They should rename this forum "Please review my site"

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Seems half the threads are titled that

This is not the review your site forum guys
its the html coding forum, CSS, wordpress etc
if you have coding questions by all means ask

go find some other people to review your sites
#forum #please review my site #rename
  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    I am open to discuss this issue.

    Indeed, lately there are too many posts just asking for a general "review"... which result is similarly general, vague, useless (should I say: bullsh*t?) replies, like:
    - great site
    - looks good
    - very nice...


    Replies like that may stroke your ego but are completely useless in a technical support forum for web design.
    The sure sign these threads were started ONLY for this kind of ego-trip - is the lack of "thank-you" under the replies that give concrete, technical advice re: code, html, css, graphics etc. Those replies are ignored.
    And the big THANKS button is clicked for the "nice site"-type of BS.

    Since there is nor real benefit in having idiotic threads asking for 'review'... I am seriously considering getting rid of them altogether.

    Your thoughts?
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      I am open to discuss this issue.

      Indeed, lately there are too many posts just asking for a general "review"... which result is similarly general, vague, useless (should I say: bullsh*t?) replies, like:
      - great site
      - looks good
      - very nice...

      Replies like that may stroke your ego but are completely useless in a technical support forum for web design.
      your font is not beautiful. I think you should to the standard font.
      However, I see your beautiful website.
      you mean crap like that, a lot is also sig spam / if you had a seperate review forum that auto deleted old threads say past 30 days since last reply then removed the sig option as well, then the only real benifit of posting in there is for a review, sigs are nulled and all reviews are dumped when finished. neat tidy and bullship free
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    • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      I am open to discuss this issue.

      Indeed, lately there are too many posts just asking for a general "review"... which result is similarly general, vague, useless (should I say: bullsh*t?) replies, like:
      - great site
      - looks good
      - very nice...

      Replies like that may stroke your ego but are completely useless in a technical support forum for web design.
      The sure sign these threads were started ONLY for this kind of ego-trip - is the lack of "thank-you" under the replies that give concrete, technical advice re: code, html, css, graphics etc. Those replies are ignored.
      And the big THANKS button is clicked for the "nice site"-type of BS.

      Since there is nor real benefit in having idiotic threads asking for 'review'... I am seriously considering getting rid of them altogether.

      Your thoughts?
      Although I see that these exist I also see people thanking people for criticism, like myself.

      I don't come on here for ego stroking, in fact sometimes I have to bait people just to criticize my stuff, posting highly emotional headlines like "my website sucks!!! I hate wordpress etc etc what am I doing wrong?" Which worked yesterday because I recieved an excellent criticism, very long in length that caused me to stay up all night last night making changes to my site.

      So that was a case where I came on here, recieved constructive criticism, and immediately applied it to my site, making it far better than it was before.

      If I ever came on here saw we weren't allowed to post sites for review, that would devastate me. I also come on here to ask questions about programming, very basic questions, but since I'm such a newbie most my questions revolve around "what is wrong with my site?".

      Maybe there just needs to be better posting guidelines in terms of these threads, instead of eradicating them altogether.

      I don't honestly know, but I can definitely say I have recieved LOTS of EXTREMELY VALUABLE help and I don't know where I'd be today without that aspect of this forum.

      -Red
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      I am open to discuss this issue.

      Indeed, lately there are too many posts just asking for a general "review"... which result is similarly general, vague, useless (should I say: bullsh*t?) replies, like:
      - great site
      - looks good
      - very nice...

      Replies like that may stroke your ego but are completely useless in a technical support forum for web design.
      The sure sign these threads were started ONLY for this kind of ego-trip - is the lack of "thank-you" under the replies that give concrete, technical advice re: code, html, css, graphics etc. Those replies are ignored.
      And the big THANKS button is clicked for the "nice site"-type of BS.

      Since there is nor real benefit in having idiotic threads asking for 'review'... I am seriously considering getting rid of them altogether.

      Your thoughts?
      I totally understand where all of you are coming from, but I hope you would use a case by case basis and not just say asking for a review was completely out.

