6 Months Later: $300 Daily w/Adsense (Lessons Learned)

[jplanigan]

If you are following John's methods, then you are already checking SpyFu for the adsense cost. To the right of the adsense cost in SpyFu is the daily searches. So, double checking the search volume does not need to complicate things as you are already using more than one tool and just need to examine all the information you have at your disposal at each step in the process.

I would also like to add that John is one man with a great system that he has graciously shared free in this thread and gone on to develop an incredible product. He himself says that you should experiment and test. He didn't get to where he is by blindly following what someone else told him. He experimented, tested tested tested, analyzed, and incorporated findings into a system.

If you take massive consistent action, no doubt you can make a lot of money without straying from his system. But you're far better off continuing to refine your own process along the way.

As far as the search volume discrepancies go, you may not have the gut feel dialed in that John has. I sure don't. There are other threads around here that detail how to use adwords to get a more accurate outlook on this. I have been thinking about doing this, but I don't want to screw up the CTR on my only adwords account. So, I personally won't do this unless and until I open another adwords account for testing purposes. Then again, maybe it isn't worth the extra effort. This is a decision no one can make for you. To some the extra effort is better spent putting content out there. Not everything is going to be a winner, but if you keep putting stuff out there, you will make money.

Anyhow, my .02,
Patrick

[archkre]

Originally Posted by benkleiner

I desperately need that Wordpress theme too!
Can anyone help us, please?
Thank you

Is anybody able to help us out on the Wordpress theme problem many of us are going through, please?

Many of us are not web designers.

At least give us a lead of what free wptheme we can start from (no hard coding or minimum).

Help please

[Kael41]

The wordpress theme will be offered soon (i'm expecting any number of hours actually ), it's all packaged up with instructions, and will be offered only to John's customers. I even created an install video.

[mrizos]

Has anyone else noticed that MNF's "get exact phrase count" is completely broken???

I wasted about 20 bucks on some .com's because of this crap. Here is an example:

"external hard drives reviews" - MNF exact phrase count = 74
Doing a google search for "external hard drives reviews" = 29,700

....this sucks big time. I found out that about 6 of my .coms are a complete waste of time thanks to this bug.

[archkre]

Originally Posted by Kael41

The wordpress theme will be offered soon (i'm expecting any number of hours actually ), it's all packaged up with instructions, and will be offered only to John's customers. I even created an install video.

I understand now!
It is all about money$$$$$$$!

[archkre]

Originally Posted by mrizos

Has anyone else noticed that MNF's "get exact phrase count" is completely broken???

I wasted about 20 bucks on some .com's because of this crap. Here is an example:

"external hard drives reviews" - MNF exact phrase count = 74
Doing a google search for "external hard drives reviews" = 29,700

....this sucks big time. I found out that about 6 of my .coms are a complete waste of time thanks to this bug.

Yes MNF is very tricky sometimes.
Always have to double check chosen kw values with big G

[mrizos]

Originally Posted by archkre

Yes MNF is very tricky sometimes.
Always have to double check chosen kw values with big G

Yup...this was a hard lesson to learn. I probably spent about $50 on domains that MNF had extremely low competition when in fact they had extremely high competition. Just crazy man.

[Steve Crooks]

I am afraid you have made two fundamental errors.

1. It is "external hard drive reviews" which gets 29700 searches in broad match on Google. "external hard drives reviews" gets 4400 broad match searches on Google.
2. You should have set googles keyword tool to exact or phrase match to get the same searches as MNF.

It is not the fault of MNF as it just takes it's search data from Google anyway. Also there are many different Google data centres which all have slightly different data as well.

Originally Posted by mrizos

Has anyone else noticed that MNF's "get exact phrase count" is completely broken???

I wasted about 20 bucks on some .com's because of this crap. Here is an example:

"external hard drives reviews" - MNF exact phrase count = 74
Doing a google search for "external hard drives reviews" = 29,700

....this sucks big time. I found out that about 6 of my .coms are a complete waste of time thanks to this bug.

[gtrplyr]

Originally Posted by archkre

I understand now!
It is all about money$$$$$$$!

So let me get this straight...you want him to give you his template for FREE so you can use it to MAKE MONEY?

[mrizos]

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

I am afraid you have made two fundamental errors.

