this can't be selling...

[davemiz]

Chronic Comissions

if this sells - i'm in the wrong niche.

No disrespect to anyone, but even my 16 yr old cousin just saw it and immediately knew it was a crock of s**t.

I mean really, are people in here and in the IM niche THAT F**king stupid?

[ewenmack]

It's right out of Of Kevin Rogers and Ben Johnson's Black Hat Copy Formula.

Best,
Ewen

[davemiz]

their stuff is really good, i bought it, but cmon...

[OnlineMasterMind]

Hell yeah that'll convert...

I bet it'd even convert on cold traffic (although it's too niche to convert well enough to scale)

Do you have any idea how big the "make money taking surveys" market is?

Or remember the "run your car on water" product phase?

Or what about the ab belt pro that you put on and it sculpts your abs...

On another note, that video is freakin hilarious... I love it.

I want to buy whoever created that a beer. So many great lines, I couldn't stop laughing

"These gurus hold you hostage on a 2 hr webinar from hell..."

[36burrows]

So you're saying this can't be selling, yet you bought it yourself?

[Hardy Chou]

Uhm...you're saying that they are not?

Originally Posted by davemiz

I mean really, are people in here and in the IM niche THAT F**king stupid?

[davemiz]

me and ewen were talking about kevin/bens copy course wso...

[John_S]

Telling about 'people' using the system, without their own testimonials?

A stock photo of a helicopter? As in "here's my personal helicopter?"

Oh yeah. This is going into the file. Because if it's on the 'net ...it has got to be working.

Wait. Wait. I still have the template letter this is based on. At least the template has 'photo testimonials'.

The only market paying commisions as described is from selling chronic. So ...well foreshadowed.

[Red Munkey]

Apparently being on the "Chronic" transformed this guy into a master photographer. I've never seen candid shots taken with such crystal clarity.

[John_S]

At the bottom of the page, in dark gray-on-black as to make the link nearly invisible, is this disclaimer page.

[RickDuris]

I'm not saying it's true. I'm not saying it's not. I'm not even saying it will sell.

Chronic Comissions

But you gotta give the guys points for creativity.

And the premise? You gotta admit, it's pretty strong.

My opinion? They missed the market. I mean really who listens to a burnt out hippie beach bum from the sixties? Someone no one's even heard of.

Answer: Karma-caring hippie chick girls. Not many of them in IM. And if there are? They're broke.

Think about it this way: Let's just say for the sake of example, that this man was 20 years old when he was at Woodstock. Woodstock was in 1969. That would make this guy over sixty years old.

But we'll see. Everything's a test.

- Rick Duris

[MontelloMarketing]

No way this is Kevin. He's a better writer than this... much better.

[Mark Andrews]

Originally Posted by RickDuris

I mean really who listens to a burnt out hippie beach bum from the sixties?

Please take this in the manner intended but...

Has it never occured to you Rick that you look just like the person you just described? And living on the California coast it's even more ironic lol.

Don't take offense please, I'm just pulling your leg.

[Mark Andrews]

Originally Posted by MontelloMarketing

No way this is Kevin. He's a better writer than this... much better.

You should know Vin, you trained him if I recall correctly?

[RickDuris]

Originally Posted by Pete Walker

Please take this in the manner intended but...

Has it never occured to you Rick that you look just like the person you just described? And living on the California coast it's even more ironic lol.

Don't take offense please, I'm just pulling your leg.

You're so funny. No harm done.

For the record:

1. I don't surf. Water's much too cold here. Even 3mm thick wet suits do not comfort. Maui or Oahu is much more conducive for such things for me. There, it's bath water temperature.

But I do hang out at the beaches. The sun and sand is good for you.

2. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs either--over the counter, behind-the-counter or under-the-counter. That stuff messes up your creativity. Compromises.

3. I don't do drum circles. Drums are nice. Guitars are better. Especially loud ones.

- Rick Duris

[Daniel Scott]

Looks like it was written by Mal Lambe ("Metronicity") to me.

I say this because it strikes me as very similar to the "Go Click Cash" letter... which based on what was in in Mal's signature for a while, did pretty well.

Could be wrong about the author... just looks very similar to my eyes.

