The Death of Spun Content

[Mainze]

Seems that way to me, original content is the only way to build links.

Thoughts.....?

[akasheg]

Yes absolutely original and informative content is the key to success now, create something useful enough people will reward you with links and the search engines with rankings.

[Leanne King]

original content for your main site, spun content for your feeder sites and links

[Mainze]

Originally Posted by Leanne King

original content for your main site, spun content for your feeder sites and links

For me spun content is useless for these, unless you spin it to 3-400%

Which in that case you may as well write a original article.

[adamv]

There's no way I'm going to write one article for every two or three links I can get from it. If you can syndicate your article without spinning that's great but a lot of the blog networks require articles to be spun so I spin because I have to. I try to get as much mileage as possible out of my articles though so there's no way every single place I get a backlink from is getting original content.

[PleaseHelpMe]

I think the error that many make is that somehow spinning means that uniqueness goes out the wind as well as quality.

If I spin an article I spend a ton of time on doing research on words and have as close to 100% uniqueness as possible.

The goal and end result should always be top notch content that is written for the user and adds value to the internet community.

[JimmyR]

Original Content: One article = one link

Spun Content: One article = 500 links

I'll stick to my spinning

[ichl13]

Original good quality content is the way forward for the internet, more specifically, anything you right should put the reader or visitor first and not the search engines

[Mainze]

Originally Posted by JimmyR

Original Content: One article = one link

Spun Content: One article = 500 links

I'll stick to my spinning

It's not though really is it you would be lucky to get 1.....very lucky, from spun content.

[bikramksingh]

Originally Posted by Mainze

Seems that way to me, original content is the only way to build links.

Thoughts.....?

Not exactly. You can build links using duplicate content as well. There are plenty of ways to do so, but you cannot build quality backlinks without original content.

It's on you to decide what you want quantity(tons and tons of useless links) or quality ( a handful of useful links).

[wolfmmiii]

Originally Posted by Mainze

It's not though really is it you would be lucky to get 1.....very lucky, from spun content.

Not even remotely accurate. I use spun content for various reasons, article submission being just one of them. My spun articles are picked up by many, many relevant sites.

Many people simply cannot (or refuse to) understand the difference between "spun" and "crappy". They are not the same. If you looked at my spun content, you'd never know it was spun.

[bikramksingh]

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

Not even remotely accurate. I use spun content for various reasons, article submission being just one of them. My spun articles are picked up by many, many relevant sites.

Many people simply cannot (or refuse to) understand the difference between "spun" and "crappy". They are not the same. If you looked at my spun content, you'd never know it was spun.

can you show us some example of your spun content. Would be interested to see how original they look, and please also share the original article of that one.

[Targeted Traffic]

As Google places higher and higher value on the quality of the content, this tactic is not as effective, and can even harm a website’s ranking if overdone.

For the small business website owner, this should come as good news. Instead of generating 50 articles with subpar content, website owners can now focus on creating fewer high-quality articles or incoming links, as Google is no longer placing much value in links from article distribution sites such as Ezine.com.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by Mainze

Seems that way to me, original content is the only way to build links.

Thoughts.....?

If the spun article is only for links (bots), it will work all day long.

Google isn't that complex that their bots can comprehend a proper sentence, like a human reading the content can.

[Psykryph]

Since most people don't even read articles, I say spun content is the way to go. Original content is great if you really make it not only unique but USEFUL and not some rehashing thing, but to all those with poor writing skills and nothing much new to offer, keep fooling yourself that your "unique" content is better than those who use spun content.

[Domsa]

I spin 500 word articles to about 85-95% uniqueness and never had any problems. Make sure the sentence and the paragraph make sense no matter which word/phrase is chosen. It takes more time, but it's far more rewarding.

[JimmyR]

Originally Posted by Mainze

It's not though really is it you would be lucky to get 1.....very lucky, from spun content.

It really depends where you are submitting to. I submit to ArticleRanks, BMR, AMR and a few more, and can tell you that I see a LOT of links. Five hundred won't show up no, but still a lot more than one

Originally Posted by Psykryph

Since most people don't even read articles, I say spun content is the way to go. Original content is great if you really make it not only unique but USEFUL and not some rehashing thing, but to all those with poor writing skills and nothing much new to offer, keep fooling yourself that your "unique" content is better than those who use spun content.

