I'll WORK for you for FREE! Newbie looking for experience and a MENTOR

by Rocco
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Hello fellow warrior members,

In this post, when I referred to a newbie, I'm actually referring to myself. :-) for some reason, I write better at a third person type of view. I'm sure it has its advantages! :-)

I'm looking for someone that I can work with who can give me a bit of direction. That is, need to do research, writing content, backlink building, keyword list's or any other specific Internet marketing task that's required. I have been researching Internet marketing for well over a year now. I have a very good insight of many different techniques! I'm not at all technically challenged. I had a very good working knowledge of Visual Basic and other programming languages. If a task is required that I have no experience with, I will go out and learn how to do it! I love learning new things, and I have a very sharp learning curve. This means, subjects that are normally too technically challenging for others come very easy and naturally for myself.


My understanding and why
As most newbies fail to do, is to take action. I believe the newbies are afraid of taking action, because they don't have any confidence of the information they have learned. They have no experience! And what does experience teach us? Confidence! You can come up with almost any business model, so long as you have confidence in this model, you'll probably succeed!

But first, the newbie needs to be willing to make the investment of money and time to get this required experience. But most of us newbie Internet marketers got interested into this type of business model because we are sick of work. Now, which kind of characteristics would you expect from a person thats used to doing what they're told? Then suddenly, attempting to take on the challenge of Internet marketing? Most newbies are used to being told what to do. You're not allowed to have any original ideas if you are working in today's type of economy.

For all the newbies out there, this means.... You may know what you need to do to be successful, you buy up all the e-book's, and do a lot of research, but what is missing? Direction! By having someone telling you what direction to go. You're monetizing on all that training you received from birth. :-) Make sence?

So what does this all mean?
This means that people that are used to trading there time for money, have a lack of confidence. What would happen if a worker would have confidence? It would mean disaster for the company! It's either he'll/she'll get fired or promoted! I'll bet my bottom dollar that it's the latter. Better safe than sorry! But unfortunately, with this type of attitude in Internet marketing, this type of persona will not go very far!


Why all the fluff?
The only reason why i'm explaining these ideas I have, is that I do have a very good grasp on things. The first step of converting yourself from a worker to a self-employed Internet marketer, is understanding your flaws. By understanding these flaws, you'll be able to combat them with your own unique systems.

The only way I can combat this mindset, is to get introduced into the Internet marketing arena by other experience members, for a trade-off of free service!

What do I expect from you?
I will expect you not to over criticize my work (although constructive criticism is definitely welcomed). All that is needed is for you to explain why my results weren't at your expectation. And any insights into developing better results is expected. I'm only doing this trade-off for experience. So, if you would experience success from my work I would hope that you would let me know. This way, I can focus on my systems I used to create the content and make it better.

Hopefully I didn't make this post too long, or unnecessary. I thought I'll give you my insight into how I think of things and hopefully, we both can learn from this experience.


P.S. you must provide some kind of proof (screen shots) that you are making a significant income from Internet marketing. I don't want to be studying under a newbie that has never made any real money on the Internet!
Thanks,
Rocco (Rocking The World)

PM Me!
#experience #free #mentor #newbie #work
  • Well instead of working with someone for 'free'

    why not partner up with them in a proven income stream/business model...

    that is right now how I mentor+make money..and if you wanted tow ork with me..would help you...

    my full bio and what I do is on my signiture

    Waseem
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    • Profile picture of the author Rocco
      Thanks for the reply,

      That was my first idea. But, I truly have no experience making money on the Internet. For all I know, every article I would write or any research I do may be total crap. And it simply would not be fair to be taking a cut from someone who is making an income. and especially seeing that you'll have to, in away, coached me to produce better content, research, keyword list building, backlink building etc.


