My First CPA + PPC Experiment

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 03:26 AM

Hi Warriors,

After going through a lot of stuff, I have finally decided to go ahead with my first thrift with CPA. I am not sure I will be able to earn a lot of money with this but, it at least will be a learning experience for me.

So, here is what I plan to do...

CPA Network:

I am currently a member of only one CPA Network i.e., Vcommission.

CPA Offer:

I have chosen to promote the best converting offer at VCommission which is a Free Restaurant Gift Card for those who take the Best Pizza Survey. It converts at 136.36% per lead and pays $1.12 per lead.

Technical, I don't know how anything can convert at 136.36%. That's just too good to be true, but I am going try it anyway

Advertising Method:

PPC on Google

Keywords Chosen:

pizza and cafe
sports bar pizza
pizza and wine bar
pizza and steak
pizza and seafood
pizza and restaurant
pizza and coffee
pizza and bbq
pizza and bar
bistro and pizza

Estimated Avg. CPC

0.05$ But, I will pay $0.07

Global Monthly Search Volume

12950

Global Monthly Daily Search Volume

431.6666667

Estimated Clicks

It depends on how appealing my Ad is. I am myself a beginner so I am not sure, if I will get any clicks at all in the first place.

Keywords Tool:

Google Keywords Tool

Estimated Income

Let's assume, I get 50 clicks from 431.6 impressions, I will lose $3.5.
However, if those clicks actually convert as per the conversion estimate of VCommission i.e., more than %100, I will earn $50.

So, investing $3.5 to earn $50 is not a bad thing. Is it?

But, lets not count the chickens before they hatch.

I still need to prepare my landing page (which I am not so experienced at), setup my domain forwarding. So, there is a lot of work to do. I will update the other things, once my campaign gets started.

OK. Let me go and kick some butt with my Frontpage.

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 04:42 AM

Well! as I said earlier, I am doing an experiment. So, I am telling you everything I am doing. It is up to the individuals to believe me or not. Once I setup everything, I will give you the screenshots. I hope at least then, you will believe me. BTW, I do not know for sure, if everything will work as intended or not.

I collected these keywords using the Google Keywords tool. Just type in any phrase in Google Adwords tool and you will get some good suggestions from Google. I don't know what you mean by dead keywords. They do have search volume but, not competition.

lovesazu · 06-01-2009, 07:01 AM

well is it really worked for you ? surely wait for a few weeks, n see the result, if its really work for you then do share with us howz the result

surely everyone will be intrested to spending a money if geting more in retrn

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 07:10 AM

Update

Here is an update for everyone:

1. I created a landing page in Microsoft Frontpage just by compiling the resources provided by the Advertiser. I did not use any sales pitch as such.

2. I uploaded the page to my web hosting account using my FTP client Filezilla.

3. I got got a Free domain name and redirected it to my landing page that I had just uploaded via FTP.

The Next Steps:

1. I need to setup a new Google Adwords Account with US Dollar Currency

2. Refine my Keywords

3. Write an attractive Ad

Will update you with the progress soon.

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 07:13 AM

Forgot to mention:

Here is my landing page, in case you want to see.

In case you live in US, I don't mind you taking the survey

Solidsnake · 06-01-2009, 07:27 AM

I think directing the visitors to CPA product page is more effective..

FredFarnes · 06-01-2009, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solidsnake

I think directing the visitors to CPA product page is more effective..

I think this the big "G" will not allow this? Must have a bridge page, landing page.

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solidsnake

I think directing the visitors to CPA product page is more effective..

The CPA tracking URLs are too huge and generally cannot be used with a Free Domain name. In addition, we cannot use tracking URLs with Google Adwords. So, had to go with the landing page option. It's anyway an experiment. Let me see what happens.

FredFarnes · 06-01-2009, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SacredWealth

Forgot to mention:

Here is my landing page, in case you want to see.

In case you live in US, I don't mind you taking the survey

You landing page does not look good in Firefox, see attached.

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 08:17 AM

A surprise for you guys...my landing page URL has got indexed on Goolge

only in a few hours. If you search with my free domain name. You will get the first and only result which my little landing page. If you use a Keyword Phrase "Free $500 Pizza card," you will find it to be the second result out there.

That's cool. Is it not?

Now, let me go and setup my Google Adwords account and sorry for the delay. There was a power cut at my home.

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredFarnes

You landing page does not look good in Firefox, see attached.

Thanks for pointing out. But, I tested it in FF, IE and Chrome. Its working well for me in all browsers. Not sure, why its like that for you.

