact information will be removed from the listing.

You should to cover this as well...

Members using a second account to post negative reviews on the competition's threads. In this case only the member using the second account should be banned, if he or she has an active listing on either account, close it.

I believe this may open a big can of worms that you don't need to open. You just can't allow one person to run around the marketplace section with multiple accounts "reviewing" his friends, his enemies, and his own listings.

Secondarily, if you have an account banned for a major marketplace violation you should never be allowed to place a listing here again.

Just a few examples of the many:

I have personally caught the multi-banned member Precious twice on here running fake reviews on his off-site listings in the reviews section. I also caught a shill or two of his as well, and I believe I may have busted his second or third marketplace account, maybe both. I've caught so many image pirates, software pirates and fraudulent members on here I have lost count.

I have busted the same member Eduardo something or other selling on here two more times after I had him banned the first time. A different member name and he was good to go. The guy was selling blackhat style tools. A few months later I exposed him selling a Warrior Forum email scraper off-site.

Paul Myers took it from me and tried to get something done with his email service and possibly the payment processor.

Point being, you need to be very stern with the multiple account BS that can go on in the marketplace and the review section.

If you are not acutely aware, soon you will have a bunch more WSO sellers that have a long list of bogus glowing reviews on their Marketplace threads. In-fact it would not surprise me to see member account craft masters go to work on their threads right away. Like the moment they know they can "legally" build a new persona with another account.

You should tread very carefully with such liberal multiple account rules, this is one decision that may be a step too far. Please consider adding something to strengthen the Marketplace from shills, and the multiple account thread bumping fraudulent review posts, if indeed you are going to allow multiple accounts.

One last thing, if multiple accounts are allowed, I suspect the Warrior Forum account selling marketplaces will have a few new special offers on aged Warrior Forum accounts sooner rather than later.

Once you get the marketplace rules migrated I'll have another look. Whenever you can get it, I will be looking forward to the clarification on the $1 marketplace minimum thing. Thanks again for taking our input.

Note: You may want to fix your change log date on what was formerly rule #1.



Cheers

-don

[moss]

ForumGuru, I've adjusted my reply to be far stricter. It came across far more lenient then intended.
Thanks for the heads up on that as well as the change log date.

ImportExport, your signature should now display. It's 3 lines still, could you make that 2 when you get a chance?

Thanks,

Moss

[ForumGuru]

@Moss

You may want to do something with the Warrior Forum Terms of Use guidelines They have some great information on what type of content that members can and can not provide, and some other good legal stuff. Specifically the Regarding the Content You Provide and Prohibited Activities sections.

WarriorForum - Terms of Use

Maybe excerpt some things, and possibly also provide a link to the ToC page as well. I have seen at least one old-timer complaining that plagiarism is not listed specifically in Section 2 of the new rules.

You should place something in there that says you can't post stolen content and probably PLR/RR articles too, and whatever else you think best.

There are many other good guidelines scattered throughout that page that may prompt a few more revisions/additions. They are a bit messy and may need some cleanup, but if you have not yet done so, they are well worth the look.

Cheers

-don

[Importexport]

Originally Posted by moss

ForumGuru, I've adjusted my reply to be far stricter. It came across far more lenient then intended.
Thanks for the heads up on that as well as the change log date.

ImportExport, your signature should now display. It's 3 lines still, could you make that 2 when you get a chance?

Thanks,

Moss

Thanks. I have changed my signature again and it is now appearing as 2 lines.

The problem stems from the fact that the preview showed 2 lines, and it only appears as 3 when it goes on my posts, with one word going onto line 3. This has happened whenever I make a change if I fill the two lines in the preview.

Walter

[Jill Carpenter]

Originally Posted by ForumGuru

It looks like the rules may not be completed yet, as Moss and Dan have not been back to comment on some of the great revision and other suggestions that have been made.

The fact that this thread is still open, and an active change log exists, should make it pretty clear.

