first web design job advise please

by a17ddt 28 replies
hi all.

Ive been aaked to build a website for somebody and this is my first job for a client.

Http://www.kent-heating.com

What do you guys think? I know i have some content missing but im getting that passed to me over the weekend.

How much do you thjnk i should charge this offline client for the site including domain purchase and he wants me to host it.

Also what upsells should i be offering to my client.

Thanks in advance

Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author dkt91
    Hi Dave!

    That site looks pretty decent already in my opinion, better than what many of your client's competitors have. Get some great content in and you are good to go!

    About pricing, it is really hard to say. How much work has the site been for you so far? How much use (I know this is hard to express in £) do you expect it to be for the client?

    As for upsells, you can go with anything that you have experience with and that you think could be helpful for your client. Maybe try some social media marketing and SEO on a monthly basis? That would give you a recurring income stream!

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author lamzoR
    that's a simple website. how much do you charge for it ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
    Does the customer know you're using a Wordpress theme? Or do they think they're getting a custom site. That theme is pretty well known.. You also still have the boldy site 5 link in the footer...

    I wouldn't charge very much, $50 at the MOST...it just appears to be the theme itself installed with some content changed...
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew H
    Well I agree that if you are using a template (especially a free one), you should let the client know and definitely not over charge. This is because they will inevitably find out its a free theme because of the popularity of that theme.

    But then when Kingfish sais you should charge $50, that's absurd. Even if your using a theme it still will take about 6-8 hours dealing with the client and getting it all set up. So $200 is a reasonable price for a (free) template site like that.

    I don't even use word press.. and I found that theme in two seconds by looking at your source code: Site5 FREE Premium WordPress Themes
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  • Profile picture of the author mkarmocha
    though its free but its good if it meets your client requirement, also what mcflause said in his comment is correct you should charge nearly around $200 its a very reasonable price because we developers burn our fingers.
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  • Profile picture of the author jtlucas2511
    $200? Lol. I've sold wordpress sites with these kind of thems for $1000+ don't sell yourself short OP
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  • Profile picture of the author bambuvn
    500$ is ok
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew H
    Sell a free theme for $1k to a local customer and rest assured they will find out how you screwed them and spread the word.

    "A happy customer tells one friend, an unhappy customer tells everybody."
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Originally Posted by a17ddt View Post

    hi all.

    Ive been aaked to build a website for somebody and this is my first job for a client.

    Http://www.kent-heating.com

    What do you guys think? I know i have some content missing but im getting that passed to me over the weekend.

    How much do you thjnk i should charge this offline client for the site including domain purchase and he wants me to host it.

    Also what upsells should i be offering to my client.

    Thanks in advance

    Dave
    I think you should pay them for letting you messing around with their website

    A "web designer" who is not able to remove the sponsored links from the free(?) theme... should go back to school and learn the trade and shouldn't scam decent businesses with BS 'design offers'.

    I am sooo inclined to let Mr Crittenden know (by a simple call) they are scammed.
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    • Profile picture of the author a17ddt
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      I think you should pay them for letting you messing around with their website

      A "web designer" who is not able to remove the sponsored links from the free(?) theme... should go back to school and learn the trade and shouldn't scam decent businesses with BS 'design offers'.

      I am sooo inclined to let Mr Crittenden know (by a simple call) they are scammed.

      Are you joking? Its only abprototype and my client is really happy with the site.
      You forget this is for an offline client who knows nothing about the internet.
      He is happy with my service

      Dave
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      • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
        Originally Posted by mcflause View Post

        Well I agree that if you are using a template (especially a free one), you should let the client know and definitely not over charge. This is because they will inevitably find out its a free theme because of the popularity of that theme.

        But then when Kingfish sais you should charge $50, that's absurd. Even if your using a theme it still will take about 6-8 hours dealing with the client and getting it all set up. So $200 is a reasonable price for a (free) template site like that.

        I don't even use word press.. and I found that theme in two seconds by looking at your source code: Site5 FREE Premium WordPress Themes
        Really? So it's ok to sell someone else's work at a premium price when nothing was paid for it? I doubt it. Maybe you should contact site5 and ask them about their theme licenses.

        http://forums.site5.com/showthread.php?t=29674

        Originally Posted by mkarmocha View Post

        though its free but its good if it meets your client requirement, also what mcflause said in his comment is correct you should charge nearly around $200 its a very reasonable price because we developers burn our fingers.
        "we developers", the OP is not a developer, or they wouldn't have been attempting to sell a free well known theme to a customer at a premium price. It's just wrong, and unethical. It give real designers & developers a bad name.