Kim Davis · 06-01-2009, 08:27 AM

I get the same view in IE....I hope you do well with it....your call to action is not very clear....You should know within seconds what the page is about and what you are so supposed to do....I found it too busy to figure it out in seconds...my eyes weren't sure where to go first.....I know you didn't ask for my opinon but I thought I would mention it.....

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kim Davis

I get the same view in IE....I hope you do well with it....your call to action is not very clear....You should know within seconds what the page is about and what you are so supposed to do....I found it too busy to figure it out in seconds...my eyes weren't sure where to go first.....I know you didn't ask for my opinon but I thought I would mention it.....

Kim, thank you so much for your advice. I value it.

4thstreet · 06-01-2009, 09:23 AM

If you are going to use G you will have to add a privacy & an "about" page. You may also want to add some type of articles or recipes for pizza - more value to visitor - less cost with G and less chance to have your campaign shut down.

Solidsnake · 06-01-2009, 09:39 AM

There's a slight problem with firefox but all in all, you have a fantastic landing page..

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solidsnake

There's a slight problem with firefox but all in all, you have a fantastic landing page..

Thank you Solidsnake!

GeorgR. · 06-01-2009, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4thstreet

If you are going to use G you will have to add a privacy & an "about" page. You may also want to add some type of articles or recipes for pizza - more value to visitor - less cost with G and less chance to have your campaign shut down.

always add "contact us", "privacy policy", "terms of service".

Its a little work...but what do we all do for good QS

I usually use their email-templates (if available)...or use a BIG banner and i make some site with it. And i add some "personal stuff" like "look what i found. This site has the best XYZ..you just need to fill out some simple forms and get a FREE XYZ"... also make sure to use title and H1 headlines to get your quality score up.

The other idea is framing the real site (eg ZIP submit)..so people actually get the submit-form right away on your landing page.

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 09:52 AM

Here's an update

I have setup my add on Google:

© Free $500 Pizza Card
Just Tell Us Your Best Pizza Place
& Get A Free $500 Gift Card Now
www.PizzaSurveyFreeGiftCard.co.nr
Currently, I am using only 10 Keywords:
pizza and cafe
sports bar pizza
pizza and wine bar
pizza and steak
pizza and seafood
pizza and restaurant
pizza and coffee
pizza and bbq
pizza and bar
bistro and pizza
Currently, none of the above Keywords have any sought of Advertiser competition associated with them (unless, my fellow warriors decide to steel some of them

).

I am paying $0.07 per click to Google and hope to convert all clicks. Ofcourse, it all depends on how compelling visitors find my landing page and a lot of other things.
All in all, whether I succeed or not, I am sure, it will be a good learning experience for me and for all those who are following this thread.

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

always add "contact us", "privacy policy", "terms of service".

Its a little work...but what do we all do for good QS

I usually use their email-templates (if available)...or use a BIG banner and i make some site with it. And i add some "personal stuff" like "look what i found. This site has the best XYZ..you just need to fill out some simple forms and get a FREE XYZ"... also make sure to use title and H1 headlines to get your quality score up.

The other idea is framing the real site (eg ZIP submit)..so people actually get the submit-form right away on your landing page.

Thanks for your suggestions George. Is there any place where I can find some Generic Privacy Policy and Terms & Conditions Statements which can be used on all Websites?

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 10:00 AM

Good News

I got a OK (7/10) quality score for all my Keywords. I am curious to see how they perform over a day or 2.

BTW, I am working on my Privacy and other pages that some of the other Warriors have recommended. Thank you all for your suggestions. Please keep them coming. I need to learn a lot.

Mark 2 · 06-01-2009, 10:18 AM

Sandeep, you caught me... I never spent too much time on any single page. Would you believe I have read every single word and line you are doing.

Best of luck, and looking farward positive results from you.

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark 2

Sandeep, you caught me... I never spent too much time on any single page. Would you believe I have read every single word and line you are doing.

Best of luck, and looking farward positive results from you.

Thanks a lot Mark for your encouraging words.

vpatodi · 06-01-2009, 10:40 AM

Sandeep All the Best,

I am doing IM for last one year and not even accomplished any success.

You have inspired me

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vpatodi

Sandeep All the Best,

I am doing IM for last one year and not even accomplished any success.

You have inspired me

Thanks for your best wishes. If this experiment works for me who is a complete newbie, it will practically prove once and for all that CPA + PPC Works.

I am not going to stop, even if I fail. I will keep trying till and after I succeed.

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 11:13 AM

I have now started getting impressions for my keywords. Only six till now, but I am excited about the possibilities after 24 hours.

