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| Krazy Kenster War Room Member | Hey Warriors So far this week I have received the same question 4 times so I decided to write a post to let you know my thoughts. DISCLAIMER: The following are just my opinions from being in the industry and seeing many people struggle and many people succeed. From members of my membership site, customers of my WSOs, discussions with people on WF, and from going to conferences and seminars, I have been around hundreds of success stories and hundreds of failure stories. So these are just a few of my opinions. Also, if you asked me this same question 2 years ago I would have had a much different opinion. First, the paid traffic space has become tougher in the last two years as many PPC platforms have made it more difficult for affiliate marketers and the ones that have been more favorable have therefore had more marketers (competition). Secondly, as I have become more public through products and such, I have witnessed firsthand how the majority of marketers progress, which is much different than hwo my journey progressed. So the question… Should I start with Paid Traffic or Free Traffic? My answer is simple, Free Traffic. But let me justify my opinion. Paid traffic is great. In fact, much of my income stems from paid traffic sources and a majority of my large campaigns have been from paid traffic. So, though the paid traffic space (most notably PPC) is becoming more competitive and tougher, there is still opportunity. The traffic is abundant so if you can find and scale a campaign with a positive margin, the results can be fantastic. A tiny profit margin with a boatload of traffic is still a big number! That’s the good news. ![]() But the bad news is that PPC is a tough game to learn. I have been there and have witnessed countless new marketers lose their budgets and walk away from IM altogether. For the marketer who hasn’t made a dime online, going into PPC a majority of times means you will lose money to start. How much you will lose before/if you start making money is different for each person but for the vast majority of people there are many more down days than up days when first starting out. This But then again most businesses lost money at first, but it’s problematic in IM because a lot of people have very little budget when they are starting…sometimes people only have $20 or $100 to ‘invest’. Here is an analogy: Let’s say you want to play soccer as a goalie. You have seen soccer on TV and are familiar with the game but have never played in goal as the goalie. You say to yourself, “all the big earners in the game of soccer play for a premier league team like Manchester United”. So you decide to go to the Manchester United tryouts. They put you in goal for a scrimmage and being that you have never been a goalie you generally know what you should be doing, but you are playing with all professional players so you can barely stop from flinching, never mind blocking a shot. The players of course are amazing and are whipping shots at you… you are getting hit in the face and you can barely stand your ground. Chances are after the scrimmage (if you are still alive) you will never want to play soccer as a goalie again. Just because the best goalies in the world play for a premier league team, does that mean you should try out for Manchester United as your first time attempt? That doesn’t make a lot of sense. A better and more logical route to take is to start by playing for your local team to learn the fundamentals, then work your way up to travel and then tryout for a premier league team. Well, this is a lot like trying to get into paid traffic like PPC. There is a lot of potential and some marketers are pulling gigantic numbers, just like the players for Liverpool are making millions. In fact, there are some newbies that happen to hit big right from the start. But, PPC is tough to get into if you don’t have a good foundation of CPA knowledge and don’t have a budget to keep you afloat as you learn and make mistakes, which everybody does. Now there are exceptions and I would say that if you have a mentor/coach or have a VERY detailed course and a budget, then it can make sense to dive into PPC as your first venture, but for the majority of new marketers, this isn’t the case. I see people all the time spending money on Google Adwords PPC traffic and never have built a landing page before. Do you think these people will see a good quality score or any resemblance of a good conversion rate…nope. So what’s so great about free traffic? Well, it’s free. That means as you learn, as you make mistakes, you aren’t losing money. You can learn how to build and optimize a landing page on a small and free scale. Most marketers have more time than money to devote at first and the internet and CPA is great because time can be just as valuable as money. You can start building income streams of $5, $20, $50, $100 or whatever a day that you can then invest into paid traffic. The other great thing is that free traffic can be just as lucrative. If you get good at SEO, you can pull huge numbers. Think about this…if you get 10,000 visitors a day on your sites and convert 2% at a $30 payout, that is $6,000 per day revenue. Since this is through SEO your revenue is your profit, $6,000. However, if you buy 10,000 clicks on a PPC campaign at $0.50 per click and get the same 2% conversion, that would be $6,000 in revenue, but $5,000 in cost, meaning profit is only $1,000. Now of course getting good at SEO is difficult and just as hard as getting good at PPC, but the point is that big numbers are very possible in the free traffic space as well. FOR THE AVERAGE NEW MARKETER, they will be doing things like video marketing, press release marketing, article marketing, forum marketing, bum marketing, etc. There is still a lot of money that can be made here as well, I’ve been there and done it. Getting good at video marketing or article marketing is easier than getting good at PPC, so why not stick with those and build a small set up passive income streams. You will learn a lot, you will mitigate much of your downside risk, and you will still make money. Conclusion… So, the paid traffic space has its place. It’s lucrative, its sexy, it’s great, but for new marketers it doesn’t always make sense. My