Matthew Olson

Hi Guys...

I'm venturing into paid traffic sources and was wondering if anyone had any feedback regarding Media Traffic, TrafficVance or any other PPV companies.

Is this a worthwhile traffic source for cpa offers? And if so, what types of cpa offers work best?

Thanks in advance...

kensmonies

the same always holds true. You get what you pay for and if it sounds too good to be true...

I don't have any experience with those 2 particular companies but in my experience that sort of traffic usually sucks if its inexpensive and not worth the investment.

Also i have heard that cpa traffic works well for some stuff but other stuff it never converts well.

Maybe you should find some people who have experience with whatever you are trying to sell and ask them what cpa offers they have had luck with.

Either way, the best traffic is always the traffic you generate yourself if you learn how to drive targeted traffic.

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Mike Morgan.

I do not have any experince with these companies .

But , there is a truth you should know very well.

If they offer targeting options and not have any big problems of fraud , just test it .

I hope it helps .

Mike

LeivaMatias

PPV traffic is cheap.

The key is being able to target to specific part of a website to promote your offer.

I have been doing some tests daily and sometimes getting 3000% return on my advertising.

Reason being:

1. Cheap traffic
2. Highly targeted sites (long tailed keywords) etc.

I recommend PPV.

GreatBiz

I tested AdonNetwork (PPV) using an free auto insurance quote offer. Over 3000 impressions but zero signup. Apparently, it depends on the kind of offer. It is true that some kinds of offers work better in certain advertising networks. Anyway, I will be trying "ringtone" type of offers with AdonNetwork. We shall see how well it converts.

Matthew Olson

Thanks for the feedback. 3000% return on your advertising is very encouraging!

You said "The key is being able to target to specific part of a website to promote your offer." Could you please clarify what you mean by targeting a specific part of a website?

Also, any recommendation on a good PPV company? I've been doing some investigating and getting mixed reviews.

Thanks,
Matt

Kyle L Hannah

I almost spit up my drink on my computer screen ..

I've been studying and testing ppv for a while now and although I know it's a good source of traffic if done right, a 3000% ROI is simply unheard of.

Your a friend of mine but come on, who's leg are you pulling

garyk1968

I just cannot see how ppv can be effective apart from the big niches like weight loss, gambling, making money. The reason? You have absolutely no demographic/interest information on the punters running the software. I spoke with media traffic yesterday and wanted to know out of the 15 million users that had downloaded the software how many were UK based, the answer I got is UK is #2, what does that tell me? Not a great deal!

If I then want to look at specific keywords/urls there is no way on earth they can tell me what those users interests or hobbies are as ppv is just about blindly rotating ads hoping something will stick. A particular niche I looked at has no competition on MT for the main players URL even though this is a worldwide company employing 1000s turning over >£100million.

With PPC I *can* do research which tells me how big the pool is, the geographics, the trends, the estimated cost, all of that *before* I commit to a single penny.

If I go to MT and say I want UK small and medium sized business owners looking at Sage accounting software what are they going to tell me? Nothing.....because they do not have stats!

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Phil

I have found that many CPA networks do not permit this kind of traffic
source. So to begin with, you are restricted as to which offers can be
used.

So far, I have had zero results using these traffic sources. I have tried
4 different offers, and had 4000+ views and clickthroughs but not one
conversion. Yes, I checked the figures with the CPA networks. And tracked
the clicks.

Now, that's not to say this isn't a valuable traffic source - but it does take
some testing and it is certainly true to say that some offers will work and
others will not.

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dropship

Which network did you try?

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ChrisBa

ppv can work really well - however it takes lots of test, lots and lots of testing to find winners. But once you find them they rock!

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soffell

I ever send email to Affiliate Manager Adjal CPA network

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Me :
Hi Jose,

Plz Advice ..

Can I use Adaware traffics ( www.mediatraffic.com, www.trafficvance.com, www.zango.com ) for CPA offer?
If yes, what CPA network allow this campaign?
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Affiliate Manager :
Hi,

For us it's not a problem. Perhaps if an advertiser notices it... but if you cover your tracks (double meta refresh, etc), it won't give you any trouble.

Let me know if I can assist you further.

Jose
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Me :
Hi,

Oke thank You, No hidden track because I send visitor directly to landing page with link provided by you (no redirect with domain)

I hope this clear , cos' I always ask my affiliate manager in other netwotk before campaign using adaware campaign
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Affiliate Manager :
Hi again.

It will be ok for sure.

Have a nice day.

Jose
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So, don't forget to ask your affiliate manager before using PPV

Soffell

Phil

I've PM-ed you. I don't wish to create negative publicity for them.

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webatomic

What kind of offers are working best for you guys on PPV?

Clinch

Started doing this about 2 1/2 months ago.

Simple email submits for gift cards or gas cards is your answer.

I spread my income amongst 4 CPA networks. 3 I'll keep secrets but Neverblue ads I'll share w/ you guys b/c they have no problem with this method.

