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Content management systems - the best, the easiest?

by MarkR
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I have had an issue for a long time that I still need solved.

I have clients that have basic HTML sites that have a need to be able to change blocks of copy and photos without knowing HTML, or an HTML editor, or FTP, etc. A simple Wordpress style interface would be acceptable. It has to be very inexpensive (<$300) and have at least the copy editing, photo replacement features.

Any ideas about how to either code this function, or software to purchase that is 1) simple enough for a non-techie client to use and 2) has those basic features?

Thanks!

Mark
#content #easiest #management #systems
  • Profile picture of the author rwil02
    DotNetNuke, Or something like Joomla/PHPNuke or PostNuke. All free I believe.
    They do require a database + files to be set up.
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  • Profile picture of the author xeocop
    i have two options for you.

    1. CMS made simple www.cmsmadesimple.org
    2. CUTEPHP www.cutephp.com

    first one is free and cutephp is free but you can buy full version for very cheap price, both SEO friendly with minimal changes and light weight!

    try it .
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    • Profile picture of the author dar
      Cushy CMS looks like it could fit your needs perfectly. I haven't used it myself, but the intro video is impressive.

      Free and simple CMS CushyCMS

      By the way it looks like it's free unless you want to have your client see "Mark's Web Design" instead of "CushyCMS".
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      • Profile picture of the author MarkR
        Dar,

        CushyCMS looks excellent. Other than being a hosted app (which does make it's use 110X easier), it looks like what I need. I wanted to stay away from MySQL databases and all the administration/setup that goes into them. This is a much more versatile / easy to implement solution.

        Mark
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        • Profile picture of the author xeocop
          just addition, cushy cms is hosted, u will be in trouble as a developer basis if there sever goes down, without a notification. but if you know web hoster you have less risk

          also, cutephp, doesn't need any MYSQL database. it's flat file CMS. but i agree with your point it's far more easy to impliment.

          good luck with CMS searching...!
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          • Profile picture of the author dar
            Originally Posted by xeocop View Post

            just addition, cushy cms is hosted, u will be in trouble as a developer basis if there sever goes down, without a notification. but if you know web hoster you have less risk

            also, cutephp, doesn't need any MYSQL database. it's flat file CMS. but i agree with your point it's far more easy to impliment.

            good luck with CMS searching...!
            Xeocop misunderstands how it works here.

            CushyCMS asks for the ftp details when you set up the site. So it uploads the files to your server. If their server goes down, your client won't be able to edit their website(without your help), but otherwise your site only relies on your own servers/hosting provider.

            -darek
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  • Profile picture of the author BrainDance
    Joomla is fabulous, its the only CMS I use personally. for a client with a low, no or even large budget, it is your best bet.
    Joomla is free, there are literally hundreds of free plugins and templates.
    most hosts with Cpanel and fantastico have one click install, there is a learning curve, but once you get it..you got it!
    Plus a client can update the site from any browser, either right in the site itself or from the admin area.. Happy to answer any questions if you need help.
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  • Profile picture of the author susansan
    My recommendation is Expression Engine. I did extensive research and tested many CMS's about a year ago and EE is the best- I LOVE it! ExpressionEngine - Publish Your Universe!
    It's $200 for a commercial license and $99 for personal/non-profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author kidino
    If you are looking for a hosted solution that you can brand to yourself, you can try Cushy like dar pointed out. Also take a look at SiteKreator...

    SiteKreator.com - Professional web site creation solution. - Home

    Free and simple CMS CushyCMS

    All the best ... let us know how it goes...
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkR
      A bunch of great ideas! You guys always come through.

      CushyCMS seems to fit the bill. While it's certainly not the most full featured, I don't need anything full featured. My most important requirements are "dead easy" for non-techie clients to use and very quick to implement. I put a few class statements, set up an account and It's ready to go. All I care about is letting my clients edit text and images.

      ModX, CutePHP and others seem very viable, just more of a learning curve than my clients want to endure. In my case, it will be clients using the CMS, not me. So, that's my main consideration.

      Thanks again!

      Mark
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      • Profile picture of the author ripsnorta2
        Why not Wordpress?

        It has all the plugin support to do what you ask, as well as a WYSIWYG interface for editing pages. You don't have to use it as a blog, but can set up pages as static pages. And it's free.
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        • Profile picture of the author MarkR
          John,

          Thanks. I have already existing HTML-based websites. I'm not aware how Wordpress (which I love) or Joomla (as another Warrior suggested) could be used for an existing HTML website. My clients can't afford to re-design the sites in Wordpress just to get the ability to edit parts of them.