        Originally Posted by jtlucas2511 View Post

        $200? Lol. I've sold wordpress sites with these kind of thems for $1000+ don't sell yourself short OP
        I don't even know what to say to this. Reminds me of some of the people here with reseller hosting plans who have no business trying to run a hosting company, and sell hosting to their customers for $100/month.

        Originally Posted by bambuvn View Post

        500$ is ok
        No, it isn't.

        Originally Posted by mcflause View Post

        Sell a free theme for $1k to a local customer and rest assured they will find out how you screwed them and spread the word.

        "A happy customer tells one friend, an unhappy customer tells everybody."
        This will eventually happen.

        Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

        I think you should pay them for letting you messing around with their website

        A "web designer" who is not able to remove the sponsored links from the free(?) theme... should go back to school and learn the trade and shouldn't scam decent businesses with BS 'design offers'.

        I am sooo inclined to let Mr Crittenden know (by a simple call) they are scammed.
        I would upvote you if I could.

        Originally Posted by a17ddt View Post

        Are you joking? Its only abprototype and my client is really happy with the site.
        You forget this is for an offline client who knows nothing about the internet.
        He is happy with my service

        Dave
        No, we're not joking.

        So because your client "knows nothing about the internet", it's ok to sell them something you A. didn't build, but are charging a premium price for and B. only changed a few pictures & text? If you want to sell & build websites, do it the right way. Don't shortcut. There are WAY too many people out there charging insane prices for installing a Wordpress theme. Half of them don't even know the first thing about code. They even think because they install Wordpress and slap up a theme, they're instantly a web developer.

        It's your decision, but I would advise that you sit down and think about what could potentially come of this. Bad news spreads fast. If your customer finds out, you can expect everyone they know to find out as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
        Originally Posted by a17ddt View Post

        You forget this is for an offline client who knows nothing about the internet.
        And that's exactly why I find your attitude scary and **** (forum rules)

        If you can make abstraction of your greediness for a moment, think about it:
        there are regulated professions where you could lose your license and pay dearly for offering such "service".

        If you go to a doctor or to a financial advisor (to mention only two regulated professions in my family) they have the obligation to serve you according to YOUR best interest; i.e. to offer the best treatment and/or the best investment regardless what would pay the best for them. Because you go to them exactly because you know nothing about medicine and/or investments.

        Your ignorance (or lack of knowledge) in those matters doesn't mean open season to give you crap instead of the best service you deserve. Would you agree?

        And finally, no, I am NOT joking. I am sick and tired of all the self-appointed "web designers" who lack knowledge, honesty and are after a quick buck. By f**ing up businesses with sh*tty sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author a17ddt
          Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

          And that's exactly why I find your attitude scary and *[B][/B]*** (forum rules)

          If you can make abstraction of your greediness for a moment, think about it:
          there are regulated professions where you could lose your license and pay dearly for offering such "service".

          If you go to a doctor or to a financial advisor (to mention only two regulated professions in my family) they have the obligation to serve you according to YOUR best interest; i.e. to offer the best treatment and/or the best investment regardless what would pay the best for them. Because you go to them exactly because you know nothing about medicine and/or investments.

          Your ignorance (or lack of knowledge) in those matters doesn't mean open season to give you crap instead of the best service you deserve. Would you agree?

          And finally, no, I am NOT joking. I am sick and tired of all the self-appointed "web designers" who lack knowledge, honesty and are after a quick buck. By f**ing up businesses with sh*tty sites.
          How isbthisbhelpful? My customer is more than happy with his site its what he wanted and ive got him an online profile how am i wrong to charge him for this? im new to this and just starting my business. and ive worked hard to set that site up the way my client wants it. Template or not my customer is happy.
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          • Profile picture of the author xtrapunch
            Originally Posted by a17ddt View Post

            How isbthisbhelpful? My customer is more than happy with his site its what he wanted and ive got him an online profile how am i wrong to charge him for this? im new to this and just starting my business. and ive worked hard to set that site up the way my client wants it. Template or not my customer is happy.
            I agree with Istvan. The website looks like a work of someone who has just started to learn the basics. If you are providing web design service, you should know at least the basics of designing and try to provide value to your clients. An ignorant client will not always be unaware of the design process. Do you expect the client to return when she knows the truth. You should at least try to use a premium theme and improve that site. If you want to grow as a designer, you cannot mislead your clients by providing them a website using free themes when you are charging for 'web design'. The client is paying for a custom site. Right?

            PS: If you are happy with the design and so is your client, why bother about getting feedback from others? You don't seem to be very happy with the responses either.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoshDylan
    I would stay reasonable with the price. If you do a good job on a $200 job, they are most likely going to recommend you to friends and other business people. Client tell is very important in the web industry, without it, we would not have this forum, godaddy, whmcs.com, hostgator, and other sites like that.

