Bad Bad Bad News From Yahoo

by Zach Booker

Posted: 16 years ago 39 replies

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(I copied and pasted this from a post I did on the main forum, seeing as how there's no views on it I guess people don't really care about where the real money is made and how much money people are about to lose, oh well.)

Hey guys,

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I haven't seen a thread about it.

This morning, so I am told, some Yahoo executives said they're getting rid of re-bill offers (RFT's) due to complaints from consumers.

Basically say goodbye to **** RFT's Colon cleanse RFT's etc etc...

Say goodbye to flogs fake news etc etc...

Not good news at all.

This IS breaking news, and will hit people hard. Hundreds of thousands daily hard.

Please refrain from trying to sound smart and saying that Yahoo gets no traffic and no one makes money from PPC via Yahoo. Yahoo is the worlds largest digital advertising platform.

PPC is the tiniest part of the whole thing. Were talking media buys, ppc, Y!Mail links the whole thing is no longer gonna allow RFT's or flogs or whatever their called.

Also when I logged in I saw this:
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Upcoming Systems Maintenance: Due to systems maintenance, certain administrative functions in your Yahoo! Search Marketing account (including changing preferences, payment method, spending limits and account status) will not be available for approximately eight hours, from 6:00 p.m. PDT on Friday, July 24 to 2:00 a.m. PDT on Saturday, July 25. Additionally, data in your account performance reports will not be refreshed for up to 24 hours beginning at 6:00 p.m. PDT on July 24. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you.
So again this is a case of some people taking re-bill offers too far and ruining it for everyone else.

Did you know the re-bill offers and/or RFT's have been around for years and that they have run very smoothly and have actually had happy customes? (Most people don't hate the product they hate the re-billing.)

But now since some people decided to try and squeeze every last penny, literally, out of the consumer Yahoo is going to "Take a stand" and kill loads of income streams for people who have worked very hard to make a viable business.

Again people ARE spending upwards to 5 figures a day on Yahoo advertising, it isn't some tiny search engine that used to be kinda big-ish.

Anyway I have had several people confirm this to be true, just thought it'd let you guys know if everyone didn't already know.

Zach

P.S- Again all RFT's are not evil, many don't have forced continuity and make just as much profit as the "scam" ones.

People are way to quick to say that one **** product was a scam so they all must be.

P.P.S- I'd be sooo glad to be proven wrong if someone has evidence that does not support this.

#bad #news #yahoo

Zach Booker 16 years ago

Haha, sorry bud but they won't.

It sucks.

Big time.

For sure.

Zach
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Cash37

16 years ago

And?

People will just cloak, run to Quigo, run to Pulse360, etc. Same as when Google dropped the hammer.

And..

THERES A WHOLE WORLD OUTSIDE THE INTERNET. Remember "Offline" is a traffic source too!

You can throw events (weight loss seminar FTW?), run commercials, put out flyers, business cards, mail on leads, etc. etc.

Rebill offers are here to stay.

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Zach Booker

16 years ago

I guess I wasn't clear enough in my post.

I know there is a whole world outside of Yahoo!, but when people spend 4-6 figures a day on Yahoo! aren't they gonna be a little upset when they now aren't making double whatever those 4-6 figures were?

Just like if Google dissapeared, than you'd be like "Oh shit, well Google isn't everything but that's where most of my money came from so now I have to look for alternatives." Right?

Not saying it's the end of the world, but for those who are involved it is very very bad news.

Zach

Originally Posted by Cash37

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Jay Truman

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Zach Booker

I know there is a whole world outside of Yahoo!, but when people spend 4-6 figures a day on Yahoo! aren't they gonna be a little upset when they now aren't making double whatever those 4-6 figures were?

i agree this is bad news for those effected by this and making bank with yahoo.... but if these marketers didnt see this coming, well...

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dblgdee 16 years ago

Complaints form customers...
Which means this can spread to other platforms
Forced continuity may be in need of a makeover.
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international_deal 16 years ago

Very Very Very Very Bad !!!!!
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nzdealer

16 years ago

It is not going to happen. You are full of it. The fact is if they do this, they will take a hit in their annual revenue and their stocks will fall. In this conditions they aint going to do it. They are smarter than you mate. PERIOD.

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Zach Booker

16 years ago

Not sure why you're getting so defensive.

I'd love to be wrong, but I'm not.

If you used Yahoo! SEM any it'd become quite apparent to you that this is the case.

AND if you bothered to talk to one your AM, if you do any volume you most likely have access to the manager overseeing a section of the AM's, so why don't you confirm it with them?