1. It is "external hard drive reviews" which gets 29700 searches in broad match on Google. "external hard drives reviews" gets 4400 broad match searches on Google.
2. You should have set googles keyword tool to exact or phrase match to get the same searches as MNF.

It is not the fault of MNF as it just takes it's search data from Google anyway. Also there are many different Google data centres which all have slightly different data as well.

No, I was targeting the phrase "external hard driveS reviews". I know how many exact match searches it gets, but what I was trying to get from
mnf was the exact competition which is where it was way off:

mnf said it had 74 competing sites. A google search shows the correct amount of competing sites at 29700!

Now, if mnf gets all it's data from google then I call that one big bug.

[mrizos]

Originally Posted by gtrplyr

So let me get this straight...you want him to give you his template for FREE so you can use it to MAKE MONEY?

Who cares anyway. It one big footprint unless you change it up a bit each time.

[Kael41]

And that's the beauty of the wordpress theme system..the ease of use to change it up so you don't leave footprints.

One of the BEST things about wordpress, and this is straight from the mouth of one the top guys at Google, is that wordpress is a great platform to work off of. Matt Cutt's figures it's already 70% SEO'd out of the box. It doesn't take that much to rank well with wordpress.

But again, read what John is saying, it's all about what you:

name the site
provide the little to moderate amount of content needed
and how you seo it up a little bit.

That's it. All of your legwork is really done when you identify that keyword that has good adsense penetration, as I like to call it, and then create the content which allows the SE's to pick you up.

[dectomax]

Originally Posted by mrizos

Who cares anyway. It one big footprint unless you change it up a bit each time.

Does this footprint thing really exist? I've heard Google penalizes for footprints but how can it if millions of people using the same Wordpress\Joomla etc templates? Even static HTML templates are given away with most programs like Dreamweaver.

Surely the content is what makes a page individual.

[dectomax]

Originally Posted by mrizos

No, I was targeting the phrase "external hard driveS reviews". I know how many exact match searches it gets, but what I was trying to get from
mnf was the exact competition which is where it was way off:

mnf said it had 74 competing sites. A google search shows the correct amount of competing sites at 29700!

Now, if mnf gets all it's data from google then I call that one big bug.

Google shows 1800 competing sites for "external hard driveS reviews" with quotes??

[entrepenerd]

Originally Posted by mrizos

No, I was targeting the phrase "external hard driveS reviews". I know how many exact match searches it gets, but what I was trying to get from
mnf was the exact competition which is where it was way off:

mnf said it had 74 competing sites. A google search shows the correct amount of competing sites at 29700!

Now, if mnf gets all it's data from google then I call that one big bug.

This IS a little concerning. I always double check the MNF stats directly with Google, but it's still odd that there can be such a discrepancy. Even odder is that when I checked for exact phrase in Google I initially got 29,100 results. After several refreshes it dropped to 1,880 exact phrase results.

[mrizos]

Originally Posted by entrepenerd

This IS a little concerning. I always double check the MNF stats directly with Google, but it's still odd that there can be such a discrepancy. Even odder is that when I checked for exact phrase in Google I initially got 29,100 results. After several refreshes it dropped to 1,880 exact phrase results.

Agreed. Currently it's staying at 29,100. Basically if you find a result of 500 or lower competing sites in MNF it's probably wrong (bugged).

Check it by doing a Google search or that gem may turn out to be a coal.

[business_space39]

Very good John, It's nice to hear that you are doing well,
A lot of people can learn from this even myself

[GossipCrunch]

Originally Posted by benkleiner

I desperately need that Wordpress theme too!
Can anyone help us, please?
Thank you

I have John's HTML theme duplicated in Wordpress. If you need then I can give you for a small price ofcourse
Message me if you want one.

[mrizos]

Originally Posted by entrepenerd

This IS a little concerning. I always double check the MNF stats directly with Google, but it's still odd that there can be such a discrepancy. Even odder is that when I checked for exact phrase in Google I initially got 29,100 results. After several refreshes it dropped to 1,880 exact phrase results.

Also, I dare ya to find an SOC that is correct. I haven't found 1 yet after testing 10 phrases. I mean they are waaaayyyy off.

Example: samsung flat screen tv

MNF allintitle = 81
Google search on allintitle:"samsung flat screen tv" = 2,790

WOW...