      I am in the middle of designing my first site (for someone else) and have asked for honest opinions. The few "nice site" comments I have recieved have pretty much been ignored. The ones that gave me real advice I have used and will use moving forward. I also asked a few specific questions though....not just "what do you think". I have really appreciated all the help given to me on this forum and hope that my intentions are obviously not an ego stroke . Thanks for letting me share my side of the equation!
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick
    This section has become the default forum for "INCREASING POST COUNT" that's why so many useless review site threads followed by the useless replies, like a chain of ants.

    And Hello Istvan, not sure if you remember me ! Hope everything is fine at your end

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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      That's exactly how I see it - the post count increase - and I am more than happy to delete all those threads/posts

      But let's see what others have to say.

      (Of course, I know who you are )

      Originally Posted by schwarzes View Post

      This section has become the default forum for "INCREASING POST COUNT" that's why so many useless review site threads followed by the useless replies, like a chain of ants.

      And Hello Istvan, not sure if you remember me ! Hope everything is fine at your end

      Patrick.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
        How about a separate sub-forum strictly for website reviews? And that might be a good place for software 'beta tester' requests to go too.
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        • Profile picture of the author webpeon
          Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post

          How about a separate sub-forum strictly for website reviews? And that might be a good place for software 'beta tester' requests to go too.

          I like this option, I think there is a place for site reviews especially in an environment where alot of people are still learning the ropes
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        • Profile picture of the author benjigbird
          Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post

          How about a separate sub-forum strictly for website reviews? And that might be a good place for software 'beta tester' requests to go too.
          I agree. I think this has been mentioned before also but perhaps a "website review" thread may be in order?
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        • Profile picture of the author Tony Cossio
          Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post

          How about a separate sub-forum strictly for website reviews? And that might be a good place for software 'beta tester' requests to go too.
          This is best idea.

          Make a separate forum for the aesthetics/usability of a website.

          It may not work, and you still may have these posts in this forum, but it's worth a try.
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  • Profile picture of the author dogstar
    I was just looking for the appropriate place to ask what our website is worth and figured you guys could direct me...I don't want a review per se, I need a dollar figure. Perhaps the general discussion? The particulars are that some outside investors are interested in starting a related/component venture with us that would hinge on what we've built so far as a web presence...so, I figured it would be good to get some experienced estimates from warriors who have pro knowledge of such valuation, what would it cost to replicate our site from design thru contruction and all content as well as the "brand" creation and social stuff (FB, twitter, etc)...is this the place or where might the question get the right audience?
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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      Originally Posted by dogstar View Post

      .is this the place or where might the question get the right audience?
      Probably, not.

      Not because I have anything against it - but there is not enough expertize in this subforum to answer your specific questions. A few are able to answer html and css related questions, the majority not even that. Half of the posters are spammers.

      Try the main discussion forum - that is supposed to be about "making money" :p
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    • Profile picture of the author webpeon
      Originally Posted by dogstar View Post

      I was just looking for the appropriate place to ask what our website is worth and figured you guys could direct me...
      Google search will give you a bunch of valuation tools you can use to value a site, Im not sure how good they are but I guess if you do a bunch of different ones and then take the average it'll be as good a starting point as any
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  • Profile picture of the author lovboa
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    I personally like the site reviews.
    People get to share, you get to critique, and you get to see what others say about it as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    I would also dare to say this

    Most programmers do not necessarily possess site design skills though many do, most dont,
    Graphic artists would be more inclined to have that skill as far as site layout, and the look and appeal of the site

    personally website "designers" i dont know how they do it
    combine programming skills with aesthetic design skills?
    not an easy combination to find
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    I would say the consensus in this thread is
    delete all the "review my site" bullcrap
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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      I would say the consensus in this thread is
      delete all the "review my site" bullcrap
      I agree with the "bullcrap" portion of your post

      However, I don't really see a 'consensus' yet. Obviously, some members suggesting to let the review-me threads to survive... never really visit and read those threads.

      I am still hoping there will really be a consensus based on common sense and experience gained in those threads.
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      • Profile picture of the author Patrick
        Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

        I agree with the "bullcrap" portion of your post

        However, I don't really see a 'consensus' yet. Obviously, some members suggesting to let the review-me threads to survive... never really visit and read those threads.

        I am still hoping there will really be a consensus based on common sense and experience gained in those threads.