    Some upsells I normally offer to my clients is a SEO service, business card designs and printing, just have the printing done through vistaprint or something like that. Another good upsell is Premier hosting. If you offer great support, you can get away with charging 15 to 20 bucks a month for hosting.

    So keep that in mind and hopefully it all works out for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author sash024
    Dude if your client is happy with your work than it's more than about the penny's your'e gonna earn..
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  • Profile picture of the author Wilcox
    I have too much of a heart for my clients than to overcharge for something like this.

    I would do this free for a local company just to have them let there connections know that I can create REAL custom templates.
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  • Profile picture of the author rosiebrown0
    I think you should not worry about the charges..Just concentrate on your work and you will be succeed..
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  • Profile picture of the author LA Grouch
    As far as what to charge... figure out your hourly rate and charge accordingly. This way you have a standard to measure by for future work.

    I don't see a problem with using Wordpress as the platform but you should inform the client that this is what you chose and tell them what the benefits are.

    You should find a quality theme/framework to work with in the future that allows you to produce custom sites for clients and LEARN how to use it.

    I also noticed that the meta keywords and meta description are empty.

    Simply installing WP and a free theme, then pasting the client's content... is NOT professional web designing.

    Final note: I totally agree with Istvan.
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  • Profile picture of the author AdeptMarketing
    Set yourself a fair hourly rate, bill him based on how many hours it took you. If he needs a quote up front, try and figure out how many hours you think it will take, and bill him at the price per hour you thought was fair. If it takes more hours, well, that is how you learn (not sure how experienced you are?) and you eat the difference. If it takes you less time, spend the extra hours billed on doing anything you can think of to make your guy happy.

    edit - whoops, couple of days late, sorry about the bump guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew H
    Remove footer callback:

    Go to this file: http://www.kent-heating.com/wp-conte...oldy/style.css
    And locate: #site5bottom
    Add: display: none;
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  • Profile picture of the author rehant
    the link redirects to account suspended.

    you should charge domain for $9 and the hosting depends..

    please upload your design to other website to get opinions
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Maxwell
    I agree that you should not use a free template. Otherwise, just inform the client what they are looking at. It's def in the OP's long-term interest to use professional themes and learn from there as LA Grouch mentioned. Raise your rates, include professional themes in the price, however you wish, but use them. There's a huge difference between a designer and a theme installer/editor. Represent yourself accurately and you will be fine.

    That said, I'm surprised at the level of hostility expressed in this thread. Is that really necessary? No, it isn't. The OP is asking for advice. While brutal honesty is great, no one on this forum should have to be spoken down to, sworn at, and threatened.

    OP: After looking at several of the sites in some of the forum signatures in this thread, you'll do fine. Some of these very sites passing themselves off as professional are in dire need of professional copy. One was clearly not written by a native English speaker (not a big deal unless you're actually targeting native English speakers like this site was.) and was not professionally proofread before it was put online. I never understand why folks will pay for site to look good, but the copy reads like it was written by a high school kid. Anyway, just keep learning; don't represent yourself as a designer - until you become one - and don't let negativity bring you down.
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  • Profile picture of the author Simple2Web
    A basic site goes for $500-$1,000. That means the template fits them, it isn't a free site. They get nice graphics and advised on creating good content that is SEO savy.

    This site doesn't inform the customer on the first page, we call those landing pages - it is very important. When your only line is one of price you've missed the big point and that is of benefit.

    Also remember, each site you do represents you and your business and customers look at past sites to see what you've done. Finding things that link back to free or boiler plate often make us feel cheated.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Absolute Logo
    Try and get $200 dollars. Aim high then he will counter and you can agree on something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordi
    Just took a look and the color scheme on the footer is just a terrible choice, judging from a pixel-lated header including the flare and the greyish color on the body section.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg71
    I haven't looked yet but will after I type this.

    You could be watching tv, at the pub, the beach etc., but instead you've sacrificed some of your time to help someone get an online prescence.

    Lucky he didn't call a design company and get hit for thousands.

    $200 for your efforts, but keep learning stuff and as you do, apply it to the site for free.

    Ok, visited the site, but gave up on seeing the home page after a full minute waiting for it to load.

    Also, if you're on one of the other pages, where do you click to go back to the home page? No home menu item. But the theme looks ok. I've done worse than that and charged for it.

    You found it, that would have taken some of YOUR time. Mechanics charge you $50 for 5 minutes work, simply because they know what to do. I would think the same principle applies here.
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