Flyingpig7 · 06-01-2009, 11:30 AM

I like your landing page. I think your brave sharing this with us but I'm grateful for the opportunity to learn from your experiment as I shall follow it with great interest. I have always wanted to know the nuts & bolts of running a CPA campaign. I wish you great success, (& ROI) Sandeep.

By the way where did you get a free domain from?

Cheers Keren

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingpig7

I like your landing page. I think your brave sharing this with us but I'm grateful for the opportunity to learn from your experiment as I shall follow it with great interest. I have always wanted to know the nuts & bolts of running a CPA campaign. I wish you great success, (& ROI) Sandeep.

By the way where did you get a free domain from?

Cheers Keren

Hi Keren,

Than you for your compliments and best wishes. I hope I do well too.

I got the free domain name from this website

Just do search on Google with a Keyword "free domain names" and the first result you find should be the Free domain providing website. It's a lovely service they provide.

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 11:58 AM

Ok...I am going to bed now...will post more updates tomorrow morning..hopefully no sad news.

Samos · 06-01-2009, 02:01 PM

I subscribed to the thread. Great to read I'm also a newb who is starting with ppc and cpa only had a little succes yet.

My best traffic is from SEO.

redicelander · 06-01-2009, 02:43 PM

Wow, that's crazy that you're throwing all your keywords and strategies out there. I wouldn't be so trusting, but anyway...

mosilager · 06-01-2009, 03:16 PM

Good luck with your experiment, it's always nice to see a newbie try something....I'm new at CPA as well, and just finished my 1st month where I made $19

, nothing to write home about, but I'm excited and can't wait to build on it...

John34 · 06-01-2009, 03:38 PM

Your landing page is down,thats the problem with free domains.

Paul Clutterbuck · 06-01-2009, 04:22 PM

Hey there, keep up with the testing.
Have you tried direct linking???

I use direct linking to find profitable campaigns before i start building pages. could be a waste of your time.
But hey, keep testing.

amitcor · 06-01-2009, 07:10 PM

Hi man, good luck, hope you succeed on your first attempt.

- you can always find privacy statements and any other statement you need. just search. if you don't find i can send you anything that you need. spreadsheats that you can use.

- could it be that your free domain ending (co.nr) is working against you and damaging your CTR? I'm not sure if i would want to click something that is not *.com . not sure though. also i think that if it start working for you - change your landing page. it's not even semi-professional ( duhhh

)

-How did you get an approval to a CPA network without a site? did you talk to them on the phone? did you write an email? what did you say? i understand they can be hard to deal with.

Great work man, thanks for sharing!
Looking forward to updates

-

GeorgR. · 06-01-2009, 07:39 PM

uhm...what search volume do these KWs have?
Who enters "pizza and coffee"?

As for the privacy policy stuff, yes:

Privacy Policy / Terms Of Service Generator

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 10:43 PM

A Quick Update

I had 82 impressions in the last 12 hours and just one click for the keyword "

pizza and seafood." The CTR is 1.22%. It may be disappointing, but again its just a first attempt.

Following can be the reasons for my low CTR:

1. My Ad is not compelling enough to click.
2. Users do not want to click on a .Co.Nr domain.

As far as the conversion ability of the landing page is concerned, can't say much because I just got one click which did not convert. But, I guess I can take a word from some of you warriors according to whom it is bad.

For ow, I have decided to do direct linking for this campaign. In addition, I am thinking of starting a new Adgroup with a different set of keywords.

Here are action items:

1. Buy a generic .Com domain name to promote Free Stuff offers
(Especially for Zip & e-mail submits). I already have web hosting.
2. Create separate Subdomain for each offer.
3. Create better landing pages
4. Create Privacy & TOS pages.

I will get back to you soon with further updates.

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amitcor

Hi man, good luck, hope you succeed on your first attempt.

- you can always find privacy statements and any other statement you need. just search. if you don't find i can send you anything that you need. spreadsheats that you can use.

- could it be that your free domain ending (co.nr) is working against you and damaging your CTR? I'm not sure if i would want to click something that is not *.com . not sure though. also i think that if it start working for you - change your landing page. it's not even semi-professional ( duhhh

)

-How did you get an approval to a CPA network without a site? did you talk to them on the phone? did you write an email? what did you say? i understand they can be hard to deal with.

