Joomla vs WYSIWYG vs Xsite Pro vs Site Build it!

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Ok people,

I've decided to design my web site myself (on a shoestring budget) and I'm looking at my options. Between Joomla!, WYSIWYG, XSite Pro and Site Build It!, which would you say is the best platform for someone with basic HTML knowledge who wants a nice looking but successful (i.e. high traffic and money generating) web site.

(N.B. My web site is going to be an online magazine for young women.)
#build #joomla #pro #site #web design services #wysiwyg #xsite
  • Profile picture of the author MemberWing
    Wordpress.
    Then Joomla maybe.

    I'd stay away from standalone site building solutions because you locking yourself into smaller community, closed source code, your main development computer and inability to manage your site via web browser.

    Wordpress sites are normally a bit faster and infinitely more flexible.
    In 5 minutes work Wordpress based site will have the best SEO features.
    Also check my free tutorial on building flexible navigation menus for Wordpress. Good luck with it - if you'll be using other site building solutions.

    Gleb
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  • Profile picture of the author Aljiro
    WORDPRESS You can easily bend it to your will (With some research)
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    • Profile picture of the author baha baje
      Ok, so if I use wordpress does it matter if someone else is hosting my site or can they allow me to use wordpress on their server?

      Can anyone tell me the pros and cons of using joomla?
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  • Profile picture of the author MemberWing
    Just go to hostgator.com and open hosting account. They have interface to install Wordpress in 2 minutes. Same for Joomla actually.

    Gleb
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  • Profile picture of the author thomasr
    I wrote a Little tutorial on setting up a domain and using fantastico to do everything....its very simple and straight forward.
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    • Profile picture of the author baha baje
      My domain's already set up with a host... what the heck is fantastico? Are they a host or platform that makes web design easier?
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      • Profile picture of the author casben79
        fantastico is an auto installer that a lot of hosting companies use, who is your hosting through? most will have an installer in the options, look for a script installer or something like that, failing that you have to download and upload yourself using a ftp client i use filezilla. download the latest wordpress installation from wordpress.org and follow instructions there.
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        • Profile picture of the author moralesalberta
          I go for Joomla!

          I like its functionality, stability and for me user friendliness.
          Plugin, components, Templates are everywhere.
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          • Profile picture of the author baha baje
            Originally Posted by moralesalberta View Post

            I go for Joomla!

            I like its functionality, stability and for me user friendliness.
            Plugin, components, Templates are everywhere.
            So would you say it's easy to use for an HTML novice?
            Are the templates easy to personalise?
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  • Profile picture of the author NetVenturer
    Originally Posted by baha baje View Post

    Ok people,

    I've decided to design my web site myself (on a shoestring budget) and I'm looking at my options. Between Joomla!, WYSIWYG, XSite Pro and Site Build It!, which would you say is the best platform for someone with basic HTML knowledge who wants a nice looking but successful (i.e. high traffic and money generating) web site.

    (N.B. My web site is going to be an online magazine for young women.)
    SiteBuildIt - hands down.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    Another vote here for Wordpress, especially if you want to be able to create / edit your own themes.

    Template creation for Joomla is much more difficult as you have to use a series of css classes specific to Joomla. With Wordpress, you can basically setup your theme however you like, and then just plug in the pieces of code that tell it to communicate with Wordpress. Much easier and much more flexible.
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  • Profile picture of the author enterpryzman
    I am a design idiot, I know nothing about code, html,ftp, or the like. I can easily and quickly set up a word press site, install a theme, and make it look pretty decent.

    Trust me when I tell you, if I can do this....anyone can do it. After I set it up, if I have a designer creat a header and install it, you would swear it is a custom built site by a pro.

    Enterpryzman
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    • Profile picture of the author baha baje
      My host was suggesting I use drupal because he has experience with it and thus can help me. Plus, he was saying it makes it easier to set up for registered members. He admitted the templates from drupal are pretty plain. i told him there were wordpress templates I like and he said he could reconfigure them for drupal.

      any thoughts? my friend who has his own web site thinks joomla and drupal are stress and that wordpress slows down things if I want to have forums (which I do plan to include to help boost traffic and readership)
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  • Profile picture of the author fabcsaby
    I recommend Joomla!
    I'm using Joomla on most of my sites, and I think it was the best choice that I made working in the web design business.
    If you want to build a powerful site, use Joomla!
    Building a design (template) for it, you will need some css, html and php knowledge.