If no more suggestions were wanted to be heard, someone would have closed this thread by now. I think we may still hear something from the powers that be on rule #1, either way, and some sort of reconsideration may be made on what type of sig links may or may not be allowed.

Who knows what else the admins and mods may want to institute or amend. They make that call, we can only submit suggestions.

The mods are acting on the sigs because people like me and others are reporting the violations when we run across them in the threads we are reading. It's called good old fashion member moderation.

Cheers

-don

It looks to be a nearly complete list to me. I'd think enough to warrant blasting out a site wide PM - and then just send a simple blast when the final chunks have gone in.

Jeeze, I just "happened" to come in here and see the 2 line rule.

[ForumGuru]

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

It looks to be a nearly complete list to me. I'd think enough to warrant blasting out a site wide PM - and then just send a simple blast when the final chunks have gone in.

Jeeze, I just "happened" to come in here and see the 2 line rule.

Hi Jill,

Almost anytime you can inform the members of new rules it is a good thing. That said, since I made that post you quoted, one of the biggest rules have been added (formerly rule #1), and some sig and member account and other clarification was given as well.

The main chunk we are still waiting on is the money maker, the WSO rules. I am also expecting a biggie or two may be added to Section 2 and maybe some others too.

While I suggested PMing the rules earlier on the thread, I'm thinking they should wait for the collation to be completed. Don't wan't to be accused of spamming PMs or creating any PM or Rules blindness.

Moss has already said we are going to discuss distribution after we have hashed the rules out on this reply.

Distribution of the New Rules

Now with regard to why this hasn't been pushed harder. This is exactly the discussion I wanted to have first. The people that care a lot about these rules (you guys) are here and discussing it. I think we're making beneficial changes and clarifying things where required. This means that when we do email out it'll be a more complete and polished set of rules. Finally, we'll tackle the distribution of the rules once we are all on a relatively common ground.

Cheers

-don

[Kurt]

There needs to be a rule about posts that are insults and negative comments about a person and meant merely to cause bad feelings. There's a few members here that are constantly involved in flame wars.

If a post is almost all about a person instead of a topic or issue, the post should be deleted and if enough of these types of posts are made from the same person, they should be banned.

"Trigger words" are a common concept in copywriting, and there are often posts directed at others that use trigger words in a fashion in which the only purpose of the post is inflammatory and to incite.

[Jill Carpenter]

I have a question.

How are income claims verified?

Rule #17: Income Claims & Guarantees

Sellers are not to make claims around income that has been made unless this income can be verified through Warrior Payments. Sellers are not permitted to make claims about or imply that income will result from purchasing a WSO.

This will be strictly enforced to protect the Warrior community.

This is applicable to the WSO Marketplace and all sub-forums.

How do I know that an offer has been verified?

For example, I am browsing now through the WSO's and either in a thread title or in the thread copy there is what I consider to be an income claim:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ted-seats.html

^^^^
This tells me I will make 5k a month. Not "possible to make up to 5k a month"

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...od-2016-a.html

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-48-hours.html

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...autopilot.html

Some of these it's all in the headlines.

Will there be a verified stamp of approval that these numbers have been confirmed?

Are people giving you access to their accounts to log into to see for yourself that the money they are saying has been made?

[Jill Carpenter]

Oh, I have one other question here.

If I stick a banner ad in my sig, I can link that to something else I might be promoting via an affiliate link, correct? Even if it is something that some might view as a "competing forum?"

Or lets say I have an offer for sale that happens to be on a different marketing forum - can I link to that page with my sig banner?

Just want to be clear on this.

[Khemosabi]

@moss

Is there anything you can do about adding a "where to post". Seems the main forum is constantly clogged up with stuff that should be in other forum sections. I would think this is very time consuming for the mods to keep moving them around.

There's a nice on in the main forum right now, that really should be in offline. To my knowledge, the standard right now is just hit the report button and wait.

