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Affiliate marketing beginners' friendly strategy?

by Ramy Hafez
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Hello dear warriors all around the world,

I hope everyone is doing well and getting closer to their dreams.

Please allow me to briefly tell you about myself by the end of the post after my question just to be considerate towards people with limited time. I appreciate everyone taking the time to read my post. THANK YOU.

I'm going to embark on the affiliate marketing journey soon and I'm just trying to get my head around things so I can know what I'm going to do and actually go and do it.

My interest is in going into Clickbank with Google Ads or Bing Ads for a starter. I know about the general guidelines towards that approach but I kinda feel that it is a bit of grey area. Some people say that Google ads hate affiliate marketing other say it's hard to build a website and promote Affiliate offers through that website while driving traffic to it using PPC.

My question is;
1. What is in your opinion the best strategy that is beginner's friendly to start in affiliate marketing that allows both learning while on the road as well as profits and successes early on even if it is minor wins or successes such as getting an early first sale .. etc (I explain the thing with minor successes in the brief about me. I'm totally not looking for getting rich now scheme and I'm totally willing to put all the effort and time needed)

or put in other words, that have low failure rates?

if you recommend any other strategy other than the one I have in mind (ClickBank + PPC) please let me know about it and why it's a better choice.

To explain myself better,
* I've decided to set aside a small amount of money to invest in this cause my freelancing income started to be very unstable and a little bit unreliable especially with increasing demands of life with young kids. So I'm trying to make the transition from freelancing to Affiliate marketing in the shortest time possible.

*I don't want to be starting with something that would just halt my progress and my learning curve from the start cause it was a bit advanced, to begin with. I'm open to all challenges but I'm trying to be smart and start with something that would actually allow me to further my knowledge and experience.


2. Any recommended reads, courses or books to give me a boost in the affiliate arena?

P.S. I've for sure been reading, searching, listening and watching and collecting information but just would love to hear your recommendations. Also, I'm going to move into taking actions this week top

Brief about me:
I've been interested in starting my journey in the online business world in general and in the affiliate marketing specifically as a started. I'm not new to the online world since I've been freelancing for the past 5 years and my entire income throughout this period was solely made online. However, I wasn't able to move myself to the next level. I was able to achieve minor successes here and there. Traveled for a while but was continuously facing limitations mostly financial. I have a small family of four with 2 young kids who I wish I can set a good example for.

I have a medical background since I have an MBChB and I've worked in the medical arena as an emergency doctor for a while before I quit everything and started to learn video editing and motion graphics and within a year I was able to generate some side income and after that one year I decided to embark on my traveling dreams and I did actually travel for 4 years with my family until I faced some hardships and calamities which knocked me down to the ground and I had to return back home and now I'm trying to build myself back up again but this time I intend to conquer all my fears, failures and shortcomings.

To be completely honest here I'm a work in progress. I'm trying to succeed online and trying to establish a solid business for my own while at the same trying to beat my flaws and errors. I'm gonna be completely vulnerable here and say that I used to think of myself as a quitter and as soft but those 4 years of travels taught me a lot and difficulties I've faced all alone shaped me into a different person. I want to prove to myself that I can succeed, that I'm not a quitter that I am consistent and that I am a doer, not a talker. That's why I need your help here cause I just want to draw the lines and know what I'm going to achieve this to start to achieve minor successes towards the major successes. Cause I really think I need to create the references for my mind to go back and look at whenever it gets hard.

I've taught myself a lot of things. I've worked and still working on my mindset, my body, and my finances. I like to read books A LOT. I love running and I'm currently using it as a way to develop consistency into my system preparing to run a full marathon next February. BUT as I've stated earlier I consider myself a work in progress and I consider life is the greatest school ever and that one actually dies once they stop learning and developing.

If you have made it to this point of the post. THANK YOU SO MUCH for taking the time to read all of it. I appreciate it.

I always feel that I miss connecting and communicating with like-minded people so aside from my question, I'd be happy to get to know like-minded people and people who were able to achieve their goals and make their dreams realities. So please, connect with me if this something that interests you and you'd like to get to know me better.

Sincerely,
Ramy
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  • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
    Well Ramy,
    I would urge you to start writing your experiences in a book and that would be your best product to achieve affiliate success with.

    Why?

    Because you have strong writing skill, you seem comfortable, and your description of your learning through ordeal seems very captivating. I feel your best product for "affiliate" marketing is your own!

    All the things you need to do for someone else's product, you would be doing for your own - so why not?