Great work man, thanks for sharing!
Looking forward to updates

-

Hi Amitcor,

Yes, my free domain could be working against me. So, I have decided to buy a new generic .Com domain. By the way I do have a decent website of my own. Its called ArtworksManiac.com. Currently, I am approved in only one Network VCommission.com. The offers are not that good, but what can I do. No one else is approving me. Having said that, I have not applied for more than 6 Networks. latest I have applied for is Hydra and had a chat with them last night. The lady sounded pretty rough. I am curious to see the status of my application.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

uhm...what search volume do these KWs have?
Who enters "pizza and coffee"?

As for the privacy policy stuff, yes:

Privacy Policy / Terms Of Service Generator

Thank you for the links to PV and POS Generator. It will surely help me out.

As per Google "pizza and coffee" has a search volume of 240 per month.

Achilles1963 · 06-01-2009, 11:13 PM

Wow, this is so cool of you to do, a lot of us newbies don't have the time and money to experiment with everything at first, now we can learn from your experience...i will be watching closely.

P.S. -Too many peopled worry about you getting your (experimental) niche stolen, this is stupid, in sales any niche is as good as the salesman working it, any niche can be a good niche.

SacredWealth · 06-01-2009, 11:37 PM

Thanks Achilles. I know people are worrying too much about my niche getting stolen. In fact some people cant believe that I am sharing my keywords. I don't mind it because I am just learning. The fact is that I would not know of my mistakes if I do not transparently tell what I did. Since, I showed everything I am doing, Warriors are able to point out my mistakes and that is helping me learn rapidly. This forum is a great learning place for me.

Matt Wolfe · 06-01-2009, 11:41 PM

This sounds great. I can't wait to see the results. I've experimented with PPC to CPA a little bit. I spent about $50 in a day and made about $10. The $40 loss scared me and I went back to my SEO work that actually has been profitable...

Mark 2 · 06-02-2009, 03:13 AM

Sandeep,

It's your start. 82 impressions 1 click and zero conversion is not bad at all. Most of the impressions I guess would be from the warriors to whom you showed the landing page. But I have checked you are expanding your activities too fast...!!! keep it up

amitcor · 06-02-2009, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SacredWealth

A Quick Update
For ow, I have decided to do direct linking for this campaign.

I would like to know if this is working for you, as i'm having difficulties getting any impressions in google with direct linking to the affiliate selling site.

gareth · 06-02-2009, 04:14 AM

Heres a tip for quality score - when in your adwords acct check wht keywords google finds your landing page relevant for.

Only use those keywords for that page and your QS will be excellent.

Optimize a different page for other keywords and check in adwords for relevancy first. This way you wont get slapped for QS on your keywords.

BrockSoft · 06-02-2009, 10:01 AM

LoL, 136% conversion rate is not to good to be true.

It's mathematically impossible.
Out of 100 people that enter the site, 136 buy ?

SacredWealth · 06-02-2009, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amitcor

I would like to know if this is working for you, as i'm having difficulties getting any impressions in google with direct linking to the affiliate selling site.

Since, I did the direct linking, I did not get a single impression

Also, I created another Ad group with much more popular keywords without any competition as per the Google Adwords tool and I got a quality score of 10/10 this time, but no impressions are showing up yet for this Adgroup.

When I did a diagnosis for each keyword, Google asked to contact supported as the automatic system was not able to give me any suggestions as to why ads were not appearing.

SacredWealth · 06-02-2009, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gareth

Heres a tip for quality score - when in your adwords acct check wht keywords google finds your landing page relevant for.

Only use those keywords for that page and your QS will be excellent.

Optimize a different page for other keywords and check in adwords for relevancy first. This way you wont get slapped for QS on your keywords.

Hi Gareth,

In my case, the quality score is excellent. Its 7/10 for one Adgroup an 10/10 for another. Also, the bid amount is not a problem. But, the ads are still not showing up on Google for my second Adgroup.

I have contact Google in this regard. They will take around 24 hours to respond I suppose. Till then, I will go buy a couple of good domain names for Free Stuff kind of offers.

SacredWealth · 06-02-2009, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrockSoft

LoL, 136% conversion rate is not to good to be true.

It's mathematically impossible.
Out of 100 people that enter the site, 136 buy ?

Yeah! I know its impossible...but, that's what my CPA Network quotes the conversion rate as.

amitcor · 06-02-2009, 10:51 AM

lol 136%.
next time only go for 310% offers

ccmusicman · 06-02-2009, 11:51 AM

Hey,

I'm not here to burst any bubbles or to discourage anyone from taking action...however, I think some realism is needed to be injected in this thread...

You are probably going to experience around a 5% conversion rate from traffic sent TO your offer. (If you have a landing page, that will drop some).

