jasona118

Thanks for the thanks. I would also like to add that I am an accountant and auditor from the uk so I completely understand the boundaries of ethics.

Putting people in touch with what they want, well that is advertising for you. Are all the major banks deceiving people by inviting you in, making you a coffee and then selling life insurance?

Also in my line of work, do I get many opportunities to sell loans? No not really, but the people are out there, many desperate. How can even (what I class as the worst lenders) charge apr's of 3000% and have people flocking to them? the answer is demand.

This is a good solid marketing system, giving people what the need with the extra benefits of additional routes to commission and profits.

I hope my review helps people not worry about the fact that the primary is based on loans. There have been quite a few financial terms thrown about in this thread, but no need for that to put you off.

jasona118

Sorry,I might not have been clear in my last post, on the front end, this is not a bad lender.

Peterc201

Thank you Sarkis! You the man!

Peter Camilli

udoitnow

Hi Sarkis,

I know you're busy putting things together, but I sent you a Skype message with a couple of questions before I take the plunge. Just uncertain about a couple of things. I'd appreciate the answers when you get a chance. Can't wait to get started!

anwiii

well i don't like the conference idea and i will tell you why. you aren't targeting qualified businesses. you're just showing up hoping the people you meet are qualified. one important aspect in businesses and marketing i learned a long time ago is to pre-qualify people before i even begin to market my services. if you aren't prequalifying, you're making things harder on yourself. sure, you can make money just showing up to some business conferences, but it wont be as effective as prequalifying businesses FIRST.

chamber of commerce? there are about 20,000 towns in the u.s. and about 1/3 of them have chambers of commerc. i highly suggest that you become a member before you approach the chamber or know a respectable member. otherwise, again, you're going to be making things harder on yourself. the chamber of commerce though is an excellent idea if you're a member already. it's how i got a lot of my current business promoting other things besides loans.

now, i love the targeted method of this program. it's very doable. what i don't like is the list building method. nobody should even be considering this method. you are targeting businesses owners NOT opportunity seekers. you may get a few of them to bite, but in my opinion, a total time waster compared to spending a little more time targeting the businesses that will actually qualify. some money may be in some lists, but again, you are targeting BUSINESS OWNERS not opportunity seekers. the conversions will be poor if you want to try to direct a business owner to an opportunity that isn't related to helping his business where he now has to try to run two businesses. it's hard enough trying to run just 1.

the swipes are also something i am not impressed with. it's clear that they were quickly drawn up without much thought in to it except for maybe the lender swipe. my suggestion for anyone using the swipes(except for the lender one) is to change it around a little and make good use of the titles. the titles will determine if your ad will be clicked on or if your email will be opened. also, i think a couple of the download need to be edited because there is duplicate content in them. i am surprised nobody noticed this yet.(the list of targeted businesses).

i am also not so there being an original and an xpress and now the original is going to be sold as an oto. they should have been combined in to one for one set price. as it stands right now, everything is being promoted backwards.

now tlayn wrote a huge post. i loved his enthusiasm. it's a key element to success because it feeds the motivation one needs to succeed. there is a reason why someone buys 20 wso's and is someone who is always finding a need to buy wso's though. he makes the whole thing sound like stealing money from an open bank vault and that's far from the truth. everyone needs to have the mindset that this is a business and every business has it's pros and cons and every business needs dedication and hard work to make it work. some people think it's easier to work for ones self than working for someone else and that is FAR from the truth. people work for themselves because of the PROS of working for ones self, not the cons(it is much harder to work for ones self). business opportunities aren't for dreamers. if your mindset is just to dream, you will fail. you have to balance the dream mentality with a doer mentality. a balanced mindset that will allow you to not only dream, but get the job done and your goals met.

now sarkis, he is a really cool guy. he has a family that he is trying not to neglect and this wso he is trying to run and offering a lot of his time to people who need help or a little push through a telephone call or skype. i haven't seen him talk about it much but he is bleeding the need for more time and sleep yet he is being dedicated to being there for people right now that he doesn't even know. i haven't seen a guy work so hard in offering support like this in a while. i've seen it, but it's rare. even though there are a few things i would change with this system, half of it has the potential of giving anyone a fulltime+ income. you don't have to sell anyone anything. either the business needs more money or they don't, right? either they want an extra $50,000 to expand and market their business for 5-15% interest or they don't. this is a no brainer for most businesses and i'll tell you why....

