nickchou

Hi Beth,

Thanks for your message. I am still 100% supporting this course. I am posting campaigns for March, April and May in the next week or too because I'd like to run my test campaigns longer to get more accurate data.

For now on you can promote the earlier campaigns. They will work as well as any newer campaigns.

Thanks.

Nick

nickchou

linkseeker,

Please send me your PayPal email through private message so I can take a look.

Thanks.

Nick

Teleologist

Hi Nick,

The following exchange took place over a year ago concerning Trademarks / product names etc. Does the current WSO address this issue and include all updates relating to it?

Regards,

Jack


Hi Lotus1,

Thanks for all your questions. I will answer them one by one.

===============YOUR QUESTION===========================


Quote:
Originally Posted by lotus1

Hi Nick,

I have one very important question and I hope you will answer soon. I just bought the main WSO and OTO too and immediatly went over some of your cut & paste campaigns you provide for us with OTO. But then I see that for keywords when bidding you are almost exclusively using trademark names and terms including product name which as you probably know is forbidden. E.g. As seen on PC and MarketHealth and almost all others are stricly forbidding PCC bidding on any trademark terms and exact product names!

So, how is this working then? If I use this could I be banned from networks or is there something I am missing

Please help!

===============MY ANSWER===========================

Thanks for such a great question. You are right in pointing out that I almost exclusively bid on product names, website URL and author or company name. However I do have an almost bullet-proof strategy to make this strategy work. Unfortunately I can't reveal too much here for obvious reasons because I don't want to offend big affiliate networks here. But in EZ TV Money, I will teach members exactly how to work around the odds against affiliates.

I invite you to give me a chance to prove to you that my strategy works. Meanwhile, I will send you a PM to explain what I do to make this work.

Thanks.

Nick

Nando

I also bought your WSO and have the same question as Lotus1 can you send me a PM explaining how this work.

Thanks,
Nando

nickchou

Hi Nando,

I will send you a PM right away.

Thanks.

Nick

Hi Teleologist,

I will send you a PM right away.

Thanks.

Nick

strivehigh

Hi Nick,

Sent you a PM with a couple of follow-up questions from our initial conversation via the support desk.

Would appreciate if you could have a look and get back to me when you have a minute.

Thanks again,

Kristoff

papaz322

To all of us that want to know more on Bing Ads - editorial guidelines have a look at their: BING ADS - OFFICIAL FORUM

forum

David Beroff

Thank you, Papaz. Since it looks like Microsoft refuses to discuss account closure, it may also be helpful to review the Editorial Guidelines directly, (including those on Intellectual Property and Trademarks), as well as the oh-so-readable Terms and Conditions.

Michael Thai

Hi Nick

Apologies if you have already answered this elsewhere (too many posts to go through here) i just want to know is your method 100% legal and ethical?

webskills

By choosing the right affiliate offer to promote (which the course helps you to do), you can be both legal and ethical.

nickchou

Hi Kristoff,

Thanks for your PM. I have answered your tickets and please let me know if you have any additional questions.

Thanks.

Nick

Hi Michael,

The whole business model is to bid on keywords to promote products. It is not a completely new business concept and it is 100% legal and ethical. It is a 100% white hat system. We just have to make sure that we are following Bing Ads editorial guidelines as well as your affiliate network's policy, both of which are addressed in the course.

I hope this helps.

Thanks!

Nick


Hi, webskills,

Thanks for your post! You are aboslutely right. If we want to be able to make it work for the long term, we need to follow affiliate networks' guideline.

Nick

linkseeker

Hi Nick,

This forum does not allow to send private messages. But I give you one more time paypal transaction ID #8H430473PR780163E

Please check it and refund.

I have started paypal dispute, so you can easy find the transaction and email and all you need for refund

Thank you, Maxim

CanuckWarrior

Hey guys,

There seems to be a lot of people getting banned, but I'm having a hard time believing it's for no reason.

