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Beware of Old Rental blog networks bearing new High PR domains

by Mike Anthony
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Just a quick heads up - I know everyone is scrambling to find something that works post BMR, ALN, HPRS closing down and that most people don't have a good idea of how networks work. So heres a quick warning -

In building some networks myself (the mucho private kind not rentals PLEASE do not PM wanting links on any of them) I have been coming across an unbelievable price hike in domains since the deindexing. Its not a surprise to see good high Pr domains going up since with the deindexing theres a demand but thats NOT what I am referring to. You might think that any price increase does not affect you if you are not building a network but read on on how it does.

Very importantly the prices I am referring to are even those domains that have little or no links showing to them. Thats a problem for you because In other words people are buying up domains that have almost no juice but still show a high PR and the only conclusion I can draw is that they are doing this to be able to SHOW a high PR domain while knowing there is none (theres no other logical reason).

Straight to the point?

If you rent links on a domain like this you will not be getting anything near advertised but they will be getting your money. TO understand realize that Google only updates its public tool once ever few months. If a domain has lost all its links since the last update it will still show a high PR and fool you into thinking that you are getting lots of link juice when basically its all gone (and don't buy the lies being told by some that PR is created by anything else but links). Even though thats the case for the PUBLIC tool bar the algo is constantly updating PR internally at Google and THAT is what Google's ranking depends on. SO some of these sites being bought up are being bought up to give the APPEARANCE of ranking power. Only months from now will the PR tool bar update and clue you in that all the time you were paying you were getting PR1s and PR zeros.

I can think of no other reason but to false impress clients that some of these domains are being bought up. I can't tell who is doing the buying or how many services are doing this but if you do start finding your links showing up again after the service you use regains indexed high Pr domains you might want to check the backlinks of that backlink source. Otherwise you could be paying for air.
#bearing #beware #blog #domains #high #networks #rental
  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    Yes I've been noticing this. The prices for acquiring domains with PR just before they are dropped have gone way up. Lots of the people bidding!! The ones that are truly valuable (have tons of links still pointing to them), are seeing the most activity in auctions.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I imagine all these downed BL networks are selling domains left & right trying to clean house.

    I'm sure a lot of tainted domains will be on the market now, or very soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I imagine all these downed BL networks are selling domains left & right trying to clean house.

      I'm sure a lot of tainted domains will be on the market now, or very soon.
      I'd be really wary of buying a website now. There are probably thousands of tainted websites on the market.
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      • Profile picture of the author mosthost
        Originally Posted by JeanneLynn View Post

        I'd be really wary of buying a website now. There are probably thousands of tainted websites on the market.
        After this past weekend I'd say 'tens of thousands!'
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I'm sure a lot of tainted domains will be on the market now, or very soon.
      Hey Yuke - I wouldn't worry about this from a buying domains perspective. Buyers do info checks so they know. This is more about people renting on networks that might not now as its obvious these domains with PR are being bought even with almost no links to fool them not domain buyers.
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    Good heads up Mike.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThatAblaze
    Ok mike. In your experience, what are the normal prices for good domains, and what are the current prices?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

      Ok mike. In your experience, what are the normal prices for good domains, and what are the current prices?

      My post isn't really about prices for good domains its about the recent buying up of domains that really are not good just for the PR to show in the toolbar. Those domains are worth goose egg or maybe the price of registration but people are buying them up for $70 and up if they show PR4 and up. Its all for show. The domains have very few links and some have none.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThatAblaze
    o.0 Come on Mike, I know you love to rant all day about how everyone else is doing it wrong, but can't you just say something constructive? Tell us how much a domain used to cost a few months ago vs now. That would be news.
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    • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
      Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

      o.0 Come on Mike, I know you love to rant all day about how everyone else is doing it wrong, but can't you just say something constructive? Tell us how much a domain used to cost a few months ago vs now. That would be news.
      Im not Mike but what he is saying is rather then getting a solid PR 3 with great links these networks are probably buying up all the dropped garbage on digital point forum ect… for $15 and pawning these off as "high PR domains". For example tonight you could go over to Digital Point Forum and buy 20, PR 2+ domains for about $200 but none of them would have any real link juice they'd just look nice in "The new greatest public blog network". Part of what made BMR great was they actually did buy some powerful domains. Getting high PR is a piece of cake, having the backlinks to *really deserve* what we equate that PR power with is a whole different story.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