To answer your original question... a quick browse of the main forum will prove to you just how desperate most people are for a solution... even if it doesn't make any sense.

Anyone can sell stuff if they're willing to lie, cheat, and steal. But it takes skill to move a lot of product and keep a clean conscience.

-Daniel

[Scott Murdaugh]

Dude, I clicked my mouse 5 times and got nothing.

I clicked another 5 times to exit the page.

And I DID make money! But it was .30 from my Adsense account on an old site. I can't promise any correlation.

-Scott

P.S. I haven't experimented with clicking 10x yet. Will report back when I clear six-figures from mouse clicking.

[Neil AM]

Originally Posted by davemiz

I mean really, are people in here and in the IM niche THAT F**king stupid?

Hate to say it, but there's people everywhere that stupid, or just desperate. There's still a lot of people out there who want to believe you can get money for nothing.

Then there's going to be a few sales from the people who know it's BS but just can't resist making sure.

Personally I'll stick to playing the lottery for my get-rich-quick dreams...

[davemiz]

funny... i get a skype from a friend yesterday... he asks me to promo his offer... guess which one it is... (rhetorical question)

and this guy is one of the nicest ppl i've met in the IM niche....

go figure.

[ezybux4u]

Originally Posted by davemiz

Chronic Comissions

if this sells - i'm in the wrong niche.

No disrespect to anyone, but even my 16 yr old cousin just saw it and immediately knew it was a crock of s**t.

I mean really, are people in here and in the IM niche THAT F**king stupid?

Unfortunately there does seem to be alot of stupid people buying these garbage re-hashes every second day, otherwise these clowns making the products wouldn't bother to market them.

Its a sad state of affairs with the Clickbank "make money" BS floating around./ It's almost like genuine integrity and quality have taken the back-burner.

I would actually feel dirty if I promoted something like Chronic Commissions...

[TheRedPill]

Well has anyone actually bought it ? I don't see any reviews here.

[JFischer]

My BS meter broke, and that was just because I couldn't accept his claim. 'Get Rich Quick' schemes only enrich the people selling them.

And the guy had a life story that could have been effectively used to get our attention and draw us in. Instead, he sounded like a cut-rate used-car salesman. He was selling us, and it showed.

[TheRedPill]

Well I found this which reveals the members area.

www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=TdLL6YxihGE

[TheRedPill]

He also ranked #3 for "chronic commissions review' using Blogspot, which I thought was pretty interesting.

theproducttester dot blogspot dot com/2011/07/chronic-commissions-review-chronic.html

[art72]

Dave...

Thanks for the post, I needed a good laugh!

Honestly, some of the lines he dropped were funny as hell, but unless moving to Colorado and opening a legal medical marijuana store is in the cards...something like this seems to be targeting the stoned crowd.

With that said, he'll prob do alright with it. Dropping lines like; "no more sex swaps for software" - "like a hippie with the munchies at Ben and Jerry's" - and "doing blends even Charlie Sheen wouldn't dream of" had me cracking up.

At the end of the day, the only difference between his approach and every other sales letter out there was "if a homeless stoner can do it so can you!" - and you can bet people will buy it.

Not exactly what i'm looking to promote and I used to surf (waves, not couches) smoke, and party quite a bit myself

Love the pic with the Mac on the log table, and a few others. Too each there own!

[The Copy Nazi]

Originally Posted by Daniel Scott

Looks like it was written by Mal Lambe ("Metronicity") to me.

I say this because it strikes me as very similar to the "Go Click Cash" letter... which based on what was in in Mal's signature for a while, did pretty well.

Could be wrong about the author... just looks very similar to my eyes.

To answer your original question... a quick browse of the main forum will prove to you just how desperate most people are for a solution... even if it doesn't make any sense.

Anyone can sell stuff if they're willing to lie, cheat, and steal. But it takes skill to move a lot of product and keep a clean conscience.

-Daniel

Nope. I hate it. And, to paraphrase Vin's comment, I'm a much better writer than this.

This is just laughable...man. Not to mention unbelievable - as in "you really expect people to fall for this rubbish?" The amatuerish FAKED Clickbank screenshot earnings...The photo of a Tahitian hut on Bora-Bora lagoon claiming to be Bali (captioned "Balit")...the photo of a tiny sandspit that's supposed to be his "private island"...the whole BS about his couch-surfing host kicking the bucket and leaving him the keys to the Kingdom.