          My requirements are:
          1. Ability to edit blocks of text and change photos (no redesign or creation of web pages)
          2. Must be free or very inexpensive (+-$300 or less)
          3. Incredibly easy interface for non-technical users (business owners - my clients) to operate with very little learning curve and no knowledge of HTML
          4. Must be easily integrated into pre-existing (and new) HTML-based websites
          Please enlighten me, as I'd love to use Wordpress if it can work with existing HTML sites.

          Mark
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          • Profile picture of the author ripsnorta2
            Hi Mark,

            I'm sorry, I missed your comment to Linda regarding Joomla. Yes, you're right, I don't think you would be able to integrate WP into a static site the way that you are looking for.

            Another possible option for you could be to use desktop application, a HTML editor perhaps, that allows the user to edit and make changes with ease, as well as handling all the uploading to the server. You might be able to find a decent tool within your price range.

            I don't have any suggestions here though since I tend to use text editors and FTP if I'm not using Wordpress.
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          • Profile picture of the author Will Lee
            Originally Posted by MarkR View Post

            Thanks. I have already existing HTML-based websites. I'm not aware how Wordpress (which I love) or Joomla (as another Warrior suggested) could be used for an existing HTML website. My clients can't afford to re-design the sites in Wordpress just to get the ability to edit parts of them.


            My requirements are:
            1. Ability to edit blocks of text and change photos (no redesign or creation of web pages)
            2. Must be free or very inexpensive (+-$300 or less)
            3. Incredibly easy interface for non-technical users (business owners - my clients) to operate with very little learning curve and no knowledge of HTML
            4. Must be easily integrated into pre-existing (and new) HTML-based websites
            Please enlighten me, as I'd love to use Wordpress if it can work with existing HTML sites.
            For existing static websites and a word processor like editor for clients to use, I'd suggest you take a look at Adobe Contribute.

            As you can tell, it's supported by one of the biggest names in computer software and the emphasis of the application is on ease of use for the user. No HTML knowledge is required because it works just like a word processor.

            Check out the features presentation.

            Another suggestion would be to have a look at Interspire's WebEdit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amsterdam
    Another vote for CMS Made Simple here. I've used it for quite a few sites now and find editing the template to suit is very straightforward.

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    • Profile picture of the author MarkR
      T,

      Thanks. CMS Made Simple looks like a great alternative for my bigger clients (bigger budgets). The time it takes me to implement/configure it is chargeable to the client, so I have to factor those costs in to.

      I spent 10 minutes, signed up for and implemented CushyCMS (for this very small client - read "low budget") and it works flawlessly. Keeping in mind that it is very limited in features, it fit the bill perfectly. All I needed was to let the client modify text and images, and it does that well.

      Mark
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      • Profile picture of the author Amsterdam
        Originally Posted by MarkR View Post

        I spent 10 minutes, signed up for and implemented CushyCMS (for this very small client - read "low budget") and it works flawlessly. Keeping in mind that it is very limited in features, it fit the bill perfectly. All I needed was to let the client modify text and images, and it does that well.
        Mark
        Just checked out CushyCMS and it is perfect for adding editing functionality to an existing site without too much hassle

        T
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        • Profile picture of the author Jim M
          for clients with little techie knowledge the best bet is Joomla - you can set up a super site, even if you need to buy a suitable template for their site - it's worth it.

          Once your finished the site - do a few camtasias to show them how to update things, just today I was with a client I built a small site for and she can update pages add pics etc all on her own - even being a self confessed non techie person.

          Joomla every time for this type of client.

          - or you could always get them to shell out for xSitePro 2 and once you've done the main site for them - plug them into my xsitepro 2 video tutorials :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author agent_whitehat
    I prefer to use wordpress for this situation. I have been developing themes for wordpress for more than a year now. Most of my works are using wordpress for blogs but recently I started using wordpress as a CMS.

    Wordpress has this potential. I have created some sites for my customers with wordpress as a CMS. I am developing my own video sharing site with wordpress as a CMS which is to be launched in October. So in my opinion wordpress is best suited for this situation.

    If you need my help in this, let me know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ralf Skirr
    For clients with low technical abilities we usually do a wordpress install and disable as much unnecessary stuff as possible, i.e. give them editor access so they don't have to deal with admin features.