        How about changing them to Polls ? This way only people who have really visited the site will be voting. This will atleast avoid the chain of posts as described above.
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        • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
          Originally Posted by schwarzes View Post

          How about changing them to Polls ? This way only people who have really visited the site will be voting. This will atleast avoid the chain of posts as described above.
          What would polls change?
          How can you enforce that only those that visited will vote? (you can NOT)
          People ALWAYS post crap.

          Just now, when I came to reply to your post - on the main page above this thread there was an excellent example of the BS that I suggest to delete without warning:

          The thread has 81 posts (OP+80 replies).
          The thread was started on Sept 19, 2011.
          The last crap was added a few minutes ago.
          The 80 posts were made by 79 members - one posted twice (both times crap).
          Out of all posters 9 people have more than 100 posts!
          79 members have less than one hundred posts and quite a number of them are under 50.
          There was only ONE [1] real review of the site from a professional member (having over 2,000 posts) - nobody reacted to it.

          The OP has never returned to the thread - actually that member has only ONE SINGLE POST, the one starting that thread.

          Over 10 posts have been removed by the spam-decimator (yes, I can see even those).


          And now some fun:
          The beginning - Looking for some feedback on our new website...
          Feedback - cool site dude
          Last post - Thanks for the explanation of Excellence

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          • Profile picture of the author Patrick
            Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

            What would polls change?
            How can you enforce that only those that visited will vote? (you can NOT)
            People ALWAYS post crap.
            Alright, I didn't know this, I didn't know that people can still post on poll threads. I thought maybe the poll threads were only to vote and not make posts, then atleast the crap postings will be gone, which is the main reason why such threads are opened.

            And yes I saw many nonsense threads opened yesterday while we were discussing this. There are many honest people also who give good advice and opinions but their posts are always ignored, like you mentioned above about one thread.
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  • It seems warriorforum admins may need to add another section for REVIEW MY SITE.
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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      Originally Posted by System Wide Solutions View Post

      It seems warriorforum admins may need to add another section for REVIEW MY SITE.
      And you base this "conclusion" on what?

      Do you really think we need more crappy posts like the ones I quoted above?
      - great site
      - looks good
      - very nice...


      Please, explain why should we encourage threads/posts like that, if they clearly don't serve any meaningful purpose... except giving the opportunity to post spam (=signature pimping) posts?
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    • Profile picture of the author Bret Ferguson
      Originally Posted by System Wide Solutions View Post

      It seems warriorforum admins may need to add another section for REVIEW MY SITE.
      I agree. It's a worthy category in my opinion. I guess if other don't like the site review stuff, don't click on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hasanabd
    I noticed this in the forum when i first visited it , there should be a subforum titles , Sites Reviews , am i right
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Istvan show me people saying the 'review my site" threads should remain?

    I dont see anyone saying that
    perhaps you are reading other posts nobody sees
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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      Istvan show me people saying the 'review my site" threads should remain?
      OK, read on:

      Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post

      How about a separate sub-forum strictly for website reviews?
      Originally Posted by webpeon View Post

      I think there is a place for site reviews
      Originally Posted by lovboa View Post

      I personally like the site reviews.
      Originally Posted by benjigbird View Post

      perhaps a "website review" thread may be in order?
      Originally Posted by System Wide Solutions View Post

      It seems warriorforum admins may need to add another section for REVIEW MY SITE.
      Originally Posted by Bret Ferguson View Post

      I agree. It's a worthy category in my opinion. I guess if other don't like the site review stuff, don't click on it.
      Originally Posted by Hasanabd View Post

      there should be a subforum titles , Sites Reviews , am i right
      A note for the "sub-forum" fans:
      - we cannot create it
      - only the owner can make that decision
      - I will never ever suggest it to him (just because it is in a separate forum, it is still spam)
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    So Irstvan
    They are trying to be nice saying how about a subforum
    bottom line is you say you cant create one

    so , whats the point then? They dont want those posts on this forum obviously
    you are the moddy , why not just delete them and put it in the forum rules
    no "review my site" threads

    seems like a no brainer
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    • Profile picture of the author rhinocl
      It seems the problem is with the answers. A general review request makes sense. Just did a review for a teacher who was making all his sentences the same length, with the same sentence structure, and tone. I explained that this will put everyone to sleep. There was no way he would have realized this himself.
      In the same way none of us tend to see the deficiencies in our sites ourselves, so general reviews make sense. As you say general comments do not. They don't help anyone get better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bret Ferguson
    Overall, who cares?