Agree 100%. When you are distributing to hundreds of sites that noone will ever read, quality doesn't matter anywhere near as much. When you are submitting to the higher PR ones that actually get real traffic, you do want some quality though.

[Psykryph]

Originally Posted by JimmyR

It really depends where you are submitting to. I submit to ArticleRanks, BMR, AMR and a few more, and can tell you that I see a LOT of links. Five hundred won't show up no, but still a lot more than one

Agree 100%. When you are distributing to hundreds of sites that noone will ever read, quality doesn't matter anywhere near as much. When you are submitting to the higher PR ones that actually get real traffic, you do want some quality though.

Also depends on your niche and what your want to achieve with article marketing. Some people rely on direct traffic from people clicking on their links in their articles, whereas some, like me, rely on the improved SERPs from that link juice and any direct traffic is a plus. In those cases, quality hardly matters, I just have to get past the ezine proofreading team.

[JimmyR]

Originally Posted by Psykryph

Also depends on your niche and what your want to achieve with article marketing. Some people rely on direct traffic from people clicking on their links in their articles, whereas some, like me, rely on the improved SERPs from that link juice and any direct traffic is a plus. In those cases, quality hardly matters, I just have to get past the ezine proofreading team.

Yeah exactly. You can still get the best of both worlds though, with high quality rewrites on the big ones and lesser quality on the masses of directories/blogs

[singhmanish251]

For for me Spun content has very useful for bulding links. It worked like a charm and I am ranked for my required keyword in less than a month. Using spun article software ..Check my Signature for that...

[Domsa]

Article spinning is extremely useful if done properly. The problem these days is that people want to spin articles in a few minutes instead of doing it properly. You don't get less backlinks due to spun content, you get them due to the fact it's not readable. Most quality directories have reviewers who will spot a syntax like ''I will have been ran an individual's canine'' (''I have walked my dog'') in a second. I have done some deeper research of my backlinks that come from a spin content and I noticed how the approval rate rose with the amount of time I put in.

[ulcseminary]

Most people don't know how to spin articles well, which is the problem. The first few I spun weren't very good because I didn't understand how to do it.

You have to be good with words. I find that I take a long article, then spin whole paragraphs for starters, so the program will pick one or the other. Then I spin the individual words. The whole thing does take a long time, but I usually get a very high spin rate with sentences that make sense and still good quality. My last 5 or 7 that I've done have been pretty darn good. Not perfect, but a whole lot better.

So I think spinning is okay. It just depends on how well it's done.

[dp40oz]

Spun content works the same way it always has for me. Fine for link building.

[markowe]

If you are just blasting out with AMR, spinning may well be a waste of time. I did a lot of blasting of articles with AMR this year without bothering to spin. Just looking at one blast I did back in March - there are still 128 IDENTICAL copies of the article still indexed by Google.

Now, what those links are worth is a matter for debate, but that might just be due to the low quality of those directories.

But I do think spinning is a bit overrated. It seems to be received wisdom in SEO that you "have to spin", and you certainly have no chance of submitting to any blog network without doing so (although that is to help avoid outing the network as well, of course).

Yet I have never seen a single actual test of spinning vs. not spinning for SEO purposes. If someone knows of a test that has been done on this, I would genuinely like to see it.

[TryBPO]

Alexa has a pretty good argument for not spinning...I'm surprised she hasn't shown up already, actually!

I've taken the step to NOT spin anything I've written myself. We're still sending some spun content out through an article directory submission service, but I'm a little mixed as to whether it's effective and I don't feel very good about submitting spun content on the web, frankly.

[yukon]

I don't spin content, but trust me, spun articles work very well for backlink networks.

If you want to see an example PM me for the link.

Originally Posted by markowe

If you are just blasting out with AMR, spinning may well be a waste of time. I did a lot of blasting of articles with AMR this year without bothering to spin. Just looking at one blast I did back in March - there are still 128 IDENTICAL copies of the article still indexed by Google.

Now, what those links are worth is a matter for debate, but that might just be due to the low quality of those directories.

But I do think spinning is a bit overrated. It seems to be received wisdom in SEO that you "have to spin", and you certainly have no chance of submitting to any blog network without doing so (although that is to help avoid outing the network as well, of course).