Second, best of luck direct linking. You most likely will NOT be able to get google to send you any traffic. If you do, it will probably end up costing you.

Third, be sure to have a budget to support this. It's going to be expensive. I almost ALWAYS double my bid to twice the expected CPC. I start high, then I lower it down. This gives me super high CTR. When the quality score hits 10, I then lower it down. I take a huge hit at first, but by the time I have a 10, I can lower it down to 25% my initial cost and my spot only drops from 1 to 3. The CTR drops some, but not much.

After that, I keep dropping until I can't anymore. I aim for spot 4 to 6.

This whole process takes about a week and I end up spending almost 500 bucks. However, by the time it's done, I'm paying about 15 cents a click, in spot 4 to 6.

I then send them to an opt-in page, where I can send emails every day for 14 days, sending them to my offer. This gets about a 10% sign up with the CPA and after 2 weeks, I'm in profit.

You can find out a different method, of course, but realistically, you will NOT experience any higher than a 15% sign up rate at the CPA. So, I would adjust your math a lot:

100 clicks to CPA at 30 cents a click is 30 bucks. Expect 5 to sign up. If you get paid 3 dollars a sign up, thats 15 bucks. In the hole by 15(This is with direct linking..) If you do a pre-sell page inbetween, expect about 50% to click to the actual site. So, 50 click through, and you still might get 5 people (so a 10%) due to your pre-sell. But more likely it will be 1 to 3 that actually sign up.

So, you have several options:

1. Get a squeeze page going and start capturing their info. Then you can sell to them over and over again, offering related offers. You will have a powerful backend funnel and you will make more money.

2. Obviously, focus on getting a higher CTR on your landing page.

3. Focus on getting lower bid prices.

Or, the smartest,

All three.

Once you do this, then you'll be making WAY more money, for a lot cheaper.

Hope this helps,

Rob

Achilles1963 · 06-02-2009, 01:51 PM

Nice landing page, but i had a hard time reading the "summary of program requirements" because it was transparent, also i was thinking...do your stats (CTR etc.) take into account the traffic from this thread visiting your site?

06-01-2009, 03:26 AM	#1
SacredWealth Sacred Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: India Posts: 141 Thanks: 14 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	My First CPA + PPC Experiment Hi Warriors, After going through a lot of stuff, I have finally decided to go ahead with my first thrift with CPA. I am not sure I will be able to earn a lot of money with this but, it at least will be a learning experience for me. So, here is what I plan to do... CPA Network: I am currently a member of only one CPA Network i.e., Vcommission. CPA Offer: I have chosen to promote the best converting offer at VCommission which is a Free Restaurant Gift Card for those who take the Best Pizza Survey. It converts at 136.36% per lead and pays $1.12 per lead. Technical, I don't know how anything can convert at 136.36%. That's just too good to be true, but I am going try it anyway Advertising Method: PPC on Google Keywords Chosen: pizza and cafe sports bar pizza pizza and wine bar pizza and steak pizza and seafood pizza and restaurant pizza and coffee pizza and bbq pizza and bar bistro and pizza Estimated Avg. CPC 0.05$ But, I will pay $0.07 Global Monthly Search Volume 12950 Global Monthly Daily Search Volume 431.6666667 Estimated Clicks It depends on how appealing my Ad is. I am myself a beginner so I am not sure, if I will get any clicks at all in the first place. Keywords Tool: Google Keywords Tool Estimated Income Let's assume, I get 50 clicks from 431.6 impressions, I will lose $3.5. However, if those clicks actually convert as per the conversion estimate of VCommission i.e., more than %100, I will earn $50. So, investing $3.5 to earn $50 is not a bad thing. Is it? But, lets not count the chickens before they hatch. I still need to prepare my landing page (which I am not so experienced at), setup my domain forwarding. So, there is a lot of work to do. I will update the other things, once my campaign gets started. OK. Let me go and kick some butt with my Frontpage.
	http://GSniperExperience.info/

06-01-2009, 04:42 AM	#2
SacredWealth Sacred Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: India Posts: 141 Thanks: 14 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Well! as I said earlier, I am doing an experiment. So, I am telling you everything I am doing. It is up to the individuals to believe me or not. Once I setup everything, I will give you the screenshots. I hope at least then, you will believe me. BTW, I do not know for sure, if everything will work as intended or not. I collected these keywords using the Google Keywords tool. Just type in any phrase in Google Adwords tool and you will get some good suggestions from Google. I don't know what you mean by dead keywords. They do have search volume but, not competition.
	http://GSniperExperience.info/ Last edited by SacredWealth; 06-01-2009 at 12:02 PM. Reason: Had not answered completely the first time.