    If someone is trying to boost their post count why in the heck would you lose sleep over that? As I said earlier if the "site review" is not your thing, or you have and issue with it, DON'T NAVIGATE to them, that's your problem then.

    Are some site reviews, something other than wanting a real site review? Probably. But again, who cares? DON'T NAVIGATE to it. Some want a site review.

    It's really not that complicated and totally a non issue.
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    • Profile picture of the author UMS
      Originally Posted by Bret Ferguson View Post

      Overall, who cares?
      Quite a few of the regular contributors to this forum.

      If someone is trying to boost their post count why in the heck would you lose sleep over that? As I said earlier if the "site review" is not your thing, or you have and issue with it, DON'T NAVIGATE to them, that's your problem then.

      Are some site reviews, something other than wanting a real site review? Probably. But again, who cares? DON'T NAVIGATE to it. Some want a site review.

      It's really not that complicated and totally a non issue.
      The problem is that the usefulness and quality of the posts in this forum get very diluted and that leads to people with good knowledge leaving the forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bret Ferguson
        Originally Posted by UMS View Post

        Quite a few of the regular contributors to this forum.
        The problem is that the usefulness and quality of the posts in this forum get very diluted and that leads to people with good knowledge leaving the forum.

        While I don't disagree with you, I think some of it just comes with the territory. It's like life, there are givers and there are takers.

        It's possible that about 40% of this entire forum would probably disappear if we wanted to judge each thread for it's "quality." (and then who sets the bar for quality, I suppose the moderators)

        It is what it is when you have a global reach with many people at different levels of experience or lack thereof. I think most of us are smart enough to know when it's not going to be worth giving advice or not.
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        • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
          Well I come to this forum periodically, as time allows in my own business to see if there is something I can help with and also to see if there is something I can learn from other answers, but recently, I skim down the thread titles and the main page is sometimes full of those titles - I am afraid, normally, I don't have time to go to the second page, so I leave.

          Istvan, would you consider putting in a request for a sub forum for this where there is no post count taken and signatures are not supported?

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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    The problem is not the site review threads

    its the amount of them
    they are taking over the board

    dont you guys see that?

    Go look at the board 4 months ago, maybe 1 in 20 posts was review my site

    now?
    it seems like half the posts are review my site
    its absurd
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    • Profile picture of the author Bret Ferguson
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      The problem is not the site review threads

      its the amount of them
      they are taking over the board

      dont you guys see that?

      Go look at the board 4 months ago, maybe 1 in 20 posts was review my site

      now?
      it seems like half the posts are review my site
      its absurd
      There are certainly a lot more than there used to be, still doesn't bother me. I remember when I first started I wanted someone else opinion on my site so I can totally relate.

      What I do think it says is for the WF owner to maybe open up another forum category.

      Seriously not trying to upset anyone here but I don't get the angst over it. I get that some are not really looking for an honest review, it is what it is, those type will always be around in one form or another.

      Have a good one!

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      • Profile picture of the author Patrick
        Originally Posted by Bret Ferguson View Post

        There are certainly a lot more than there used to be, still doesn't bother me. I remember when I first started I wanted someone else opinion on my site so I can totally relate.

        What I do think it says is for the WF owner to maybe open up another forum category.

        Seriously not trying to upset anyone here but I don't get the angst over it. I get that some are not really looking for an honest review, it is what it is, those type will always be around in one form or another.

        Have a good one!

        Bret
        Would you care to visit a website and buy products from there if it is full of spam comments like "very nice" "beautiful" ? I am sure no.
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  • Profile picture of the author alan9187
    I have commented on this subject i little while ago,

    For me it's more about the time it takes to troll through the website forum looking for the answere i need, I still think this needs 2 seperate forums.

    People jsut don't want to see these types of posts in web design forum , yes you can just avoid them so on and so on, Site reviews are not a bad thing i don't think..Helps people in a lot of ways... I tend to think that there has to be a starting place for people to get there new sites looked at and questions answerd..

    Everyone has to start some where.. I do agree that the spam issue causes problems.. But if there was a seperate forum for this and rules were set i.e only usefull information need be submitted , no one liners etc..etc.. then the Mods can delete the spam as soon as they see them.. this also keeps the web design forum free for genuine design questions....