      If I had experience in working with others in creating good content for them, and then I'll have no problem in a joint financial venture. I guess in a way, I'm asking for an internship. I want to work with someone that can offer me value. Once my value exceeds your value, then I'll obviously need to be compensated. :-)

      Obviously, I won't work forever for free. If my content is working out and creating good conversions and providing good value for the reader, then at this point obviously I'll know that my skills are adequate. At this time, I would request compensation if the value I'm providing exceeds the value I'm receiving.

      That was my theory, I have absolutely no problem in profiting from this partnership. :-)

      But you're right, instead of saying free, it should be more as a free trial :-) or as an internship or something like that.

      Anyhow, I haven't read your signature yet. I'm heading over there right now and I will send a response shortly.

      Thanks,
      Rocco (Rocking The World)
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      • Profile picture of the author Rocco
        After reading your website, I find it quite interesting that you came to the same conclusion as I did. Your quote was "after plodding through tons of information, I decided that the best course of action was to find a mentor." The exact same conclusion I finally came to.

        on your website, you said you learned things that would have taken years to learn but only taken you months by having a mentor. So I guess you can understand why I posted "I'll work for you for free". Because I know I can learn a great deal of information and gain a lot of experience. It's either that or, spend hundreds of dollars on all the programs that promise you the American dream. I simply knew that this would be difficult to achieve as most newbies don't report a lot of success.

        It's actually kind of funny, you bring up the same point as I did in my post. About trading time for money. I didn't come up with that idiom, I read it in a book somewhere. Very good book to have it later on somewhere I can't remember the name of it. He goes on to talk about ways to make money. His main theme was to find something that has low value to one person and sell it to someone that has a higher value for it.

        Basically, if someone has something of value that's causing them a problem, they'll be willing to get rid of it for a low cost, then you find someone who needs it and will be paying a much higher price then than it cost you. It was a business model thats focused around real estate, but his ideas hold true in any business model! As I've come to realize....

        This idiom can even be applied to my situation. I have a problem, and you'll have a solution. My problem or what I can offer you I perceive as a low value, but from your perspective you perceive it as a high value. Now, if there was a middleman between us two, they'll be able to monetize on these facts. It's called a middleman :-)

        But luckily there is no middle man connecting us two together. Well, there was the forum as the middleman. But they do not capitalize on it. :-)

        P.S. yes, I love using my PS's. But there was one more thing I wanted to add, something I stated in the first paragraph of this post. About finding a mentor, it's so ironic that even in this book that I am talking about, he goes on to explain how important it is to have a mentor. He goes over and over endlessly in his book. Maybe that's what prompted me to seek a mentor. Maybe subconsciously?

        But anyhow, I read your about me page, but I'm no closer to understanding what is your business model. If you would like to discuss this further, please PM me your Yahoo ID for easier communication. Or if you have another preferred method of communication, send me a PM of which program you use and your contact information.
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    • Profile picture of the author cindyt
      Waseem,
      Your link is a reported attack site that supposedly downloads harmful software.

      Originally Posted by Online Business Mentor View Post

      Well instead of working with someone for 'free'

      why not partner up with them in a proven income stream/business model...

      that is right now how I mentor+make money..and if you wanted tow ork with me..would help you...

      my full bio and what I do is on my signiture

      Waseem
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    • Profile picture of the author Rocco
      Hi Gasen,

      Looks very promising, thanks for the lead.

      I'm giving it a go. But my original offer still stands for whoever wants to take advantage of it.

      Thanks,
      Rocco (Rocking The World)
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  • Profile picture of the author Kirstyn Sierra
    Hi Rocco,

    What kind of mentoring are you wanting? Terry Dean's Intern program is excellent and will give you about 6 weeks worth of lessons in a variety of internet marketing topics. I've seen all of the lessons/videos in his intern program and they are excellent. Some will take you less than an hour, others will take you closer to 2 hours, and you will receive a lesson 4 days a week (so we're talking about maybe a maximum of 10 hours a week, depending upon how quickly you pick up on the concepts he teaches).