Yet I have never seen a single actual test of spinning vs. not spinning for SEO purposes. If someone knows of a test that has been done on this, I would genuinely like to see it.

[Michael Nguyen]

Originally Posted by yukon

If the spun article is only for links (bots), it will work all day long.

Google isn't that complex that their bots can comprehend a proper sentence, like a human reading the content can.

AMEN. Google can not understand context. I've seen links where the whole page was a fat block of text with anchor text around gibberish words. The linked sites were ranking very high and some a number 1

Google can group sites together via top level keywords but at sentence level, it's not that clever.

[BeeJay]

Spun content for backlink networks to feeder sites still makes sense.

As far as the usefulness of spun content goes, that's all in our own hands.

Spend five minutes spinning an article, you'll have 40% unique garbage. Spend three quarters of an hour masterminding spun content at word/sentence/paragraph level and you can just about create unlimited articles with highly unique content.

Heck, spend an hour and a half spinning it. How many articles can you write in 90 minutes? I bet its not a thousand (well, I certainly can't )

[cyberadi]

Did someone used digi article blaster?

[cyberadi]

People report it's giving the blast to backlinks gain.

[cyberadi]

But i wonder if it penalized by google, even if the directories receive it?

[cyberadi]

And another question, how it could be possible to write 50 articles if needed 50 links?it is lot of time?

[cyberadi]

Sorry newbie at seo, answers would be appreciated.

[blogworker]

yes, actually saying. especially after Panda, the quality of content needed is higher.
if you can get original content, you can do it. if can not, you can do a huge rewrite on others content, i mean, huge rewrite, the difference should higher than 50%.

[sirtiman]

I have site using unique articles, my competitors using spun with lot of articles. But I always won the fight, even my quantity of my articles not as much as my rivals.

[Amy marketing]

Don't be lazy. Original and high quality content can keep your costumer back.

[markowe]

Originally Posted by Izaya

I don't think it's AMR's fault or that Google's catching your spun content because Google is amazing. It's probably due to your poor spinning. Spin the hell out of the article, don't get a spin rate of 20% and say "oh why is Google indexing my spun content"

I don't think you read my post properly.

[jackwebson]

If you spin articles be sure to spin word for word and sentence per sentence. Also, if you can do it try to have many versions, the more versions the better the results.

The result of spun articles varies from one another some may work and others may not.

[markw89]

Guys how about this strategy for article submission:
- Unique quality articles on website
- Each article of these, is re-written professionally and submitted to top 5 article sites.
- A spun version of each article is submitted to other low quality directories (about 50)
please let me know if i am doing anything wrong, or if i could do any better..

[Mainze]

The Best Spinner are offering 80% commission on sales of their product for affiliates.

I think that says it all really on the way spun content is in decline.

[Jacko]

Best Spinner is only one spinner software in market.
We can not take that as a real evidence spun content is in decline.

Spun articles continue working fine for backlinks.

[boxoun]

I do both. Sentence level 4 times and word/phrase. Works. Not even a question.

[Dentist]

Writing an original article, spinning it and submitting it to many article directories still works pretty well for low competition keywords. Remember that the PR for linking page is 0 (It doesn't matter what domain page rank is, page's page rank is 0) but the good thing about article marketing backlinks compared to other types, is that they are highly relevant. Anyways, for higher competition you need to have a good combination of different tactics.

Originally Posted by Mainze

Seems that way to me, original content is the only way to build links.

Thoughts.....?

[jonathanleger]

Originally Posted by Mainze

The Best Spinner are offering 80% commission on sales of their product for affiliates.

I think that says it all really on the way spun content is in decline.

Hardly. It says only that I just released version 3 and want to get it as publicized as possible by my affiliate base. The 80% commission is only during October. It's unwise to make assumptions without the facts.

[Marx Vergel Melencio]

Hi,

It depends on your objectives. Someone already mentioned this earlier:

Google bots can't appreciate literature. They could have some sort of function that's either more or less developed than Microsoft Word's grammar and spell checker as well as Microsoft Word's readability checker, though that's just about it. What does this mean?