Now that SOC of a pretty green 15 goes up to a red for sure...

[homebse]

Hi everyone,
After reading a lot of the most recent posts, I just thought I would share some of my results, just as FYI.

I have other adsense sites and have always done all of my keyword research the hard way with WorkTracker, SEO Book and Google Keyword Tool. After reading John's course and a lot of this thread, I purchased MNF. Let me just say that it has made my research so much easier.

After I picked my keywords from MNF that I liked, I looked at the clicks and volume on SpyFu, I did some google searches to look at the listings and then I picked 5 out of the bunch and ran with them.

I chose to complete all my site pages before uploading to the web. I loaded my first site around 8/10 and my second site on 8/16. I posted 2 articles to GoArticles for each site and my Ezinearticles are just sitting waiting approval like the rest of you. I am not new to Ezinearticles and I have not had them take this long in the past to approve articles. Maybe they all just went on vacation.

I uploaded my 3rd site yesterday but have not had time to get articles completed for it yet.
My first 2 sites are floating around on pages 1 and 2 of Google for the primary keyword and another of the keywords and on pages 4 and 5 for the other keywords.

I have already started receiving clicks. This morning when I checked I had 4 clicks to the first site and 3 to the second site. My take for these was $3.02. I have also received one or two clicks a day for the first site for the last few days. I just logged on to my account to get the amount for you and found that I had already had 6 clicks to the second site today for earning of $2.01.

My first niche is in the computer niche because that is something I am familiar with.

My MNF info is as follows:
Keyword 1: Exact Searches 1900 Listings 2860 SOC 6 CPC 8.55
Keyword 2: Exact Searches 1000 Listings 51 SOC 0 CPC 7.09
Keyword 3: Exact Searches 1900 Listings 509 SOC 0 CPC 2.68
Keyword 4: Exact Searches 1600 Listings 8600 SOC 9 CPC 5.12
Keyword 5: Exact Searches 2400 Listings 9720 SOC 5 CPC 4.04

In my content I blended in some of the other keywords that I had originally picked and chose not to use as pages.

Now, don't over analyse all this. I'm just like John. I'm just sharing in the hopes that it will help someone.

The other thing that might be of interest to you is that in checking my Google analytics stats I noticed that my site is being found in the natural search by other long tail keywords that I didn't even pick or consider. I followed those and found that my site actually ranks higher for those keywords than for the keywords that I picked. I have not yet gone to see what kind of search volume that those long term keywords get.

Some may look at this and say well that's not so great. But, it's a start and it shows me that it can grow and be profitable with a little bit more effort on my part. I'll have to say that I have other sites that have been around a while and took a lot longer to start showing results.

I just did the best I could in picking keywords and jumped in. My expectation is that the first 10 or so websites will be a learning curve for me and after that I should be better at all this. I'm like someone else on the thread said, as long as they pay for themselves and I'm getting better at this then I'm good with it.

Hope my experiences so far will help some of you.

Good luck to everyone.

[mrizos]

Originally Posted by mrizos

Also, I dare ya to find an SOC that is correct. I haven't found 1 yet after testing 10 phrases. I mean they are waaaayyyy off.

Example: samsung flat screen tv

MNF allintitle = 81
Google search on allintitle:"samsung flat screen tv" = 2,790

WOW...

Now that SOC of a pretty green 15 goes up to a red for sure...

MNF support responds to my ticket.

Hi Matt,

What you're seeing is a Google bug --- *not* a Micro Niche Finder bug.

We discovered several weeks ago that Google provides false result numbers --- sometimes on the exact same search ran twice in the same browser session --- when your Google preferences (on their web site, not in Micro Niche Finder) is set to return 10 results per page. We do not know if this is intentional, or if it is a software bug.

We found in our testing that their numbers were much more reliable when the preferences are set to 100 results per page, so we reconfigured Micro Niche Finder to force Google to return 100 results at a time, and published an update.

When I did the allintitle:"samsung flat screen tv" search (with the default 10 results), I got a count of 459 from Google. Upon clicking the page navigation links at the bottom of the page, on Page 8 the results count "magically" changed to 80.