I make an extra $150 - $200 month with this method of PPV + CPA.

Literally, a set and forget method.

Here is a screenshot of my neverblue earnings:



At the rate I'm going I'm totally going to blow last months earnings w/ this method out of the water! Today
is only the 7th. So far it is my favorite "Set & Forget Method!"

I'll probably do some more email submit testing and scale upward.

Can't wait to get up to $1000 so I can get weekly checks with Neverblue. Muahaha!

T3DMNet

Just a heads up on Trafficvance. They are a full service CPA Network. Their minimum deposit is $10K! They are supposedly launching "Self Service" campaign management in Q4 that is similar to the other CPAs.

Clinch,

Can you elaborate on your monthly cost for Neverblue Ad Campaign #1 as per above? What are you netting?

dropship

So did it recently go up from $1k to $10K?

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TE2

Not to mention the fact that they are NOT a CPA network.

They are a CPV traffic provider.

Regards,

John

cypherslock

Hey Clinch, if you don't mind, what are your costs to get that extra? I'm just starting out with PPV, so all info is welcome. I can also recommend Stephon "Phon" Rudd as he's a master at this type of traffic with CPA

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T3DMNet

My bad! It is in fact $1K. I was thinking of Kontera. They want mad money.


Correct they are a "white-label" contextual in-text advertiser. They do not have CPA offers.

quickregister

I think the most important step is to find a really super converting offer that has a huge payout. I have been testing one CPA offer that has given me 6 sales total $242. in commissions for 117 clicks. This gives me some leeway to try some paid advertising. I think you also have to have an offer which appeals to a wide audience. This way you can buy cheaper traffic like run of network type traffic from a variety of sources. Hey, I am just getting going with this but I think you really have to look at what you are promoting first. Not all offers are created equal.

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webatomic

I'm doing ok with the email submits but struggling with the higher payout offers. Care to share any tips on those?

OPLeads

With PPV the most important part is understanding how the PPV network is getting their "customers" (the ones that downloaded the adware). If you can't find it out searching, ask your PPV representative.

If you know who are the people most of the times you will find that they are interested in certain products, such as Gambling, Dating, P-orn, PayDay offers, or freebies etc...

So now that you know this, you will have to look for offers that are falling within these categories. And the places where they hang out the most. Get a good URl scraper such as the free LaserURL and get your target URLS.

The second most important part (after knowing who uses the adware) is tracking. Get Prosper (free) or one of the paid tracking software. You also need a URL rotator and if you don't want to let your aff. manager see the traffic source, also a ref. blanker. The best solution I have found, and that includes both the URL rotator, ref. blanker and that works together with Prosper is WPLinkEngine (WP plugin). This way you can rotate your offers (includes Geo tracking) and find the best converting offer for the targeted URL.

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webatomic

Wow. Thanks for all the advice. I already use Prosper202, which has a URL rotator and some type of cloaking built in. I downloaded the URL scraper and am checking it out. My experience has been the more URLs I try and target the worse my ROI is. I originally started out with thousands, then hundreds and now down to just a few and my ROI has improved dramatically. although obviously the volume is way down. I'll play around with the URL scraper though and do some more testing. Thanks!

OPLeads

webatomic, no problem. What you describe is the reality with both PPV and PPC placement campaigns. You start off with several thousand URLs and through tracking you will see which ones convert and which don't. Those that do not convert you take out... There will always be an adding and taking out of URLs.

Prosper's cloaking method will show the tracking url as the ref. - at least most of the times. (Some Browsers leak) If you need ref. cloaking to be cloaked or blanked 100% then you need to get another tool. Also, I found it an disadvantage Prosper's build in rotation does not allow to specify different CPA networks and Payouts.

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TE2

Yes, you are on the right track.

Tighter targets = less spend and less traffic = higher ROI.

The way I set up my campaigns, I am typically getting 3000+ ROI.

Regards,

John

webatomic

Wow that's awesome! How many URLs do you typically target per campaign? Also care to share what types of offers give you that ROI?

TE2

Just a few URL's that are a variation of one specific URL with type match applied.

It's not the offer that gives me that type of ROI; it's the targeting method. I can typically get that ROI in any category as long as it is within the categories and demographics served by that CPV source.

ie. If using MediaTraffic, then the top categories are: gambling, dating, shopping, finance, travel, health, and mobile & wireless.

That's as much as I am willing to say...

Regards,

John

webatomic

Thanks so much. What do you mean by type match applied though? I'm using Media Traffic. They offer this kind of matching:

Precision Match Syntax:
target = Complete URL
"target" = URL without query string
[target] = Query string only
*target* = Search engine

TE2

See if you can find the hint hidden in this reply.

And that's all I am saying...

John

Philomina

Hi Clinch,

Do you use keywords or urls as targets.
Typically how many of either do you use.

Thanks.

