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Unread 8th August 2012, 06:47 PM   #1
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i submitted my first ad on plenty of fish yesterday it was a dating offer and after 24 hours my ads status went from pending approval to needs creatives i made some changes and ran it again same thing has happened again i changed that offer with another dating offer..within a minute after submitting the ad the ads status went from pending to running and within a minute i had 46617 imps and 24 clicks with zero conversion and burned $ 25 just like that does this usually happens or there is something went wrong with my ad? i still believe that my ad didn't run long enough to have that much impressions.
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mr finnj i know people live on that site that is why i'm advertising on it but what are you trying to say?
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well IMO reason was high bid , And To be honest i like to burn my testing budget as fast as i can so i can have initial data .... In your case i guess your creatives were not attractive enough to get good number of clicks ?

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well IMO reason was high bid , And To be honest i like to burn my testing budget as fast as i can so i can have initial data .... In your case i guess your creatives were not attractive enough to get good number of clicks ?
yes my bid was a little bit higher but my creatives wasnt that bad i put on nice and hot picture with a good headline i'm not quite sure if the landing page is good enough though to get visitors put their emails in the box as i used direct linking.
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Sounds like you had a high bid and very little targeting, maybe try to tighten your targeting

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Sounds like you had a high bid and very little targeting, maybe try to tighten your targeting
crisba the suggested bid was .40 to .80 and i chose 50 was that a bad decision? how much bid do you usually start with? plus my targeting was way higher than usually i targeted 3 countries at the same time lol silly me .but is okay i have learnt a good lesson and gain confidence along the way.
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seems you have bad ctr. try to review your landing page and targeted keyword.

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Does PoF only offer PPV? Or do they also have a PPC model? Also, is there a minimum deposit/budget I must invest to try with them? Thanks guys.

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cheaper ways to use PoF lol good luck with the ppc
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You must have set your ad for instant distribution. Had you set it to "evenly", it wouldn't have happened.
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You must have set your ad for instant distribution. Had you set it to "evenly", it wouldn't have happened.
no trevor i set for distribute evenly. the problem was i targeted to large audience.
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My suggestion is rise your bid at your next testing, I find better CTR with bidding higher but again if your ad copy not perform well then you will burn money faster

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I'm not an expert in POF but do have some experience. My guess is you have too broad target audience and too high bid. Why don't you try lowering your bid? The last time I placed a bid there, I set it at $0.20 with very narrow target (country, gender, age, marital status, number of login, etc).

From my understanding, as you request more targeted audience, you would pay higher bid. Oh, and my above bid give me 6-10 clicks for only $1.5 though my creatives (yes, it's plural) are quite plain.


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i submitted my first ad on plenty of fish yesterday it was a dating offer and after 24 hours my ads status went from pending approval to needs creatives i made some changes and ran it again same thing has happened again i changed that offer with another dating offer..within a minute after submitting the ad the ads status went from pending to running and within a minute i had 46617 imps and 24 clicks with zero conversion and burned $ 25 just like that does this usually happens or there is something went wrong with my ad? i still believe that my ad didn't run long enough to have that much impressions.
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Does PoF only offer PPV? Or do they also have a PPC model? Also, is there a minimum deposit/budget I must invest to try with them? Thanks guys.
The last time I visited PoF they requested a $1,000 upfront deposit so I ran away. Don't know if this changed.

My question for this Forum is: did somebody made a good ROI in PoF?
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I'm not an expert in POF but do have some experience. My guess is you have too broad target audience and too high bid. Why don't you try lowering your bid? The last time I placed a bid there, I set it at $0.20 with very narrow target (country, gender, age, marital status, number of login, etc).

From my understanding, as you request more targeted audience, you would pay higher bid. Oh, and my above bid give me 6-10 clicks for only $1.5 though my creatives (yes, it's plural) are quite plain.
Hi Nubitol, I guess that by now you got some more clicks over there.
Are you promoting more than one product in PoF?
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@Thair - What kind of offers are you promoting?