06-01-2009, 07:01 AM	#3
lovesazu Active Warrior Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment well is it really worked for you ? surely wait for a few weeks, n see the result, if its really work for you then do share with us howz the result surely everyone will be intrested to spending a money if geting more in retrn

06-01-2009, 07:10 AM	#4
SacredWealth Sacred Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: India Posts: 141 Thanks: 14 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Update Here is an update for everyone: 1. I created a landing page in Microsoft Frontpage just by compiling the resources provided by the Advertiser. I did not use any sales pitch as such. 2. I uploaded the page to my web hosting account using my FTP client Filezilla. 3. I got got a Free domain name and redirected it to my landing page that I had just uploaded via FTP. The Next Steps: 1. I need to setup a new Google Adwords Account with US Dollar Currency 2. Refine my Keywords 3. Write an attractive Ad Will update you with the progress soon.
	http://GSniperExperience.info/

06-01-2009, 07:13 AM	#5
SacredWealth Sacred Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: India Posts: 141 Thanks: 14 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Forgot to mention: Here is my landing page, in case you want to see. In case you live in US, I don't mind you taking the survey
	http://GSniperExperience.info/

06-01-2009, 07:27 AM	#6
Solidsnake Senior Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,468 Thanks: 26 Thanked 64 Times in 50 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment I think directing the visitors to CPA product page is more effective..
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06-01-2009, 08:17 AM	#10
SacredWealth Sacred Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: India Posts: 141 Thanks: 14 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment A surprise for you guys...my landing page URL has got indexed on Goolge only in a few hours. If you search with my free domain name. You will get the first and only result which my little landing page. If you use a Keyword Phrase "Free $500 Pizza card," you will find it to be the second result out there. That's cool. Is it not? Now, let me go and setup my Google Adwords account and sorry for the delay. There was a power cut at my home.
	http://GSniperExperience.info/

06-01-2009, 08:27 AM	#12
Kim Davis Ghostwriter War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ontario Posts: 218 Thanks: 9 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment I get the same view in IE....I hope you do well with it....your call to action is not very clear....You should know within seconds what the page is about and what you are so supposed to do....I found it too busy to figure it out in seconds...my eyes weren't sure where to go first.....I know you didn't ask for my opinon but I thought I would mention it.....
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06-01-2009, 09:23 AM	#14
4thstreet Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: , , . Posts: 818 Thanks: 24 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment If you are going to use G you will have to add a privacy & an "about" page. You may also want to add some type of articles or recipes for pizza - more value to visitor - less cost with G and less chance to have your campaign shut down.
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06-01-2009, 09:39 AM	#15
Solidsnake Senior Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,468 Thanks: 26 Thanked 64 Times in 50 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment There's a slight problem with firefox but all in all, you have a fantastic landing page..
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06-01-2009, 09:52 AM	#18
SacredWealth Sacred Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: India Posts: 141 Thanks: 14 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Here's an update I have setup my add on Google: © Free $500 Pizza Card Just Tell Us Your Best Pizza Place & Get A Free $500 Gift Card Now www.PizzaSurveyFreeGiftCard.co.nr Currently, I am using only 10 Keywords: pizza and cafe sports bar pizza pizza and wine bar pizza and steak pizza and seafood pizza and restaurant pizza and coffee pizza and bbq pizza and bar bistro and pizza Currently, none of the above Keywords have any sought of Advertiser competition associated with them (unless, my fellow warriors decide to steel some of them ). I am paying $0.07 per click to Google and hope to convert all clicks. Ofcourse, it all depends on how compelling visitors find my landing page and a lot of other things. All in all, whether I succeed or not, I am sure, it will be a good learning experience for me and for all those who are following this thread.
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06-01-2009, 10:00 AM	#20
SacredWealth Sacred Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: India Posts: 141 Thanks: 14 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Good News I got a OK (7/10) quality score for all my Keywords. I am curious to see how they perform over a day or 2. BTW, I am working on my Privacy and other pages that some of the other Warriors have recommended. Thank you all for your suggestions. Please keep them coming. I need to learn a lot.
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06-01-2009, 10:18 AM	#21
Mark 2 Active Warrior Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 62 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Sandeep, you caught me... I never spent too much time on any single page. Would you believe I have read every single word and line you are doing. Best of luck, and looking farward positive results from you.