    I've been studying internet marketing for 3 years, and worked with a successful marketer for about 2 of those 3 years. It was important for me to find someone who had been successful online, who could guide me and answer my questions.

    Probably one of the biggest things I've learned over the years is that focus is key. Of course having a general idea of the different aspects of internet marketing is important, but for me, I've found that I seem to make the most progress if I focus on one area at a time. Most people tend to feel they need to multi-task, which means they often times are juggling a number of different things and not making much progress on any of them - I'd say the exception to this is if you're managing a number of freelancers who are all working on different projects for you.

    One very key component of getting things going quickly is having help - outsourcing the areas that you're not proficient in or the areas you just don't have time for. Of course this isn't the easiest thing to do if you don't have capital to invest in your company... and I would caution you from going into debt, especially if you're goal is to develop a successful internet based business, simply because the fail rate is so high (97% of all internet based businesses fail... which means that only 3% are successful).

    Having said that, I'm guessing you may not get many offers from people who are making a substantial income online simply because that 3% that have become successful have their system down pat - either they've got their freelancers in place, or they've found a time management system that works for them, and they're at a place in their business where they're slowly building it - but the foundation is complete.

    So if you found someone you wanted to learn from (a mentor) what would you want from your investment of time? Would you want to focus on one area to learn it well? Would you want to do a little of this and a little of that? (Terry Dean's intern program is good for that.)

    From your last year of studying internet marketing, what area do you feel strongest in? Content creation (i.e. researching, writing, scripting videos, etc.) traffic generation, list building? Affiliate Center Development / Management?

    And within each of those broad categories (content creation, traffic generation, list building) are there some areas you feel stronger in than others? (i.e. PPC campaigns, article distribution or video creation for traffic generation, Affiliate Center Development / Affiliate Management for list building, researching for product development, etc.)

    Share a little more about what you've already learned, who you've studied under this past year and what you've learned in the special reports you've read or the products you've purchased and consumed. I did see your other post about the review you did on a product you purchased from Clickbank, which ended up being a disappointment.

    Have you watched any product launches in the past year? The big "gurus" are giving some excellent content away in their product launches, for free.

    It would be helpful for anyone who would be willing to invest their time in training you to learn more about what you know, and where you feel your strengths lie. They will be receiving your help, but the true sacrifice (so to speak) for a successful businessman (or business woman) would be that they will invest their precious time in training you... and if they've already got freelancers in place who do the work it wouldn't make much sense for them to take you on and train you, even if the work you give them in return doesn't cost them (in money)... it will cost them in time, and the whole point of having an internet based business is to Earn More, Work Less And Enjoy Life... (as Terry Dean puts it).

    Also - how many hours per day/week are you willing to invest in your training?

    Best wishes,

    Kirstyn Sierra
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    • Profile picture of the author Rocco
      What kind of mentoring are you wanting?
      wow, I just wrote two paragraphs trying to answer your question. After about two paragraphs it dawned on me I can sum it up in one sentence. I need someone to have expectations of me and to challenge me.

      Like you said, the number one thing you learned was to stay focused. That's what I need desperately!


      They will be receiving your help, but the true sacrifice (so to speak) for a successful businessman (or business woman) would be that they will invest their precious time in training you... and if they've already got freelancers in place who do the work it wouldn't make much sense for them to take you on and train you, even if the work you give them in return doesn't cost them (in money)... it will cost them in time, and the whole point of having an internet based business is to Earn More, Work Less And Enjoy Life... (as Terry Dean puts it).
      Yes, I definitely understand where you're coming from. I wasn't expecting a super guru to take me under their wing. And to tell you the truth, I have no idea what value i can offer a mentor. The only thing my little brain can think of is self-satisfaction? Maybe they wanted to do some good? lol unlikely.. I suppose I would need to figure this one out before I can really move forward and find a mentor. Just so many different places to start where the hell is the starting line?