It's yes or no. And I have been told my 2 people at Copeac and 2 people at Neverblue that it's Yes Yahoo! is shutting off the gravy train.

Yahoo! point of view is that if the consumer get's burned when buying something after clicking off of Yahoo! than they won't come back to Yahoo!.

Whether subconsiously or not.

Read this: Yahoo! lavishes $75m on self ? The Register

Zach

P.S- Don't shoot the messenger, and yes I'm well aware this will hit their pocket book quite hard.

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andrewaff 16 years ago

This is a rocking news.. huh..
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- Zach Booker 16 years ago
  
  Unfortunately it is, lol.
  
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Zach Booker

16 years ago

It's not that they didn't see it coming...

They didn't see it coming with so much force.

Personally, and I know most people are in the same boat, I thought it would only affect PPC side of things.

Witch would be totally cool and understandable.

But there's folks paying 7 figures for media buys with Yahoo! who are now either deep in tears or deep in anger, lol.

Especially with the quarterly earnings the way they were I would think they'd still allow Y!links and media buys etc.

But I guess not.

Zach

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Greg Jacobs

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Zach Booker

But there's folks paying 7 figures for media buys with Yahoo! who are now either deep in tears or deep in anger, lol.

Especially with the quarterly earnings the way they were I would think they'd still allow Y!links and media buys etc.
Zach

nobody will be crying. Give them a few weeks and a quiet 'whitelist' and hand reviewed campaigns will be allowed again. Though most likely only for large and trusted accounts.

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Myheavens

16 years ago

Well . I think its a good move..Why people are cheating with customers ??????? .. Why not they tell the truth to the customer if they pay or not ??? I think they should stop these types of campaigns as its unfair to the customers..sorry if anyone hurt.and surely im not saying to those people which are not cheating people,

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Zach Booker

16 years ago

I don't think you fully understand it.

Some people "cheat" their customers. But some people don't "cheat" their customers but still get burned because their associated with the people who are "cheating" their customers.

So we all lose even though only a few people are too blame.

Zach

Originally Posted by waqas

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newbyr 16 years ago

Wow! This is definitely some very bad news but there has to be other options besides using Yahoo that will reach a similar amount of traffic.
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- mrizos 16 years ago
  
  lol....finally...less obeying that 1 stupid rule....
  
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ChrisBa 16 years ago

Time to go after the 2nd tier networks more
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MicahF7 16 years ago

Ya, this is simply a bummer.... I was talking to an affiliate manager today.. they told me about it.
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metafever 16 years ago

Thanks for sharing . . . . it is crappy news, but at least it gives an opportunity to go to contingency plan B.
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Bob007 16 years ago

Not surprised because a lot of consumers have been duped by many of these rebill type of offers. Just a sign that the consumer's interest comes first and I, for one, welcome that approach. Money can be made without having to fool or trick customers.
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Zach Booker 16 years ago

Stephen's right, as usual. ;-)

I was talking to a buddy on mine last night who does 4-5 figures daily and he brang up a good point once I was done my little rant.

He told me, basically, everyone kind of wants money, including the government, Google, Yahoo etc. But they won't do things that piss people off if it's only making them a little money. (Meaning re-bills/RFT's.)

But if the things that piss people off make these organizations big money than it's all good.

Think about it, makes sense and just echo's what Stephen is getting at.

Zach

I can tell you one thing for sure, those people who had high 6 to 7 figure media buys will be put on a 'whitelist' so they can still promote whatever they want to.

Seems like Yahoo just wants good PR or something by taking out the little guys, even though i'm sure no one outside the IM community knows about these changes. LOL
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- dropship 16 years ago
  
  I LOVE it when Google, Yahoo, etc. make these kinds of bans / changes to their policies.
  
  All that means to me is less competition in the long run. There's going to be many IM's that will simply give up on those niches.
  
  I'll just tweak my campaigns and make even more money with all the other players in that niche gone.
  
  Yes, it takes time and effort to make the changes and follow the new ways to market and promote the offers, but if you're in it for the long run, it's a no brainer....
  
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Zach Booker 16 years ago

If you go to the exact same thread I started in the main forum you can see some ideas me and Stephen quickly came up with, but i'm sure you have tons of your own.

Zach
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MicahF7 16 years ago

Ok guys... I have some new information on this.... I have not read all the posts so if you one of you already brought it up, I dont have time to find out!

They are going to be "freezing" ( if you will ) the rebill type offers for about 1 week while they rewrite there terms and conditions and all that kind of stuff... ONce that is done. The rebills are back on yahoo.