I'm certainly no Bing guru, so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt:

When I first bought this WSO, I was also concerned about getting banned for no reason, but since it's not my main focus I didn't really care if I did. However, when I started reading all the terms, restrictions, and fine print of Bing, the products and affiliate networks, it all became a lot clearer. I haven't been banned (yet) but I am making a concerted effort to abide by ALL the terms of EVERY link in the chain.

Based on what I've come across so far, my guess people are being banned for one or more of the following reasons:

1) promoting products that forbid trademark PPC bidding
2) building campaigns with unrelated keywords (example: if your product is insurance related, do NOT use restaurant related keywords, Bing considers that misleading)
3) promoting a landing page with auto-start video(s) and very little text
4) promoting a landing page with a pop/up/under/over
5) promoting forbidden offers (gambling, torrents, how to get out of a speeding ticket, porn, etc.)
6) promoting landing pages that trap users, or in Bing's words "... You will not implement and/or use technology that prevents a user from using the "Back" button on such user's browser to return to the prior site or any Microsoft site. ..." Warriors may be accustomed to this practice because of this annoying approach in the MMO niche, but normal users HATE it, Bing knows that and will punish you accordingly.

etc.

Bottom line, this WSO requires a LOT of due diligence and attention to detail. If you're not willing to read the fine print and abide by ALL the terms (which do change over time) you should look elsewhere.

David Beroff

Thanks, Canuck. There's also this line from the Relevance and Quality Guidelines that keeps coming to my mind:

CanuckWarrior

Hey David,

If you're getting hung up on thinking your Prosper202 "landing page" is going to give you a low score, in my experience they have no adverse effect, but sucky merchant pages sure do.

The other thing that has killed quality scores for me is not staying on top of the campaign and pruning unprofitable keywords fast enough.

This WSO should work for you (imo and with no guarantee) if you pay attention to the finer details and learn from your mistakes, but it's certainly no magic bullet that auto stuffs money into bank accounts with zero risk.

Magic bullets don't exist, except for maybe those $40 blender thingies.

David Beroff

Interesting... and those are out of our control (save for not promoting them entirely). I'd always hoped that the "bigger" merchants would have put more resources, testing, etc., behind their own online efforts, but I guess not all of them feel this is worth the effort.

Oh, absolutely, Canuck! I'm actually pretty well-grounded in my transition back to self-employment, (far better than I was the first time), and I never had any expectation of a magic bullet. There are way too many people who spend time looking for those shortcuts, and plenty of WSO's here which are more than happy to (pretend to) cater to them.

Thanks for your encouragement about this business plan!

CanuckWarrior

Most merchants do spend a lot of effort tweaking their pages (another reason you need to closely monitor everything). If they start trapping users one day with exit popups and you continue to drive traffic to that page, then Bing's hammer will come down on your head.

Personally, I think there's enough good merchants and products out there over the various affiliate networks that it's best to just switch products if that ever became an issue in a campaign.

I guess you could build your own landing page or mini site, but that would require another level of expertise and needlessly complicate the process. A good merchant site should do the selling, your ad should be just be a relevant pre-sell.

Oh don't even get me started on WSO magic beans.

But glad I could encourage you.

nickchou

Hi Maxim,

I have refunded your order. There is no need to file for PayPal dispute. I have never turned down a refund request as only as it is with 60 days of your purchase.

Thanks and good luck!

Nick

nickchou

Hi CanuckWarrior,

Thanks for your detailed post. Other warriors will certainly appreciate it. I do want other fellow warriors to know that only a very small percentage of members got banned and they got banned ONLY because they were not following the course.

Many people were misled into thinking that making money online is as easy as just the click of a button. Well, if we want to make $100 or $200 per month, then yes, it is that easy. But if we want to make $5000 per month, it takes significantly more effort to do that. That's why there are over 200 pages of solid content and 10 videos in this course to help my students learn the ins and outs of PPC advertising. Everything you mentioned is covered in the course.

I definitely agree with you. If someone is looking to make a few hundred dollars per month by clicking a few buttons, then they should probably look somewhere else. But if someone is looking to make at least several thousand dollars per month and they are ready to run a serious business, this is your course.