06-01-2009, 10:40 AM	#23
vpatodi Warrior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Sandeep All the Best, I am doing IM for last one year and not even accomplished any success. You have inspired me

06-01-2009, 11:13 AM	#25
SacredWealth Sacred Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: India Posts: 141 Thanks: 14 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment I have now started getting impressions for my keywords. Only six till now, but I am excited about the possibilities after 24 hours.
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06-01-2009, 11:30 AM	#26
Flyingpig7 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: United Kingdom. Posts: 233 Thanks: 48 Thanked 30 Times in 28 Posts Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment I like your landing page. I think your brave sharing this with us but I'm grateful for the opportunity to learn from your experiment as I shall follow it with great interest. I have always wanted to know the nuts & bolts of running a CPA campaign. I wish you great success, (& ROI) Sandeep. By the way where did you get a free domain from? Cheers Keren
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06-01-2009, 11:58 AM	#28
SacredWealth Sacred Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: India Posts: 141 Thanks: 14 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Ok...I am going to bed now...will post more updates tomorrow morning..hopefully no sad news.
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06-01-2009, 02:01 PM	#29
Samos Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 32 Thanks: 16 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment I subscribed to the thread. Great to read I'm also a newb who is starting with ppc and cpa only had a little succes yet. My best traffic is from SEO.

06-01-2009, 02:43 PM	#30
redicelander Viking Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Easter Island Posts: 419 Thanks: 9 Thanked 22 Times in 21 Posts	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Wow, that's crazy that you're throwing all your keywords and strategies out there. I wouldn't be so trusting, but anyway...
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06-01-2009, 03:16 PM	#31
mosilager Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 56 Thanks: 52 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Good luck with your experiment, it's always nice to see a newbie try something....I'm new at CPA as well, and just finished my 1st month where I made $19 , nothing to write home about, but I'm excited and can't wait to build on it...

06-01-2009, 03:38 PM	#32
John34 Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 733 Thanks: 46 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Your landing page is down,thats the problem with free domains.

06-01-2009, 04:22 PM	#33
Paul Clutterbuck HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 185 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Hey there, keep up with the testing. Have you tried direct linking??? I use direct linking to find profitable campaigns before i start building pages. could be a waste of your time. But hey, keep testing.
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06-01-2009, 07:10 PM	#34
amitcor Active Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 83 Thanks: 7 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Hi man, good luck, hope you succeed on your first attempt. - you can always find privacy statements and any other statement you need. just search. if you don't find i can send you anything that you need. spreadsheats that you can use. - could it be that your free domain ending (co.nr) is working against you and damaging your CTR? I'm not sure if i would want to click something that is not *.com . not sure though. also i think that if it start working for you - change your landing page. it's not even semi-professional ( duhhh ) -How did you get an approval to a CPA network without a site? did you talk to them on the phone? did you write an email? what did you say? i understand they can be hard to deal with. Great work man, thanks for sharing! Looking forward to updates -

06-01-2009, 07:39 PM	#35
GeorgR. Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 2,542 Thanks: 10 Thanked 200 Times in 130 Posts Social Networking	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment uhm...what search volume do these KWs have? Who enters "pizza and coffee"? As for the privacy policy stuff, yes: Privacy Policy / Terms Of Service Generator
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06-01-2009, 10:43 PM	#36
SacredWealth Sacred Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: India Posts: 141 Thanks: 14 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment A Quick Update I had 82 impressions in the last 12 hours and just one click for the keyword " pizza and seafood." The CTR is 1.22%. It may be disappointing, but again its just a first attempt. Following can be the reasons for my low CTR: 1. My Ad is not compelling enough to click. 2. Users do not want to click on a .Co.Nr domain. As far as the conversion ability of the landing page is concerned, can't say much because I just got one click which did not convert. But, I guess I can take a word from some of you warriors according to whom it is bad. For ow, I have decided to do direct linking for this campaign. In addition, I am thinking of starting a new Adgroup with a different set of keywords. Here are action items: 1. Buy a generic .Com domain name to promote Free Stuff offers (Especially for Zip & e-mail submits). I already have web hosting. 2. Create separate Subdomain for each offer. 3. Create better landing pages 4. Create Privacy & TOS pages. I will get back to you soon with further updates.
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06-01-2009, 11:13 PM	#38
Achilles1963 Achilles1963 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Denver Posts: 107 Thanks: 130 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Wow, this is so cool of you to do, a lot of us newbies don't have the time and money to experiment with everything at first, now we can learn from your experience...i will be watching closely. P.S. -Too many peopled worry about you getting your (experimental) niche stolen, this is stupid, in sales any niche is as good as the salesman working it, any niche can be a good niche.