A freshly written write-up that's human spun in paragraph and sentence level then TBS-spun in word level can produce more than 100 readable versions. It could each make sense and could provide useful content to a specific target audience, if the person who wrote, human spun and TBS-spun it knows how to communicate to a target audience a set of benefits provided by tips, advice, info, strategies and techniques that they're looking for, in a way that they can easily understand. The person should also know how to optimize the write-up for search engine bots. SEOPressor can be used to check the SE optimization of the initial version of the write-up (prespun freshly written version)...

Each version, with one or two backlinks anchored by any of a relevant set of your target keywords, can be posted and submitted to multiple high domain homepage PR article directories, blog networks and Web 2.0 sites among others...

Say you use AMR and submit one version to 1200++ article directories, then get 700 successful submissions and 300 instantly approved and published articles. Say your write-up has two backlinks anchored by two of your target keywords in the resource box. Two backlinks x 300 published articles in 300 high domain homepage PR article directories = 600 PR 0 backlinks...

Say you again submit the next version (you have 100 versions, so this is version 2/100) using AMR. That's another 600 backlinks. Say you submit all of them using AMR...

100 articles x 300 published articles in 300 high domain homepage PR article directories = 30000 published PR 0 articles in 300 high domain homepage PR article directories

30000 published PR 0 articles in 300 high domain homepage PR article directories x 2 backlinks = 60000 PR 0 backlinks

In contrast, you can write a non-spun write-up and manually submit it to your list of the top five article directories. You get 10 PR 0 backlinks...

So, in terms of SEO and backlinks -- You decide. You can either get 60K PR 0 backlinks from a freshly written, human spun and TBS-spun article, or 10 PR 0 backlinks from a unique article manually submitted to five article directories...

I for one recommend unique, high quality non-spun write-ups for your onsite content and for your content syndication deals with webmasters of high traffic, high authority websites offering content relevant to your write-up, your target audience for the write-up, your site content and your target keywords...

Instead of article directory SEO and backlink building, here's a suggestion that can give you better SEO results, and if coupled with a good content syndication plan for your traffic generation campaigns, then you get the traffic of high authority websites from your content syndication deals and also get organic search traffic from high Google rankings:

1. Google each of your target keywords. Take note of the top ten page results for each of your keywords. These will be your top ten competitors per keyword.

2. Use SEO SpyGlass to determine the backlink portfolio/profile of each of those competing pages. SEO SpyGlass can gather these details: URLs of linking pages where the backlinks are found, number of backlinks/linking pages, PR of linking pages, keyword anchors used for those backlinks, IPs of the domains where those linking pages are found, number of outbound links in linking pages, and Alexa rank of the domains. Don't forget to also check the backlink portfolio/profile of the homepage of the domain where those competing pages are found.

3. Outdo the backlink profile/portfolio of those competing pages and their domain's homepage by:

3.1. Use a tool to find expired and deleted high PR domains with niche and keyword-relevant domain names...
3.2. Use SEO SpyGlass to validate the PR of the expired and deleted domains by analyzing its backlink portfolio/profile details provided by SEO SpyGlass...
3.3. Register the best domains. Remember that Google can see domain registrant details even with whois guard. It will look suspicious for them if they see multiple domains registered by one person, with each domain homepage having links pointing to one and the same site. This arrangement will look, in the eyes of Google, as a campaign to manipulate Google's ranking algo...
3.4. Get one unique server IP for each domain.
3.5. Set up a Wordpress site for each domain.
3.6. Write a 300++-word homepage with backlinks pointing to your target websites. Also link to other high authority websites in your niche. Just don't go overboard in terms of the number of outbound links in your homepage, of course.
3.7. Develop a 2-minute introductory video for each of your new sites. Post it in your homepage, or upload it to Youtube, get the embed code and embed the video into your homepage. Remember: Google loves media-rich sites.
3.8. Write four other static pages and five posts for each of your new high PR websites. Place backlinks, anchored by your other target keywords, in those pages and posts.
3.9. While your pinging your offsite content with your backlinks and building backlinks for your main websites, also ping and build backlinks for your new websites mentioned above. At least at this point, you aren't building backlinks for your articles on article directories owned by others or for your blog snippets in blog networks owned by others. Here: Your spending time and resources pinging and building backlinks for your own Web property network with your backlinks for your main websites.
3.10. Offer guest authoring arrangements in your Web property network in exchange for either unique content for your Web property network, or $$$.

