New to copywriting, help please

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hey guys im looking to get into copywriting, i got some books by dan kennedy on the subject, but i dont know exactly where to start.
how do i market myself once i understand how to copywrite?
are there things i can do to make my copywriting more practical?
can someone give me a run down of the basics i should know?
i would really appreciate it guys thanks alot
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  • Profile picture of the author NickN
    The Well-Fed Writer by Peter Bowerman is a great resource for new copywriters. It tells you how to find business, market yourself, the best ways to contact your market, and tons of other stuff. It's the book that made me think copywriting is a feasible career path.

    I would also recommend Bob Bly's Secrets of a Freelance Writer. It tells you all of the basics about starting a freelance writing business.

    As for actually improving your copywriting, there is a thread stickied at the top of this board that lists some of the best copywriting books ever. That's a good place to start. Before you even think of marketing yourself as a copywriter, you should read most of the books on that list.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Originally Posted by blaze24240 View Post

    hey guys im looking to get into copywriting, i got some books by dan kennedy on the subject, but i dont know exactly where to start.
    how do i market myself once i understand how to copywrite?
    are there things i can do to make my copywriting more practical?
    can someone give me a run down of the basics i should know?
    i would really appreciate it guys thanks alot
    Yeah...a lot of guys are looking to "get into copywriting".

    F*ck Dan Kennedy. Funny the way people think he's the King of copywriting.

    Discuss.

    BTW I'll help you if you're serious.
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    • Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      Yeah...a lot of guys are looking to "get into copywriting".

      F*ck Dan Kennedy. Funny the way people think he's the King of copywriting.

      Discuss.

      BTW I'll help you if you're serious.
      In days long gone by, I bought most of Kennedy’s copywriting courses.

      And I learned a lot – and went off and became a copywriter.

      Strangest thing is - I never liked his style of copywriting.

      At the time I was a “starving crowd” – and was buying all the big "name" courses - but in Kennedy's case - I just skimmed the copy – it was so badly formatted I couldn’t read it anyway - and hit the buy button.


      btw - the copywriting formula in his book “ The Ultimate Sales letter” is good and very workable.

      Also Frank Kern says he attributes virtually everything he learned to Dan Kennedy.

      I guess the answer is - learn from the respected guru's and then create your own unique style.
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  • Profile picture of the author Multiple Cars Guy
    There's a lot of "kings" in the copywriting world. While most are just trying to make a quick buck off of new guys, they all have at least SOMETHING to offer. I wouldn't buy the books just because I'd feel like a sucker, but I'm sure you could pick up something online.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shadowflux
      Well, my suggestion to you would be to write.

      Write A LOT

      No matter how many books you read or training courses you take, you will never develop a smooth and recognizable flow if you don't write prolifically.

      It doesn't have to be copy, you can write anything. Post on message boards, write emails, write stories, articles, anything really. The more you write, the better you'll become.

      It's like saying that you want to do character design for video games. You have to be able to draw or paint before you can move on to such a specific field.

      While there are some proven formulas for a good copy layout, the fundamental skill required to become a copy writer is to first be a good persuasive writer. You need to develop the ability to write naturally and explain your point and then prove it, beyond a doubt.

      Sometimes I like to debate religion or politics with people on other boards, it's sort of like lifting weights.

      Good luck!
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      • Shadowflux,

        Great advice.

        The secret as you said is "Just keep writing."
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Axelrod
          Hey Blaze,

          "Just keep writing" is necessary but far, far from what is sufficient to get paid for your work. You can be an amazing writer and still not have any idea how to write great sales copy if you don't take the proper training.

          Dan Kennedy is great, but I think he's better as a business mindset resource than as a copy teacher.

          Here's the road to success in 3 easy steps:

          1) Get John Carlton's "Kickass Copywriting Secrets" course
          2) Read every book he recommends in that course (there are only about 4-5 "must reads" he lists)
          3) Get John Carlton's "Freelance Course"

          If you do those three steps, your path will naturally take off if you're ready for it.

          If you're on an enormously thin budget, start by getting John Caples: "Tested Advertising Methods." It's the best paperback book on copywriting I've ever seen.

          There are other big factors involved in success, namely your wealth mindset and client-selling skills. People tend to brush over those, but they are at least as equal as important as your actual writing ability.

          If you just read "Psycho-Cybernetics" and did the exercises, that would cover your mindset. If you read "Spin-Selling Fieldbook" and did the exercises, that would take care of selling for you.