06-01-2009, 11:37 PM	#39
SacredWealth Sacred Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: India Posts: 141 Thanks: 14 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Thanks Achilles. I know people are worrying too much about my niche getting stolen. In fact some people cant believe that I am sharing my keywords. I don't mind it because I am just learning. The fact is that I would not know of my mistakes if I do not transparently tell what I did. Since, I showed everything I am doing, Warriors are able to point out my mistakes and that is helping me learn rapidly. This forum is a great learning place for me.
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06-01-2009, 11:41 PM	#40
Matt Wolfe Pro-Warrior in Training War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 146 Thanks: 32 Thanked 87 Times in 17 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment This sounds great. I can't wait to see the results. I've experimented with PPC to CPA a little bit. I spent about $50 in a day and made about $10. The $40 loss scared me and I went back to my SEO work that actually has been profitable...
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06-02-2009, 03:13 AM	#41
Mark 2 Active Warrior Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 62 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Sandeep, It's your start. 82 impressions 1 click and zero conversion is not bad at all. Most of the impressions I guess would be from the warriors to whom you showed the landing page. But I have checked you are expanding your activities too fast...!!! keep it up
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06-02-2009, 04:14 AM	#43
gareth Bidee Bidee Bidee War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New Zealand. Posts: 1,523 Thanks: 25 Thanked 37 Times in 25 Posts Social Networking	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Heres a tip for quality score - when in your adwords acct check wht keywords google finds your landing page relevant for. Only use those keywords for that page and your QS will be excellent. Optimize a different page for other keywords and check in adwords for relevancy first. This way you wont get slapped for QS on your keywords.
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06-02-2009, 10:01 AM	#44
BrockSoft Warrior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment LoL, 136% conversion rate is not to good to be true. It's mathematically impossible. Out of 100 people that enter the site, 136 buy ?

06-02-2009, 10:51 AM	#48
amitcor Active Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 83 Thanks: 7 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment lol 136%. next time only go for 310% offers

06-02-2009, 11:51 AM	#49
ccmusicman Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 506 Thanks: 95 Thanked 107 Times in 40 Posts	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Hey, I'm not here to burst any bubbles or to discourage anyone from taking action...however, I think some realism is needed to be injected in this thread... You are probably going to experience around a 5% conversion rate from traffic sent TO your offer. (If you have a landing page, that will drop some). Second, best of luck direct linking. You most likely will NOT be able to get google to send you any traffic. If you do, it will probably end up costing you. Third, be sure to have a budget to support this. It's going to be expensive. I almost ALWAYS double my bid to twice the expected CPC. I start high, then I lower it down. This gives me super high CTR. When the quality score hits 10, I then lower it down. I take a huge hit at first, but by the time I have a 10, I can lower it down to 25% my initial cost and my spot only drops from 1 to 3. The CTR drops some, but not much. After that, I keep dropping until I can't anymore. I aim for spot 4 to 6. This whole process takes about a week and I end up spending almost 500 bucks. However, by the time it's done, I'm paying about 15 cents a click, in spot 4 to 6. I then send them to an opt-in page, where I can send emails every day for 14 days, sending them to my offer. This gets about a 10% sign up with the CPA and after 2 weeks, I'm in profit. You can find out a different method, of course, but realistically, you will NOT experience any higher than a 15% sign up rate at the CPA. So, I would adjust your math a lot: 100 clicks to CPA at 30 cents a click is 30 bucks. Expect 5 to sign up. If you get paid 3 dollars a sign up, thats 15 bucks. In the hole by 15(This is with direct linking..) If you do a pre-sell page inbetween, expect about 50% to click to the actual site. So, 50 click through, and you still might get 5 people (so a 10%) due to your pre-sell. But more likely it will be 1 to 3 that actually sign up. So, you have several options: 1. Get a squeeze page going and start capturing their info. Then you can sell to them over and over again, offering related offers. You will have a powerful backend funnel and you will make more money. 2. Obviously, focus on getting a higher CTR on your landing page. 3. Focus on getting lower bid prices. Or, the smartest, All three. Once you do this, then you'll be making WAY more money, for a lot cheaper. Hope this helps, Rob

06-02-2009, 01:51 PM	#50
Achilles1963 Achilles1963 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Denver Posts: 107 Thanks: 130 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: My First CPA + PPC Experiment Nice landing page, but i had a hard time reading the "summary of program requirements" because it was transparent, also i was thinking...do your stats (CTR etc.) take into account the traffic from this thread visiting your site?