Copywriting at No Charge - THIS Time :)

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My first freelance writing project happened by accident - I had a dream and I went to 'Rent a Ghost Writer'. My bid won a project to write a concept album for a band.

I had fun doing that, but I did not realize you could actually feed yourself by writing for a while longer.

I have been supporting myself through freelance writing full time for almost exactly one year now. I am deeply grateful to be able to do this, but I would like something more exciting.

I want a challenge. I need a first project and I am not going to ask to be paid for this first project. I want to see how well I do since this will be my first time.

I'm willing to consider anything so if you have a copywriting project you're willing to let me have a shot at, I would appreciate the chance to prove what I believe about myself, my creativity and my ability to communicate.

Thank you,

Wolf

PS - Thanks to feedback since I posted, I want to be clear that I am looking for copywriting as defined here on this forum in a sticky post as "the writing of sales copy that gets people to take action (i.e. opt-in, buy, call your office, etc.)" I would post a link to this thread, but I do not have the post count to do that yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Americano
    Hello.
    I have a project for you, if you want.
    Do you do one article, or more?
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  • Profile picture of the author mllnsgrl
    I definitely have articles/reviews that need to be written, and need your help. When can you get started ?

    I"ll email you the topics..

    thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author MisterWolf
    I want to clarify on what I meant by my use of the term 'copywriting'.

    I have been doing article writing for a year now along with also copy for websites and similar written content. I'm not looking for that right now as my destination is sales copy.

    The people I idolize are the ones that get ME fascinated: Frank Kern, Harlan Kilstein, Eban Pagan, Travis Sago. The guys that make me click and *have* to know more.

    That's where I want to be and the type of writing I am looking to do - I want to get a *response* from the reader with my writing.

    I hope this clarifies things

    Thank you!

    PS - To mllnsgrl & Americano and all those who have sent me PM's, I appreciate your offers and I'll consider everything as promised, but so far it seems to be articles that most of you guys are after right now. I appreciate that, but I would like to go more in the sales copy / direct response marketing direction.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
      Originally Posted by MisterWolf View Post

      I want to clarify on what I meant by my use of the term 'copywriting'.

      I have been doing article writing for a year now along with also copy for websites and similar written content. I'm not looking for that right now as my destination is sales copy.
      For the record... THIS is why the "elitists" on
      this forum harp relentlessly about the distinction
      between content writing and direct response copywriting.

      In the absence of such a clear distinction, we wind up
      with muddy conversations, misinterpreted requests,
      irrelevant offers and so on.

      I've NEVER looked down my nose at those who
      write articles and content - and I'd love it if we
      had a dedicated subform to discuss that here.

      But we don't.

      And so we harp.

      Brian "Snooty" McLeod
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

        For the record... THIS is why the "elitists" on
        this forum harp relentlessly about the distinction
        between content writing and direct response copywriting.

        In the absence of such a clear distinction, we wind up
        with muddy conversations, misinterpreted requests,
        irrelevant offers and so on.

        I've NEVER looked down my nose at those who
        write articles and content - and I'd love it if we
        had a dedicated subform to discuss that here.

        But we don't.

        And so we harp.

        Brian "Snooty" McLeod
        Thank you Brian...

        Here's the thing with me. I'm primarily a content writer who actually does well with copywriting. I almost feel like the old general practice doctor who could do surgery, take care of your eyes, your feet, your nose, etc. I apply the same principle to writing. My opinion is, a competent writer should be able to do a decent job with any writing assignment. And even though I'd love to chit chat about content writing, this ain't the place for it. But enough about that.

        Lately this board has become a swap meet. There's a little of this and a little of that and almost nothing about copywriting. Even though I consider myself more of a content writer, I want to have respect for the community here and stay on topic.

        That's why it's disturbing to see seasoned members that want to stray from the rules and make this forum a free for all. And... they seem to like to talk down to folks who do want to stay on topic. And that topic is copywriting.

        I look at the main board and notice that off-topic stuff has a very short shelf life. It gets moved or deleted very fast. And I feel that if this board is to ever thrive, we need to do the same. In the past I may have seemed to come across as a bit harsh with OT posts, but that's because I personally get tired of all the totally irrelevant stuff showing up here lately. And another thing I've noticed as well is, the experienced writers with excellent insight to the craft seem to be staying away...

        Okay, I've vented and feel a little better...
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        • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
          This sounds interesting.

          I have a copywriting project I would like done for a blog.

          Content for my contribute, sign up as a contributor and submit content page. (Write for Us Page).

          Would you be interested in that task?

          I'll provide a testimonial also as I know that it helps to have geniune testimonials to go alongside your profile.
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  • Profile picture of the author MouseandMice
    Hey bro,

    I would warn you that article writing, etc. is NOTHING like copywriting-- at all.