      o.0 Come on Mike, I know you love to rant all day about how everyone else is doing it wrong, but can't you just say something constructive? Tell us how much a domain used to cost a few months ago vs now. That would be news.
      LOL. I knew I detected an attitude. I don't have to prove to anyone that I contribute here . I do it openly an d even more so by PM. Only to the deserving do I give one on one help and you guessed it - people with attitudes aint deserving. . So this thread is about warning people about domains that are not worth anything at all being bought not providing you with answers to your building a SEO network questions.

      However if you press me I would say a $1,000 for a PR 3 would be a great price. $700 for a PR2 . Go buy em up and forget about info:site searches. Those are for sissies. LOL. Every body else should do them and pay much lower prices
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  • Profile picture of the author ThatAblaze
    lol

    It's not an attitude dude. I've seen you post over and over, and I've never seen you say anything constructive. Maybe you say something in PMs to your friends, but how would any of the rest of us know about it?

    I couldn't care less if you don't like me, all you ever do around here in public is troll.
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    • Profile picture of the author cssitkt
      Not sure if you two are just having banter but I always find Mike's posts consistently intelligent and well informed.

      Thanks for the heads up Mike!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
      Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

      ...I've seen you post over and over, and I've never seen you say anything constructive.

      Whether one agrees with everything Mike says isn't the point. But he certainly does say constructive and actionable things if one actually reads the postings!



      Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

      Maybe you say something in PMs to your friends, but how would any of the rest of us know about it?

      If you thought this was true, wouldn't it be wise to be friendly?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

        Whether one agrees with everything Mike says isn't the point. But he certainly does say constructive and actionable things if one actually reads the postings!
        Yukon and PaulG both spoke to this attitude a while back -People who both demand and then spit on what information you give them. Both came to the same conclusion that where possible you don't feed the ingrates. Yukon even had some of em steal the info and put it in their product like it was theirs. There were two threads with ton loads of information regarding networks where I and others shared and several people said it was better than a WSO but some people demand more and others are just too lazy to use the search function

        Always comes from those who have contributed nothing themselves but believe other people owe them to help them make money.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThatAblaze
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Yukon and PaulG both spoke to this attitude a while back -People who both demand and then spit on what information you give them. Both came to the same conclusion that where possible you don't feed the ingrates. Yukon even had some of em steal the info and put it in their product like it was theirs. There were two threads with ton loads of information regarding networks where I and others shared and several people said it was better than a WSO but some people demand more and others are just too lazy to use the search function

          Always comes from those who have contributed nothing themselves but believe other people owe them to help them make money.
          I asked you a simple question that could not be monetized in any way. I asked you for general information rather than practical information because I've noticed a pattern in all your posts. The question was a test to see whether you were trying to be genuinely helpful or whether you were just trying to scare people into buying your product. You failed the test.

          It seems like your posts are all designed to scare people into buying your product. Everything you say falls short of being actual information, and then is followed by a link in your signature saying something to the effect of "pay me money to give you the rest of the story."

          When someone asks you a question that doesn't reinforce your underlying purpose, you invariably respond with attacks. They aren't even appropriate attacks. You seem to be implying that I have contributed nothing myself. I have to ask; contributed to whom? You? Yes, I have paid $0 to your little scam. I have, however, contributed plenty to this community.

          If I had given bnetwork here the same test I have no doubt he would have passed. He seems to be posting in a genuine effort to help people, not in a thinly veiled effort to make more money. I would be very surprised to find someone who was actually posting in an attempt to help to respond to a simple inquiry with unfounded and snarky attacks on my character.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

            I asked you a simple question that could not be monetized in any way. I asked you for general information rather than practical information because I've noticed a pattern in all your posts. The question was a test to see whether you were trying to be genuinely helpful or whether you were just trying to scare people into buying your product. You failed the test.
            Look plain and simple - I don't and know of no one else that sees you as a person that anyone has to pass a test from. You are a newb with two months posting time here so nuff said on tests. You can notice whatever pattern you wish. I've done two or three long threads with others here on WF on building networks and the general consensus was that more was in those threads than most paid WSOs . You have no point. You are not getting anymore because you fuss and demand that you want answers to your questions. Learn how to use the search functions on this board.