Nah...this is worse than the tripe I wrote for GoClickCash - which apparently fooled a Million Dollars worth of buyers that thought our man "James Denzel" was a real player...cause - you know - he has his own private jet and stuff and even gets to shag his red-bra-flashing P.A. (not my idea BTW).

Nah this was definitely not me. But I know who wrote it. Austin Powers.

BTW makes a mockery of Clickbank supposedly cleaning house doesn't it. They are some of the worst fake earnings screenshots I've ever seen. Who the hell let that through?

And once again we have Clickbank seemingly endorsing the use of illegal drug-taking.

I dunno...I gotta find a new line of work. This whole I.M. industry is worse than even Murdoch's tabloid and cable TV stinkorama.

Worst part is, these guys butcher my copy...throw in fraudulent headlines, fraudulent earnings screenshots, cheesy scenarios like bathrobe-wearing fossils about to hump their Personal Assistants...and my name is on it.

I think Rick Duris was right when he said a year ago something about we're getting to the stage where the latest technique will be to have a salespage that is completely HONEST. Imagine that huh? No claims of "I made $212 Trillion in 30 days using this magic software" (and I'm willing to let you have it for $27). No obviously shopped Clickbank and PayPal screenshots. No rubbish about "I used to be a hippie until I stumbled on this..."

Meanwhile...if you're reading this and are looking for a great hook...I've got this idea...Dude has cancer...only has six months to live...stumbles across a piece of software that turns the new Google Plus into a veritable ATM. But not only that...it cures Cancer! No bull. The more you use it, the better it works. But he only has 500 copies available and there are 500,000 chumps on the waiting list.

[Mark Andrews]

The 'dude' certainly learn't the art of marketing quickly for a couch surfing beach bum with next to no knowledge about computers.

Lots of disconnects in the sales letter - it's far too far over the top.

Stands out a mile that this isn't the guys personal story, that some copywriter strung this one together and then not altogether very well.

It reeks of BS.

Why would a complete drop out hippy with no inclination to participate in the mainstream suddenly take it upon himself to put together this website all for the sake of earning 150 x $49.whatever the figure asked for is? And on the back of making so much money he could afford to buy his own island?

Yeah right on. Gotcha lol.

Wait! Before you go x 4 - too funny... 5 clicks to financial freedom my foot! What a crock of .......s.

[derricks4]

If you market ice the right way, eskimos will buy it.

[agababryn]

it will sell to those who wat something for nothing and they are petty many out there...

[Chris Sorrell]

This hit No1 on Clickbank today..

So in response to OP's thread title of 'this can't be selling...'

Well, yes it can.

[max5ty]

Originally Posted by TheRedPill

Well has anyone actually bought it ? I don't see any reviews here.

Looks to me like a real gold mine for attorneys. Any honest legal department will tell you right away that a disclaimer page won't save your rear in court.

anyways...

I read a review here.

Tells who's behind the program.

Said you may have to spend some more cash to get the program to work as quick as the ads say.

Winter Valko | StevenSmithBlog.com

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by max5ty

I read a review here.

Tells who's behind the program.

I love the comment "Chronic Commissions in my opinion is very descent". Brings it down to a whole new level ...

[The Copy Nazi]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I love the comment "Chronic Commissions in my opinion is very descent". Brings it down to a whole new level ...

Yeah I noticed that too. From a completely crap "review" - like most of these affiliate things. Still doesn't tell us who the writer is.

Did you also notice the "Chronic Comissions" at the top of the page?

[DireStraits]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I love the comment "Chronic Commissions in my opinion is very descent". Brings it down to a whole new level ...

Hoo0o-eeee ... I'm surprised you managed to read that far. Whole thing's the pits.

[OnlineMasterMind]

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

Nah...this is worse than the tripe I wrote for GoClickCash - which apparently fooled a Million Dollars worth of buyers

Oh...

So you openly admit to writing copy for the EXACT SAME ("fooled") type of offer... but then you have the audacity to judge this one.

Interesting.