    I would start with a blog that you will later turn into that book. You can begin collecting emails from visitors interested in early access to your writings before they get published in brief form on the blog (they'll get fuller versions). These email opt-ins will be the first sales of your book when you publish and they will serve as your first reviewers.

    Your book should be titled in a way to capture the Internet / business journeys you have had and the new one you are embarking on now having learned a lot about life and what is important, etc., and tie that into lessons for anyone seeking to survive in life while trying to make money online.

    You can make videos of some of your memories as a health professional, lessons learned and reflections on life, etc. Quite an interesting array of things I imagine you can develop and amplify.

    Along with each post, your blog could feature some other affiliate products in the writer's, mmo, blogging and self-help niches just to name a few.

    You would be an easy shoe-in for guest blogging here and there, podcast and video interviews, and can develop a few other types of engagements that can create income for you, such as, create courses on how to turn life into profits, etc. <<There you go another product for you!

    Feel free to reach out again along your journey here at the WF and let us know how you're faring and let me know when your book is on Amazon as I will certainly buy it.

    Frankly, I see no better expenditure of your time and no greater way to learn than what I suggested above. Good Luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Ramy Hafez
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      Dear Dr. Rosado,

      I really can't thank you enough for taking the time not to only read my post but also to write down your thoughts and heartfelt advice and for that, I'm grateful and appreciative.

      Some of the ideas you've suggested have been on my mind for a while now. I've been thinking about how to provide value to others and help others to achieve their goals and dreams BUT at the same time I always feel that I need to first achieve my goals and realize my own dreams first. I know the lines are blurred here because when I compare myself now to my past version 15 years earlier I realize that these are 2 completely different versions and that there are people who just sounds and acts like my older versions along that span of the past 15 years.

      I've been away from my friends and family for whole 4 years and when I came back I swear I can see the difference. I can see that nothing has changed and everyone is more or less the exact same. I feel it when I talk to them and see that they can't even comprehend what I'm saying not because I'm better than anyone but because they haven't exposed themselves to new information and experiences.

      I know that my life started to change when I started reading which was around 3 years ago and since then I feel like I've been changing on a daily basis I try to convey this to the people in my life but mostly they are not there yet on their life journeys being bombarded with negativity and the quick pace of life. BUT I've also noticed that some of them started to change because I've been talking to them about some of the ideas and concepts that I've started to believe in even if I'm not sure if this is because of me or it is just something that happened. This among many other things made me think of similar ideas like the one you have mentioned.

      Actually I've been researching a good hosting provider the past couple of days to start taking actions and I was planning on starting my own personal blog and I was thinking of making it as a progress monitoring system where people can see my progress as it is going and eventually that would make me held responsible to achieve my goals as well, being pushed forward by the commitment to my goal of not being a quitter ever again .

      One other reason I've been thinking about this is that I've noticed that for me some times I find difficult to see how can I achieve what other great people have achieved and that's mostly because you can only see their end result of their endless efforts to be great but when I understand their journey and how they have been able to overcome the difficulties, it suddenly shifts my mind and I start believing that I too can do it. So if I was able to share my progress and my working on myself while I'm still at the beginning I believe that might help others see that it is doable and achievable.

      However, as the increasing financial demands of my family are not going anywhere I was also planning on focusing on understanding and achieving success with affiliate marketing promoting someone else's products while I'm building my own personal blog. I believe this way I can start learning and gaining more experience in the field which would also help me working on the other long term project while at the same time being able to cope and meet my family's needs.

      I would definitely keep updating everyone here on WF about how I'm going about it. I'm so thankful for your advice Dr. Rosado and I promise you to let you know once my book is available on Amazon and I promise myself that I'm not going to stop

      Sincerely,
      Ramy
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    Originally Posted by Ramy Hafez View Post

    Hello dear warriors all around the world,

    I'm totally not looking for getting rich now scheme and I'm totally willing to put all the effort and time needed)or put in other words, that have low failure rates?
    First of welcome to the forum. It is nice to see a well written thought out post. I would give professorrosado's idea strong consideration. You got great advice in that post. Good luck in your future.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ramy Hafez
      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

      First of welcome to the forum. It is nice to see a well written thought out post. I would give professorrosado's idea strong consideration. You got great advice in that post. Good luck in your future.
      Thank you so much for taking the time to read my post and to reply to it. I'm definitely going to give professorrosado's idea a strong consideration and would keep on updating in the WF where I am at

      Best of luck my friend,
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    Originally Posted by Ramy Hafez View Post

    I'm totally not looking for getting rich now scheme and I'm totally willing to put all the effort and time needed)[/I]

    or put in other words, that have low failure rates?
    Is it the system / platform / affiliate option, or the lack of effort from the user / person, that causes the failure rate?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ramy Hafez
      Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

      Is it the system / platform / affiliate option, or the lack of effort from the user / person, that causes the failure rate?
      I think it is most likely the lack of effort and that's why I'm trying to put more effort into understanding and gaining advice from the people who have experience and knowledge.

