Please Explain Something to Me (Network Owners in Particular)

Great question. I would love to see some of the network owners/affiliate managers replies.

I'm not a network owner/advertiser but I do believe cash is a more powerful motivator for people and that would mean the leads would carry less value for advertiser ..

that's exactly my point!

Georg, do you use any of the *allowed - like mmo games* ways to promote incentivizeable offers? Just wondering if you actually get paid for all the leads in the end.

My understanding is that if the offer states "no incentive" then that means NONE. No points, no nothing, not just no cash.

If you're paying someone via paypal for a lead, there's the strong possiblity that the person is going to want to submit way more then one lead for you in return for payment. Which means a lot of fake leads, or at least the potential for a lot of fake leads.

If you're offering:

* free items/gifts...maybe i give them a free domain name ...
* a box of candy

Then it's believed that the person your gave the incentive is not going to want a million identical free gifts, or a million boxes of candy. There's also the delivery timeframe. Cash takes a couple seconds to transfer, meaning you could potentially send a couple thousand leads to a network who is paying you say daily for your high volume. But the network won't discover they're actually 99% fraudulent until a week or so later when the merchant starts noticing. So you could make off with a lot of the networks money. Just because the network pays quickly, doesn't mean the merchant has paid them yet. Most networks pay you from their pocket, then wait for payment from the merchant. So you could use that to your advantage if you're trying to cheat the system. Mind you I don't know of any network that will take a shit load of traffic from day one and pay you daily without knowing a lot about you and your traffic history. If you find one that does blindly do this, they'll be out of business real quick.

Personally I would put:

* WOW/runescape gold/game item ...
* "rewards" or "points"

In the same category as sending them money via paypal, but in reality it's totally up to the merchant, not the network, what is acceptable and what isn't. The ultimate goal for the network an the merchant is to reduce the potential for fraud or attempted fraud to as small a possibility as they can.

Yes, in some networks, in their TOS it says that for incentivizeable offers you NEED to take measures so people cannot do such things. Like IP checking, things like that so people cant sign up multiple times from one IP.

So..the responsibility to reduce fraud is on YOU/ME.

As for the method (aka runescape method)...i am set up...but i am not sure if i have the time to do this. It doesnt work with WoW since WoW gold is way, way more expensive than runsescape gold, other technicalities aside.

Hi GeorgR

I am running a lead campaign on several networks, with one condition - that the lead will give us a real phone number, and a real E-mail.

I see affiliates that are running incentives campaigns where I get tons of leads pouring in a matter of hours - none of them giving a genuine phone number, a few are giving a real E-mail.

Now - if you were the merchant, Would you pay real $$ for those leads? Those $$ must come from somewhere, and they come from real leads who are converting into real customers.

bay,

well i am an avid WoW player..i need to calculate ROI for this. Is there ANY chance to get my account banned? I would be devastated...i am not even lying...

mimi: I am NOT talking about any fake submits. I assume that the emails/ZIPs etc. are real. It would be in my own interest to have legit leads since i want to get paid

i dont think contacting people would be a problem.

Because they would REALLY get the free wow gold for filling out a couple INCETIVIZEABLE (of course!) offers.

If someone doesnt want it, good. But noone gets scammed or anything. Its pretty straight forward.

But i am sure its against WoW tos. I mean, buying gold is "semi legal"..and i cant see it being within TOS to hand out free WoW gold left and right for some "favors". My lvl80 toon is just to valuable to risk this

The only workaround here is to get another acc (my 3rd one then) and do all this from another acc. But it would require $100 to get the new account., CD keys, time cards etc..

I was thinking about all this today i am am positive that this is a HUGE, HUGE money maker - at least on the level like "CPA supremecy"....because if you only get 20 people a day....this would be $500-$600++/DAY *easily*.

I am just more comfortable with WoW since i never played RS...but for RS it seems it might be easier to do all this.

I am literally SCARED to think this further, aka hiring people from creaigslist or forums..and let 10-20 people work for you doing this...cutting deals with chinese gold farmers, things like that. (They could also distribute the gold for you, and you buy at their sites in return)

This could be a thousands and thousands dollars/day business..no, not "could", i am positive it works.

Like someone above said, you really have to pay attention to the offers you run. I am actually in the incentive based site campaigns. I've only had 2 reversals in almost 2 1/2 years so I fair ok. I mainly deal with WAHMs who are looking to save a few bucks so they do the surveys and such. CPAStorm is great for incentive based traffic. Then like another said above, you do have to watch who you contact if you don't run an incentive based site because there are many waiting for that chance to bump someone out of the game

well i am "overthinking" and "overplanning" again - i was just looking into the option to get a "freebie/rewards script" to manage this better. But BASICALLY this can also work just slapping a bunch of banners on a site and tell them to complete the offers.

Yes, you are right...ATM with WoW its a little to complicated and too expensive PLUS the risk for my acc..so i will learn to trade with my RS account.

As for the offers:

Well i ASSUME the leads are of less quality - but thats to be expected. But in my programs i have PLENTY of incentive offers, averaging $1 - $2.50..whereas the $1 ones are usually 1 page submits and the $2.50ish ones are 4 page submits.

It says EXPLICITELY "incentives allowed" for those offers - so i have no reason to not do this and to all my knowledge i am not breaking ANY tos. Also, you can always talk with the AMs and check things out if you're unsure..

And yes, the time to fill out the offers and get the gold should be reasonable....it might be something like $8-$10 per scompleted set of offers...and the RS gold i erward them with would only be pennies literally. They shouldnt need longer than 10mins...then they get their gold and i made approx $10

NExt step i will make some simple site with the offers - but as said i would want to have some "management system", but those scripts are all not cheap.

well this sucks. But...i dont give them cash, so i assume that "points" or whatever also applies to rewards, whatever i reward them with.

But yes, there are even more stupid things to consider, eg. if they're not 18 (which can very well be the case)..another reason to scrub. I really need to think more about this.

The best thing would be if i COULD advertise and promote "free gold" (wow or rs, whatever) and actually drive traffic to a site without the need to be "in game". And then reward them with coupons/vouchers (not money!) so they can get their gold from some vendor with those vouchers.

(Because obviously i just cant pay them paypal and then say: No go and buy some gold - then it would be against TOS)

Any idea how to go about this?