How Much Would A Website Like This Cost?

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I'm doing marketing and communications for a startup company with great potential, and the thing that is holding us back right now is our website. Got the green light to go ahead and get one done, but the budget is low. The person who is supposed to be helping me is insisting that we need a $15,000 website and I think (1) it's BS and (2) it's not going to happen.

So, I'm searching for alternatives and browsing around looking for good design, and I found this:

creativeartsinitiative.org (the forum isn't letting me post a link, as I haven't posted sufficiently here yet)


We would want something very similar to this. I don't need or want Flash. I would need a blog on the site, and I'd like some kind of basic CMS so that I could update the press room as need be. Also, budget permitting, I'd like to have the option of English and Spanish.

Is my advisor correct? Would this cost $15,000? My apologies if this is a stupid question, I've never been involved in the technical end of website development before. We're creating our own content and we have our own graphic designer in house, so it's the architecture I'm looking for.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    Originally Posted by NancyEGS View Post

    I'm doing marketing and communications for a startup company with great potential, and the thing that is holding us back right now is our website. Got the green light to go ahead and get one done, but the budget is low. The person who is supposed to be helping me is insisting that we need a $15,000 website and I think (1) it's BS and (2) it's not going to happen.

    So, I'm searching for alternatives and browsing around looking for good design, and I found this:

    creativeartsinitiative.org (the forum isn't letting me post a link, as I haven't posted sufficiently here yet)


    We would want something very similar to this. I don't need or want Flash. I would need a blog on the site, and I'd like some kind of basic CMS so that I could update the press room as need be. Also, budget permitting, I'd like to have the option of English and Spanish.

    Is my advisor correct? Would this cost $15,000? My apologies if this is a stupid question, I've never been involved in the technical end of website development before. We're creating our own content and we have our own graphic designer in house, so it's the architecture I'm looking for.
    The site seems to have a few special effects on it, but in my honest opinion I do not believe that you would need to spend even 7,000 to get a site like that.

    Personally I believe that there are several developers on this forum who would gladly tackle your project for much less money than what you have been told.

    I unfortunately cannot develop wordpress cms type sites, I sure can manipulate them though, graphics and all, but developing from scratch is one of my future goals.

    I plan on getting to the point of not only being able to manipulate and do all custom graphics but being able to develop wordpress sites.

    I have built my share of sites so far, but nothing too technically challenging, my area of expertise right now is more along the lines of mini-sites, landing pages, squeeze pages, video squeeze pages and custom graphics plus using already developed WP blog themes to design websites.

    The little tricks that you like and the graphics on that site are really where the most work will be, because in order to get a fullscale site that looks visually appealing with all the elements and colors and graphics takes some pre-planning for sure. You should already know what you want it to look like exactly before you start that way the coder can code to accomodate your design idea.

    Of course the above is just my opinion but I think most people will agree that 15,000 is out of the ballpark, not that people do not charge that much and get it, but that you can get it for less if you know the right people and where to look and I think you are in the right place for that.

    I would make sure that you get someone that has a good reputation on this forum and someone whom people would recommend.

    I do know a wordpress developer who has a great reputation on this forum, if you would like to know who, please P.M. me and I will give you their user name and you can contact them personally. Believe me this person is extremely good at developing wordpress sites and with programming of all sorts which is what you want in a developer.......
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    • Profile picture of the author sparkingproducts
      Hey Nancy,

      I can help you out. I am a specialized wordpress developer and would be willing to work with you on this. Wordpress is a CMS that will make your life easy after the site is designed, and you will be able to make changes on your own. No I won't charge anywhere near $15,000. The guy above is correct, that's absurd.

      PM me and we'll go from there

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  • Profile picture of the author dilipkm
    Hey Nancy,
    we can help you out with very reasonable price..pls pm me
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  • Profile picture of the author NancyEGS
    Hi guys, thanks so much for the responses! As I just joined (have been lurking for months but had no reason to post before this-- what a great community full of knowledgeable and helpful people!), I don't have the ability to send PMs yet, but I'd love to talk to you about this further. Please PM me with another way to get in touch with you and we'll go from there. (EWGQDD, I did get your PM and emailed you in response, thank you!)

    I'm rather relieved to hear that my instincts were right on this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author CarloD.
      The site is flash based....i would never want to have a strict flash based site...

      There was no keyword tag, when you view the source its just some script... I didn't look to much into it, but seem really bad for SEO.

      No point on having that fancy of a site really... i would recommend using some fancy effects with prototype or scriptaculous ... or one of the libraries... rather than having a full flash website.

      i would say between 5000-7000 to get something like that done.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Nancy, I got your email and responded back already with the information you need.... check your personal email inbox.

      Have a great day!

      All the best,
      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Aegir
    Pure flash websites fail for 3 main reasons,
    - they are hard to update
    - they are aweful for seo.
    - flash support is terrible on mobiles phones, 1 in 4 website visitors nowadays accesses by a mobile device.