      Earn More, Work Less
      Make Money Work For You :-)

      Who you've studied under this past year
      this is a tough question, as I read so many e-books and reports I can't even fathom how many I went through by now. Did any of them stand out? No, not realy. I suppose this could be why I'm not very focused. Information overload........ that's why I decided to seek a mentor.

      But of course there are a few that stand out to me. There is this video I was watching on keyword elites website. He shows how to do keyword research. I discovered it today, and it totally blew my mind away. He has his system all laid out. I thought it was totally brilliant! Keyword Elite University :: Members login (I guess you'll need to sign up to view the video)

      There is a book I also found very motivating and informative. Although it doesn't speak of Internet marketing (don't quote me on it and didn't finish it yet) but shows you an insider's view of how money really works. And how we are slaves to money. Very interesting, really opened up my mind. A quote from one of his readers "Rich Dad Poor Dad is undoubtably the best financial book ever written!" And I totally agree. Amazon.com: Rich Dad Poor Dad: What the Rich...Amazon.com: Rich Dad Poor Dad: What the Rich...
      what area do you feel strongest in?
      If I would have to say what my strengths would be, it'll probably be research. For some reason, I find this subject very interesting. I guess you can compare this feeling to the same feeling of fishermen would get. And I love fishing! The hunt begins....

      Would you want to focus on one area to learn it well?
      YES

      How much time can you invest in a day?
      I can usually put in about a solid 12 hours. As I approached the 12 hour mark, I tend to get less focused and simple task get more difficult. So I usually call it quits after about 10 to 12 hours. TILL THE NEXT DAY :-)


      P.S. If I was a blank piece of paper, what would you do with it?

      Sorry if I did not answer all your questions. I'm heading towards the 12 hour mark (Got up way too early today) and this post is taking me longer to write than I expected. If you have any questions feel free to post it.
      Thanks,
      Rocco
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  • Profile picture of the author Kirstyn Sierra
    Hi Rocco,

    Thanks for giving more information.

    You said you love to do research. Are you also one that likes to watch how other successful marketers do things with the intent of emulating what they do?

    Would you consider yourself a problem solver? Do you enjoy puzzles? Do you like to solve a problem?

    You can e-mail me at [kirstynsierra @ gmail.com] if you'd like to discuss this further. I bring on interns periodically, passing on some of the resources I've been blessed to receive over the last 3 years and I would be willing to discuss it more with you.

    Best wishes,

    Kirstyn Sierra
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    • Profile picture of the author Kirstyn Sierra
      And I had one other thought... one of the biggest keys to success on the internet is fast implementation. You are correct in that you can quickly get information overload simply because there is SO much to learn and so many facets of internet marketing to understand.

      You've read so much this past year - yet you still don't know where the starting line is. Unfortunately I think there are many starting lines, and it all depends upon how you choose to make money online, and what areas work best for you. This is what you want to find out. What kind of an online presence you want to have, and what ways work best for you to build your business. Everyone does it a little differently (some do it a LOT different than others) so truly there's no set "pattern" that works for "everyone".

      When I bring on an intern, I ask some very specific questions - I learn where their strengths lie and what their passions are. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses, and I'm miles ahead when I know those up front. Then I try to give the tasks in areas that I believe they will excel in. If for some reason a task isn't a good fit, I will make a change right away, to give them something that is a better fit. They in turn learn where their strengths lie as well... and it makes for a better intern experience for both parties.

      If you're willing to invest 8-12 hours a day in this, you'll learn a lot more than you already know (with some focused direction), and you'll start to formulate a plan for your own online presence. I empower my interns so that they have the best chance possible of being successful online themselves. In return they work hard for me for usually 1-3 months, which helps to build my business.

      Best wishes,

      Kirstyn Sierra
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  • Profile picture of the author gotresults
    Isn't your time & life more valuable than money, knowledge, experience?