            Furthermore This thread has nothing to do with building a network or what domains should cost. It is a heads up that network people are buying domains with no value whatsoever and I am NOT telling people to run away from networks but to check the backlinks when they do use them. The value of these domains are zero so use your noggin about what you should pay for them and thats the only thing relevant to this thread.

            Now in your little world that might translate into "buy my product" because you clearly have an interest in buying domains, don't know what you are doing and want free advice - but no the people reading this are not likely to say - I was going to rent space on a network but now that Mike says check the backlinks I am scared and will buy his product and spend hundreds of dollars and time I never planned on spending instead because I don't want to check backlinks.

            That has to be one of the the silliest accusation ever posted on this forum.


            and then is followed by a link in your signature saying something to the effect of "pay me money to give you the rest of the story."
            :rolleyes: People don't have to follow their posts with their signatures its done automatically and if you don't like signatures take it up with the admin owners. Until they say otherwise mine stays and I paid for it. Marketers complaining about people have ads is equally silly.

            When someone asks you a question that doesn't reinforce your underlying purpose, you invariably respond with attacks. They aren't even appropriate attacks. You seem to be implying that I have contributed nothing myself.
            You are lying. No one attacked you. You didn't get the answer you were demanding so you started attacking implying I am never constructive then I responded. anyone can scroll up and see that . I've spent enough time with you. Stay from now on on the subject of this thread or your continued attempt to derail the thread will be reported.
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            • Profile picture of the author ThatAblaze
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Furthermore This thread has nothing to do with building a network or what domains should cost. It is a heads up that network people are buying domains with no value whatsoever and I am NOT telling people to run away from networks but to check the backlinks when they do use them. The value of these domains are zero so use your noggin about what you should pay for them and thats the only thing relevant to this thread.
              Your idea makes no sense. Why would a network pay $40 or $50 for a domain they know is worthless but looks good at the moment? They know that in a month or two that apparent worth will just disappear. A network simply cannot get enough ROI out of the domain. The only people who are buying these networks are obviously people who don't know any better.

              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Now in your little world that might translate into "buy my product" because you clearly have an interest in buying domains, don't know what you are doing and want free advice - but no the people reading this are not likely to say - I was going to rent space on a network but now that Mike says check the backlinks I am scared and will buy his product and spend hundreds of dollars and time I never planned on spending instead because I don't want to check backlinks.
              Mike, you have no idea how long I may have been on these forums. You have no idea where my interests lie. You're just speculating, and it's really poor speculation that is designed solely to support your agenda.

              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              People don't have to follow their posts with their signatures its done automatically and if you don't like signatures take it up with the admin owners. Until they say otherwise mine stays and I paid for it. Marketers complaining about people have ads is equally silly.
              Now you're being obtuse. If you really believed that no one reads a signature, then why have one?? You obviously think people do read and click on it, since you pay to have it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

                Your idea makes no sense. Why would a network pay $40 or $50 for a domain they know is worthless but looks good at the moment? They know that in a month or two that apparent worth will just disappear. A network simply cannot get enough ROI out of the domain. The only people who are buying these networks are obviously people who don't know any better.
                Well first thanks for finally posting something in this thread that has something to do with the subject. Unfortunately you are still wrong. It makes perfect sense.

                A) It gives seller some domains where he/she can actively advertise that they have regained high PR domains. that will allow many people who are with them to stay and continue to pay out dollars. There are tens of thousands of dollars per month for some services so its highly viable.

                b) PR updates do not come like clock work. there was one about a month or two ago there could be one as late as 4 months from now. The risk is well worth the reward. These domains showing in their customers profiles can do a lot to help their services keep plugging along

                C) Most importantly you don't understand the market as it is HIGHLY worth ROI. As long as there are no reports of further deindexing only a fraction of the people subscribing to a service will be checking their backlink PR two months from now and they still will be paying even for months beyond. Further some people will sell links on these pages that are annual or one time and make major coin per small investment.


                Mike, you have no idea how long I may have been on these forums
                Who cares? Not the subject of this post.