You can see what I'm talking about here:

Created by Camtasia Studio 6


When I changed my preferences on Google's site to return 100 results per page, I got a result count of "1 - 84 of about 80"... Which, on the surface, appears to still be a Google bug. I've attached a screenshot of the search count after changing the preferences to 100.

[eqalias]

Originally Posted by homebse

Some may look at this and say well that's not so great. But, it's a start and it shows me that it can grow and be profitable with a little bit more effort on my part.

I think that's fantastic. I just bought my first two domains and have started writing content. Even if I could average $1 per day per domain over the long term I would haul butt to make 50 sites. Extra money is extra money.

[Gabby12]

Originally Posted by archkre

Is anybody able to help us out on the Wordpress theme problem many of us are going through, please?

Many of us are not web designers.

At least give us a lead of what free wptheme we can start from (no hard coding or minimum).

Help please

For a theme that is easily set up and customized try Semiologic Reloaded.
Just eliminate all the widgets in the sidebar and just use a simple menu in the right sidebar.
Mark

[Richard Odell]

Originally Posted by GossipCrunch

I have John's HTML theme duplicated in Wordpress. If you need then I can give you for a small price ofcourse
Message me if you want one.

John expressly asked that you not share that theme - its not our way here!

[Steve Crooks]

Sorry Mrizos, I misread your question, I thought you meant number of searches.. You are absolutely right, I am getting the same thing here.

Originally Posted by mrizos

No, I was targeting the phrase "external hard driveS reviews". I know how many exact match searches it gets, but what I was trying to get from
mnf was the exact competition which is where it was way off:

mnf said it had 74 competing sites. A google search shows the correct amount of competing sites at 29700!

Now, if mnf gets all it's data from google then I call that one big bug.

[Steve Crooks]

Thats interesting and in reality it isn't actually a bug. You don't even need to set google to 100 in preferences. Just do a normal phrase match search for "external hard drives reviews" in google and it tells you there are about 1840 results.. Click on the page 10 listing at the bottom and suddenly that changes to just 76 results..

This is pretty normal behaviour for google. For some reason they always show how many sites they have in their index when you do your search but when you start to go deeper they always cut off at a much much lower number of results. So MNF is actually returning the right results.

Originally Posted by mrizos

MNF support responds to my ticket.

Hi Matt,

What you're seeing is a Google bug --- *not* a Micro Niche Finder bug.

We discovered several weeks ago that Google provides false result numbers --- sometimes on the exact same search ran twice in the same browser session --- when your Google preferences (on their web site, not in Micro Niche Finder) is set to return 10 results per page. We do not know if this is intentional, or if it is a software bug.

We found in our testing that their numbers were much more reliable when the preferences are set to 100 results per page, so we reconfigured Micro Niche Finder to force Google to return 100 results at a time, and published an update.

When I did the allintitle:"samsung flat screen tv" search (with the default 10 results), I got a count of 459 from Google. Upon clicking the page navigation links at the bottom of the page, on Page 8 the results count "magically" changed to 80.

You can see what I'm talking about here:

Created by Camtasia Studio 6


When I changed my preferences on Google's site to return 100 results per page, I got a result count of "1 - 84 of about 80"... Which, on the surface, appears to still be a Google bug. I've attached a screenshot of the search count after changing the preferences to 100.

[dv8]

Originally Posted by mrizos

Has anyone else noticed that MNF's "get exact phrase count" is completely broken???

I wasted about 20 bucks on some .com's because of this crap. Here is an example:

"external hard drives reviews" - MNF exact phrase count = 74
Doing a google search for "external hard drives reviews" = 29,700

....this sucks big time. I found out that about 6 of my .coms are a complete waste of time thanks to this bug.

Who cares!! If the competition sucks it doesn't matter if there is one competing page or 40 million.

Why don't people understand this?!?!

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by mrizos

Has anyone else noticed that MNF's "get exact phrase count" is completely broken???

I wasted about 20 bucks on some .com's because of this crap. Here is an example:

"external hard drives reviews" - MNF exact phrase count = 74
Doing a google search for "external hard drives reviews" = 29,700

....this sucks big time. I found out that about 6 of my .coms are a complete waste of time thanks to this bug.

Always double-check your keywords once a good one is found.

Google brings back some broken data to MNF (and other tools) all
of the time.