    I'm sure there is enough people wanting this to be a seperate forum...

    I would ask the mods to do a pole on this themselves.. if enough people vote then surley this is telling them their usesers wishes and create a sperate section/forum..
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    • Profile picture of the author ronc0011
      Frankly I can see the annoyance with all the "review my site" threads and I agree most are just looking for the "Hey great site" kind of response. None the less I have to say I can see the legitimate need to get feedback on the weeks or months of work you've put in building a site , especially for the novice. Sadly there really aren't that many here who can offer qualified and quality critiques. So maybe the solution is to combine it with a test thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
        Originally Posted by Bret Ferguson View Post

        While I don't disagree with you, I think some of it just comes with the territory.
        Spam shouldn't come with any territory. And we are talking here about blatant spam. And you don't even see half of it - because it gets deleted in buds

        Originally Posted by SusanneUK View Post

        Istvan, would you consider putting in a request for a sub forum for this where there is no post count taken and signatures are not supported?
        I know there is a resistance against any further 'segmentation' of the forum(s).
        Since I am not convinced it would serve ever any good... I am afraid I am not inclined to make such a request.

        Originally Posted by alan9187 View Post

        then the Mods can delete the spam as soon as they see them..
        That is already happening.

        Originally Posted by ronc0011 View Post

        Sadly there really aren't that many here who can offer qualified and quality critiques.
        And that's one of my biggest fears. Because "nice site; change the header and add some pink" - is NOT a quality critique.

        For sure, as it is now, it is a nightmare and something should be done.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bret Ferguson
          Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

          Spam shouldn't come with any territory. And we are talking here about blatant spam. And you don't even see half of it - because it gets deleted in buds

          I hear you. I realize there are two sides to this issue (or any for that matter). I'm sure a lot of stuff is "weeded" out that most of us never see, I'm sure that gets under your skin after awhile. Anyway I hope nothing here was taken personal it wasn't meant to be.

          Peace......
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  • Profile picture of the author allpurposeguru
    I would like to speak in favor of "review my site" posts. Some people have no clue what they're doing. They just know it isn't working. I'm one of them. I have gotten some real benefit from reviews I requesting a little earlier. I came to this part of the forum just now to request reviews on another site I'm working on.

    According to the rules, I could not put up a link until I had posted 15 times. Someone, in response to another thread I started, asked me to respond with a PM. I find I can't do that until I accumulate 50 posts.

    I'm not much of an expert on anything. I read a lot of stuff where I have nothing useful to say. But if someone asks for a site critique, I can to over there, poke around, and say what I think of it. For me, typing "great site" isn't worth the effort of typing it. I won't make comments if I don't think I can actually add value. Alas, I think I'm part of a small minority on that point. There seems to be no way to prevent people from wasting space like that on any forum.

    Right now, this subforum is the only place requests for review will fit. I was a little surprised that there was not a special place for them. It doesn't matter to me one way or another, and if Istvan isn't inclined to ask for a separate place, that seems to settle the matter.

    But please be aware that without a place to ask for site reviews, the Warrior Forum as a whole becomes much less valuable to people who are struggling to make functional sites.And there are obviously a lot of us, judging from the number of requests I see. I will be adding one later this evening.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    From a web designer and graphic designers point of view;

    In college, critiques of someone's design work was a crucial part in learning.

    I think that it has its place here, although it does open wide the doors for stupid spammy comments and one liners.

    Many people who comment do not add any real value, and many times its obvious especially to me, that the OP posted for motives other than really wanting a review of their website. Such as a link to their website design business or something else along that line.

    So, I am not really sure what would be best.

    Do others actually benefit from questions like these?

    Maybe?

    I have personally been involved in helping quite a few people with their graphics on their websites, the color scheme etc.. and seen them actually improve their websites overall look.

    Many have thanked me for the help, not necessarily by the thanks button.

    So, I will just have to say it has its place here because people sometimes need an outside eye on design, BUT the flip side is the spammy abuse of asking for a site review.

    Vigilant "Moderation" is probably the key, but I know it gets to be a pain deleting all the spammy threads. But if there were no spammy threads, there would be no need for moderators at all.

    Not sure if what I posted helps any, but this is a two way issue. On the one hand, people can get help and on the other, people abuse the forum.
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    I am absolutely agree with schwarzes.
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