    What is stopping you to be a mentor yourself?
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  • Profile picture of the author mrleogoyk
    Hey there this is Leo Goykhman not sure if you know who i am, but i am currently looking to bring 2 new interns on board check out my blog, if you're interested contact me. www dot mlmGoldenEmpire dot com
    thanks
    -leo

    In this post, when I referred to a newbie, I'm actually referring to myself. :-) for some reason, I write better at a third person type of view. I'm sure it has its advantages! :-)

    I'm looking for someone that I can work with who can give me a bit of direction. That is, need to do research, writing content, backlink building, keyword list's or any other specific Internet marketing task that's required. I have been researching Internet marketing for well over a year now. I have a very good insight of many different techniques! I'm not at all technically challenged. I had a very good working knowledge of Visual Basic and other programming languages. If a task is required that I have no experience with, I will go out and learn how to do it! I love learning new things, and I have a very sharp learning curve. This means, subjects that are normally too technically challenging for others come very easy and naturally for myself.


    My understanding and why
    As most newbies fail to do, is to take action. I believe the newbies are afraid of taking action, because they don't have any confidence of the information they have learned. They have no experience! And what does experience teach us? Confidence! You can come up with almost any business model, so long as you have confidence in this model, you'll probably succeed!

    But first, the newbie needs to be willing to make the investment of money and time to get this required experience. But most of us newbie Internet marketers got interested into this type of business model because we are sick of work. Now, which kind of characteristics would you expect from a person thats used to doing what they're told? Then suddenly, attempting to take on the challenge of Internet marketing? Most newbies are used to being told what to do. You're not allowed to have any original ideas if you are working in today's type of economy.

    For all the newbies out there, this means.... You may know what you need to do to be successful, you buy up all the e-book's, and do a lot of research, but what is missing? Direction! By having someone telling you what direction to go. You're monetizing on all that training you received from birth. :-) Make sence?

    So what does this all mean?
    This means that people that are used to trading there time for money, have a lack of confidence. What would happen if a worker would have confidence? It would mean disaster for the company! It's either he'll/she'll get fired or promoted! I'll bet my bottom dollar that it's the latter. Better safe than sorry! But unfortunately, with this type of attitude in Internet marketing, this type of persona will not go very far!


    Why all the fluff?
    The only reason why i'm explaining these ideas I have, is that I do have a very good grasp on things. The first step of converting yourself from a worker to a self-employed Internet marketer, is understanding your flaws. By understanding these flaws, you'll be able to combat them with your own unique systems.

    The only way I can combat this mindset, is to get introduced into the Internet marketing arena by other experience members, for a trade-off of free service!

    What do I expect from you?
    I will expect you not to over criticize my work (although constructive criticism is definitely welcomed). All that is needed is for you to explain why my results weren't at your expectation. And any insights into developing better results is expected. I'm only doing this trade-off for experience. So, if you would experience success from my work I would hope that you would let me know. This way, I can focus on my systems I used to create the content and make it better.

    Hopefully I didn't make this post too long, or unnecessary. I thought I'll give you my insight into how I think of things and hopefully, we both can learn from this experience.


    P.S. you must provide some kind of proof (screen shots) that you are making a significant income from Internet marketing. I don't want to be studying under a newbie that has never made any real money on the Internet!
    Thanks,
    Rocco (Rocking The World)

    PM Me![/QUOTE]
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    • Profile picture of the author harbinc
      Originally Posted by mrleogoyk View Post

      Hey there this is Leo Goykhman not sure if you know who i am, but i am currently looking to bring 2 new interns on board check out my blog, if you're interested contact me. www dot mlmGoldenEmpire dot com
      thanks
      -leo

      In this post, when I referred to a newbie, I'm actually referring to myself. :-) for some reason, I write better at a third person type of view. I'm sure it has its advantages! :-)

      I'm looking for someone that I can work with who can give me a bit of direction. That is, need to do research, writing content, backlink building, keyword list's or any other specific Internet marketing task that's required. I have been researching Internet marketing for well over a year now. I have a very good insight of many different techniques! I'm not at all technically challenged. I had a very good working knowledge of Visual Basic and other programming languages. If a task is required that I have no experience with, I will go out and learn how to do it! I love learning new things, and I have a very sharp learning curve. This means, subjects that are normally too technically challenging for others come very easy and naturally for myself.