      I'll give you an example which might not be closely related but it would give an idea. I've been practicing running on and off since last year but last month I decided that it's not going to be on and off anymore and that It's going to be consistent from now on and I've put a goal to run a full Marathon which going to take place next February.

      Now I can go out and just run and put much effort into running without the needed information that would prevent me from failing early in the process which by the way I've tried before and I ended up injuring myself and taking 2 weeks+ to recover and then get mixed up with everything going n life and lose the momentum.

      OR

      I can use the experience and information that others who have been able to actually run a full marathon before and who have been running consistently so I can start building up that momentum to keep going.

      Maybe that's not how everyone would think about it but that at least for me would help me keep going and maybe it's just something in my head that would be fixed as I go about it . Building positive experiences and minor successes so I would be able to relate to my own positive experiences and successes.

      I'm not sure I've been able to fully explain myself but I hope you got my idea

      I used to think that I'm not lucky and that I never get anything done easily and I have to suffer a lot before I get the things I want but lately I've realized that this was a limiting belief which I've developed based on so many bad experiences but if I was able to change that limiting belief into a positive belief I would be able to move forward and have success. But how to change that belief if I don't have that have the reservoir of good experiences so it won't turn into a blind belief which in my humble opinion and experience fade away after a while. That's when I started to think of creating minor successes and positive experiences.

      For instance, I've just signed up for a 3-days technology summit where I live and I was about to pay for the ticket on next day when I received a call from a person who gave me an unexpected 20% discount on the price of the ticket and I kept suspecting that this was a scam and kept on asking her why she is doing it and she sincerely replied that she already have promo codes and she was just giving them away randomly. Now, I have this positive experience to use next time I feel that I'm not worthy enough to receive. Now I can become open to receiving.

      Thank you for your thought-provoking question and for taking the time to read my post.
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    I think I am going to cross a line with this one, and go against the grain a bit and suggest that starting with your own product is a path of failure for most. I wont say for all because there are examples of those that plugged thru the thick and thin and have made it to some degree.

    Generally speaking in terms of Internet Marketing 95% of those that start this journey fail. And when I say "Fail" I mean over whatever period of time they have never made more than $100.00 USD

    You are current looking at Click bank and I really do not think that is a bad route to follow for a beginner. Not something I specifically do - or have ever done for that matter. I started my path in Online marketing in the late 90's and a lot of this stuff was not around back then... and simply put things have changed.

    If there is only one thing you draw from this post let it be this... BUY the product you are going to sell. READ it... and actively USE it.

    I would better than venture to say that the 95% of failures don't do the above step... They honestly have NO clue what they are selling, and they are only selling it because "the numbers" looked good.

    Why is this important? #1 By actually going thru the process of buying the product, you will now have access to the follow up sequence of e-mails that product will provide. #2 You will understand HOW they are selling the item IE what they sales page looks like, The verbiage the overall persona of the sales voice. #3 If you BUY from a sales page what does the effort getting a prospect to a sales page look like? - You need to focus on PRE SELLING and not actually selling.

    So what does PRE SELLING look like? A pretty basic buyer cycle on the internet looks like this:

    Just looking ( Tire kicking )
    Interested in X and wanting to learn more ( Intent )
    Interested in option C and wanting to compare it to A and B ( Comparison )
    Going to buy B ( Specific )
    and then after sale support ( Support )

    Pre selling is then creating content about X ( what ever the topic of the item you are selling ) Comparing the item you are selling with other similar products making your item the right choice for the end user . Giving the opportunity to slide over to the sales page ( your affiliate link ) to make the purchase

    And then there is support. the GREATEST short coming of any and every product sold. Now that I have it, how do I use it? in terms of say A weight loss program, a workout program, a course that teaches how to get internet traffic etc etc etc. You are generally given the product ( a PDF or the like ) and that's the end of that.