    Most companies make the mistake of thinking that a website is simply the internet version of their traditional offline marketing.

    6 Key Things

    1. Some of the real opportunities the internet offers are:
    - constructing a business asset
    - collaboration tool
    - having a conversation & tracking it
    - providing a relevant timely message to the visitor
    - branding
    - establishing and demonstrating your expertise
    - testing message to market match

    2. Cost of having website created is no indication of what it will cost you to own that website.
    - lots of people host their datafiles on amazons s3 service for file storage however lots of those people forget to actually lockdown access so anyone can get access to anything stored in their bucket.
    - people allow the domain name of the website to be purchased by someone other than themselves. The domain name is a vital business asset which you should have control of.

    3. CMS's are not all created equal.
    - Once you leave something open source & popular like drupal, wordpress or joomla for something that is bespoke you encounter some real issues the most common of which:
    - your data is not easily moved to another CMS
    - security fixes are not readily available
    - often designed with the idea that you have a dedicated technical savvy person on staff to keep it up and running.

    4. Just because you have a website does not mean you will get a return on investment from it
    5. Most websites are not adequately backed up

    6. Performance of the web host and the server which runs your website is important.
    - googles search results order is determined in part by how quickly a website loads
    - website being down for extended periods of time
    - the more stuff a webpage actually does put mores load on the server which hosts the site, if the server is a shared hosted type you can easily break the website simply because the webpage is not rendered to the viewer in time before things start timing out.

    If you wish to build a asset for the business then give me a PM i can email you a questionaire i use with my clients to help focus on getting a website asset created.

    Roger
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    • Profile picture of the author NancyEGS
      Originally Posted by Aegir View Post

      Pure flash websites fail for 3 main reasons,
      - they are hard to update
      - they are aweful for seo.
      - flash support is terrible on mobiles phones, 1 in 4 website visitors nowadays accesses by a mobile device.

      Most companies make the mistake of thinking that a website is simply the internet version of their traditional offline marketing.

      6 Key Things

      1. Some of the real opportunities the internet offers are:
      - constructing a business asset
      - collaboration tool
      - having a conversation & tracking it
      - providing a relevant timely message to the visitor
      - branding
      - establishing and demonstrating your expertise
      - testing message to market match

      2. Cost of having website created is no indication of what it will cost you to own that website.
      - lots of people host their datafiles on amazons s3 service for file storage however lots of those people forget to actually lockdown access so anyone can get access to anything stored in their bucket.
      - people allow the domain name of the website to be purchased by someone other than themselves. The domain name is a vital business asset which you should have control of.

      3. CMS's are not all created equal.
      - Once you leave something open source & popular like drupal, wordpress or joomla for something that is bespoke you encounter some real issues the most common of which:
      - your data is not easily moved to another CMS
      - security fixes are not readily available
      - often designed with the idea that you have a dedicated technical savvy person on staff to keep it up and running.

      4. Just because you have a website does not mean you will get a return on investment from it
      5. Most websites are not adequately backed up

      6. Performance of the web host and the server which runs your website is important.
      - googles search results order is determined in part by how quickly a website loads
      - website being down for extended periods of time
      - the more stuff a webpage actually does put mores load on the server which hosts the site, if the server is a shared hosted type you can easily break the website simply because the webpage is not rendered to the viewer in time before things start timing out.

      If you wish to build a asset for the business then give me a PM i can email you a questionaire i use with my clients to help focus on getting a website asset created.

      Roger
      Hi Roger. You bring up some interesting points. I'm not looking for a Flash website per se; in fact, I'm against Flash for the reasons you mentioned. I was referring to this site as an example of general good aesthetic design (I know nothing about the architecture, which is why I'm here) and as an example of the number and types of pages I'd need.

      We have control of our domain name and storage so I'm not too worried about that. (We have an existing website already that was built by our IT guy but he doesn't have the time to do the redesign.)

      The CMS being easy to use is an issue, as you noted, because I will need to update content without the IT guy. But open-source is important too because we don't have the budget at this time to go all-out.

      We're not looking for direct ROI from the website. What we're looking for is to establish a professional-looking presence that will enable us to approach potential strategic partners and be taken seriously. I am envisioning this primarily as a branding opportunity.

      As noted above, I'm unable to PM you because I just started posting in the forum-- have to make 50 posts before I'm allowed to do that. Please feel free to PM me with contact information so I can get in touch with you another way.

      Thanks,


      Nancy
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  • Profile picture of the author Aegir
    PM sent or you can just send me a email to address on my profile page

    Something i did miss in my list which i blame on it being 4am when i typed it was consider the users.

    Different users have different needs its vital to design something that works with the user and not against them

    Roger
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  • Profile picture of the author luminousnerd
    Fairly simple site, as has been stated it's a really bad idea to build a site in all-flash, but a very similar site could easily be built with good ol' HTML and CSS (with some Jquery for the effects). Unless I'm missing something huge about the functionality, it seems like a relatively simple site. If I built something like this it would probably be around $2000.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Remember to make sure that if you decide to use someone from the WF that they have a good reputation on this forum.