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Neowave09

John,

Are you seeing that people actually go about typing out the subdomains or the exact pages as well?

Thanks John,

Frank

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We can ask Adeel as he have Experience with PPV network and had worked lot .

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pbiewenga

TE2 - I got question for you.

Concentrating on the categories for MediaTraffic, like gambling, dating and so on...

1) Which type of offers do you select? Zip/email submits with low payouts or do you go for higher payouts above $10 (and for higher payout does that includes the free trial offers with requires c/card submit?

2) when selecting your few URLs - to you usually select the top10 websites in google as your URLs? are a bit more than that?

Thanks

cgallagher93

I'm just going to come right out and say that I don't believe in Adware networks in the slightest. Traffic Vance, Media Traffic and Clicksor are all the same; unreliable sources of - aside from traffic exchanges - the most untargeted traffic you could probably ever find!

I joined a program in the start of January (not naming names) that was all about email marketing. The marketer in question offered to provide ongoing training (i.e. a video a month) for the next 12 months...

I gave it a try and cut a long story short one of the recent videos was all about these networks. To be honest, I've never seen such B.S in my life!

Do forgive me if I sound a little naive here, this stuff isn't really my "thing". But I have to say that I think anyone claiming that these PPV companies are a reliable source of traffic is probably trying to sell you something.

Because of the way in which your ads are displayed (and even though they are relevant and in-context) I think they'll just p*ss a load of people off. The chances are there are a few people here and there who REALLY know what they're doing making money with this stuff. I mean, surely it has to work in some niches...

TE2

High payout - typically $20 and up. Yes, including free trial offers with rebill.

The top 10 in google may be included. I try to target as highly as I can. Every campaign is unique. I never test more than 50 URL's at a time.

Regards,

John

TE2

Frank,

Just saw your question...

The pop-over/under is triggered when the a person visits the target URL regardless of how they arrive at it.


Regards,

John

pbiewenga

Thanks for you contributes, much appreciated

I have another question (if you are willing to answer) :-)
As example I'm gonna use a free trial CPA offer (diet/health) payout $40

You said that you use a few (more or less 50 at a time) URL's with a variation of each and type match applied.
Do I understand you corrent if I target my URL's as follow with my CPV provider:

1) "fastdiet.com/a.htm"
"fastdiet.com/b.htm"
"fastdiet.com/c.htm"

2) "bestdiet.com/a.htm"
"bestdiet.com/b.htm"
"dietbest.com/c.htm"

In other words, to see when conversion comes from specific pages in a website?

pbiewenga

oh forgot to ask - with aboved sample, do you usually make use of popup or popunder (CPA direct landing page) ?

dropship

It's best to make your own landing page at the specific size of pop-up they allowed like 750 x 500. Otherwise if you are just sending the user to the direct landing page, they will have to scroll through the window.

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Roman8389

Do the advertisers usually provide banners of this size to use with CPV? I'm kind of confused about making a landing page that is 750 x 500.

TE2

I think I understand your question, and the answer is "correct".

TE2

I do pop-over if the CPV network can do it. Most only do pop-under.

TE2

No, that size creative does not exist.

Roman8389

So what actually pops up if it's not a banner? Do you just direct link to the LP and have the customer scroll through/maximize the window?

TE2

You are always sending them to a landing page.

- That page can be the offer's landing page (that you direct link to)

- It could be a page you create (ie - you could make a banner only page, or you could send them to a typical opt-in page, or you could send them to your blog, or...)

- It could be a page that someone else created

Bottom line, you always send them to a page.

CPV is a traffic source. You have to tell it what page to pop. Banners are located on pages (even if they are the only thing on that page).

Roman8389

That was the part I misunderstood (even though it's actually pretty obvious). So if I understand it right: You can choose to have a banner pop OR have the LP itself pop. If you choose to have the LP pop, the customer will have to scroll or maximize the window; and if you have a banner pop, you will probably have to make it yourself since the advertisers don't provide that size of banner.

Right?

TE2

Correct for most CPV networks. I know one that pops to whatever size the user had left their last browser window sized at.

For a banner only page - pick a banner that you like and make a landing page that only has that banner on it. I suggest one of the large rectangular banners (336 x 280). Depending on the quality of the image, you can sometimes tweak the size to something larger.

Last thought - test, test, test!!! I have tried this and CTR was terrible. If you want to run banners, I suggest media buys is a better ad spend.

Regards,

John

pbiewenga

TE2 -->

Thanks. Now I have one LAST question :-)

I'm testing a diet/detox CPA offer from Neverblue, using Mediatraffic.
I'm running about 50 (different) URL's and 20 of the main URL's I can see some competing activity on the bidding. US and Canada traffic.

However, It's been 24 hours now and only got 1 view total. Should I add more targets/find target URL's that gets more visitors.... I have heard before that MediaTraffic starts slow and then accelerates after 3 days?

thanks
-Pieter