Is it possible to get a sticky or something that explains each section? I know the definition/description is underneath each section, but most are failing to go that far.

It was suggested that a new member would have to read the rules first before allowing the sign up to complete (or something like that), and, I can see where someone new would get really confused as to where they should post. Heck, there's a ghostwriting article in the off topic forum that GOT MOVED THERE.

Can you see why some are confused? I know having a little test to see if one actually read the new rules, where to post, but wouldn't that also cut down on bots? Just a question.

Thanks

~ Theresa

[JohnMcCabe]

Originally Posted by Khemosabi

@moss

Is there anything you can do about adding a "where to post". Seems the main forum is constantly clogged up with stuff that should be in other forum sections. I would think this is very time consuming for the mods to keep moving them around.

Expanding on this idea, can we do something about the endless support requests that belong on other sites, like wordpress.org, aweber support, theme seller sites, etc.?

Is this going to be the Warrior Forum, or the Universal IM Tech Support Site?

[Mark Singletary]

While I agree that some of these tech support posts are frustrating (how on earth would I know which option removes the thingamabob in the X theme), I want to share a slightly different viewpoint.

I think that the forum encompasses the whole experience of being in online business almost by necessity. It's not just an FB marketing forum or just a how to write an ebook forum. It's all about making money online and that takes in a bunch of different topics including computer/tech issues. How can I make money online if my PC quits working? How will my ad work if my autoresponder isn't accepting the leads that are entered into the squeeze page due to a database issue?

Also, many sites that are used mostly for marketing have their own rules, guides, and support. For example, Google has guides about how to rank a page. FB has guides about how to run effective ads.

So why would we help the guy with the FB ad question when FB already has information on their site but not help the guy with a technical WP question that is also answered on their site?

Mark

PS I thanked your post because I agree with it but see that maybe we need a way to include those kinds of posts in a way that doesn't interfere with the rest of the forum's goals. Maybe it's impossible and they all need to be deleted. I'm not sure.

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Expanding on this idea, can we do something about the endless support requests that belong on other sites, like wordpress.org, aweber support, theme seller sites, etc.?

Is this going to be the Warrior Forum, or the Universal IM Tech Support Site?

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by Mark Singletary

While I agree that some of these tech support posts are frustrating (how on earth would I know which option removes the thingamabob in the X theme), I want to share a slightly different viewpoint.

I think that the forum encompasses the whole experience of being in online business almost by necessity. It's not just an FB marketing forum or just a how to write an ebook forum. It's all about making money online and that takes in a bunch of different topics including computer/tech issues. How can I make money online if my PC quits working? How will my ad work if my autoresponder isn't accepting the leads that are entered into the squeeze page due to a database issue?

Also, many sites that are used mostly for marketing have their own rules, guides, and support. For example, Google has guides about how to rank a page. FB has guides about how to run effective ads.

So why would we help the guy with the FB ad question when FB already has information on their site but not help the guy with a technical WP question that is also answered on their site?

Mark

PS I thanked your post because I agree with it but see that maybe we need a way to include those kinds of posts in a way that doesn't interfere with the rest of the forum's goals. Maybe it's impossible and they all need to be deleted. I'm not sure.

I can see both sides. There's instances where a question would be better asked of the product support.


But there's also a number of times when a question about a product/service is a benefit to other members of the WF. It could be the question is something others never thought to ask or a member wanting responses from people with actual experience with the product that goes beyond typical support responses.

[JohnMcCabe]

Originally Posted by Kurt

I can see both sides. There's instances where a question would be better asked of the product support.


But there's also a number of times when a question about a product/service is a benefit to other members of the WF. It could be the question is something others never thought to ask or a member wanting responses from people with actual experience with the product that goes beyond typical support responses.

I guess I should have been more specific. What you and Mark alluded to are not the kind of support questions I get frustrated with. And sometimes a vendor's support functions don't yield the needed answers. I get it.