    You might want to read up on copywriting, etc before you take on clients, paid or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    Sounds to me like he knows the difference, which is why he's offering his service for free -- to see if he can do it.

    Doesn't seem that difficult to understand.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
      Originally Posted by Rezbi View Post

      Sounds to me like he knows the difference, which is why he's offering his service for free -- to see if he can do it.

      Doesn't seem that difficult to understand.
      Yes, the OP does, but look at the response he got...

      That was my point, not that HE didn't understand,
      but that the responses he got were not what he was
      looking for.

      Brian
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      • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
        Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

        Yes, the OP does, but look at the response he got...

        That was my point, not that HE didn't understand,
        but that the responses he got were not what he was
        looking for.

        Brian
        I know what YOU meant.

        The responses were off as they obviously didn't seem to understand the OP.

        Maybe that's because his post sounded different to what I read. Apparently he did change it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zentech
    I think what Wolf is looking for is pure sales writing - ie copywriting rather than content writing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      Originally Posted by Zentech View Post

      I think what Wolf is looking for is pure sales writing - ie copywriting rather than content writing.
      Yes copywriting is still content no matter what and in this context content refers to "copywriting" content.
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  • Profile picture of the author MisterWolf
    Thanks to those of you who have spoken up about the important distinction between copywriting as defined in the sticky thread in this forum versus article writing.

    I've altered my original post to try and clarify since I know a lot of people may not want to scroll through all of the replies here.

    I appreciate it!
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  • Profile picture of the author MouseandMice
    I still think you should study up on copywriting before you actually do it... Free or not, you will do nothing for your name if your copy bombs miserably (which, frankly, there is a 99.99% chance it will)...
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
      Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

      Writing copy is a dark, mysterious skill that only the elect can fathom.

      Yeah, right.
      No need to be caustic.

      M&M is just saying that writing copy is a different skill set to writing content... and you need to study it before you do it.

      I don't think writing a crappy piece for free will hurt his reputation, but it won't help it, either.

      All we're saying is study the subject before you start writing. What's wrong with that?

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    • Profile picture of the author MouseandMice
      Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

      Writing copy is a dark, mysterious skill that only the elect can fathom.

      Yeah, right.
      You're right... My apologies!

      If someone is good at writing articles, they will be good at convincing people to part with their money. That is why English teachers make such perfect car salesmen. How insane of me to suggest differently.

      Understanding human psychology and basic writing skills are pretty much the same thing.

      Good thing you cleared it up for me!

      Fun fact- Just because you can write doesn't mean you can sell. In the same way that just because you can speak doesn't mean you can sell.

      Whether he charges nothing for the copy or not, the site owner will spend money on advertising, the design, the product, and equally or more importantly, spend time. If there are no sales, that is a bad review.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    Wolf, I have a suggestion for you.

    If you want to practice copywriting an excellent way you can test yourself out is to go to ClickBank and find a product with a sales letter you feel you could improve on.

    Write up your copy and then format it as an html page. You can grab a free minisite template here to present your copy: MiniSiteGallery.com Free Mini-Site Templates & Design

    On the "Add To Cart" button you can then direct link to the ClickBank checkout using your own afffiliate ID - like this: ClickBank Affiliate Tip: Direct Link To Checkout

    Then you can send some traffic to both the main sales page and your own sales page and see which one converts best for you. You can keep tweaking and testing your own copy until you find your own unique way of generating sales.

    Regarding traffic generation methods, just have a quick search around this forum (particularly the war room) and you'll get a tonne of ideas.

    If you use this approach to test your skills you'll have rock solid stats to measure your performance and you'll get paid along the way.

    I hope that helps and good luck with your learning process.
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  • Profile picture of the author MisterWolf
    Kezz, I seriously owe you for that advice! I have been wondering if that was even possible, but I hadn't uncovered anything about trying our own sales copy.

    I am beyond grateful for your tips (especially since you included the links to more info) thank you SO much!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    You're totally welcome Wolf. If you have a natural flair for writing I'm sure you're going to have a blast.

    By the way you can also get NVU / Kompozer to edit the minisite. It's free and easy to use.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    Originally Posted by MisterWolf View Post

    My first freelance writing project happened by accident - I had a dream and I went to 'Rent a Ghost Writer'. My bid won a project to write a concept album for a band.

    I had fun doing that, but I did not realize you could actually feed yourself by writing for a while longer.

    I have been supporting myself through freelance writing full time for almost exactly one year now. I am deeply grateful to be able to do this, but I would like something more exciting.

    I want a challenge. I need a first project and I am not going to ask to be paid for this first project. I want to see how well I do since this will be my first time.

    I'm willing to consider anything so if you have a copywriting project you're willing to let me have a shot at, I would appreciate the chance to prove what I believe about myself, my creativity and my ability to communicate.