    Sales are more often than not closed based on a few things. Authority - your just starting and even tho you have a degree, 8 blog posts isn't going to get you here. Brand - Again just starting and this doesn't exist yet. Education - Educate about the product you are selling from a position of actually using it, this helps with authority, and develops trust in knowing buying from "you" is the right choice.

    Using your Marathon running example, as an example. who do you want to learn about running a marathon? someone that is going to run their first on in Feb? OR someone that has ran 20 of them over the past 5 years? - THAT is Authority.

    A website written by Haile Gebrselassie Would be Authority

    Selling a product by Haile Gebrselassie Would be Brand and using your personal journey following that product leading up to running your first marathon in Feb piggy backs the Brand, and the Authority, and creates trust in those that read you. make sense?

    I personally think to get to a point that you are producing your own products, comes at the point of developing BRAND and AUTHORITY for yourself over time, and using others Brand and Authority to getting there. And again looking back at the 95% this is not something you see practiced.

    Wish the best of luck for you, Professionally and Personally

    Hope that Helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author Ramy Hafez
      Thank you @savidge4 for the advice. I do appreciate it. I think it's a very good idea to actually try the product before promoting it and I might try to implement that.

      Aside from that, my main question was about the strategy to start with. Like can I learn from starting to promote products from Clickbank by building a micro niche website and promote that website on Google Ads or Bing Ads? is this a valid strategy to start with?

      Also, anyone, one could please recommend a course on affiliate marketing to follow along?
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        Originally Posted by Ramy Hafez View Post

        Aside from that, my main question was about the strategy to start with. Like can I learn from starting to promote products from Clickbank by building a micro niche website and promote that website on Google Ads or Bing Ads? is this a valid strategy to start with?

        Also, anyone, one could please recommend a course on affiliate marketing to follow along?
        Rule #1: NEVER promote a site, ONLY promote a specific product that goes to a specific landing page when you are using paid ads.

        Every click is an opportunity for a potential buyer not to buy. If you read here: https://www.warriorforum.com/beginne...pointment.html you will see me explain this a bit more.

        In terms of a course...I don't think there is one per-se that is worth a damn because the 95% that could not sell someone elses product bought into the grass being greener on the other side in creating and selling their own product. The only problem with that is they were not successful at affiliate marketing.

        There are basically 2/3 paths to take if you create a Micro niche site, with content that ranges as I have described above.

        You use SEO to get traffic. If this is a path you want to learn about I suggest looking up "Andrew Hansen" at rankings institute, and jump on his e-mail list. I do have to say over the many years I have been involved in Internet Marketing, Andrews e-mail drip is hands down, no questions asked, the best piece of e-mail marketing every time it hits the inbox. And I am not talking about just the internet marketing space... I mean of ALL the sales e-mails ( big chain stores, professional sales pitches etc etc ) I get, it is clearly the best.

        The warrior Forum Member "Michael Meaney" is someone else to track down, his e-mail sequence isn't the best, but his video content is spot on - he does have a course, and if its anything like his video content it might be worth a look.

        The next option is pumping ads. I have no point of reference directly relating to this topic, because every one I have ever seen blows. What I DO suggest is looking at the mechanics of a good ad campaign and that means you need to look into the world of CRO ( Conversion Rate Optimization ). "Rich Page" comes to mind, some handy little tools can be found on his site, and a better than basic understanding of what CRO is can be had.

        You want to go over the deep end with CRO? click here: https://meclabs.com/ Once you understand how to navigate the site a bit, its fricken invaluable. I cant say I have taken a course of theirs or anything like that, but the provided content has literally transformed what it is I do on a daily basis. ( Part of my agency provides CRO services )

        The Third option is social media - not so much running ads ( that's obviously been covered ) but actually creating traffic, trust and reach using a social media account. My goto lookup for that is Gary Vee and his $1.80 IG strategy. Put your head down and do it EVERY day, and the results are astounding.

        Rule #2 and you will see this with some CRO reading, the ad text needs to match the lander text in context.. change the text in the ad, you need to change the text on the lander. More than one ad running, then you will have more than one lander. THIS is critical for success in Ads

        Failure in running ad campaigns 60% of the time are from breaking rule 1 or rule 2. The other 40% is improper targeting of the ads.

        How to optimize an ad... there are generally 4 steps a customer needs to take to successful buy something / anything when following a sales funnel.

        The first click is obviously clicking the ad. If they are not clicking something is wrong right here ( targeting that line of text isn't grabbing their attention etc ) - get this part right and you are onto something.