advice: Step 1: Get a good foundation of CPA and how the industry works through this forum, a product, blogs, whatever. Step 2: Begin learning about the different traffic directions you can take and find one that fits you based on what you like to do and what you are good at Step 3: Pick a direction and stick with it. I can tell you that almost every (if not all) traffic sources work if you get good at them and do them long enough. Step 4: As you continue to learn and build income streams in that traffic strategy, then diversify and explore the paid traffic space. IMPORTANT: Throughout each of the steps and throughout your journey, program yourself to work your butt off. The only reason I got anywhere in this industry is because I worked harder than 99% of the other marketers. At the end of the day, I only give you these opinions because I want to see you succeed. If you have the budget, confidence, mentor/coach, or good solid product to lean on, then by all means, go for it. If you don’t have one of the above, then I strongly urge you to consider my advice. No man can become rich without himself enriching others -Andrew Carnegie PS: I simplified parts of the argument to illustrate general concepts. For example, yes, there are some costs associated with building a major SEO campaign. Etc. PPS: This mainly applies to marketers who haven’t made money online yet. PPPS: YES, there are ways to approach PPC and other paid traffic to minimize risk as a newbie, I am not discounting that. To your success and prosperity in your personal and professional endeavors. -Ken |
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good read! Love to be here. Let me tell you about my opinion. I think free traffic costs too much on the opportunity cost, moreover SEO, but however the value that you'll get from you effort will be paid off once you see the result. You can use either free or paid traffic once you know what you do. My old mistake was not to think very seriously about free traffic generation and how to monetize them, because in online business there's almost no risk (just waste of time), not like in offline business. All will costs you money in promotion. From that particular time, I always think seriously about all my online promotion, in very detail on what I do online. I think that's the most important aspect on getting free or paid traffic --> what you do next after the traffic is generated! Regards |
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Thanks very much this goes deep into why one is better than the other...
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Good post and nice insights on free and paid traffic. Well said about hard work..The steps at conclusion are clear and easy to follow. NO wonder you are doing quiet well Ken.
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Solid post Ken, very valuable information. I do agree that starting with Free Traffic is more appropriate for newbies. Thanks for sharing.
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| Senior Warrior Member War Room Member | Hey Ken, As usual , it is solid post and I am sure it would help lots of warriors . Now, let me put my advice … In general I believe (it is based on my experience) that … The most effective and lucrative ways to make money online is through paid traffic sources like PPC, PPV, Media Buys and others. Therefore, if you want to be the next super affiliate, study and master paid traffic sources. Period! On the other hand, if you don’t know what you are doing paid traffic is very risky. What if Your Are New To CPA? My advice is if you completely new to CPA marketing , I recommend that you start with free traffic sources . This would allow you to get started safely. At the same time, you would be able to get know-how about the critical components of CPA marketing. More important, you would be able to get money which will be reinvested into paid traffic. Once you become familiar with all the critical elements of CPA marketing, and make money, you can start Paid Traffic Sources like PPC, PPV, etc. But, if you decide to start the paid traffic way, there are certain important points that you need to be aware: 1. Unless you fully understand and master any paid traffic source , don’t use itHope it helps .Mike |
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Great post, I'm totally supporting your opinion, before and of-course after reading this! Free traffic is the base, by paid traffic is a great increase of power. |
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Nice post there Ken, Wish to read this like 6 months ago. Free vs Paid always the debate out there. But all I can say if you master any of them, perhaps any of the traffic available, you are going to make loads of money. 1 traffic and 1 vertical |
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Nice post, Kenster! I personally think that both free and paid traffic sources have their space. I have used both, made much more money with the paid ones, but still can see the value of the free traffic sources. The fact is that I think that this discussion (free or paid) doesn't make a lot of sense. First, because it's so easy to make this choice, people just need to answer one single question: what should I spend, time or money? This answer isn't the same for everybody, so we can't say what route they should take. IMO, what stops beginners from making money isn't the traffic sources, affiliate managers, networks, offers, etc... It's their lack of persistence. People want to get rich overnight, and even after reading on this forum that this is impossible, they still keep a small hope alive and create campaigns thinking that maybe they will make a killing right from the first day. The fact is that no one creates a campaign to fail, but they should. People should always expect to fail and learn, fail and learn, fail and learn... Never expect to make money, just expect to make your campaign better than previous one. Do it, and one day you will get profitable. People get frustrated with PPC because they spend a few hundred dollars and don't start making consistent money. However, they also get frustrated after spending 2 months trying to rank for 10 keywords and failing with all of them. People get frustrated when they don't succeed, and it stops them from going through all their learning curve. Therefore, IM never becomes a real, solid business for them. So I think that you can choose both free and paid traffic sources, you just have to decide on what to spend, time or money. And then, be prepared to fail and actually spend a lot of time or money, depending on your choice. William