- John

[andyj00]

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

Sorry Mrizos, I misread your question, I thought you meant number of searches.. You are absolutely right, I am getting the same thing here.

Try this, MNF IS correct, just set your preferences to 100:

- Google Search


Edit: just seen yor other post! Yes, MNF is correct.

[XFactor]

I think it's about time to lock this thread.

- John

[SoundsGood]

Originally Posted by XFactor

I think it's about time to lock this thread.

Good idea.

[BryanB55]

I've a hit road block... I was doing good, I have 3 sites up and running with about 3 articles submitted to ezinearticles and 3 articles at goarticles.com for one of the sites, the site was ranking in #8 and jumping around to #1 on page 2, now its gone from the search results completely its not even in the top 20 pages.

I've been hearing about the "google dance" and that this kind of thing happens when a site is new but is there anyway to tell if I've been sandboxed?

The only reason I'm worried about that is because I did about 30 back links from Angela's backlinks one day and I'm wondering if that was too many. (Although I doubt they have all been found by google yet)

[XFactor]

Ok everyone, I'm going to be locking this thread soon, for the following reasons:

1) There is already a TON of information here already, and enough pages of help.

2) I want to spend more time helping customers of my course.

3) Everything is here, so get to work!

- John

[SimonHarrison]

So if you buy the course in your sig you actually offer support on a $50 product?

Sounds ridiculously good.

I'm just weighing up how I could outsource this puppy, I'll go grab the course now.

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

So if you buy the course in your sig you actually offer support on a $50 product?

Sounds ridiculously good.

I'm just weighing up how I could outsource this puppy, I'll go grab the course now.

Yes I'm happy to answer questions when I can from customers, just
no heavy hand-holding - as you do not need it (this is a very simple
business).

- John

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by XFactor

Yes I'm happy to answer questions when I can from customers, just
no heavy hand-holding - as you do not need it (this is a very simple
business).

- John

So you take $50 of my childrens inheritance and you have an issue with me coming to your home for a few measly days of one on one coaching and inclusive meals.

:-)

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

So you take $50 of my childrens inheritance and you have an issue with me coming to your home for a few measly days of one on one coaching and inclusive meals.

:-)

Sounds creepy

- John

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by XFactor

Sounds creepy

- John

So I'm guessing I should cancel the customised "I love John & Adsense" t-shirt order.

Dang...

On a more serious note, I just ordered, it won't let me in though, can you take a look and wang me a PM when you get a moment, password reset perhaps, I'm off to for some kip (UK Based).

All the best.
SH

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

So I'm guessing I should cancel the customised "I love John & Adsense" t-shirt order.

Dang...

On a more serious note, I just ordered, it won't let me in though, can you take a look and wang me a PM when you get a moment, password reset perhaps, I'm off to for some kip (UK Based).

All the best.
SH

Hi Simon - I logged in just fine under your username.

Email me: xfactorpublishing (at) gmail.com

- John

[Stallion]

Thanks for posting this XFactor. I think you really layed down a philosophy for looking at things. Instead of trying to make that massive uber profit making site, go make a lot of little ones. Obviously it is easier to get a 100 sites making $100/mth, than it is to get one site to make $10000/mth.

I also want to thank you for that excellent piece of advice to search products. It's an absolute gold mine of untapped keywords that get huge amounts of searches.

I took me a few days to read this entire 30+ page thread, but I finished it today. As I was taking breaks during the reading I was doing keyword research finding all sorts of interesting keywords. I just purchased 5 domains to start this weekend on.

I have a question, and it is open to anyone. I know you (John) said that if you see Amazon in position 1, that you RUN for that keyword. I've been looking at keywords that have Amazon at the first place and basically the top 10 is full of those aggregator sites (nexttag, bizrate, etc). But when I look at competiting sites (keyword in quotations) we are talking about quarter of a million competiting sites all the way up to million. So Obviously it looks pretty competitive, but you have the top 10 full of crappy aggregator sites.

I'm just curious if anyone has a take on how well it is to compete in this type of situation. Obviously I'm going to test the grounds regardless of what people say, but I'm curious if anyone has done well in such a situation.

[swas98]

"6) Some of my sites only have 1 page of content, yet remain earning
$2 to $3 daily without any upkeep."

Great you are the master of adsense