          That's all you need to get to pro-level. John Carlton will get your ass in gear if you do what he says in those courses.

          i was where you were not too long ago, and this is what got me making real money in copy.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Cummins
    Originally Posted by blaze24240 View Post

    hey guys im looking to get into copywriting, i got some books by dan kennedy on the subject, but i dont know exactly where to start.
    how do i market myself once i understand how to copywrite?
    are there things i can do to make my copywriting more practical?
    can someone give me a run down of the basics i should know?
    i would really appreciate it guys thanks alot
    While getting the right books and reading them multiple times helps in learning the basics of

    copywriting. The fastest way to become a good copywriter is to work with a coach.

    There are a number of copywriting coaches on the Warrior Forum. Here is a list of

    Copywriting Coaches that currently offer their services here on WF. I have purchased

    products and/or have worked with all of these coaches. They are all great copywriters and

    more importantly, great coaches.

    Mike Humphreys
    Paul Hancox
    Paul Hooper-Kelly
    Raydal Edwards


    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author LaunchBrain.com
    Small tip, add all the great copywriters on facebook, they are very approachable and often give out great advice. I've been back and forth with Drayton Bird, John Carlton and a few other numerous times.

    Go on my facebook, if you want their contacts details.
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  • Profile picture of the author Len Bailey
    Originally Posted by blaze24240 View Post

    hey guys im looking to get into copywriting, i got some books by dan kennedy on the subject, but i dont know exactly where to start.
    how do i market myself once i understand how to copywrite?
    are there things i can do to make my copywriting more practical?
    can someone give me a run down of the basics i should know?
    i would really appreciate it guys thanks alot
    Where to Start
    This may sound dumb, but start by reading the books you've already bought. (It's amazing how many people don't.) But don't stop there. Also read the classics -- as in anything you can get your hands on by David Ogilvy, Victor Schwab, Claude C. Hopkins, Eugene Schwartz, and John Caples.

    Peter Bowerman's book is good also (it's what first turned me on to copywriting), but it's far from all-inclusive. Instead, I strongly recommend The Copywriter's Handbook by Bob Bly. Or anything else Bob has written for that matter.

    Also, be sure to sign up for Bob's free ezine at Copywriter - Bob Bly - Copywriting Services. It's one of just two or three ezines I read the minute it higs my inbox. And while you're at it, head over to MakepeaceTotalPackage.com and read everything in the archives. Clayton Makepeace has essentially retired from writing new articles, but what's already there is 100% pure marketing gold.

    Marketing Yourself
    Once you have the nuts and bolts of copywriting down, marketing yourself is actually very easy. Just treat yourself as your first client, and write accordingly. If you need portfolio samples, approach local businesses or simply create mock pieces. Even ads and letter selling products that don't exist will showcase your ability.

    Then contact the creative/marketing departments of the companies you'd like to work with.

    One of the things I love most about copywriting is that it doesn't matter if you have a college degree or dropped out of school in the fourth grade. Clients don't care if you're white, black, or green with yellow polka dots. They don't care if you're a man or woman. They don't care where you live. All they care about is how good your copy is.

    And don't overlook the power of networking. LinkedIn has plenty of groups for copywriters and marketers. So jump in and contribute to the conversations -- there's a good chance you'll get noticed.

    Copywriting Basics
    Here are a few basics of copywriting to remember:
    • The most important component of any promotion is the offer. The best copy in the world can't save a bad offer.
    • After the offer, your headline is most important. And it has one purpose only: Grab your prospect by the eyeballs and get him/her to start reading the rest of your copy.
    • Specifics sell. Don't just say it's made of wood -- say what type of wood... describe how beautiful the craftsmanship is... and how wonderful it feels to the touch.
    • Don't just list features. Describe the benefits they bring to your prospect -- and then connect those benefits to the applicable emotions in your prospect.
    • Make use of white space. Nothing tires the eye more than a massive block of copy, so make it easy for your prospect to read what you've written.
    • Don't write AT your prospect. Have a conversation with him/her, where you talk about a problem he/she is having and help them solve it.
    • Don't get too formal. You're not writing a college paper. So write like you speak. Better yet, write like your prospect speaks.
    • Use bullets, illustrations, and sidebars to break up your copy and illustrate your points.
    • Keep your paragraphs short and fast-moving. Especially as you approach the end, where you make your offer.
    • Make it easy for your prospect to order.
    • Never fake testimonials. (Prospects can tell.)
    • Never, ever lie to your prospects and prove every claim. Once you lose credibility, that's it.
    • Create a "swipe file" of successful promotions. Study them to figure out why they worked -- and to get ideas for your own promotions.
    • Don't write in a vacuum. Connect with another copywriter -- or several -- and critique each other's copy. You'll all benefit.

    Hope this helps!
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