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| Krazy Kenster War Room Member | Quote:
Yes, that's what most people say. In fact, a lot of the successful people I know started with paid traffic, lost money, reverted to free traffic, and only then switched back to paid traffic. My theory is that while you are learning the basics... copywriting 101 landing pages 101 tracking 101 split testing 101 cpa networks 101 ...it just doesnt make sense to throw money at paid traffic. My primary point is that people need to understand that being successful in IM is a process. Want and believer in yourself that you will be a superstar but approach it in a systematic and gradual manner. Like a pro soccer player starting out and working their way through the system to eventually become a Premier League player, I think its very wise to do the same with CPA. Start by first making that $10 day. Then move up. Then reinvest and start looking into paid traffic. And lastly, don't be afraid to get your hands dirty. Not that everybody else needs to do this, but I literally walked streets and parking garages and apartment complexes for 10+ hour days for many days in a row putting up flyers. I replied to hundreds of individual craigslist emails for many days in a row. I started at the very bottom and really treaded through some garbage to work my way up. I had my eye on the $1,000 days from the moment I started but I knew I had to reach the $5 and $20 days first and was willing to do what it took to achieve it. That's all I'm suggesting. Think big but do what it takes to reach those first initial hurdles. Most people who try to hit a grand slam right out of the gates fall on their faces. | |
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I'm on a transition to free traffic at the moment to be honest. Of course still doing a little paid traffic there. Why am i switching from paid to free. First of all I started making money with my 9-5 job and save some cash (i gave up my gadgets I wanted in my wishlist) I funded my PPCs (with 's' behind) campaign then jump on to PoF...etc Thought of making some quick bucks there. Since people said if you want some result fast, go for paid traffic. Then I lost a lot, not losing completely all of the money. Well I didnt break even. I really learnt A LOT. I guess I gotta slow down a bit and start thinking and why am I losing money while others are killing offers out there. At the same time I'm opting for some article + seo marketing for long term. So I now focus more on free method instead. Working on a constant cashflow before moving back to paid | |
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Always , if you fail , analyze why your campaign failed . This would help you to identify your weak points .
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man you always deliver great posts .. i love reading your posts and methods ..
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i refer free traffic.. you can do it all by yourself.. after doing the result of free traffic, you can then use paid traffic to earn some money online. |
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| Krazy Kenster War Room Member | Quote:
I can't tell you how many people i know that went the Paid -- Free -- Paid/Free route. Lot's of people blow through money on paid traffic and are forced to explore free traffic and they then learn how awesome it is and then they continue doing that and start investing some of their earnings in some more paid. Where exactly are you headed in the free space? | |
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I agree with Kenster that free traffic source like SEO are best way to start for newbies .I am doing it for the past few months and getting nice results . From , my exprince in the last few months , I have come to conlusion that there is huge opportunity to be made with SEO . So , I am working hard on it .I am also studying paid traffic sources and I hope to get the same result.
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Have to agree with you Ken. Anyone starting now with only a small budget, should not start with paid traffic. I would also say that going the slower, but cheaper route of free traffic also gives the marketer a chance to learn about how to convert offers, because at the end of the day, you can have all the traffic you want, but if you don't know how to convert that traffic , you still don't make money. Kev. |
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I have been using free traffic since I got started. I am just about ready to step off of the porch and start reinvesting some of my profits. Got my fingers crossed!!! |
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Has anyone use allinclusiveads for CPA campaign? Do you think their service is reliable? Can we trust them? They offer an advertising co-op and they spend $40,000 per month in real online and offline advertising to their member sites. Any experience with their service?
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I think I'll stick to free traffic, because they are more likely to return. And, free traffic is more likely to give you online referrals from others to come to your site, because word of mouth advertising on the world wide web is more powerful than offline traditional advertising.
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I like this! Another quality post by the Kenster! I do agree that starting with free traffic can have it's benefits and it also provides you with some financial help to build your paid traffic. But everyone learns and excels differently. Personally I started with paid and then added some free traffic and now do both. IMO, as long as your diversifying you are good! |
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Another cool thing about free traffic is that in terms of articles, videos, blog posts, etc. they float around in the ether for a long time generating traffic or income, while paid traffic stops once the funds stop (more or less).