                Now you're being obtuse. If you really believed that no one reads a signature,.
                and you are being illiterate. Never said anything about "no one" reads sigs I said "most". Huge difference. Sigs are worth it for the relatively few who do clink them. Same like many ads
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          • Profile picture of the author debra
            Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

            I asked you a simple question that could not be monetized in any way. I asked you for general information rather than practical information because I've noticed a pattern in all your posts. The question was a test to see whether you were trying to be genuinely helpful or whether you were just trying to scare people into buying your product. You failed the test.
            It's beginning to sound like you have issues too. Like entitlement issues.

            It seems like your posts are all designed to scare people into buying your product. Everything you say falls short of being actual information, and then is followed by a link in your signature saying something to the effect of "pay me money to give you the rest of the story."
            Maybe I'm missing something. I read his post twice and still fail to read a sales pitch.

            When someone asks you a question that doesn't reinforce your underlying purpose, you invariably respond with attacks. They aren't even appropriate attacks. You seem to be implying that I have contributed nothing myself. I have to ask; contributed to whom? You? Yes, I have paid $0 to your little scam. I have, however, contributed plenty to this community.
            Are you his "daddy"? I for one, and many others, are at the point of throwing both of you into time out. If I could, I would ban both of you from being able to reply or post in each others threads. To tell the truth, I doubt Mike, and he has his days too, would mind a little vacation from an increasing tyrants constant attitude and outburst.

            You obviuosly feel this is your section to the forum, while in actuality it belongs to Allen. It is also the section of the forum that I frequent the most and the constant bullying between you two ALPHA "whatevers" has gotten to the point that it is annoying.

            If I had given bnetwork here the same test I have no doubt he would have passed. He seems to be posting in a genuine effort to help people, not in a thinly veiled effort to make more money. I would be very surprised to find someone who was actually posting in an attempt to help to respond to a simple inquiry with unfounded and snarky attacks on my character.
            What test? At this point, I hardly look at you or Mike as qualified to test anyone on any subject, except for maybe, the negative renforcement aimed at destorying an opponets self esteem, that I've read right here and on other threads.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
              Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post


              ...The question was a test to see whether you were trying to be genuinely helpful or whether you were just trying to scare people into buying your product. You failed the test.

              It seems like your posts are all designed to scare people into buying your product. Everything you say falls short of being actual information, and then is followed by a link in your signature saying something to the effect of "pay me money to give you the rest of the story."

              When someone asks you a question that doesn't reinforce your underlying purpose, you invariably respond with attacks. They aren't even appropriate attacks. You seem to be implying that I have contributed nothing myself. I have to ask; contributed to whom? You? Yes, I have paid $0 to your little scam. I have, however, contributed plenty to this community.

              If I had given bnetwork here the same test I have no doubt he would have passed. He seems to be posting in a genuine effort to help people, not in a thinly veiled effort to make more money. I would be very surprised to find someone who was actually posting in an attempt to help to respond to a simple inquiry with unfounded and snarky attacks on my character.

              I don't know you from Adam. But I know you are out of line and I think your comments and accusations are deplorable.

              You intimate that you may have been around longer on this site. If that is the case then what are you trying to hide?

              Based on anything in this thread I can see no reason to abuse Mike in this manner.

              I for one would say his comments have been worth $10,000 to $20,000 more to me than yours. Incidentally yours have contributed $0 to my bank account.

              Chill out or fall out.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by debra View Post

              To tell the truth, I doubt Mike, and he has his days too,
              I know Debra. Valid critique . Didn't see where I was having one of those when I started this thread though. Was just pointing out something I was seeing that I thought people should know about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

      lol

      It's not an attitude dude. I've seen you post over and over, and I've never seen you say anything constructive. Maybe you say something in PMs to your friends, but how would any of the rest of us know about it?

      I couldn't care less if you don't like me, all you ever do around here in public is troll.
      Certainly no attitude in those two paragraphs
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  • Profile picture of the author footfoot
    People probably buying them w/o proper analysis is more likely. Done it myself!
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  • Profile picture of the author bob33229
    It was expected as more people are looking for high PR doamins now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    It's not rocket science. Check these before you buy:

    - Google advanced queries for links, inspect the links.
    - Ahrefs - inspect the links, look for redirects.
    - MajesticSEO - look at the links, search for redirects.
    - OpenSiteExplorer - for a quick PA/DA comparison (not that it means a lot) and links (slow to update).