      Just a bit of advice and I think that pretty much anyone on here would agree with me, unless they are new and trying to get hired.
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  • Profile picture of the author luminousnerd
    If you're referring to me, I did just sign up today, I'm not trying to get you to hire me, I don't have much time at the moment anyway. Just trying to answer your question the best way I know how, as far as I can see I don't see anything that would cost $14,000 or anywhere near it.

    I could also be missing some major functionality but to me it looks like a basic information site with a contact form?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Originally Posted by luminousnerd View Post

      If you're referring to me, I did just sign up today, I'm not trying to get you to hire me, I don't have much time at the moment anyway. Just trying to answer your question the best way I know how, as far as I can see I don't see anything that would cost $14,000 or anywhere near it.

      I could also be missing some major functionality but to me it looks like a basic information site with a contact form?
      Nope, not reffering specifically to you, just trying to help out the OP, with wise information, thats all....
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  • Profile picture of the author NancyEGS
    Thanks, Steve, I will definitely keep that in mind, as this is a highly knowledgeable group and any advice I've received here so far (via lurking) has been tremendously helpful. (I found you all because I was looking for reviews on the various press release distribution sites. What I learned here saved me a huge amount of time and got me a key trade publication placement for one of my press releases. I hope to return the favor by posting the results of a little study I'm doing on how effective each one of them is after I've tried each one that was recommended here.)
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    • Profile picture of the author seekyt
      First, try modx

      You also might like CMSMS

      (sorry, I can't post links yet, not enough posts).


      There are also a lot of other great CMS platforms that you can go with, but I believe both of those are free or cheap.

      It doesn't take too much skill to work with CMS platforms since you can download themes and modules and add-ons to make the site totally custom, but having something COMPLETELY unique, i.e. your own CMS platform built from the ground up, is where that $15K figure is coming from.

      You should be able to make a totally great website for around $200-$1,000 a year, depending on your hosting and your customization needs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aesira
    From what I've seen, there's no reason for a site like this to cost $15,000 unless you like throwing money out the window (or I'm seriously missing something). I don't even understand why the company made a Flash site that looks like a WordPress site. Interesting choice. At any rate, you can get something really comparable from $1500 to about $3500 depending on what other skills the company you hire has such as SEO, social media branding, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author CarloD.
      I say avoid the whole flash thing.... really its pointless, maybe just add a flash banner, You can do some fancy menu stuff with javascript/css. And you'll have a much more SEO friendly website.
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  • Profile picture of the author irenegirl
    Well, building a website is really expensive so must be ready or prepared financially.
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    • Profile picture of the author websitedeveloper
      Hey Nancy we can definitely create a full website for you. Shoot me an email at rimziminc( at )yahoo.com Saying its Nancy
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      • Profile picture of the author otterball
        Sad to be posting so late on this thread..

        As the developer of creativeartsinitiative.org I'd like to say:

        1. It's super easy to update.. much simpler than something like wordpress.
        2. It's great for SEO
        3. Works fine on mobile

        People should actually test their assumptions before making incorrect blanket statements. Lately it doesn't seem to matter if a web developer has any experience using flash, their an expert on how to use it. If you're interested in how we use flash we wrote a tutorial for .NET Magazine that's available on the otterball.com about page.

        Also we've never built a site for $15k

        @CarloD.. They have full ability to add keywords to the keyword tag in the content management system.. although I don't really know why they would since pretty much every search engine for the past 5 years ignores it entirely. I also have no idea how not including a keyword tag has anything to do with flash...
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        • Profile picture of the author WorldAmbassador
          Try nancy @ weaver.co.in for an inexpensive web site. They did a great header for me and for much much much less than I could find it from other web design companies.
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          • Profile picture of the author twittlead
            I think you shouldn't spend 15000 or even 7000 for this site. I think any warriors here could help you to do this. Maybe around 2000-3000 is more reasonable.
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    i am try but this time no idea in my mind may be as soon as possible i have some good suggestion.
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  • Profile picture of the author joomlawala
    Nancy, I can help, email me, I will send my portfolio. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Harrison Ortega
    Hey Nancy,
    Re: Would this cost $15,000? YES, or even more. I have seen US web firms charging $30,000 for a less basic 5 pages website.

    Do you need to pay that amount to have it done? NO.

    My point here is that you are a third-party company providing marketing (I'm doing marketing… for a startup company), so if you are looking to profit too, $15,000 is definitely on the spot. You can have it done by around $7,500 and still make a 50% profit.

    Are you ripping them off? Hell no. Send some RFPs (request for proposal) to some established US web firms and you will see that $15,000 is actually low.

    If you’re not looking to profit, then $7,500 would be the average price a good web firm will charge to provide you with a unique design, CMS, blog, two languages and good lifetime support.

    Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

    Harrison
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