The ones I don't like are the ones by people too lazy to even try the support functions. Often, someone trying to be helpful or just get some thanks or sig exposure answers the question after admitting the answer came from a help or FAQ page on the vendors site.

I've been known to answer the kind of questions you and Mark allude to. They're not the problem.

[ForumGuru]

@Moss

Re: WSO Rules

Please re-institute the rule that to post an offer to to the WSO section you need to be a War Room member.

Please also consider lowering War Room price back to what $37 for 20 years or whatever to join the War Room. IMO, and many others on here, $100 a year is way over priced for what is currently contained within.

This is one of the major reasons the WSO section has become flooded with crappy special offers.

With no skin in the game other than $20....not much to lose for posting a junk offer.

Regards,

-don

[dansilvestre]

Deleted all posts that add absolutely no value. Keep it civil folks, for god's sake.

Originally Posted by Kurt

There needs to be a rule about posts that are insults and negative comments about a person and meant merely to cause bad feelings. There's a few members here that are constantly involved in flame wars.

1.7. addresses this. Maybe we should add Rule 0. "Don't be a jerk"

[moss]

I think Daniel summarised this pretty well. There is no longer productive discussion about the rules happening here.

I'll address the remaining valid points that have been raised and I'd like to thank everyone who contributed and kept it civilised.

@Jill those examples you posted shouldn't have made it through, simple as that. If you want to promote a competitor go for it. We'll probably just delete your signature. If you keep doing it we'll revoke your signature permission. This isn't preschool guys, the rules are there as a guideline.

I'm going to reiterate a point I made earlier.

"I encourage you to think about the purpose of these rules. If you want to push the boundaries, you'll do it anyway. Just be prepared to get a message from a moderator asking you to change it."

Expanding on this, if you repeatedly push the bounds and we get tired of warning you we'll ban you. Common sense goes a long way.

There was a good point raise about whether or not WF is a support forum for the internet. I don't think there is a black and white rule for this. Moving forward we might try to be more aggressive in deleting threads which are obviously answerable by a company's respective support department.

To clarify the repeated questions surrounding this ForumGuru is not affiliated in any way with Freelancer.

[UPDATE]
I've just done another purge of the replies. Yes, there were some relevant discussion to the rules contained in some of these replies. The vast majority of the posts were about a specific incident which is inappropriate to deal with in a public thread.

If you have issue with a specific persons offering on the forum and you feel it has not been dealt with properly email support@warriorforum.com with objective details on why you think a different outcome should be decided on.

[jaystores]

If a thread I created is not approved, would I get a message saying so? I am new here and created a thread. I dont see it live. I tried to create another one, it didnt even post the thread. The "New Post" button just didnt work.

[Mark Singletary]

Originally Posted by jaystores

If a thread I created is not approved, would I get a message saying so? I am new here and created a thread. I dont see it live.

Yes, you'll get a notification through email.

I tried to create another one, it didnt even post the thread. The "New Post" button just didnt work.

That's weird. If you continue having this issue post in the Forum Help section.

All new threads are pre-moderated and sometimes it takes a while to get through the approval process. So, be patient - if it's unapproved you'll get a notice. If it's approved, it will show up.

Mark

[jaystores]

Thank you Mark.

I was able to post my 2nd thread, when I tried again. It is live now too.

However my 1st thread is still waiting approval.

The message on that thread editor page said that it takes 60 seconds for post approval. I think that may be causing the confusion.

[miaasemily]

Thanks. Yes it 100% is better.

[james japriadi]

just wondering why my forum post thread is not active yet, and got no notifications?

I'm new to this forum

[Kay King]

I'm new to this forum

Welcome - but read the rules please. This is not a 'review on demand' forum -though you can use forum search to see if those services have been mentioned.


ALL new threads are moderated before they appear - do not repost threads that were not approved. That is explained in the forum rules.



If you look in your PM folder you will probably have messages from moderators explaining why the thread is not approved. Please do not repost unapproved threads.