i've been selling my online marketing services to local businesses for a while now. before i watch 1 of the videos, i already had part of my marketing strategy down and i am going to share it with people because i am not to keen on people keeping things to themselves selfishly like the world is gonna come to an end if they offer to help people for free and out of the goodness of their heart. here it is....

because i have experience helping businesses, i know how much r.o.i. i can offer businesses if they share just a little information with me. i know on average, i can increase sales of a business by 25-50% within a year on average(there really isn't any limitation except for how much business they are able to handle actually). a lot of businesses will make up the excuse that they don't have any more money for marketing. this isn't true, but most likely it's just an excuse to get rid of ya. so what people can do is approach businesses and tell them...look....i have recently been working with a lender friend of mine to actually help businesses afford to expand and market their business the right way. Don't have the money? now you will have the money with my help by introducing you to my lender friend(then i go in to how i can help market his business after getting approved for a loan and i already prequalified this business because i have NEVER done business with another business making under 100k. more like 10 times that amount minimum)

now this will work whether you are experienced in offering online marketing services to these businesses or not and when i show them i can increase their sales by 10%-20% in a month or two and 50%+ in less than a year....even at a 15% loan rate, it's a no brainer.

anyway, my point is, there are plenty of ways to market this and helping businesses get the money they want and need to survive without worrying about money. you just have to approach these businesses with the mindset of helping them, build your credibility and trust so you can have a lasting relationship with them. if you're not already selling services to your local businesses, do that and don't put your eggs all in one basket. diversify....but within the same niche....helping local businesses. offering services to these businesses is a great way to upsell them after helping them with a loan(by just giving them the link to the lender). if they get a loan, they are gonna love ya. ofcourse you will be able to upsell them with some seo services or a better looking website or a mobile friendly website or video marketing or social network marketing or reputation management/marketing, etc...!

when i heard about what sarkis and his partner were doing, i jumped on it because it's a perfect compliment with what i am already doing....helping these businesses. i personally am not looking to make a killing with the loans nor am i willing to concentrate on it full time and neglect my current clients. but if i can double my income with the loans because i deal with businesses daily anyway, i'm happy with that

GOOD LUCK to everyone. the conference call has just been posted so if you weren't on the call, now's your chance to hear what went on. you should have received an email with the link now. GET 'R DONE!

udoitnow

Thank you anwiii,

That's what I'm a little confused about. Because in reading most of the thread and watching the videos, I realize there is BTKE, BTKE Xpress and something called Pro. But like you, it would seem that the first 2 should have been combined and the 3rd one maybe to enhance the program. With that said, can an individual be successful with only BTKE Xpress or do they need the 1st and 2nd one or all three?

Lastly, can this be done without talking to biz owners all day or at all for that matter?

sweethomeseller

The answer to the question is following. If business fails to pay - lender goes after business assets first and then hire collectors who threat to pierce corporate wail on LLC or INC which lets them to go after person behind the business. Of course, it is a long shot but having to deal with the successful business - none of this is needed in 95% of cases

aarontardos

I just want to say thanks to Sarkis for not just putting out a great information product but for putting out a product that creates an actual partnership with his buyers.

Aaron

GreenHollows

There is no option for paypal in the forms we fill out to send to Go Credit Wise. Do we need to ask them about paypal?

I have enjoyed the training and the opportunity is wonderful. I have worked in the mortgage lending sector and the opportunity to help businesses is really appealing to me! I will need help with setting up the squeeze page, but to be able to grow my list with this is an encouragement to acquire more technical skills!

Excel Fields

PM Sent Sarkis!

StoneP31

I'm not a veteran, but IMHO this can absolutely be done without the original BTKE or the Pro. The BTKE is all about products and services to sell as an affiliate to biz owners before or after they get loans. Basically more value from each person seeking a loan: website, marketing tools, seo, etc. All this is an affiliate not you having to provide these services, just refer others to them. Also this is being updated and not yet for sale again.