This information came from a guy who is really down deep in this indistry.

Hopfully he's right... Thats way to much money for yahoo to through away.

Micah Rush
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Zach Booker 16 years ago

Cool info, Micah.

My AM is telling me that it should be "alright" and that I might be able to even put old sites back up within the next 2 months.

According to her they're basically trying to scare the noobs away and keep the guys who know what they're doing and who are spending a lot.

Guys who know what they're doing usually cover all the legal stuff too unlike less experienced people.

Anyway it kind of makes sense.

Zach

P.S- This has actually gotten me interested in different sources of traffic, in the long run this might have been a good wake up call for a lot of affiliates to stop relying so heavily on the big 4.
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ChrisBa

16 years ago

tomorrow is the day, lets see what happens.. i have a few campaigns on pause.. waiting to see the outcome of all of this

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Cash37

16 years ago

The sky is falling :rolleyes:

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T3DMNet

16 years ago

The CPA Networks that drive the pill trial products should really do some due diligence on those companies as part of an "ethical" cleansing of their own before accepting them. There are hordes of complaints out there.

I would really like to see this cleaned up for CPA's sake. A simple contract that stipulates a) You must ship the trial as described and only charge the $3.99 shipping charge or whatever it may be. b) If canceled, DO NOT REBILL!

What is so hard about that?

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Tony Vercetti

16 years ago

Originally Posted by T3DMNet

That's definitely true. While some of the rebill offers make it pretty clear as to what the terms & conditions of the trial are, many take steps to being actively deceiving, such as hiding the terms in 6pt font below the "Yes I want my free trial!" button, rebilling clients that ALREADY CANCELLED (has happened to 2 of my friends, which ultimately resulted in a chargeback), making sure that nobody picks up the phone at the cancellation number, and then claiming the client never called, etc.

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Pleiadian01 16 years ago

I welcome the change. Im sure the 4-6 figure earners are gonna be real upset now they cant buy that 3rd porsche thay were after.

There is ALWAYS a flip side to large scale change. This will create other avenues that are probably even easier to make $ with. Digging your feet in and resisting will only make matters far worse, so much easier just to let what will happen, happen. I mean its not like we cannot all of a sudden stop yahoo from doing this by arguing the toss and screamimg how bad and wrong it is.

I love change and welcome it, keeps things moving and clears out all the ****. Those that learn to flow with the change and alter their game will ultimately be the long term wealth builders.
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Marcel Pamphile 16 years ago

Bad Bad Bad news for the forced continuity scammers
Good Good Good news for Yahoo users
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- relfe 16 years ago
  
  The rebilling scumbags deserve to be put out of business. They are not real marketers.
  
  A real marketer loves their customers and never ever would do anything to hurt a customer. They build relationships with their customers and are in it for the long run. They would never want to be blamed for a bad customer experience.
  
  Selling cheap $2 a bottle **** for 49.95 a pop just doesn't add up for 99% of the population.
  
  The whole supply chain is a fraud.
  
  The **** dealers
  
  The VISA processors that allow it even with the huge chargebacks
  
  The CPA networks that push the junk in their ads.
  
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Steadyon

16 years ago

How does this information impact on the CPA Tsunami release by Mike Hill today?

I was taken in by the videos, but now I am more sceptical if the playing field is so muddy.

Is his course worth $1,997 or are there less expensive learning options?

Steadyon

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Zach Booker

16 years ago

If you watched a few of the videos you'd see that he is not worried at all about the 'crack down'.

Mike is a great guy and he really knows his stuff and really wants to help you.

This won't affect CPA Tsunami at all, his re-bills are not scams and doesn't revolve around misleading the consumer.

Hope this helps,

Zach

P.S- If you got 5 grand to spend(Start up cash) get the course!

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JayInOrlando 16 years ago

I too am on the fence about his course. If all of the profits as shown in his proof video were the result of an **** site, using rebill offer, than.. well you can count on 90% of those being taken back and possible legal action happening with everyone involved in those offers.
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OPLeads 16 years ago

Well, not all re-bill offers are "scam". As an affiliate marketer it is also your responsibility to do your due diligence about the programs your promote (you would think the networks would do this ). You should never promote an offer you would not want your grandma to use too ....

Anyway, there are still several re-bill offers that yahoo allows as they have "checked out" the offers and they have good reputation ...
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chini 16 years ago

How is this bad? If your promoting this crap, your a scammer/fraudster
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tercio8 16 years ago

that's truly bad news.
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