    In most of these cases creating pages instead of posts is the way to go. They easily learn how to use the wysiwyg editor on those existing pages. If for some reasons posts are used, stickiness can reduce confusion. :-)

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    • Profile picture of the author Pindich
      Originally Posted by Ralf Skirr View Post

      For clients with low technical abilities we usually do a wordpress install and disable as much unnecessary stuff as possible, i.e. give them editor access so they don't have to deal with admin features.

      In most of these cases creating pages instead of posts is the way to go. They easily learn how to use the wysiwyg editor on those existing pages. If for some reasons posts are used, stickiness can reduce confusion. :-)

      Ralf
      Hi Ralf,

      How do you give them editor access and can they continue to create pages by themselves?
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      • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
        Originally Posted by Pindich View Post

        Hi Ralf,

        How do you give them editor access and can they continue to create pages by themselves?
        Instead of reviving a 2 yrs old thread... why don't look around the the WP admin panel (hint: Users) and in the documentation: Roles and Capabilities « WordPress Codex
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    Never listen anyone..just go for wordpress.Wordpress is best for SEO & easy to use !
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    • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
      Originally Posted by BigBossPassion View Post

      Never listen anyone..just go for wordpress.Wordpress is best for SEO & easy to use !
      I could show you 8 serious SEO flaws with Wordpress.

      The worst being that your home page is duplicate content of 4+ of your other pages.

      Hostgator shut my account temporarily because wordpress was using 200 something requests or something regarding RSS feeds and cron jobs??

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      • Profile picture of the author ryanstreet
        You may not need the features of Drupal, Joomla, or other bigger CMS systems now, but you never know what your site may require in the future. Did you think myspace needed everything it has now when it first started? No.

        I recommend Drupal personally. It isn't the best for initial setup, but once it is active, you have, by far, the most versatile, flexible, extensible CMS there is. That is why huge corporations, (i.e. P&G, <--No Joke, i did a site for them in drupal) use drupal. Sure it seems heavy now, but when you have to suddenly add video upload ability, a forum, etc. you will be so grateful you used it, because adding those features will (literally) be a button click.

        Installation and setup can be a bit overwhelming, but if you need help, just let me know. Just take a look at my Sig. I can help you if you need it.

        Hope this helps!
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Gatica
          check out CMS from Scratch, free lightweight Open-Source PHP & AJAX content management system opensource free and seems easy to use.
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          • Profile picture of the author MarkR
            Warriors,

            Well, this thread has turned into a wonderful source of information for content management systems. Thanks for all the ideas and comments.

            The original intent of thread seems to have been missed though. I wanted to know what is the easiest CMS to install and use on an existing HTML site. WordPress (which I love), Joomla, Drupal ,etc. etc. are all very good at what what they do, but can't be integrated into and existing HTML site as far as I know.

            I challenge anyone to find something better than CushyCMS. It seems to meet my requirements:
            1. Ability to edit blocks of text and change photos (no redesign or creation of web pages)
            2. Must be free or very inexpensive (+-$300 or less)
            3. Incredibly easy interface for non-technical users (business owners - my clients) to operate with very little learning curve and no knowledge of HTML
            4. Must be easily integrated into pre-existing (and new) HTML-based websites
            Thanks again for all the help on this. You guys always come through.

            Mark
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            • Profile picture of the author ryanstreet
              Not to step on your idea of CushyCMS and all, Mark, but it is no better than completely migrating over your entire site to a CMS.

              At least with a migration you wouldn't have to dive into the code and change EVERY HTML tag on EVERY PAGE you want to be editable to your users, which is what Cushy has to do.

              The most this will probably cost you is around $100-$150 max, and that is for site setup, template change, data migration, user account setup and control, and a bell and whistle or two.

              I honestly feel that clients will feel better logging in to their OWN url instead of some random other one, which they will have trouble with, forget the name of, etc.

              The reason i feel you are having trouble finding a solution to this problem is that you might be asking the wrong question.

              I could set up a custom CMS for you. It would be lightweight, template driven site for you so you could have editable regions of your page and user account control for your clients. I could do it for $300 or less too!

              It would be plug and play, put in your template once, put in your data once, (less time than to change 3/4 of all tags on all of your pages with Cushy), and set your user access level and you are riding in style man!! I could even do it for you!

              If you want something like this done, don't hesitate to PM me or even check out the link in my signature.

              I hope i didn't offend and I hope I could be of some help.

              Sincerely,

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              • Profile picture of the author MarkR
                Ryan,

                You'd have to go a lot further than that to offend me!