I have no idea what the Pro version will be, but I believe that's cominf out in a few months. Maybe weeks. Idk.

I would also say you DO NOT have to talk to biz owners. Check out the videos on the salespage and you'll see that posting your ad in specific locations will be effective. Focusing on bank manager and accountants is another great strategy, although you may have to talk to them. Lastly, people in countries other than the US are crushing it so face to face meetings is a non issue. I don't know if they are closing over the phone or getting all kinds of traffic, I just dont know.

My plan is to trust Sarkis and follow his teaching. To have a mentor and coaching for a WSO this price is unheard of. I fugure in one month I'll be where I am today, or way better off. The classic nothing to lose approach.

Final verdict: Get in, follow directions, take action, and if by April you haven't made at least $500. Get out and move on.

Rock on,
Stone

Jim K

Just wanted to second this post, I thought the same things! This is an easy change and will certainly help with conversions for everyone.

TLayne

Make that 3!

udoitnow

Thanks Stone for your detailed answer. But I thought I read somewhere in the thread that the original BTKE was a OTO. Nevertheless, I'm in! Thanks again!

creditbuilder

I WILL BE OUT FOR THE NEXT 5 HOURS... BEEN ON THE COMPUTER SINCE LAUNCH NON-STOP PRACTICALLY so I am going out and will be back soon... which is why I may seem unresponsive atm. Thanks.

WFAlex

So far I like everything but a bit of help with the traffic generation aspect would be much appreciated.

I'm located out of the US so face to face talking isn't possible for me.

Also, if you're outside of the US, Craigslist posting can only be done with a rather large investment (phone verified accounts, proxies etc.).

Linkedin, I've never used the site and I assume if I look like average Joe Schmoe I won't be taken seriously by bank managers and biz owners. Do you pretend to be a biz owner, trying to help "fellow" biz owners out by showing them where to get that loan?

The salespage says 98% automated traffic but that only holds true if you already have a bunch of bank managers and CPAs etc. signed up under you.

Defacto

I bought and it does look really good but I do have one concern. There is a toll free phone number on the lending affiliate site. How do we know we will not be cut out of our commissions if the customer calls that number instead of filling out the short form?

anwiii

i just got through listening to the whole call that was just posted. i was actually on for 30 minutes of the original call but my internet connection went out and wasn't able to connect back on. the call sounded like it went great. informative, great support, the bonuses sounded good especially the free ebook/blueprint. i have to disagree with sarkis though. a forum is a MUST but you need to have it moderated the right way so that misinformation is limited. there are people out there that don't want to skype or call you and are more comfortable in a forum setting. your reaching out to more of the masses to help and allow other people to help them that are knowledgeable. i personally think a forum was a great suggestion by one of the people that was on the call and impliment a people helping people system. this is what business is all about. i know i am in a business in helping businesses and they are in a business in helping people with their product or service. that's how the world turns buddy i hope you reconsider. i totally agree about the misinformation though and that's what pisses me off most about forums but i believe everyone can learn from eachother in way way or another and that philosophy has helped me succeed in my life and in my business....admitting that even i don't know it all and knowing that you probably don't know it all either to help everyone but maybe someone else can. anyway, AWESOME recorded call! loved it!

UDOITNOW- i highly suggest you forget about everything except for getting targeted businesses to sign up through your link. forget about everything else. forget about the oto. there IS no oto right now. the best way to go about it would be to find and target the businesses you need to target. now how would you do it without approaching businesses face to face? on the internet. i would forget about craigslist ads because companies aren't going on there for financial advice or any ad site like ebay classifieds or whatever the other ones out there are. go on linked in like the video said to do, join some groups and contribute to them and gain trust and credibility. the other way i HIGHLY suggest is to scrape email addresses of businesses. invest in a targeted leads scraper, and email those targeted businesses. the only thing you can't prequalify is the income but 100k is not a lot for a business. your talking about 1 or two employees and the owner making around 30k a year after all expenses and taxes. i would change the swipe a little and definately think like a business to get a good title in the emails. with gmail, you are only allowed to send 500 or so emails a day from one account but that should be PLENTY. after you found what's working, scale it up. this is how you do it without meeting with people but i think it's in your best interest to eventually meet with the people that can refer business loans like bank managers and accountants and tax lawyers and a couple other professions that deal with businesses on a daily basis. that's free money you don't have to work for after you get these guys in to your funnel system. also, if you don't want to follow up with businesses face to face or on the phone, you are limiting yourself but doing everything online is still very doable.