      My understanding and why
      As most newbies fail to do, is to take action. I believe the newbies are afraid of taking action, because they don't have any confidence of the information they have learned. They have no experience! And what does experience teach us? Confidence! You can come up with almost any business model, so long as you have confidence in this model, you'll probably succeed!

      But first, the newbie needs to be willing to make the investment of money and time to get this required experience. But most of us newbie Internet marketers got interested into this type of business model because we are sick of work. Now, which kind of characteristics would you expect from a person thats used to doing what they're told? Then suddenly, attempting to take on the challenge of Internet marketing? Most newbies are used to being told what to do. You're not allowed to have any original ideas if you are working in today's type of economy.

      For all the newbies out there, this means.... You may know what you need to do to be successful, you buy up all the e-book's, and do a lot of research, but what is missing? Direction! By having someone telling you what direction to go. You're monetizing on all that training you received from birth. :-) Make sence?

      So what does this all mean?
      This means that people that are used to trading there time for money, have a lack of confidence. What would happen if a worker would have confidence? It would mean disaster for the company! It's either he'll/she'll get fired or promoted! I'll bet my bottom dollar that it's the latter. Better safe than sorry! But unfortunately, with this type of attitude in Internet marketing, this type of persona will not go very far!


      Why all the fluff?
      The only reason why i'm explaining these ideas I have, is that I do have a very good grasp on things. The first step of converting yourself from a worker to a self-employed Internet marketer, is understanding your flaws. By understanding these flaws, you'll be able to combat them with your own unique systems.

      The only way I can combat this mindset, is to get introduced into the Internet marketing arena by other experience members, for a trade-off of free service!

      What do I expect from you?
      I will expect you not to over criticize my work (although constructive criticism is definitely welcomed). All that is needed is for you to explain why my results weren't at your expectation. And any insights into developing better results is expected. I'm only doing this trade-off for experience. So, if you would experience success from my work I would hope that you would let me know. This way, I can focus on my systems I used to create the content and make it better.

      Hopefully I didn't make this post too long, or unnecessary. I thought I'll give you my insight into how I think of things and hopefully, we both can learn from this experience.


      P.S. you must provide some kind of proof (screen shots) that you are making a significant income from Internet marketing. I don't want to be studying under a newbie that has never made any real money on the Internet!
      Thanks,
      Rocco (Rocking The World)

      PM Me!
      [/QUOTE]

      Do you still have any internship positions available? I am eager to work and learn even more from a mentor. PM if you are still in this position.
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  • Profile picture of the author snowprincess
    Hi Rocco

    I understand completely what you are saying with this, as this is exactly how I felt when I first started in this business trying to get it off the ground. Mark Byrne (my partner) and myself have made a good income from IM stuff and would be happy to help you and point you in the direction of some useful infomation. Mark has written some very good e-books on everything from autoblogging to sales pages and we would be more than happy to give you free access to these and skype time if that helps you at all?

    Katie
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  • Profile picture of the author Kirstyn Sierra
    Sean Mize just sent out an e-mail announcing that he's releasing a brand new apprenticeship program where he teaches you how to build a profitable online business in exchange for you helping him promote a brand new site.

    You can learn more about Sean Mize here:
    Internet Marketing | Internet Marketing Coaching | High Ticket Selling
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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Kheifets
    Rocco,

    Sent you a PM but realized you probable
    can't PM yet. So, can you please provide
    an email address or just email me at kheifets [at] gmail.com

    Thanks,
    Igor Kheifets
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