That's just about it.

[markw89]

Thanks Marx

[waltertech14]

Originally Posted by bikramksingh

Not exactly. You can build links using duplicate content as well

DANG! Do you have any idea what google panda did to article directories with duplicate content? Continue what your doing and your next in line
For those people still insisting on putting up duplicate content to thousands of directories think twice and make a research about google panda on google forums for god's sake before posting PLEASE!

My simple question to you is. How many website do you have in Google Top 1 by using only your original content? Think twice. People making tens of thousands online are using Great and perfect content on their websites but look at their backlinks. Is it 1 write = 1 backlink? ask yourself will you make $10,000(goal) in 1 month via websites by writing unique content to every backlink that you have? put your head in a toaster if you say yes

Originally Posted by Targeted Traffic

As Google places higher and higher value on the quality of the content, this tactic is not as effective, and can even harm a website’s ranking if overdone.

It's great inside your webpages and i agree with you here google places a higher value on the quality of the article. How do they manage to look at this? = bounce rate
But what the hell. Do you care how much Ezine earns for your article? These sites earn from you/us. put your unique content in your website because that's what we care most "so google will place a higher value on our site instead of ezine then send it to few directories and spin it and submit but don't overdo everything

Originally Posted by JimmyR

Yeah exactly. You can still get the best of both worlds though, with high quality rewrites on the big ones and lesser quality on the masses of directories/blogs

Exactly my point! Post your unique content on 3-5 High PR directories but first in your webpage and spun content to the masses.

Originally Posted by Mainze

For me spun content is useless for these, unless you spin it to 3-400%
Which in that case you may as well write a original article.

and why? Can you write a 500 word article in 5 seconds? go to content professor and set your uniqueness to 90% and you have one unique article not to mention that they include this {|} for mass submissions. Then spin it again if you wish to to achieve double the uniqueness and spin it for the 3rd time and the 4th and the 5th then you will have a 400% unqiue article like you want. in just 5 seconds! Yes it's unreadable to humans but what the hell? will you post it in your site? NO! Post it somewhere else and you'll have 2 links.
And don't care about what article directories are giving you. traffic? what the hell? most of traffic in the directories clicks on their ads and make money on your article and only puts around 5-40% visitors to your site if your article is good. Why not target your site to top of google and target a 2nd keyword to the top position instead of targeting article directory traffic? yes I know its addition to your income but the time wasted here you can give it to your site and improve it.

The whole damn point on what I'm trying to say. This has been asked thousands of time in warrior forum alone and debated by numerous amount of experts! My advice, DON'T DEBATE on it! "DO IT" and see what's best for you!

my 2 cents,
Walter

[learnrope]

Marx said in Post #47 :

" 3.3 Register the best domains. Remember that Google can see domain registrant details even with whois guard. It will look suspicious for them if they see multiple domains registered by one person, with each domain homepage having links pointing to one and the same site. This arrangement will look, in the eyes of Google, as a campaign to manipulate Google's ranking algo..."

With respect to Marx I generally found this post useful and also many of his other post. I do however disagree with "Remember that Google can see domain registrant details even with whois guard"..

This has nothing to do with Google or any other registrar. It is a private agreement between myself and the register I used that has a separate company representing me.

Of course I have been wrong before, I will admit once !!! Just Joking

But I would welcome anyone who can prove me wrong for the benefit of all.

[learnrope]

Waltertech 14 in #51 above said: "It's great inside your webpages and i agree with you here google places a higher value on the quality of the article. How do they manage to look at this? = bounce rate "

How does G know the bounce rate of a page if you don't have G Analytics installed?

Just curious

[skele]

It depends what do you want to achieve: short-term peak in your earnings or long-term business. For quick shot of traffic, ranking and maybe money, spining may be good idea, but if you want make money online for the rest of your life, you'd better take some time, think what do you love to do in your life, what is your passion. Then take a look what is selling, make a research, for example on Google keyword tool. Then decide what to sell: teachings, ebook, video course, ... Write some articles and you DON'T need 1000s of them. You really need 20-50 original content, written by you or hired copywriter. Google will love that pages. Make some SEO on site and start getting TARGETED traffic and people in niches will BUY your stuff.

You really don't need to spin and spin and spin over and over again to the rest of your life...