        The next step is one I skip, but I would suggest you don't and that is getting an e-mail address. Once they land on the lander, based on the Ad text, they should know what to expect. enter e-mail here to get what the ad says you will get here.

        The delivery of product / thank you page... And from here is where the presell kicks in over drive. that second to last click to getting them to your affiliate link sales page.

        The LAST click the FINAL payday conversion you literally have no control over. BUT if in context the content you have provided up until now is as close to parallel with what the sales offer is, you stand a better than good chance at a sale.

        A suggestion. Create an e-mail account specifically for following thru peoples sales funnels and getting their e-mail drips. It will be real clear which ones are BAD, decent and GOOD, but regardless of the quality, there is something to learn.

        Hope that Helps!
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        • Profile picture of the author Ramy Hafez
          Hello savidge4,

          I really can't thank you enough for your invaluable advice, tips, recommendations, and insights and THANK YOU so much for taking the time to answer my questions and reply to my post, I do appreciate it a lot.

          I'd definitely be coming back to this post to use it as a reference because really the information provided is just GREAT. Thank you!

          If you don't mind me asking a few more questions, I'd be grateful

          Now, I've read Perry Marshall's "Ultimate Guide to Google AdWords" and Scientific Advertising by Claude Hopkins and was going to start reading Brad Geddes' "Advanced Google AdWords' and I kinda felt very very interested in Marketing in general and as a starter in text ads and google ads specifically.

          I felt more drawn towards advertising to people who are actually looking for the information on Google rather than interrupting their own experience on Facebook and Instagram through ads on those 2 platforms. Kindly notice that I am a beginner so I might a bit wrong about this and I totally understand there is a huge opportunity in social marketing but I just wanted to make it my second option to learn.

          And what is confusing me know is that I've read and listened a lot about Google and even Facebook banning ad accounts for promoting affiliate products and everyone has a different say in the matter. So few believe that it is better to build a micro niche website rather than just a landing page/opt-in page that directs the users to the affiliate product after collecting their emails cause they believe that Google ads would either ban their account or won't approve the ads in the first place.

          My Questions:
          1. Is it a good idea to start with Google ads?
          2. If yes, Is it a valid idea to go build a micro-niche website and promote it on Google ads?
          2a. If yes, are there any specific precautions I would need to take to be on the safe side with Google?
          2b. If no, would you suggest just building a landing page providing value to viewers and collecting prospects' emails and then directing them towards the offer/product?

          I totally appreciate your time and I would not want to consume your time more than necessary so if you think any of the questions have been answered before or there is like a recommended read about it, I would ask you please to just direct me to it. Otherwise, I'd definitely be happy to know your thoughts about them


          Rule #1: NEVER promote a site, ONLY promote a specific product that goes to a specific landing page when you are using paid ads.
          I got your idea on this, however, my original idea was to just promote a specific article from that page that promotes the product subtly. Would this also be a no go? (Giving the thoughts above about bans and so)

          Every click is an opportunity for a potential buyer not to buy. If you read here: https://www.warriorforum.com/beginne...pointment.html you will see me explain this a bit more.
          This is just great info. I am now thinking FOCUS and short, easy quick selling process and I totally liked the concept of the many minor conversions.

          Rule #2 and you will see this with some CRO reading, the ad text needs to match the lander text in context.. change the text in the ad, you need to change the text on the lander. More than one ad running, then you will have more than one lander. THIS is critical for success in Ads
          I totally agree with this and I believe Perry Marshall emphasized this many times in his book and now you are again confirming how critical is this and I'd definitely keep that in mind.

          A suggestion. Create an e-mail account specifically for following thru peoples sales funnels and getting their e-mail drips. It will be real clear which ones are BAD, decent and GOOD, but regardless of the quality, there is something to learn.
          This is just wonderful.

          Finally, I just want to explain that I'm not in favor of one strategy over another. My interest started with Google ads and from there I tried to understand and find what would work with Google ads. So please if you suggest any other route or you have another opinion I'd love to know about.

          Again, allow me to thank you for your time, big time .

          All the best.
          Sincerely,
          Ramy
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          • Profile picture of the author savidge4
            Originally Posted by Ramy Hafez View Post

            My Questions:
            1. Is it a good idea to start with Google ads?
            2. If yes, Is it a valid idea to go build a micro-niche website and promote it on Google ads?
            2a. If yes, are there any specific precautions I would need to take to be on the safe side with Google?
            2b. If no, would you suggest just building a landing page providing value to viewers and collecting prospects' emails and then directing them towards the offer/product?
            Long work day, sorry I didn't get to this earlier.