In terms of ethics, there's no real distinction between the two offers. They both use lies and deceptive advertising.

The only difference is that this one is a lot more entertaining.

[The Copy Nazi]

Originally Posted by OnlineMasterMind

Oh...

So you openly admit to writing copy for the EXACT SAME ("fooled") type of offer... but then you have the audacity to judge this one.

Interesting.

In terms of ethics, there's no real distinction between the two offers. They both use lies and deceptive advertising.

The only difference is that this one is a lot more entertaining.

I was wondering when someone would bring that up. BUT...as I said...what I wrote and what I advised - is not the same as what eventuated - and as I pointed out, Mastermind, it has my name on it - which I'm not happy about. As for "this one is a lot more entertaining" - that's a subjective opinion. From what I've seen, plenty of people found both my copy and video script highly entertaining. So entertaining in fact that a zillion of them bought the bloody thing.

Now let's have a look at what you've written lately shall we? Care to share?

Update: just went back and read some of your threads. "OnlineMasterMind" huh? Right. Or as you would say "interesting".

If you want to talk about - in your words - "lies" and "deceptive advertising" - I'm up for it. In fact, Mister MasterMind, I'll give you a whole lot of Skype conversations and emails and PMs I've had with high-profile clients and wannabe clients about this very subject. In fact, I'll go further...I'll share conversations I've had with copywriters on this very board on the same subject (with their names redacted of course - I'm not Murdoch).

[Alex Ceskavich]

"Never underestimate people's willingness to believe." A grossly paraphrased Eugene Schwartz quote.

- Alex

[OnlineMasterMind]

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

I was wondering when someone would bring that up. BUT...as I said...what I wrote and what I advised - is not the same as what eventuated - and as I pointed out, Einstein, it has my name on it - which I'm not happy about. As for "this one is a lot more entertaining" - that's a subjective opinion. From what I've seen, plenty of people found both my copy and video script highly entertaining.

Then why were you so quick to claim it as yours just a couple of months ago? (including emphasizing the sales it generated and advertising that you wrote it in your signature link...)

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

Now let's have a look at what you've written lately shall we? Care to share?

Uh yeah, no thanks... but thank you for the offer. I'm sure, you'd undoubtedly have very nice things to say about it

Having my name plastered on all of these critique blogs created by internet marketing failures is such a tempting proposition... but I think I'll pass for now.

[Alex Ceskavich]

You mad :-)

- Alex

[The Copy Nazi]

K. So you can dish it out - but you can't take it. Interesting. And you think all these threads are created by "internet marketing failures". OK. Well...not much more to add then is there.

Funny thing is Dude - tempted as I am to rip your stuff to shreds - I can be objective...and I could possibly help you. But there again - apparently you don't need any help. That's why you're hanging around The Warrior Forum with the rest of us internet marketing failures and blessing us with your insightful comments and rapier wit.

Interesting. (insert stupid smiley thing here - perhaps the "mooning" one)

[OnlineMasterMind]

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

K. So you can dish it out - but you can't take it. Interesting. And you think all these threads are created by "internet marketing failures". OK. Well...not much more to add then is there.

Funny thing is Dude - tempted as I am to rip your stuff to shreds - I can be objective...and I could possibly help you. But there again - apparently you don't need any help. That's why you're hanging around The Warrior Forum with the rest of us internet marketing failures and blessing us with your insightful comments and rapier wit.

Interesting. (insert stupid smiley thing here - perhaps the "mooning" one)

No.

I was referring to saltydroid type blogs and the like...

WarriorForum is awesome. Lots of talented people here...

I don't think you have the grounds to make a comment like that when you're the one drawing light to yourself...

But nice attempt to try and avoid the question:

Originally Posted by OnlineMasterMind

Then why were you so quick to claim it as yours just a couple of months ago? (including emphasizing the sales it generated and advertising that you wrote it in your signature link...)

And as far as your "update"...

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

Update: just went back and read some of your threads. "OnlineMasterMind" huh? Right. Or as you would say "interesting".

You're making me blush but what's your point? Do you want to point out something specific?

Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi

If you want to talk about - in your words - "lies" and "deceptive advertising" - I'm up for it. In fact, Mister MasterMind, I'll give you a whole lot of Skype conversations and emails and PMs I've had with high-profile clients and wannabe clients about this very subject. In fact, I'll go further...I'll share conversations I've had with copywriters on this very board on the same subject (with their names redacted of course - I'm not Murdoch).

And? Again, what's your point?

[tjcocker]

The hippie voice was too professional, radio-like, and/or salesy...

A hacking cough every now and then, and I would have bought it... well not really. I've smoked my fair share, but this BS can be sniffed out a mile away.

[OnlineMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Pete Walker

You're just being argumentative. Pack it in or take it to pm.

Hey Pete,

I don't understand why you'd post something like that 5 hours later when we've stopped talking... but thank you for sharing your perception with us.

With that said, I think your tone is inappropriate and I disagree with your assessment.... as I'm simply sharing my opinion.

Maybe you're right. But I think that's a decision for the mods to make... not you.

I hope you have a great weekend.

[schttrj]

Don't know...I didn't even had the patience to read the copy as a reader. I only read excerpts here and there, saw the screen shots and all I can say, it "seems" TOO GENERIC!

...just like any other money making online product sales page!

Personally unless I know the guy in person, I won't have buy from him. This just looks like a sales page put up on the street to make money for him. No value for the buyers!

[schttrj]

Originally Posted by RickDuris

I'm not saying it's true. I'm not saying it's not. I'm not even saying it will sell.

Chronic Comissions

But you gotta give the guys points for creativity.

And the premise? You gotta admit, it's pretty strong.

My opinion? They missed the market. I mean really who listens to a burnt out hippie beach bum from the sixties? Someone no one's even heard of.

Answer: Karma-caring hippie chick girls. Not many of them in IM. And if there are? They're broke.

Think about it this way: Let's just say for the sake of example, that this man was 20 years old when he was at Woodstock. Woodstock was in 1969. That would make this guy over sixty years old.

But we'll see. Everything's a test.

- Rick Duris

By the way, please don't mind my saying this...

Your Copy-ranger website rather looks unconvincing...and the voice in your audio is weak and dissatisfying.

You should make it even better if that is your source of referrals.

[Mark Andrews]

Originally Posted by schttrj

Your Copy-ranger website rather looks unconvincing...and the voice in your audio is weak and dissatisfying.

You should...

If Ricks is unconvincing what about your websites?

http://www.copy-e-writing(dot)in/ and the other one just below your username?

Error free? You might want to look at your websites again. Not to mention your powers of persuasion.

Just saying.

[schttrj]

Originally Posted by Pete Walker

If Ricks is unconvincing what about your website?

http://www.copy-e-writing(dot)in/

Error free? You might want to look at your site again.

Just saying.

Thanks for pointing that out. But yes, I agree with you. It's not yet perfectly developed as of yet.

But as I said, we are NOT kids. I will say, you wear an old nerdy shirt. You will say, look at your shirt. You are wearing it for a whole week. Get over it, buddy!

I have people criticizing my site, recommending new ways of monetizing it, what to do and what NOT to do...and I really appreciate this.

Just for a start, do you think I will gain if Rick improves his site?! Pete, think before you speak.

[Mark Andrews]

Originally Posted by schttrj

Pete, think before you speak.

I did, I went over both of your sites twice with a fine toothcomb.

Criticising Rick? Pot, kettle, black.

There's a saying...

"Take the rafter out of your own eye before looking for a splinter in someone else's eye."

[The Copy Nazi]

Originally Posted by Pete Walker

I did, I went over both of your sites twice with a fine toothcomb.

Criticising Rick? Pot, kettle, black.

There's a saying...

"Take the rafter out of your own eye before looking for a splinter in someone else's eye."

I opted in just to get my hands on his ebook "How to Copywrite Right" so I can learn to write headlines like this doozy -

Attention, all "hungry" internet marketers:
Are You Ready To Hear The TRUTH Yet Again?!

Words SELL for GOLD!
It doesn't take a genius to know that Copywriting is THAT Secret to Online Marketing Success, and who makes it possible? Your Beloved Copywriter!

Remember campers - The E stands for Extra - Engaging, Error-Free & Effective...

[Mark Andrews]

Don't start me off you.