    If you want a professional, unique template, please contact me. I can make high quality joomla designs for very good price.
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  • Profile picture of the author LADWebDesign
    I use Joomla, but it has a steep learning curve, and I've been designing web sites for over 10 years. I agree with the recommendations for starting out with WordPress - templates are plentiful and fairly easy to change.

    However, if you are looking to have a "community web site" - either Joomla or BoonEx - Community Software Experts is the way to go.


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  • Profile picture of the author johnjimat
    i would do wordpress as it easy to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    It's true that Wordpress doesn't have any forum plugin or bridge like Joomla or Drupal does, but having worked a LOT with Joomla I still say go for Wordpress. The perks are just too good to pass up, especially the part where while your new Joomla site is languishing in the rankings, your Wordpress site will be zooming up the list and getting new content indexed almost immediately.

    If you need a forum, I'd say just go for phpBB or one of the other top forums. You would be primarily using Wordpress to post your articles, and there's a good chance you don't need people registering as users in your article posting area. You can just keep those memberships separate with a forum, dedicated as a members area.
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    • Profile picture of the author baha baje
      Originally Posted by Kezz View Post

      It's true that Wordpress doesn't have any forum plugin or bridge like Joomla or Drupal does, but having worked a LOT with Joomla I still say go for Wordpress. The perks are just too good to pass up, especially the part where while your new Joomla site is languishing in the rankings, your Wordpress site will be zooming up the list and getting new content indexed almost immediately.

      If you need a forum, I'd say just go for phpBB or one of the other top forums. You would be primarily using Wordpress to post your articles, and there's a good chance you don't need people registering as users in your article posting area. You can just keep those memberships separate with a forum, dedicated as a members area.
      This is a tricky decision. I want members on my site but it's not a social networking site like Facebook and I don't want the forum to be the only special feature for members. I want these to be members only: comment on articles, rate articles, sign up for newsletters, play games in the game room, submit content (subject to approval by admin) to certain sections (as well as posting on the forums). My friend who runs a forum said wordpress slows down everything when you try to use it for forums.
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      • Profile picture of the author Muhammad Jalloh
        Originally Posted by baha baje View Post

        This is a tricky decision. I want members on my site but it's not a social networking site like Facebook and I don't want the forum to be the only special feature for members. I want these to be members only: comment on articles, rate articles, sign up for newsletters, play games in the game room, submit content (subject to approval by admin) to certain sections (as well as posting on the forums). My friend who runs a forum said wordpress slows down everything when you try to use it for forums.
        Hi Baha,

        You can use Joomla to accomplish all that you have mentioned and more.

        As for integrating forums with your Joomla website, there are extensions (a lot of free ones) that help you to integrate phpBB3, vBulletin and other forum (software) types with your Joomla site.

        See Forum bridges - Joomla! Extensions Directory for some of these.

        It's true that Joomla has a steep learning curve, but it pays with a lot of flexibilty when you understand it as you can bend it to build virtually any type of website, including blogs, social networking sites, membership sites, and a whole lot more.

        All the best,
        Muhammad.
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        • Profile picture of the author baha baje
          Hi Muhhamad,
          Can you easily make widgets and personalize templates with joomla?
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          • Profile picture of the author Muhammad Jalloh
            Originally Posted by baha baje View Post

            Hi Muhhamad,
            Can you easily make widgets and personalize templates with joomla?
            You can personalize templates in Joomla. Most quality Joomla templates come with template-editing menu options that you can access from the admin area of your Joomla site. You can also edit the templates by accessing and changing the template's HTML, CSS and PHP codes from the admin area of your Joomla website.

            As for widgets, some popular ones already have Joomla-compliant versions created for them and available in the Joomla Extensions Directory. For others, you may have to create them yourself or have Joomla developers (some of whom may be on this forum) create them for you. If it is codable, it is doable in Joomla. I must say though, that I am not very proficient in programming and may not be able to help much in this regard.

            To see some of the extensions that are already available to you as a Joomla webmaster, visit the Home - Joomla! Extensions Directory .

            Let me know if you would need more help or clarification.