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Yep, it's always nice receiving CPA or Clickbank commission checks and not knowing where they even came from (I didnt track very well when I was starting out haha) | |
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Good discussion and nice putting on both traffic. Yap paid traffic is faster but I prefer free traffic more as It's easier to start for a beginner and costs nothing. After establishing our site using free traffic method we can apply some paid method as free traffic earns gradually and slowly. Anyways Thanks a lot for this great post. |
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If you work hard in this business it will pay off, learn and work.. so many people are so busy learning that they never put in the work. I love this quote that says "knowledge is power" well that's not entirely true -- "applied knowledge is power" now get to work! | |
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Our business has been Free traffic since early 2005.. just recently we started to use paid traffic. It's a very large learning curve for both however they will both pay off IF you put in the work.
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Haha, I know exactly what you mean. I have literally let people watch me build a small campaign every step of the way in the most methodical and formulaic way possible, and they still don't have the personality/mindset/dedication to replicate it. Making money and being entrepreneurial isn't in everybody...but I sure as heck love it! | |
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if you go with paid ones then you can test with more campaigns fast which can save your time.time is more precious than money
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When I first started IM around a year ago I only tried PPC and that was a great way to blow through the only start up money I had. Now I'm only using free traffic until I have the money to explore the other options |
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Thanks - Your article really helped my rethink a strategy for one of my business ventures!
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for me free traffic with incentive cpa offers seems to be converting quite well. I did try paid traffic via facebook once, had good CTR but unfortunately not enough conversions to meet the money spent. Also played with adwords using a coupon i got from them, it din't work out that well either. I am sure if you are good with ppc then you can make lots of money, but free traffic is always the way to go! |
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Not bad statement you have
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Well Said!
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Great post to start with. This is just my two cents. I was listening to a webinar (Charles Kirkland) and something he said has really stuck in my mind: You need to find the quickest route of getting from A to B. Now this is probably a really obvious thing to most people (I know I kicked myself) however just look at it like this - You want to get free traffic as quick as possible (Point B) so you need to look at SEO, however this can be time consuming and difficult (Point A) so what's the quickest way to get to that - well out source. So my thoughts are take as much of the work that you possibly can and outsource it to someone for relatively cheap, and that doesn't necessarily mean buying 10,000 forum profile links for $20 which only work for a short period for most people however getting 25 articles for $50-60 is cheap if you imagine how long it would take to write them, use that time time to build decent high profile links, or build relationships within a social field.... etc... It may seem like rubbish but it's my thought... PS I would also recommend that aanyone starting tries to do everything themsleves for a period of time to understand what works and what doesn't. Hope it makes sense. |
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I found out on my own journey in IM over the last 2 years that in the end paid traffic was better for me, however, this took me around 1 year of messing around with free traffic where I did make some money but more importantly I learnt lots. The best things about taking this route were:
As a result of this when I got in to paid traffic I had a large skillset and lots of general IM knowledge that I could use in my paid marketing efforts. hope this helps |
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I am sure your experience would help lots of newbies who are confused on how to start . | |
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Honeslty I love every single thread you make...they are all very helpful and inspiring. I dont wanna get akward or anything but if I didn't find some of your threads to start with...I probably wouldn't even be attempting CPA.
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Agreed, I started with the free route, helps you learn the ropes and the nature of the beast. Then steadily shifted to paid traffic sources. That being said, I still bank from free sources daily, good traffic is good traffic (paid or free) |
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I agree that free traffic will teach you a lot that you can then apply to paid traffic.
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That's amazing!!! Let me know if I can help in any other way! And nice work getting into CPA...its a good place! | |
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Its all personal preference, neither is better or easier than the other. Its just which one you put the time into perfecting that will determine your success. I prefer paid because its instant gratification but its con is it can become a nightmare very easily if you don't know how to test properly. I just don't have the patience for seo personally but if you do an you got the discipline to focus on backlinking for 60 - 90 days(if ur good) without pay til you break the top 3 then it can be just as lucrative.
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learning... Thanks Kenster. I am going to build the basic blocks Quote:
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nice ken, it'a awesome advice
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I strongly agree with you Kenster. Most of the CPA marketers always starts with free traffic before moving on to the paid one. Free Traffic = Slow Traffic But Long Term Results Paid Traffic = Fast Traffic But Short Term Results Until now, I still earn most of my CPA income through free traffic. Cheers! Jeff |
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| Lovin Life War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: USA and Asia
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I disagree that CPA paid traffic takes longer to learn than SEO |
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