Thanks.

Nick

Michael Thai

Hi Nick

Is max bounty good for this WSO? Have you used them before with your method?

ASGmarketer

Looks ok, Im a bit hesitant But it seems a good Gamble. Thanks for Sharing this!

ASGmarketer

Hi Nick, Just paid for the product, nothings come down, also there was now email after I paid for the product! just a paypal reciept.

nickchou

Hi Michael,

Yes, MB has some offers but not that many. Yes, I have used them and I am still using them. But there are better affiliate networks with more offers to join. Please use the ones recommended in the Platinum members area.

Thanks.

Nick

Hi ASGmarketer,

Thanks for joining us! Let us know how it goes!

Nick

Hi ASGmarketer,

You must have not registered an account with us first. Can you send me your PayPal email or your order confirmation through the Contact Us link in your members area so I can locate your order?

Thanks.

Nick

greeny1232

Nick - I would suggest taking out any association to "Above All Offers" on your CPA good list. I just started running a offer with them, the same one I assume you were (or at least a student of yours was), that is how I got the idea. Both of the ads were taking down, they claimed for fraud. Although I've only ran PPC on it for less then 3 days and got a conversion. Banned a few hours later, and I see you or your student ad is gone too. Normally I wouldn't call out a CPA, but they deserve this one. I have screen proofs of every click matched up with my PPC.

Product was ending in: VIE

Nanville

Nick,

Is Easy TV Money 2.0 coming out soon? You mentioned in a previous post that it would be coming out in June. Should I wait?

halbertech

Nick,
Quick question. Are the platinum monthly campaigns in the members area usually 3 months behind? Thanks!

nickchou

Hi halbertech,

No. I usually post monthly campaigns in the following month.

The campaigns will be posted during this weekend.

Thanks.

Nick

Hi Nanville,

Sorry it won't happen this June. There is just too much going on and I will have to delay it till after the summer.

Thanks.

Nick

Hi greeny1232,

Thanks for your post. We can't make a judgement based on one offer though. Also we can't copy what another student does because many students have not fully studied the course and/or are not following it. Please just make sure the offer meets all the guidelines in the course and you are following Bing Ads' and your affiliate networks' policies.

Thanks.

Nick

marcromero

still not sure about this one. really tempting!

Nanville

If we buy the course now, will it come with free updates since you plan to release Easy TV Money 2.0 after the summer?

bbyau

Hi Nick,

For exit pop, a lot of Clickbank products are having this issue. Do Bing treat this as a big issue and ban us ?

Thanks !

lifesshort

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanville
Nick,

Is Easy TV Money 2.0 coming out soon? You mentioned in a previous post that it would be coming out in June. Should I wait?

Being late to the party the problem I'm having about jumping onboard is that you keep promising an update but keep moving it forward. So you buy in to this course only to find out that someday (soon, whenever you get around to it) you've released the new version and we have to buy that one in order to keep up with market trends, although you mention at a discount, so it becomes a wait and see. And as this course is a dime sale, being late to the party it is more expensive only to find out that the new version is coming out someday soon and that will start off cheaper.

How about a more definite release date, lets narrow it down, is going to be this year....?

David Beroff

Here's an additional concern: I have been carefully following the course instructions to the letter, including the exact configuration given of the recommended click management software. The "Back" button only works in some browsers, (e.g., Chrome, Opera), and fails on others, (e.g., Firefox, MSIE). Wouldn't Bing notice eventually?

CanuckWarrior

I'm not understanding what you're saying. I'm using Firefox right now and my back button works just fine. Can't comment on MSIE, never use it.

Are you jumping to a landing page using a bookmark after first opening your browser, then trying to press the back button? If so, a disabled back button is normal, you can't go back before your start point.

However, if you start with a Bing search, click on an ad, you should be able to go back to the original Bing search result screen.

David Beroff

Oh, neither do I. But I suspect that Bing employees might.

Right, one should. But the cloaking seems to disable this in many cases. Here's an example, configured exactly as stated in the course.