    Thank you,

    Wolf

    PS - Thanks to feedback since I posted, I want to be clear that I am looking for copywriting as defined here on this forum in a sticky post as "the writing of sales copy that gets people to take action (i.e. opt-in, buy, call your office, etc.)" I would post a link to this thread, but I do not have the post count to do that yet.
    Let me give you a piece of business advice, creepy picture with your shirt off is not going to help sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Harvey
    Well not having seen the first original post as it was originally written, I read through it now and then read some people's replies that mistakenly assumed that MisterWolf was offering his 'content writing' services. Well I definitely did not make that mistake when I read through his offer and I am surprised that people are so quick to jump on him to write articles.

    This is a copywriting forum last I checked. Sure article writing may form a part of it, but pure copy will either be in the form of a Sales Letter, Direct Marketing Response Letters and other marketing communications media.

    I don't look down on article writers, because I write myself. But there is a distinct difference between a writer and a copywriter. A copywriter is there to promote a person, idea or opinion and it can be in any form, but it won't be a simple article.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hans Klein
    I disagree with the notion that article writing and copywriting are two different things.

    I think a more clear way of putting this is SEO article writing and copywriting are two different things. That is, writing that is not meant for human consumption. It's just for the search engines.

    Because articles, reports, and so can be vital ingredients to complement your salesletter or sales page. This is because QUALITY content does 3 things:

    1. It builds relationships
    2. It captures attention
    3. It educates

    In other words, it presells. So, when you finally do send the sales pitch... response goes way up. In addition, this content may have a lot of the same ingredients as a direct-response pitch...

    You've got to capture attention, keep attention, build credibility, simplify the complicated, and you MAY even have a call-to-action to get more information. So, when you have a content writer who gets direct-response... these are pretty darn valuable folks.

    With this said, I am not sure anybody is disagreeing with this. I just think folks are missing the distinction between SEO article writing and real, quality content.
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    • Profile picture of the author MouseandMice
      Originally Posted by Hans Klein View Post

      I disagree with the notion that article writing and copywriting are two different things.

      I think a more clear way of putting this is SEO article writing and copywriting are two different things. That is, writing that is not meant for human consumption. It's just for the search engines.

      Because articles, reports, and so can be vital ingredients to complement your salesletter or sales page. This is because QUALITY content does 3 things:

      1. It builds relationships
      2. It captures attention
      3. It educates

      In other words, it presells. So, when you finally do send the sales pitch... response goes way up. In addition, this content may have a lot of the same ingredients as a direct-response pitch...

      You've got to capture attention, keep attention, build credibility, simplify the complicated, and you MAY even have a call-to-action to get more information. So, when you have a content writer who gets direct-response... these are pretty darn valuable folks.

      With this said, I am not sure anybody is disagreeing with this. I just think folks are missing the distinction between SEO article writing and real, quality content.
      Hans,

      I meant that copywriting is a totally different beast than ANY sort of other writing.

      Copywriting is SALES in written form-- pure and simple. Saying they are the same is like saying that an English teacher is an amazing car salesmen. Nope.

      Article writing does not look for a response, copywriting does.
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  • Profile picture of the author eugenedm
    Hey, I have exactly what you're looking for.
    I'm going to start a big project very soon on: MAD AFFILIATES
    Also I have a lot of other projects hat I can use copy writing. We can collaborate.

    Eventually if things go well I would even partner with a copy writer because it's the most important part in creating a product.

    I know that you are still learning, but I definitely can run the test and see what happens because I have a lot of products starting up.
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  • Profile picture of the author MisterWolf
    First, I want to thank everyone on this forum who has been MORE than generous towards me with their time, insight, information & concern - I am deeply grateful that you guys have absolutely lived up to the reputation you have here. So thank you very much, I sincerely appreciate it!

    Second, I realize I should have set a time limit on this 'offer' so I am doing that now. Within 24 hours I will pick some to work with. There are far too many good choices so it will be roulette for me. I may end up doing more than one project simply because SEVERAL of you who contacted me are jaw-droppingly skilled at what you do!

    Thanks again, guys, I've been here only a handful of days and I'm learning more than I have in months on similar forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author MisterWolf
    I realized I should probably point out that I actually can't respond to any of my PM's until I've posted 50 posts. I didn't catch that little note the first time through...

    I feel much newer now. If you have sent me any sort of offer, I will respond to you. I simply need to make more posts first and I am trying to find a way to do this while contributing something of value instead of merely for post count's sake.
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  • Profile picture of the author royrev
    Hey Wolf

    I wish you all the best with you future in copying writing, and if you are interested I do need a sale page for my new social community site to get my free members to upgrade to monthly paid memberships. PM me
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  • Profile picture of the author abhinav
    Can you PM me your contact details, I have one project to get started with.
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  • Profile picture of the author perfumer
    This looks interesting!

    I have a copy writing project for a book sales page
    and this is an Alternative Medicine related book.

    Would you be interested in this project?
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