                Sounds like you know more about CMS's than I do. Cushy was very easy for me and the client. Your solution may be even better, easier, etc. I'd have to see it in action. PM me if you have any demo's I could see.

                I'm no wizard, but I can get Cushy up on every page of a 8-10 page site and set up the designer/editor privileges in about 60-90 minutes. Total cost to my client, maybe $100-$150 or so. If you can beat that, we gotta talk. I'd love to hear more.

                Mark
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            • Profile picture of the author joneq
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              Try Editwrx wwwdoteditwrxdotcom As simple as it gets and just the ticket for what you need

              With Modxcms it is very simple to port any existing html site. look in the modx wikki..Modx is the best free one--however it is in transition just now so it may not be the best choice for you at this moment

              try editwrx not free but cheap
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            • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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              Originally Posted by MarkR View Post

              Warriors,

              Well, this thread has turned into a wonderful source of information for content management systems. Thanks for all the ideas and comments.

              The original intent of thread seems to have been missed though. I wanted to know what is the easiest CMS to install and use on an existing HTML site. WordPress (which I love), Joomla, Drupal ,etc. etc. are all very good at what what they do, but can't be integrated into and existing HTML site as far as I know.

              I challenge anyone to find something better than CushyCMS. It seems to meet my requirements:
              1. Ability to edit blocks of text and change photos (no redesign or creation of web pages)
              2. Must be free or very inexpensive (+-$300 or less)
              3. Incredibly easy interface for non-technical users (business owners - my clients) to operate with very little learning curve and no knowledge of HTML
              4. Must be easily integrated into pre-existing (and new) HTML-based websites
              Thanks again for all the help on this. You guys always come through.

              Mark

              I am a big proponent for Joomla myself. It is so dynamic you can do anything with it including integrate existing sites. Plus any decent host has 1-click installers.

              THat being said, Joomla and Drupal probably have to two highest learning curves of any CMS. So if you are looking for ease of use and a low learning curve for you and your clients, I would definitely check out a simpler CMS.
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              • Profile picture of the author MarkR
                Jason, thanks. Wow, this is an old thread! LOL

                Ya, I needed "dead easy" (short learning curve) and Joomla/Drupal didn't qualify. I never found anything easier that CushyCMS. It worked great, dead easy, and the price was right.

                Nowadays I've moved to WordPress for quite a few reasons.
                • There are tons of video tutorials available (that (I have made or bought on WF) I sell access to them to my customers).
                • It's become a standard, very broadly accepted/used.
                • I use it to develop most of my client's sites because it's so fast (and therefore cheaper for them).
                • So many people already know the interface that it's easy to find / train people to maintain the sites.
                • The price is right.
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        Originally Posted by Louis Raven View Post

        I could show you 8 serious SEO flaws with Wordpress.

        The worst being that your home page is duplicate content of 4+ of your other pages.

        Hostgator shut my account temporarily because wordpress was using 200 something requests or something regarding RSS feeds and cron jobs??

        Louis
        hmmm..I have used WordPress for several years...you are not penalized for duplicate content, using WordPress.
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  • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
    Drupal and Joomla are so heavy for such a small job of editing pics/text.

    I've set a reward at my forum for help pointing to the best CMS knowing full well none can stop producing DUPLICATE url's, permission to add KEYWORD url's etc etc.

    Your best bet and I'm sure most will agree is to have someone custom build the CMS for you without all the extra server load and features that come with Joomla/Drupal.

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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    I build all my sites with content controls for the clients in the admin area. I personally dont use any free scripts.. I give my clients content control on all sites I build so they can change certain aspects of their sites.

    I make all forms html enabled but does not require any knowledge of html. If you are wanting some content controls for your clients sites then it is best to just have a small admin interface built for it instead of using a bulky script..

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  • Profile picture of the author onlinemarketer
    drupal and joomla are the best, well that's what i think... but seriously they are pretty good, check it out
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    I also agree with Contribute. But I also wanted to open your eyes to LightCMS, a content management system for web designers. Design sites, upload them to our content management system,and deploy world-class websites your clients can manage themselves.

    Beware of CMSMadeSimple. It is friggin' slow. Next version promises faster performance. Even on a VPS the performance is unacceptable.
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  • Profile picture of the author kidino
    BlueSquares, it's funny that you mentioned LightCMS because I am considering my options for CMS for web designers. Right now I am looking at SiteKreator.com and looking around for other options. Care to share your experience?
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  • Profile picture of the author UncleHQ
    Hi,

    The easiest Content Management System that I use goes to Contepass but it is a little over your stated price range.