    Do the usual info:domain.tld and site:domain.tld searches as well and use something like registercompass.com to help weed out the trash when searching for domains (saves a lot of time).

    Don't buy domains with only new links or those with very few links from high PR pages. Look out for blogrolls and other quick-to-go links. Check if they have old blog comment links, perhaps article backlinks and similar.

    Check which pages get links. Is it the home page or mostly inner pages? That can sometimes be a problem, so always check things carefully.

    Basically, inspect the link profile and use common sense to make an informed decision (whether the links will stick and if they're real). You should always determine where the PR comes from (what linking pages) before bidding.

    Decide how much a domain is worth to you and don't bid until the very last minute. If the domain is good, there are going to be other people bidding at the very last minute. This is why it's crucial to know beforehand how much you are willing to pay - you're likely to have to bid 2-5 times to win.

    Once you get a domain, slap privacy protection on right away (or asap).

    Don't make stupid mistakes - missing "www" or other redirects, etc. Sometimes only the non-www version has PR, Google treats them as separate domains. So sort out your redirects/URLs.

    As for domain prices - I kind of expected them to go up after the whole de-indexing ordeal... People haven't given up hope (yet). Give it a bit more time and (hopefully) prices will be back to normal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Oh and to add to what I wrote above, you might also want to stay away from any "seo hosting" company. Huge footprint, no matter how you set it up. If it doesn't hurt you right now, it most likely will in the nearest future.
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  • Profile picture of the author InTheMaking
    I for one appreciate your Blog network posts Mike

    I've been slacking and relying on Public networks/semi-private networks. It's about time I get on my own network.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by InTheMaking View Post

      I've been slacking and relying on Public networks/semi-private networks. It's about time I get on my own network.
      Thats the other thing that is so silly. The people that come into threads like this complaining about you having a sig end up making the thread all about your sig and what you offer rather than the subject. Regulars here know that most times signatures are ignored but they end up advertising it for you. I guess thanks should be in order. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author ThatAblaze
    I don't think anyone would pay $50 for a domain that they know will last for a few months when they could pay $100 for a domain that will last for a few years. A horde of naive bargain hunters are much more likely to drive up the price than a few crafty scammers, IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

      I don't think anyone would pay $50 for a domain that they know will last for a few months when they could pay $100 for a domain that will last for a few years.
      A) the difference in price is not that inconsequential (and I am not going into prices)
      B) we are not talking about individuals but networks that need hundreds to remain viable as a service.
      C) Networks right now need to find more domains with PR than are available within the time frame they are trying to get them back in so its not simply a matter of choosing a long term domain over a short term one.
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    • Profile picture of the author DeskCoder
      Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

      I don't think anyone would pay $50 for a domain that they know will last for a few months when they could pay $100 for a domain that will last for a few years. A horde of naive bargain hunters are much more likely to drive up the price than a few crafty scammers, IMO.
      I'm pretty sure tons of people would spend $50 on domains if they could make $100 off of them. Heck, some people would spend $50 on domains that would make them $55.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    I've had previous disagreements with mike but to suggest he doesn't offer great value is foolishness.

    Having fell victim to these fake pr scams I say this info is spot on. Thanks mike.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

      I've had previous disagreements with mike but to suggest he doesn't offer great value is foolishness.

      Having fell victim to these fake pr scams I say this info is spot on. Thanks mike.
      Your welcome Box. I don't even remember what the disagreement was. On a forum I just get into issues. Some get heated yes but seriously I can only remember one or two and I bet you know which ones those were.lol
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Your welcome Box. I don't even remember what the disagreement was. On a forum I just get into issues. Some get heated yes but seriously I can only remember one or two and I bet you know which ones those were.lol
        Had it to do with a certain Matt?
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLB
    I've noticed the prices going up quite a bit as well. It's aggravating but reflects the new demand I guess. Thanks for the heads up on the other stuff though.
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  • Profile picture of the author calvinyumi
    Thanks for your points, mate.

    I found these are very helpful in buying high PR domains.
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