CanuckWarrior

Firefox is not the problem, your landing page is the problem.

Your ad is sending people to a landing page that has a fake Adobe update popup.

When I clicked on your ad with my Playbook (using BlackBerry browser) and desktop (using Firefox) I received the following popup on both:

"WARNING! You should update your Adobe Flash Immediately

Update to Adobe Flash 12.0 now (Required)"

Note that the download site is NOT Adobe and that the latest release of Flash is currently 11.7.700.224

You might want to correct this (if possible) before submitting to Bing. Again, I'm not the Bing guru (so take with appropriate salt), but that seems in violation of terms to me.

nickchou

Hi Nanville,

No it won't. Because 2.0 is going to be a complete overhaul of the original course and there will be brand new chapters and videos that are not in 1.0 right now. I would have to put in a lot of time on this new course. Judging by the quality of this WSO and OTO, you would know that it will be totally worth the price.

Thanks.

Nick

Hi bbyau,

It is the best to avoid those products so your Bing Ads account doesn't get extra scrutiny.

Thanks.

Nick

Hi lifesshort,

Thanks for your post. As in most product launches, there are delays and uncertainty. You really don't have to purchase 2.0. This version will work just as fine as 1 year or 2 years ago.

As for the 2.0 version, I am afraid I can't make any promises as to when the new version is coming out. The only thing I can say is that I plan to launch it in September.

Thanks.

Nick

Hi David,

What click management software are you using? Are you using cloaking (not the cloaking in the tracking software)? If yes, then I am certain you are not following my course to the letter because I clearly stated in the course that we should NOT use any cloaking software.

Thanks.

Nick

David Beroff

That is truly bizarre, Canuck. I had asked several different people to help me test this earlier, each using a few different browsers, and none of us ever saw any popup like this. I'd almost be tempted to pursue a possibility that your machine may be infected with malware which changes affiliate identifiers and the like. You might want to try using a different computer altogether. But, just in case, I will also notify the affiliate network to advise them of what you observed. I'm also offering you a separate click path (see below) which doesn't use any affiliate network, so you can see the behavior that I am describing without this additional Flash message problem.

I'm using Prosper202 version 1.7.2, without any additional cloaking software. I am using the "Cloaking: On by default" option.

Since Canuck is seeing an additional potential problem with the affiliate network, let me direct you to an earlier test which exhibited the identical problem that I describe, but does not involve any affiliate network at all. (i.e., The ad "campaign" is simply a test with very simple, text-only pages.) Please note that this "Back"-breaking behavior only seems to happen with Firefox and MSIE.

Thank you!

CanuckWarrior

I've run a deep scan with MalwareBytes and have Norton360, nothing found. It happens on both laptops, desktop, and BB tablet. I'm pretty sure it's the merchant landing page. Did you previously accept the fake "Adobe" update to version 12?

Ok, now I can reproduce what you're saying with that earlier test link. Chrome lets me go Back, Firefox doesn't. That's concerning. :confused:

What happens if you turn off cloaking inside Prosper?

David Beroff

It may very well be; I'm honestly not sure. Do you have a (separate) Firefox profile for private browsing, where you can delete all cookies and then try again?

I have never seen this personally in conjunction with my following Nick's program. I do recall a completely-unrelated, spammy thread elsewhere on WF a few weeks back where a member was pushing others to a "buy many social views" website. I observed a pop-up ad on that site that attempted to coerce a "Flash" installation. Of course, I did not do that. When I pointed this out in the thread, (with the unspoken implication that said malware was how these views were actually generated), the OP got highly defensive, and the whole thread disappeared shortly after that.

I strongly doubt there's any connection. It would mean that malware would've had to travel onto my Windows desktop (without any install) and then later attach itself to Prosper202 when I downloaded it and then installed it onto my Linux server. A great plot for a science fiction writer, but no hacker is that determined, (unless one is trying to bring down a particular uranium enrichment facility). Not to mention your own observation (below) that the problem goes away when we use my Prosper202 install without that particular ad. So my best guess is that there is a problem with that ad sequence, but it's only triggered under certain circumstances, and it's likely not generated from my server. That's why I'm wondering about a separate Firefox profile. (Don't simply delete all your cookies in your "regular" profile, or we'll likely lose any clues about the trigger.)