    Within your price range, my vote goes to EZ Content Manager - depending on when this post is read - Big Mike has a WSO running on it.

    I also use Joomla (for most of my sites) and will be testing out a new script that I picked up called Turbo Remote HTML which allows password protected access to normal pages in order to edit and update them (looking forward to that one).

    Brian
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  • Profile picture of the author mergemedia
    I personally prefer Joomla and Wordpress. Lots of useful plugins for both.
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  • Profile picture of the author puzon23
    I agree that Drupal is great but I simply could not deal with the learning curve. I'm not that technically challenged but I was short on time and needed something up and running quickly and I gotta say that Joomla was the answer. Maybe less powerful than Drupal but still has many great options and modules for it and it was a breeze comparing to Drupal.
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  • Profile picture of the author kidino
    Guys, I agree that Drupal is a great, well-coded CMS. In many cases, I would go with Drupal. WordPress is awesome too... I can customize WordPress into so many things...

    But I think, going back to why this thread is here, it's not about which is the best CMS, but rather which is the best CMS for your clients. Having said that, I am thinking... dead-easy, idiot-proof and no learning curve required.

    These has been mentioned, but why not a summary up to this point ... SiteKreator, CushyCMS, LightCMS

    Of course, porting your existing site to those is a different story.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkR
      Kidino,

      Yep, you get it. As you said, the original point of this thread was to get ideas for a CMS that was 1) simple to use for non-technical customers, 2) inexpensive and 3) could be used on existing HTML sites.

      While WordPress, Joomla, Drupal etc. are all great CMS tools, I don't believe they can be integrated into and existing HTML site.

      I have yet to see a CMS that fits this bill better than CushyCMS. It excels in all areas (for my needs anyway). It's not full featured, but then that's why it is so easy for customers to use. And "installation" is measured in minutes, not hours.

      And there's no "porting" necessary. You just 1) add your customer as an editor in CushyCMS and then 2) add a CSS style to every block of copy you want your customers to be able to edit and you're done.

      Thanks for clarifying this thread for everyone.

      Mark
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      • Profile picture of the author kidino
        I've been Googling again and I found out about website builders that could be available in your CPanel or your current hosting. If anybody are familiar with any of this, do share...

        1 - RV Site Builder
        2 - Soho Launch
        3 - SiteReptile

        Or maybe you have experience with any other hosting-provided website builder.
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        • Profile picture of the author MarkR
          Every hosting company I've used has a WYSIWYG site builder in it. Sometimes two. I have one customer using a site builder so he can modify his own content. It's crude, but effective. They're very easy to use, but they are database driven, so you don't have a lot of control over meta tags, and the code is not transferable to other hosters. They usually have a lot of pretty nice templates to choose from too. Makes throwing up a simple squeeze page or a simple site real easy! Lots of pros, but some cons to. Depends on what you really need to do!

          Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author vishalhd
    joomla could do. Or you can check Drupal or even mambo. All of them are super powerful, Drupal is rather easy, but Joomla has a bit of a learning curve. Drupal is quite good, I would recommend drupal (but my heart's with wordpress ) , All of these CMS-es are completely free and open-source! So enjoy!
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  • Profile picture of the author Limotek
    I think Wordpress is a great CMS for beginners as it's simple to install and get started quickly. If you need a bit more functionality then I would recommend Joomla.

    For both, it's very easy to change the style & appearance by downloading and installing layout templates.
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  • Profile picture of the author tkhowse
    I would strongly recommend that you check out Concrete5. It is a free open source content management system that is easy to use - even for non-technical users. Personally, I have been blown away by the simplicity of their content management system and the ease of use for non-technical users.

    For example, in June, when I was working with my Mom to design a new site, AutismLighthouse.com (which was built using Concrete5), she found the CMS to be very simple and easy to use. This is rare, since most content management systems (including Drupal and Joomla) are perceived to be complicated by people that I have worked with to design websites.

    Just my 2 cents worth.
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  • Profile picture of the author weaveronline
    Wordpress is simple and easy to implement even for beginners!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicklas12
    wordpress or joomla!
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    • Profile picture of the author geekspeak
      Has anyone seen a CMS system like LightCMS that's got cheaper hosting? I love their system but at US$19 per month it's not viable to resell and make a profit every month.
      I want a CMS that's as easy to use and is self hosted.
      Cheers - Toby
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  • Profile picture of the author nickhatton
    All about Drupal for me. Lots of useful modules out there and a very flexible system.
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