i FOURTH it to have the id autofilled! it's easy to impliment. what i was going to do was tell them just to put thier first name in there and THAT is what their id is. but ya, autofill it for sure or it's going to be confusing for them when they reach the last field unless you are right there with them to hold their hand.

Jim K

Sarkis can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe he stated that the ONLY way the lender will begin the process with a business owner is if they fill out the form that YOU send them to. I took this to mean that if anyone calls that number, they will be directed back to the page you sent them to, to fill out the form. I had the same concern and found that he had answered it somewhere before I could ask......don't remember exactly where that was, but am pretty sure it is somewhere is this ever growing thread.

creditbuilder

The option for paypal is not currently there, but it will be available, but if you already have signed up, then don't worry. Just contact the lender and he/she can help you. The email you got was when you signed up with the lender. Thanks

Defacto

I was hoping that was the case...

udoitnow

Anwii, I understand what you're saying, but right now I just wouldn't have a lot of time to go off and meet people daily. In the future yes, but right now is not realistic for me. In fact, in one of Sarkis vids, it didn't appear that I needed to meet with them to be successful. Thanks for your input!

creditbuilder

FOLKS PLEASE TRY TO READ THE THREAD I KNOW IT'S PILING UP. This one though I want to answer because it is a common concern and a very legitimate one.

creditbuilder

FOLKS LISTEN TO ME: please... lets keep things simple. 1st why would you want to go around meeting people one by one, that's just a friggin waste of time unless you are meeting bank managers and cpa's, in which case why would you start with that when your first focus should be finding business owners to go to the lender? Listen if i thought your first priority should be to go and get bank managers then I would have told you that or at least put that video first.

Many of you are veteran internet marketers and let me tell you the most successful people right now know NOTHING ABOUT IM. Nothing. All those guys n gals have is the ability to do what I tell them to do because they dont know anything else really. And they are blowing this thing up! I am putting something together hopefully soon for you to speak with them, just they are not wanting to talk about it because they are not keen on sharing and frankly I don't blame them.

The key to make money here is one thing. Build your pipeline with the lender. Get biz owners filling up that pipeline. I know, I know, its all about traffic right? FRIGGIN WRONG GUYS!!! LISTEN, I LOVE THIS AND YOU WILL TOO! Like the many posts you read before, this is not some cpa offer where you are needing 10000 clicks to get 1 sale. We are talking about helping business owners with money -- at no upfront cost to them with no associated risk. With this system, you are looking at conversions of high double digits IF YOU ARE TARGETING THE RIGHT GROUP. The swipes were not put together quick... they work because they play the part of ignorance and while it may not be converting for you, TRUST ME it is converting for so many.

This course is riddled with ways you can approach biz owners and send them to the lender. The reason I put this out there is for you to take my methods and add to them your experiences. Each of you are unique and bring different qualities. Just this morning I spoke with someone who does PPC while I spoke to another that does SEO, VIDEO, and the list goes on. What I never heard was the PPC guy say he will do Video or the Video guy say he will do SEO. THE KEY TO THIS IS TO REMEMBER YOUR FUNNEL AND STICK TO THAT PLAN...