            To answer your questions... #1: is it a good idea to start with Google ads? Anytime you want to bring your efforts to "Scale" ( watch some Gary Vee video's and you will understand better what that means ) Paid advertising is required. Even the best of affiliate marketers that actually provide the product being sold, sell their own material using Paid Advertising. So with this I am not in any way shape or form going to say no.

            #2: If yes ( and it is a yes ) would I build a micro niche site and promote it using google ads. YES I would build the site, No I would not promote the site itself ( as in link to the main page or a post on the site ). Think of it this way... the site is there to A) create validation for your efforts. B) at a point down the road become a source of traffic in your selling efforts. In terms of Content Marketing there is also a C) that suggests the site becomes the hub of your many external efforts IE social properties, guest posting etc etc

            I will hold firm to the send paid traffic to a page ( that obviously can be placed on the same domain as the micro site - and this is actually preferred ) that is designed to do what it is you want specifically be it sell an item, or get an e-mail address, or book a appointment. whatever it is, the answer from me will always be the same. Sites are made to inform and guide the end user into a funnel, and a funnel created by outside advertising need to goto a page dedicated to its function.

            Lets take this a step further.. not the best example in the world but scroll up a bit and click on the Professors 2nd link "Own your own game company".. that would be a lander. In a perfect world there would be a single call to action, but here in a second the contrast will be clear.

            Now goto gap.com. What are the differences? In the world of CRO we look for something called "Bleed" meaning the number of links off of a page vs the specific action we want an end user to take. gap.com they actually want the user to bleed from the home page, and click a category, then a product and then make a purchase. The Professors page, he simply wants you to make a membership choice and click. FORM is following FUNCTION.

            #2A: A piece of advice... Services such as Google ads grade your acct overall. When starting out you will for the most part ding your account until you kinda get things right. I suggest that you start your first set of efforts with an account that is set up in your Parents name, your wifes, your GF's, who evers ( legally ) Once you have the hang of it, then start a new acct under your name. ( oh the tricks we learn with experience )

            In terms of all the hearsay of Google does not like affiliate links... In a sense it is true - but not really. The easy test.. when looking at clickbank and the possible products you might sell, Google them.. are there ads or not?

            #2B: I believe I have already answered... in terms of the set up it is pretty standard to go from Ad to e-mail conversion to Sales pitch.

            I personally specialize in e-commerce ( products ) and that changes things a bit, I don't so much bother with the tiny conversion of getting the e-mail, as I focus on simply pushing the sale. To start with, I would not suggest doing this but as you get more successful at what it is you are doing it may be something to look at.

            I know I know everyone says the money is in the list.. and it is.. its the money you have to hand over every month for a company to hold, verify and send emails for you. get 100,000 e-mail names on your list and it gets expensive. bring that to scale across say 20 sites, and its a downright small fortune. When and if you have this issue count your blessings - you didn't just make it, you have exceeded what most obtain LOL.

            Hope that Helps!
            and please don't hesitate to ask more questions
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            • Profile picture of the author Ramy Hafez
              This is really wonderful. Lots of golden nuggets in there . I can't thank you enough really.

              What I understood is that I need to get so clear and focused on what I need users to actually do and make it as easy and short for them as possible. This actually what I wanted to start with, in the beginning until I read about the issues with promoting a landingpage and so. But now I think I might try combining both like what you have suggested being it under the same domain.

              a funnel created by outside advertising need to goto a page dedicated to its function.
              I liked this. GREAT!

              please don't hesitate to ask more questions
              Well, I just got two more questions

              About the lander, what's in your opinion the best option or what is your favorite setup?

              I mean, from what I understood that in order to get that first conversion of collecting emails and directing them to salespage, one need to provide value first like a free report or guide on the matter, a review or free training video .. etc

              * So in your opinion, what would be considered value here?


              Also, long vs. short landing page. I myself just get lost when I land on a long landing page and lose interest but so far I understood that the market is not me so what I favor is not always the right thing.

              * In your opinion what's better, or does it depend on various factors or it's better to split test things?

              lastly, should the landing page include any home link or other links like Privacy, policy, disclaimers since it's on the same domain?

              I noticed the Professor's landing page has none but the clear CTA and when I tried to reduce the link to .com it seems that the site is under maintenance.