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dont worry it happens when it get things going for the first time. if you bid high and also go braod, you will burn budget lot quicker. you need to target your audience properly. Try to digg in as much as possible. Start bidding low, if no impression then slowly increase your bid,

Try multiple creatives with images, adcopy and description. kills those ads quickly which get no to less clicks. give them few thousand impression if not no good then its time to kill.
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Does anyone know if there is a minimum?
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Erhm ... this is how advertising works. You try a traffic source, blow some money, see if it converts. If not, you can either tweak and see if things improve (on your website or on your PPC campaign) ... or go to another traffic source alltogether. But $25 is nothing, try going through $1-2k a DAY via PPC, then we're talking serious money

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Erhm ... this is how advertising works. You try a traffic source, blow some money, see if it converts. If not, you can either tweak and see if things improve (on your website or on your PPC campaign) ... or go to another traffic source alltogether. But $25 is nothing, try going through $1-2k a DAY via PPC, then we're talking serious money

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Hey Nick, you mean budgeting $1.000/$2,000 a day just for testing your ads?
Obvioulsy it may work better but you must have very deep pockets man
What if you go with $1K and for whatever reason you fail? You'll surely stop that campaign but the $1k blew away.
I think that getting some 300/400 clicks on ad and a std conversion rate with $50 in a good network it can be enough to roughly estimate the ROI of the campaign. If you fail, then you can either make some changes to your ad and/or LP and repeat with similar budget or switch to another network (not G. Adwords I would say).
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Use more targeting. You need to specifically target a smaller audience.
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What CTR % do you desire in order to keep an ad running? What CPC do you like for POF?

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You need to specifically target
you can google : Plenty of Fish Advertising Platforms VIDEO Case Study- NOOB friendly
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If I remember correctly, POF has a minimum of $25 or possibly $50 dollars.

Is your offer that broad? I mean, is it for use in 30 countries like you listed? Try to limit your target, by age, sex, status (single), and maybe try one country? USA?
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Get an account on Plenty of Fish and look at other people's ads see what they are doing. Come up with ways to make things better.

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Erhm ... this is how advertising works. You try a traffic source, blow some money, see if it converts. If not, you can either tweak and see if things improve (on your website or on your PPC campaign) ... or go to another traffic source alltogether. But $25 is nothing, try going through $1-2k a DAY via PPC, then we're talking serious money

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dont worry it happens when it get things going for the first time. if you bid high and also go braod, you will burn budget lot quicker. you need to target your audience properly. Try to digg in as much as possible. Start bidding low, if no impression then slowly increase your bid,

Try multiple creatives with images, adcopy and description. kills those ads quickly which get no to less clicks. give them few thousand impression if not no good then its time to kill.
thanks aminur biding high and targeting much higher audience was the mistake i made luckily i didn't pay too much price for it $25 is nothing compared to what i have learned.
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My suggestion is rise your bid at your next testing, I find better CTR with bidding higher but again if your ad copy not perform well then you will burn money faster
my bid was .50 ten cents more than the suggested bid are you saying i should rise more? plus pof is very much restrictive than i expected they don't approve ads with revealing pictures they give way too much lame excuses to reject your ad sometimes they go like "your ad text is sexual and 100% percent free" has this ever happened to one of your ads? and what kind of images do you use for your ad?
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What CTR % do you desire in order to keep an ad running? What CPC do you like for POF?

how many impressions before you kill an ad?
0.15%CTR and above. i use cpm .and as for the impressions i kill the offer if it gets 3k impressions without a click.
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If I remember correctly, POF has a minimum of $25 or possibly $50 dollars.

Is your offer that broad? I mean, is it for use in 30 countries like you listed? Try to limit your target, by age, sex, status (single), and maybe try one country? USA?
yes the minimum deposit is still $25. you right i barely targeted more than 3 countries in that offer and the amount of impressions it received in matter of seconds was like i targeted the whole world i didn't know pof had such a huge members which is a good thing for me because i realized the half of the entire world of daters live in that site and if i target small piece of them rather than all of them i will have my hands full of money in no time
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Thanks for all the chatter on this. I think we all make mistakes with new services when we use them the first time. OP is right though - his $25 education is invaluable in the long run and now that he has shared his experience we've learned on his dime too. Question, though, with 24 clicks and 0 conversions were you linking directly to a sale page or did you at least collect their contact information for dripping through your system?

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thanks buddy am definitely going to check that out.
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At PoF, you simply fund the minimum $25, then set the maximum for one ad at $5 total. Choose 10 cents per click.

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Thanks for all the chatter on this. I think we all make mistakes with new services when we use them the first time. OP is right though - his $25 education is invaluable in the long run and now that he has shared his experience we've learned on his dime too. Question, though, with 24 clicks and 0 conversions were you linking directly to a sale page or did you at least collect their contact information for dripping through your system?
yes i linked directly to the offer page and i think this is the main reason they didn't sign up most of the dating sites have long form to fill and people don't like that .
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[QUOTE=Brant;6779449]At PoF, you simply fund the minimum $25, then set the maximum for one ad at $5 total. Choose 10 cents per click.