Jimp1

Looks interesting. A few questions if I may. Is the 15% intersest fixed? Are all loans that are approved, approved at the 15% rate? Lastly are the terms of payback fixed or negotiated ( 3yr, 5yr 10yr payback) and what are the total Fees fesides the interest?
Thanks...
Jimp1

anwiii

there is a few ways a person wouldn't get credit. this is a good question so i am curious about the answer about protecting our leads specific to not getting credit in general and not just limited to the person calling the # without filling out the form first and getting the loan process started over the phone. i know the fast answer would be that it's unethical and could easily be found out sooner or later that the company was doing that and then that's it for them but that wouldn't answer the question in how our leads are being protected after we pass them off because in the training, we are told to send them DIRECTLY to the lender and this is one of the reasons i had a problem at first being trained this way. it doesn't protect the lead especially if you don't know who you are sending the referal link to(when placing ads or marketing on youtube or blogs or even your own website)

Cali16

This is why I hope you NEVER do a forum. It would just make it too easy for everyone to confuse everyone else, rather than following the steps as you've already laid them out for us.

creditbuilder

If you can, please go back read the thread... there are many mitigating factors, but here is the answer.. I don't know... let the biz owner fill out the form and analyze their business and then determine all that.

alansele

Being an experienced marketer and IT dog I've seen a lot of good, bad and ugly programs.

When, 6 months ago, I saw original BTKE I knew that was a game changer.
Yeah I know, "game changer" is an overused term that it has almost lost its meaning, but I can't think of better one to describe it.

But as good as BTKE was, a vital compnent was missing - AUTOMATION.

Obviously, having coached tons of people Sarkis has recognized that and created BTKE-X .

Sarkis gives a bunch of short videos covering all aspects of what to do and how to drive the traffic.

There is no doubt in my mind that this will finally propel me to a very comfortable living.

THE BOTTOM LINE (and I don't mean to be rude or "clever" about this):

If you are unwilling to spend $27 for a life changing opportunity,
then stop wasting your time and money hovering around I.M. business.


AlanSele
~ Thunder From Down Under ~

bigcat

Don't forget to contact the people you already know.

I was sitting her thinking of what I wanted to do next and I just remembered that I know two CPAs very well. I also know a number of business owners.

Sometimes it is the obvious that we forget about.

Lee

swaffi

Hi guys, I don't understand the TK_Affiliates form page.
I might need to go back to the video and check it out but if anyone here knows..what is the purpose of the Confirm Password and BTKEX MEMBER ID fields. I think I recall Sarkis saying that the affiliate puts anything in there (BTKE MEMBER ID) that's memorable for him/her) but what about the confirm password? I just don't seem to get this at all. If a bank manager or accountant or whoever looked at this they would say WTF wouldn't they?

creditbuilder

Exactly!! Thats exactly why I got rid of the forum from the Original BTKE XPRESS. People were giving people the wrong info and instead of speaking to me, I was much later finding out they had no results.

Llewelyn

Hi,
Just PM'd you. Ran into a problem after paying for the WSO.

TLayne

I'm not sure I understand your confusion. This enables the affiliate to access his/her back office to follow the status of the loans they've submitted. It's a password protected area. What's confusing about that?

Alton Hargrave

As I suggested a few days ago in this forum, a forum for the members would be a great asset. It would be a place for all of us to exchange ideas and solutions, just as this forum has been. A forum helps members to feel a sense of belonging to a group of like-minded people and thus conveys confidence and discourages doubt.

As far as mis-information, that can happen, but it is usually corrected quickly and would not really present a problem. Sometimes, when something doesn't make sense, having someone else explain it a different way may help. You can see that happening on this forum and, in fact, in this very thread.

A forum can encourage participation and enthusiasm. For people engaged in the same ideas or goals, a forum is the glue that binds.

A forum....why that is what brought all of us together here!

creditbuilder

The only BTKEX MEMBER ID that matters that you get right is yours... basically it has to match the wp member info so I know that you are or are not a member. But for your affiliates it really does not matter because your affiliates are registered under you... so for all you care, they can put MYDOGHATESME and its fine... I tell them use something like GOCREDIT... keep it simple because it does not matter.... another thing you can tell them to do is put their last name and the initial of their last name... point is it does not matter. Thanks.

TLayne

It happens here 99% of the time because people don't take the time to read the sales page, view all the information given or all the posts in the thread.

A forum would be no different ... answering the same questions over and over because someone doesn't want to take the time to read through everything first.

Honestly, I don't see this as such an in depth process that requires a forum. You are a referral agent/affiliate for the lender. Send businesses to the lender site. Done.