              I kinda have an idea what might your answers be giving your advice so far but I just have to ask so bare with me if my questions sounded repetitive

              Hope that Helps!
              Well that immensely helped. I finally feel I'm getting my head around things here and the picture is getting clearer about what I'm going to do. THANK YOU!
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              • Profile picture of the author savidge4
                Originally Posted by Ramy Hafez View Post

                About the lander, what's in your opinion the best option or what is your favorite setup?

                I mean, from what I understood that in order to get that first conversion of collecting emails and directing them to salespage, one need to provide value first like a free report or guide on the matter, a review or free training video .. etc

                * So in your opinion, what would be considered value here?
                And here is where the need for buying the product comes in to play. With the idea of "Pre-Selling" what can you give that stays within the context of the item you are selling? An example, I sell SEO services. I can goto a clients place of business and using the Google Contribute app place their business in google maps including information like hours of operation and days and photos etc... A FREE Google map listing gives the prospect client VALUE, and in turn it gives me a Google for Business listing to work with. 2 birds one stone

                Originally Posted by Ramy Hafez View Post

                Also, long vs. short landing page. I myself just get lost when I land on a long landing page and lose interest but so far I understood that the market is not me so what I favor is not always the right thing.

                * In your opinion what's better, or does it depend on various factors or it's better to split test things?
                Split testing beyond telling you which is better.. gets YOU out of the decision making process. DATA makes the decision for you. Once you are used to doing testing, you quickly realize that what works and what doesn't is dependent on traffic. What works with Google Ads may not work with Facebook ads.. the traffic is different. What works with Google traffic vs google traffic works 60% of the time, and in the world of CRO 60% is a miss.. so just test each and every single time,and KNOW you have taken the YOU out of the equation.

                Originally Posted by Ramy Hafez View Post

                lastly, should the landing page include any home link or other links like Privacy, policy, disclaimers since it's on the same domain?
                I personally say yes..at the bottom I will / would include a home link, a Privacy policy, a Affiliate disclaimer, and an about link ( all of the things that Google likes to see. BUT regardless of Google its just a good idea. 4 links plus a a Solid call to action is still far better than a sites page full of navigation and latest articles and FAQ and what ever else bleed there may be.

                Originally Posted by Ramy Hafez View Post

                I noticed the Professor's landing page has none but the clear CTA and when I tried to reduce the link to .com it seems that the site is under maintenance.
                Not really one to put other WF users under the bus.. but his link was available. BUT one of the things you are working towards is "TRUST" and when a user clicks on a lander page, THEY WILL a good amount of the time click on to see the home page, and in this case.. its not there. Pointing to a page that again is related in CONTEXT to what you are offering builds TRUST, and that is a good thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Can I add my 2c, Having had my account banned by giggle for promoting a clickbank product, that being how to build a container home from memory, and this was years ago when giggle was banning accounts quicker than jack be nimble, I would probably not recommend you start with giggle n clickbank if you do not know what your doing. ( and yes I got my account reinstated, but only after a lot of work)

    So if you going to send paid traffic in most cases you can not send it direct to the offer, so it needs to go to your site.

    You keep saying micro ? or as I read a thin site with barley any other purpose or value to push the affiliate product, so that wont wash.

    Second push it to a page on the same domain, that is fine but just make sure all navigation buttons are there including links to privacy and terms etc, you do not want to lock people into a one way no way out trap door or giggle will slam you.

    I would not especially with giggle be promoting any snake oil products from clickbank that make wild claims about money and or health etc.

    with the land page to collect emails giggle will slam that as it is a one way street as well.

    Buddy there are a dozen people here all with guides, reach out to them, learn from all and sundry, even clickbank have a university ? you can pay to attend and or I am sure you can shoot cb an email in regards is this friendly or not to promote.

    but just firing up any clickbank product and firing that at giggle with some half arsed site with closed doors selling snake oil will see you with a one way ticket to neverland.

    Edit. I will also throw out there each affiliate platform / product has restrictions on how their creatives can be used and many do not allow you to promote on places like giggle etc, if you they will ban your account giving you a double whammy so check that as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ramy Hafez
    Hi tryinhere,

    Thank you for taking the time to add value to this post, I appreciate it.

    You keep saying micro ? or as I read a thin site with barley any other purpose or value to push the affiliate product, so that wont wash.
    I didn't mean a micro site, I meant micro niche which means a site specific and targeted towards a micro-topic or keyword. I just wanted to make that clear for any other newbies like me because when I first learned about it I didn't know what it meant. Sorry if I didn't explain it well.