            All the best,
            Muhammad
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven W Johnson
    Build THREE sites (not one) one size RARELY fits all

    Blog - WordPress - this should be your first and it remains king of the hill for blogging

    Forum - SMF, vBulletin, or PHPBB3 (or modphpbb3) ( like modphpbb3, but all are great)

    Community - assuming you are going for membership or a state-of-art Web 3.0 interactive site, don't screw around with this one - use joomla, drupal, or leave all the rest behind and move up to Xaraya - you'll NEVER look back :-)

    Make sure all 3 run on TOTALLY SEPARATE Class C IP addresses (most hosts will look at you funny when you ask for this one) - your linking strategies and opportunities will increase manifold this way.
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    • Profile picture of the author baha baje
      Build THREE sites (not one) one size RARELY fits all

      Blog - WordPress - this should be your first and it remains king of the hill for blogging

      Forum - SMF, vBulletin, or PHPBB3 (or modphpbb3) ( like modphpbb3, but all are great)

      Community - assuming you are going for membership or a state-of-art Web 3.0 interactive site, don't screw around with this one - use joomla, drupal, or leave all the rest behind and move up to Xaraya - you'll NEVER look back :-)

      Make sure all 3 run on TOTALLY SEPARATE Class C IP addresses (most hosts will look at you funny when you ask for this one) - your linking strategies and opportunities will increase manifold this way.
      I actually have a blog on wordpress and it's cool but it's only a blog.
      If I really did 3 separate web sites, would they look uniform when I connect them?
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven W Johnson
        Originally Posted by baha baje View Post

        I actually have a blog on wordpress and it's cool but it's only a blog.
        If I really did 3 separate web sites, would they look uniform when I connect them?
        You can theme all of them to match and/or use branding mechanisms (a logo, for example) - like an organizational BADGE to gently remind visitors that they are within the same group or network of sites (I like that phrase: "site network") - I also tend to use the term "farm" a lot - to refer to a group of themed, linked, common-purpose sites, sometimes using identical technology among them (such as a blog or forum farm) and sometimes using disparate types of sites but all with a common theme or thread - operating within a single niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author Revolves
    Wordpress, Joomla and Drupal let you build websites and blogs and you do not have to pay to acquire these cms.

    Since you are on a shoestring budget xsitepro and site build it is out of question. Even if you have the money its better to put it in something else, like for advertising your site or link building etc..

    If you are looking to go custom then you can begin by using Visual Web Developer which is a free software from Microsoft.
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    • Profile picture of the author baha baje
      Originally Posted by Revolves View Post

      Wordpress, Joomla and Drupal let you build websites and blogs and you do not have to pay to acquire these cms.

      Since you are on a shoestring budget xsitepro and site build it is out of question. Even if you have the money its better to put it in something else, like for advertising your site or link building etc..

      If you are looking to go custom then you can begin by using Visual Web Developer which is a free software from Microsoft.
      If I use Visual Web Developer, would I be able to eventually transfer the site to one of those platforms (Drupal, Joomla etc)?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Moreno
    i would vote joomla - take a look at one of my clients sites of a similar niche: Chica Girl Magazine

    we did the site about 3 years ago and are in the process of doing a major upgrade

    template design is not that difficult you just need the right direction...

    this site handles around 3500+ users right now but we have other sites with many more users

    feel free to ask me any questions regarding joomla
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  • Profile picture of the author A. Caples
    I've used Site Build It, and can tell you that is easy to use and can jump start your web business but you will be paying $300/year. It's system has you geared towards generating traffic on specific keywords in a particular niche.

    If you are planning to make money from this site, I would suggest doing some research into the profitability of such a niche and find out exactly what information young women are looking for when searching the web.

    Since you know already the overall theme of your site - I would suggest building up a simple, easy to navigate site with Wordpress.

    And concentrate most of your energy on learning SEO and getting the clicks onto your site.

    Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Universal_Soul
    All os'es are crazy and evil for me - I stay as far as possible from it. I had one shop on joomla and it was more hassle then use of it. When you're good at it, and have loads of time - you cant use it. It's not stable and it's not reliable in my opinion. This is the issue probably with all open source platforms.
    I'd definitely suggest wordpress. you'll spend 100 times less times working with it - and it's the most flexible, yet reliable system out there
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven W Johnson
      Originally Posted by Universal_Soul View Post

      . When you're good at it...
      and THERE is the operative phrase. don't bother with an open source platform unless:

      a. you are somewhat geeky and prepared to INVEST some time in the learning curve

      or

      b. you have a team member who has ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE LEARNING CURVE

      or

      c. you have a relationship with a firm or developer who is comfortable with and uses the platform all the time (preferably for years, and preferably they build extensions for it)

      When you set these platforms up properly, and maintain them regularly (read: security updates), they can KICK BUTT - when you do NOT treat them like the business asset they are, they'll BITE YOU IN THE BUTT.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimbeam
    I would go with wordpress as its more customizable and you don't really need to know much php let alone html.
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  • Profile picture of the author b1ouva1k
    Hi, In my view Wordpress is the best option. It is easy to use, and are widely supported. There are numerous plugins that provide fantastic opportunities to promote your site...
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  • Profile picture of the author HomeBizNizz
    Drupal is harder to understand than WP and Joomla...
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  • Profile picture of the author always
    I've decided to design my web site myself (on a shoestring budget) and I'm looking at my options.
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  • Profile picture of the author Prospector
    I represent an organization that helps distressed homeowners and I have been following this Joomla / Wordpress conversation and I am leaning toward Wordpress. I was going to do it myself but due to the sheer volume right now I am not going to be able to do it myself.

    Anybody interested?
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  • Profile picture of the author patlondon
    Gotta go with Wordpress. Just installed brand new one in under 5 minutes- yes I cheated with fantastico. =) I used to use Frontpage and was so horrified with the % characters it added to my page urls that I bailed for XSpro. Then kept having troubles with various error messages and finally got desperate enough to try WP. Glad I did- love it! Joomla sites are beautiful...just couldn't get the hang of it!
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    • Profile picture of the author patlondon
      Originally Posted by Nick H View Post

      Just a shout out to everyone using WordPress...Be very careful when doing one click installs with Fantastico.

      That has to be the most insecure way to set up your WP installation. It is ok for "disposable" sites that you just want to throw up there quickly, but do not use it for money or "sticky" sites that you want to stay around for a while.

      Fantastico does a quick install for you, but it does not set up any of the security measures that are necessary to keep from being hacked. For instance, it allocates the "wp_" prefix to the WP table in MySQL...this is the default prefix, and the hackers know it and can take advantage of that.

      You will want to set up a custom prefix "YourRandomStringHere_" to be really secure. It is a lot harder to hack a MySQL database if you are using a random prefix.

      There are other security holes using a Fantastico install. Check on Google for "wordpress security" and similar phrases for some good guides on securing WordPress.

      PM me if you want specific addresses for online security guides and I will dig them out of the bookmarks for you.

      Cheers!
      Nick
      Well thanks Nick for creating my overwhelming need to stock up on Advil! :rolleyes: Seriously..I never thought there'd be a problem with this. Can a non-techie do such a fix or do I now have to hire someone to do this..?
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  • Profile picture of the author smartinfosys
    I would recommend Wordpress due to its fast implementation, easy to learn & SEO friendliness. WYSIWYG woulds be the second choice considering ease of use. Joomla would come last here bcos you have to manage it yourself althiugh Joomla has more punch & supports!
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  • Profile picture of the author jimbo21
    I love joomla. The amount of plugins and extensions for joomla are unbelievable and save a ton of time with programming.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Steel
    XSitePro - I love my options and what I can do. I was tired of paying a web designer to fix and test stuff (costing me $10 a change), so I got put onto XSitePro. I think it is easy and it gets the job done great. I created this: New - MRSA Treatment 'Silver Bullet' with it. You can customize templates and all. I guess you can say I like to be "in control" a bit more than others. But it is just as easy as typing out your message on word and publishing it if that's what you are looking for. I love it -

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  • Profile picture of the author dqman
    Yes, WP is easy to use. And the CMSs have a steep learning curve, and allow a forum.

    But I think a more important question to consider is, do these systems help you drive lots of traffic to your site?

    Considering a forum at this early date is putting the cart before the horse. You'll need lots of traffic before a forum is worth the management effort (finding moderators, clearing out spam, etc.).

    Site Build It!, which I use for two sites, provides several tools to help you get traffic to your site. It also teaches you the basics of how to write a content page that the search engines like and that humans will like.