Llewelyn

In the video that I just watched, you mentioned that it should match the Paypal Transaction ID generated when buying the WSO and that the affiliates signing up could put in any bogus info., Did I get it wrong ??

TLayne

Correct

However, I will be suggesting to my affiliates to use their first initial and last name.

creditbuilder

The person that matters is you. Basically I need to match your member site with the lender info that you fill out. If it does not match I first check to see if you are someone's affiliate. If you are not an affiliate to a xpress member or you yourself are not a member, you are not the one getting paid.

That is why, if you want to be DIRECT to the lender, your information has to match. So long as I know your information matches, you are fine... the BTKEX MEMBER ID is only one way... i cross reference with name, email, and other information in the xpress membership. If I don't connect the dots that I suspect you are not a member, I will first email you 5 times, 1x a week asking you to reply. Then I will attempt to call you 5x. If by then you don't respond I take your leads and distribute them to other members and if one of those leads get funded the person holding that lead gets the 1.5%. Really, its very simple... basically if you don't get an email from me with the subject line CONFIRM YOUR BTKEX MEMBER ID, then you signed up correctly even if the info did not match exactly, it was enough that I knew you were who you say you were.

Alton Hargrave

Well, what is simple to you may not be so simple to everyone else. Consider the hundreds of posts in this thread and the number of videos available here and in the members area to explain it. People still raise questions. I still have questions myself after watching them. And, I do not care to use Skype to communicate. Not all of us communicate in the same way. Sometimes, when someone says they understand, they truly think they do and they may not. They may then waste time and money before it occurs that they are not doing things the right way.

A forum can be an efficient way to communicate to all. I know everyone ought to read the hundreds of posts before they ask a question and they ought to read carefully and not ask a previously asked question, but that is in a perfect world and this just aint one.

Why are you against the rest of us having a forum, you don't have to read the thing if you think it is a bad thing.

swaffi

Well, maybe I should have added this in the last post...when I click my link it has my username and my password on it. Is this supposed to be there? If it is, wouldn't the bank managers etc get this same information?

alansele

I have bought original BTKE and (as I said elsewhere) it is a definite game changer, but ...

There is a lot of material and it does require at least a week (probably two or more - depending on how committed and knowledgable you are).

Also, you are doing a lot of legwork before the business owner is ready to ask for a loan.

The implied danger is that we being like crows and getting diverted by another WSO shining object we start chasing them instead of completing the BTKE tasks.

The result: fantastic system that you have not implemented and have got Zilch $s to show for your efforts (no prizes for guessing what did I do).

What Sarkis has done with BTKE-X is to short circuit the whole system.

Get a needy business owner to a capable lender and get paid quickly.
You put a minimal effort for a big and quick reward.

There will be businesses who don't fulfill the criteria and can't get the loan right now and have to do other things to get themselves there.

Since your pockets are full of money that you can buy food, pay rent and take your partner for a nice dinner, you can work on implementing original BTKE to make your pockets overfow.

First the low hanging fruit, then start climbing branches to get even bigger fruit.

That's my $2M worth.

Best regards
AlanSele
~ Thunder From Down Under ~

TLayne

Your browser apparently has that information stored. It will not appear on someone else's computer.

Jim K

Sounds like maybe your browser is inputting your login creds? Try a different browser and you should not see your login creds auto populate......your referrals will NOT have your login creds auto populate when going through your link!!

swaffi

Hey thanks for that info. I was going insane over it!

swaffi

Thanks for that as well!

alansele

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yea thats the main thing how does the lender profit if the business does not pay back the lOAN plz. provide a detail explanation bcoz people ask you you know
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Any sane Business Owner wants his business to prosper and normally the revenue is much greater than the loan he is going to get.

But, in the case that the proverbial hits the fan and the business goes bankrupt, it is a great comfort to know that he/she will not be personally liable for the loan.

The lender is experienced enough to know what percentage of loans goes bad and can be absorbed by the system.

AlanSele
~ Thunder From Down Under ~

TLayne

I didn't say I was against it, I just don't see the necessity. Also, you don't have to use Skype to communicate with Sarkis, he's available through the members area, email and phone. If you feel the need for a forum, knock your socks off

Defacto

Someone should start a facebook group...