    Second push it to a page on the same domain, that is fine but just make sure all navigation buttons are there including links to privacy and terms etc, you do not want to lock people into a one way no way out trap door or giggle will slam you.
    That makes sense. Notice that I'm only trying to learn the mechanics of things here and I'm not in favor of doing things one way or another, I'm just trying to understand what's the right thing to do.

    Buddy there are a dozen people here all with guides, reach out to them, learn from all and sundry, even clickbank have a university ? you can pay to attend and or I am sure you can shoot cb an email in regards is this friendly or not to promote.
    Would you recommend any specific posts or people to follow here on WF? Also I've just got the ClickBank University I would be starting that.


    but just firing up any clickbank product and firing that at giggle with some half arsed site with closed doors selling snake oil will see you with a one way ticket to neverland.
    I have to say I don't wanna go to neverland I intend to succeed.

    Edit. I will also throw out there each affiliate platform / product has restrictions on how their creatives can be used and many do not allow you to promote on places like giggle etc, if you they will ban your account giving you a double whammy so check that as well.
    I've noticed that from reading their affiliates pages.

    Once again tryinhere, thank you and please whenever you have 2¢ to spare just throw them in, they are pretty valuable to me and I appreciate it.
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by Ramy Hafez View Post

      Hi tryinhere,
      Thank you for taking the time to add value to this post, I appreciate it.

      I didn't mean a micro site, I meant micro niche which means a site specific and targeted towards a micro-topic or keyword. I just wanted to make that clear for any other newbies like me because when I first learned about it I didn't know what it meant. Sorry if I didn't explain it well..
      Ok sorry for my confusion, but now I will ask why, why would you do that ? and I may be wrong, but you are leaving yourself no where to go.

      Lets say the micro key, is growing tomatoes in pots ? and your whole Micro Site and or thinking is based on that ? yes

      So now you may be able to write half a dozen articles about that, if your lucky ? and let say you have 100 people coming to that site, and as above your all out of love in adding more content.

      ? so why not think bigger and base your site growing vegetables in posts for example but make your first target tomatoes in pots as above, but now what you have started to drive traffic and your site is building in authority etc its getting some links, now guess what you add growing cucumbers in posts ?

      Brilliant not wasting that traffic an I bet people who want to grow tomatoes in posts may be interested in other things like cucumbers. now even more authority links, giggle love and yes rinse and repeat again for as many vegetables as you can.

      But wait there is more, instead of growing vegetables in pots, how about growing vegetables and flowers in pots, ? maybe even miniature trees in little pots. where you will never really run out of content

      Ok I am being a little silly but I hope you see the point of maybe thinking a bit bigger ? maybe that's not for you ?

      Would you recommend any specific posts or people to follow here on WF? Also I've just got the ClickBank University I would be starting that.
      No, based on that often when asking questions like you are going to get 101 replies all referencing different people / products, mostly these references are based on choices they have made and trying to validate for themselves that they have made the right decision, many of them are still in nappies and have not learnt to wipe their own backsides yet.

      So if anything just use the search here with your keyword, and look for people with proven track record over a long time and that's probably a good place to start.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ramy Hafez
    Hello savidge4,

    Thank you so much for your reply. Now I kinda have a clear overview of what I would do and how to do it.

    Split testing beyond telling you which is better.. gets YOU out of the decision making process.
    This is absolutely perfect. However, I would like to understand which data to look at? I mean if I'm testing landers, ads copy, keywords .. etc. I'm testing different things.. How can I best read the data to determine what's working and what's not? I know this might be a whole another topic but I just want general guidelinse. Like is it something that comes with practice? or it can be learned and studied from the start?

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I'd need to have only one variable (X for example) which I'm testing while everything else fixed? is this right? and wouldn't this require so many ads to test everything?

    or it's possible to test more than one thing at a time?

    I'm sorry if my questions sound a bit basics but testing is a bit vague to me till now and I am a newbie remember lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Ramy Hafez
    Ok I am being a little silly but I hope you see the point of maybe thinking a bit bigger ? maybe that's not for you ?
    Not at all really. It makes sense to me. I just got that idea of starting that small from reading other posts and someone suggested that it would be a good starting point for beginners to start in a small pond with few or even no big fishes rather than going into a big pond getting eaten early on. I think what you mean is to leave door for scaling right? like for instance if my URL says GrowingTomatoesInPots.com now I kinda closed some kind of door, right?


    So if anything just use the search here with your keyword, and look for people with proven track record over a long time and that's probably a good place to start.
    Perfect.

    Once again thanks a lot.
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