    Just like in the offline world, where it's cheaper to keep a customer than it is to find a new one, it's much easier in the online world to get a visitor to come back than it is to find a new one. And your content is what has them returning again and again.

    One part of SBI that I really like is Content 2.0. I haven't added a single page to my site in almost 2 years, but my visitors have added 200 pages for me. Since I started using Content 2, my traffic is up about 40%, and all I've had to do is manage those 200 submissions, plus the comments they've all generated.

    If you want an easy-to-use system, with traffic-building tools, then you'll find SBI the best overall system.
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    • Profile picture of the author flipfl0p
      You can install a blog inside a wordpress that's what I know. Installing blogs inside your main website.

      But can it be done with joomla and wordpress??
      like the main website will use wordpress
      www.mysiteusingwordpress.com

      and my blog inside the site using joomla.

      blogusingjoomla.mysite.com

      Is that possible? a joomla inside a wordpress??
      If yes then that asnwers your quesiton baha baje

      but my suggestion??

      Wordpress a gift from the gods! Google likes wordpress. if you are aiming for rankings? go for wordpress.... compare and see the difference..

      Head and shoulders,
      Rayson
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      • Profile picture of the author casben79
        Rayson, what you are talking about could easily be done, using 2 databases, and just have the subdomain directory as a standalone joomla install, but that would mean building 2 custom themes, 1 for wordpress and 1 for joomla, 2 very different scenarios.

        You can customise the appearance of wordpress in any way you want to, it is not simply "blog" software, it is now a powerful, flexible, CMS, and much easier to use than joomla or drupal.

        Rock The Blue Ridge is a wordpress based site.

        I see no need to ever have a joomla/WP hybrid site.

        BTW, wordpress does have forum plugins, See this article: 5 Top WordPress Forum Plugins

        Cheers
        Ben
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    • Profile picture of the author StacyHolmes
      You guys -

      This is an ancient post, back from the dead. (I had to say that, Halloween's coming ) But just to set the record straight:

      Don't compare SBI to straight site builders and CMS. It's for building a business and creating traffic.

      Happy Halloween, all!
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  • Profile picture of the author Byrt M
    I am more of content guy - so for me its Wordpress. My aim is always to keep the techie stuff at minimal and maximize my time on content. So its a WP vote for me
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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    Originally Posted by baha baje View Post

    Ok people,

    I've decided to design my web site myself (on a shoestring budget) and I'm looking at my options. Between Joomla!, WYSIWYG, XSite Pro and Site Build It!, which would you say is the best platform for someone with basic HTML knowledge who wants a nice looking but successful (i.e. high traffic and money generating) web site.

    (N.B. My web site is going to be an online magazine for young women.)

    Joomla. Period.

    Wordpress is good too, especially for beginners who may not have time to learn Joomla.

    But I would strongly advise against designing your own website. That would be the worst thing you could do especially if you are trying to start an online magazine LOL and actually compete in your target market. Really you need a large budget and a team of designers, programmers, and writers.
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  • Profile picture of the author DuaneZ
    I would suggest using Word Press as your main platform as it is very versatile and there are so many plugins that will take care of all your needs. There is so many great WSO's to help you with learning how to set things up and performing SEO to get you site going.

    I started with SBI and even though they have a great platform and many awesome tools only available internally, but the knock is once you get a hang of SEO and building sites you will want to move you site as I did. That is not as easy as you would think with SBI, basically all they did was start the URL transfer and that is all. They can not give you your content files to transfer all the content so I had to get a scrape of the content and then rebuild all the pages on the Word Press platform.

    So with that said I really enjoy creating sites now with Word Press and will never use anything else.

    I hope this helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author StacyHolmes
      "once you get a hang of SEO and building sites you will want to move you site as I did"

      I disagree with this statement. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, of course, but I'm address what reads like insinuation and is untrue.

      I would not dream of moving my SBI site because it would crash it. Wordpress does not have the tools to support my site and I make too much off my traffic to jeopardize it.

      There are SBI tools that WordPress doesn't even come close to, regardless of how many plugs are available. If you just want a site builder or if you want to create something newsy -- or if you're just into the "free" route, then go for it. But out of the box, SBI does much more than WordPress and my SBI sites outperform my non-SBI sites. Period.

      Just goes to show: there's two sides to every story.
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