What's important is stipulating prospective viewers precisely. And, having quality appropriate affiliate products to market there.[/QUOTE you mean set $5 for each ad in same campaign cuze at pof the minimum daily budget for a campaign is $15 .
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my bid was .50 ten cents more than the suggested bid are you saying i should rise more? plus pof is very much restrictive than i expected they don't approve ads with revealing pictures they give way too much lame excuses to reject your ad sometimes they go like "your ad text is sexual and 100% percent free" has this ever happened to one of your ads? and what kind of images do you use for your ad?
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Try being super targeted in your ad copy also. ie:

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By using these tags you can include the user’s gender, age, or the state they live in on your ad title or description. Here is an example:

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OK ::Insert Noob Comment now:: I have been trying out the whole POF campain with a Dating CPA. I basically wanted to know how to create more than one account after being banned, without a VPN or Private proxies. Is this possible. Like i said i am total noob so please speak to me like i am 2. I did rather well with the 1 profile i made and got over $240 in earnings so the profile i made and landing page are both great. For a test.
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yes my bid was a little bit higher but my creatives wasnt that bad i put on nice and hot picture with a good headline i'm not quite sure if the landing page is good enough though to get visitors put their emails in the box as i used direct linking.
Split Testing.

You say your creatives where good, yet proof tells me and you otherwise, your CTR was terrible, thats not a landing page issue.

CTR issue= Creative issue
Conversion issues= Landing page issue

Did you A/B testing on landing pages and creatives?

My ad network automatically does all this, IF people spent the time and put more than 1 creative and 1 landing page. It automatically scores them them and slows the bad combos and speeds up the good ones.

So, if your using an ad network that wont do that, then you need to do it yourself. Otherwise your wasting your time.

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That's crazy, probably super high CPC.

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His CTR was what .36?

If his targeting is OK and the traffic is decent, the he needs to adjust the creative.

You cant say a creative is working if your CTR is .36% Your traffic must like your creative to work. So your traffic is either poor or your creative is not suited to the traffic.

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Split Testing.

You say your creatives where good, yet proof tells me and you otherwise, your CTR was terrible, thats not a landing page issue.

CTR issue= Creative issue
Conversion issues= Landing page issue

Did you A/B testing on landing pages and creatives?

My ad network automatically does all this, IF people spent the time and put more than 1 creative and 1 landing page. It automatically scores them them and slows the bad combos and speeds up the good ones.

So, if your using an ad network that wont do that, then you need to do it yourself. Otherwise your wasting your time.

Sorry to be blunt, I just don't like seeing people wasting their time.
the ad network that i used was POF and as many of you are familiar with it does allow split testing /different images,different headlines and even different body text and i did all of these and i split tested all of these i used 6 different images in one campaign yet my CTR was too low. one thing i suspected for my low CTR is that the images i used wasnt the type of images that attract many clicks and the reason is POF rejected most of the images that i hoped would attract more attention. images with cleavages buttocks, big breasts these images are the ones that attract many clickers if i'm not wrong unfortunately POF didn't allow me to use them ,,they only want face,s and fully dressed bodies and people see these all the time . pof reject body text that sounds more sexual and appealing to its costumers i don't know how you guys get pass through these barriers but i stuck in this .
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OK ::Insert Noob Comment now:: I have been trying out the whole POF campain with a Dating CPA. I basically wanted to know how to create more than one account after being banned, without a VPN or Private proxies. Is this possible. Like i said i am total noob so please speak to me like i am 2. I did rather well with the 1 profile i made and got over $240 in earnings so the profile i made and landing page are both great. For a test.
what did you do to get banned in the first place?
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Try being super targeted in your ad copy also. ie:

{gender:default}
{age:default}
{state:default}

By using these tags you can include the userís gender, age, or the state they live in on your ad title or description. Here is an example:

Title: Low Insurance Rates in {state:the US}!
Description: We have the lowest rates for {gender:people} {age:25+}.

This was from some dudes blog, but I keep a copy just to remind me.
thanks danny i will definitely use these tags in my next campaign
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If you interested you can register on my private forum and send PM for quick approval. I will give an insight how my campaign running on POF and some ideas for creating landing pages.

Bisnisonlinez Private Forum &bull; Index page
i just made registration on your forum and sent you a pm with my user name
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