Precisely.

OK, I just set this up; thanks. As expected, a parallel test campaign without cloaking does allow the Back button to work correctly.

I need to sleep on this; maybe I'm missing something obvious. Could I trouble you to please set up a similar "dummy" cloaked campaign on your server, Canuck? It sounds like you are experienced enough that this would not cost you very much time at all, and it would allow us to compare apples-to-apples. I'll take a look tomorrow when my head is fresh. Thanks!

Nanville

Nick,

How do I get on your list so I'm notified when you launch Easy TV Money in September?

Dumkist

Do you have to use Google adwords ?

CanuckWarrior

Unfortunately, I confirmed it myself. Never noticed it before because I was using Chrome. Had a late night last night researching it once I duplicated it and found this problem is nothing new, you can Google "Prosper202 Cloaking Back button". It would seem with most browsers, going back to a cloaked landing page just puts you in a loop which sends you back to the merchant page, so you can never go back to page that had your ad.

So I guess it's going to boil down to how literal Bing enforces the Back button clause. Will it just be deliberate pop-ups on exit or will it also include cloaked links called from Prosper202 that locks people into a loop back to the merchant page when using IE. NOTE: Chrome goes back with one click of the back button, Firefox only goes back if you quickly double click the back button.

Edit: Added the last paragraph and removed the rest of my original post so it doesn't needlessly confuse anyone or inadvertently hijack the thread.

nickchou

Hi CanuckWarrior,

I have never seen this problem. What offer were you referring to? What's the merchant website URL? And what browser and which search engine? You can send me through PM if you don't want to reveal it to everyone.

Thanks.

Nick

nickchou

Hi Dumkist,

Noooooo. Google AdWords is so 2005 We are using something much better!

Nick

If you are paying member, you are already getting my newsletters and you will be notified when it comes out.

Thanks!

Nick

CanuckWarrior

Hey Nick,

I'm not really concerned about that fake Adobe 12 popup, I first came across it a few weeks ago checking potential offers from one of my affiliate panels and it was only on one offer. I think David may have found the same offer so he can PM the actual ID to you, I didn't write it down but I think it was in the MaxBounty network.

What we're actually concerned about you should be able to test with any of your own campaigns that has cloaking on by default in Prosper202 (or just use the test landing pages that David set up in post #2705 by clicking on the "earlier test" hyperlink in the last paragraph).

So making sure you have Prosper cloaking on by default, do a Bing search that brings up one of your own ads. Click on that ad, it will take you to your landing page and then to the merchant page. Now press the back button and try to get back to your original search page. If you're using Chrome, no prblem. If you're using Firefox, you'll have to do a quick double click on the back button, single click won't work. Now try IE, no matter what you so, you'll be trapped on the merchant page.

Next remove Prosper cloaking, retest and the Back button will take you back to the original search screen first click on every browser no problem.

Hope that made sense.

David Beroff

Right. It was originally MaxBounty #5413, but by the time we started discussing it here, that offer was retracted and replaced (by them) with #5497. The latter seems to be the one with the issue. Personally, I had paused the campaign (on Bing) before the original offer was retracted, (but it was still available through my server, which is how Canuck saw #5497).

Correct. Just to clarify, here are the two test campaigns I set up, with and without cloaking, but Canuck's right in that it'll be better if you can observe this on your own server.

Jamie Kochan

Do you give us a list of the affiliate networks that you use for the As Seen On TV products as well as any other affiliate sites?

JK

Nanville

I'm not a paying member. Just heard about you recently.

Don't you have a non-paying member list I can subscribe to? Aren't you leaving money on the table when you limit your launch notification only to paying members?

David Beroff

Nick's product has already launched; you can review it here.

Nanville

Nick's launching a new course: Easy TV Money 2.0 around September 2013, he said.