tommyp

Well, that, coming from someone with two posts will make that someone seem suspect to most people.

But besides that the main issue here is not even really whether or not the Adwords Code is good or bad.

The real issue partly that affiliates aren't getting paid and primarily that people who want a refund aren't getting one.

adrian-adrian

1) YES I'm new to this forum I'm not hiding this.

2) When purchasing the adwords code, I first signed up as affiliate...and guess what, I got the commission on my personal sale...

3) and in addition 2 great bonuses, about articles traffic and forums traffic...

4) About the refunds issue, I have no idea i didn't ask for one.

This just strengthen my opinion that this criticism is just for the sake of saying bad things about Michael Jones and the adwords code...

Again, from my personal experience, the adwords code is the ONLY adwords course that is bringing me REAL results and profits...

Adrian

tommyp

You couldn't even if you wanted to. Your post count and join date don't lie.

Good for you. Mine is 5 weeks late and the only way I could get a hold of someone at the help desk was to pretend to need something else. And now they are ignoring again. I won't promote him anymore, but since I did make sales when I did I want my commissions paid.

You're making that a whole 3rd point? It seems tacky. Just throw that right in there. I get it though, you really endorse it.

Yea, of course you didn't. It's obvious you love it and that's fine for you. But then if you don't know you can't say you think other people are just saying things for the sake of saying bad things.

At least most people here aren't saying bad things for the sake of saying them. That's ignorant to say that because you claim to have had a good experience that others must be lying - There aren't a whole lot of "probablies" in this thread.

People are making actual claims. It's not conjecture to say "I'm not getting paid" "I'm being ignored at the help desk" "They will not give me a refund" "I've returned the course and they won't give me my money back" etc.

You should have emphasized "personal" instead of "experience"

Your position is weak. Your experience is your experience. It means nothing to someone who is out $2000.

Ann Bedwell

Yes, for those who may not know, ( you all probably do though) the sense of urgency, or the take away is a classic sales technique used everyday in every sales transaction. I was taught that and much more thru heavy duty sales training. Please post your findings when the time comes to sign up. I would like to know if in fact there are enough spots or is that really a 500 spot only situation.
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tommyp

Yea, the way he speaks and everything is pure conman (confidence man) talk. That's okay I guess. It's just marketing as long as what's promised is delivered. But according to most of what I've read the info is basic. It's taking basic info and putting it into a physical package, bump up the perceived value by putting a high price tag on it. It gets people's hopes up and lets them down.

To me that's not even the real problem, though. Fine, you don't like it return it get a refund if you are within your 30 day money back guarantee period you agreed. You can't please everyone.

But, I see too many people complaining about not getting refunds after having returned the product within the 30 day period. Also, affiliates should get paid because in his buyer's agreement it says something like "if you are late requesting your refund you might only get half back because affiliates have been paid" so affiliates should still get their commissions plus they are saying people can still get a partial refund up to a point.

And that adrian-adrian character sounds like a shill to me. If they aren't, then they are very naive. My better judgment won't let me believe this person for a moment.

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To answer your question: NO - the 500 spot limit was a lie. He's done 500 only limited runs at least 3 times.

adrian-adrian

The adwords code is a great course, I make money out of it and it is worth to me every cent of investment!!!

I'm not a newbie in this game and still I got a lot out of the course...

If you have a problem with your commission, send an email directly to Michael, tell him about your problem and I'm sure he'll help solve this issue ASAP. He is very responsive and friendly guy (again from personal experience)...

Try it my friend and you'll be surprised!

and NO I'm not a shill, I just don't think he is a monster and i bet there are a lot of happy customers out there..

God bless you all

Adrian

Gary Harrell

I downloaded the free copy of PPCWebSpy and it seems to be doing what it says it is supposed to do. It lets you find out what the competition is using for their keywords.

Gary

kumisi69

yes when it comes to buying high end products it can be so hard, there suppose to be all that and the best info, you never herd about this info before and some of the promises that come with them sound brillant but at the end of the day you pay in excess off $2000 dollars and just get rehashed crap that and a few tit bit. As you might know by the way i'm talking i got sucked into one of these deals and i really couldn't afford it one bit but it promised the world of traffic and i thought i would be made but when i got it most of the stuff that was in it i had already herd about, but i didn't want to be a cheap skate and ask for my money back, i wished i had now, thats not to say some of these high end good are not great.

ElliotK

just my opinion, but I like Michael Jones products and AdWords Manifesto is very affordable. I think he really does what he teaches rather than just telling u "how to" do it. like anything, it's up to the user to implement. if you do Adwords, he provides lots of content and good SpyFu training. can't fault him for "selling" his stuff...we all see some pretty hard sell pitches from many (well known) product creators, and Michael is just straightforward.

personally, I have emailed him directly when necessary at his gmail account, and always get a quick personal reply from him. Tommy, did u have a bad experience with this guy? you're kind of hard on him.

anyway, my question is why do u say affiliates are not getting paid? it's a Clickbank product, so Clickbank responsible for payment. thanks.

Elliot
KingOfAdWords.com

tommyp

Affiliates not getting paid: I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ADWORDS CODE

Okay, if I can find his email I'll email him. I shouldn't have to. He has his help desk for a reason.

You've personally emailed him directly? Oh, yea? What about?

And besides, you are all distracting from the main issue of people not getting their refunds who requested within the agreed time frame and are not getting answers: not so much that I or some others haven't been paid or even whether or not the material is worth close to $2000 after shipping.

Being kind of hard? Yea, duh. Let's hear your hardships and then I'll tell you you're being kind of hard.

Seriously, you people are either super brainwashed or think that your experience and opinion negates other people's experiences or a bunch of shameless shills who will spin and detract from the crux of the matter.

I'm tired of you spin doctors with 3 posts.

And besides, how would you think that I am referring to Adwords Manifesto, which is a Clickbank product, is what I'm referring to when I say I haven't been paid considering it hasn't even been released yet or at least hasn't when I made my last couple of posts saying I haven't been paid?

Who the heck do you think you're talking to?

I know, posts from people like you are not so much targeted at the person you name but for OTHERS to see and believe your BS.

It doesn't matter that you don't convince me, you just have to convince others who read this thread.

Yea, I know the game.

Same thing is going on in the Google Shadow thread.

It doesn't really matter. Anyone who can't see through what some of you say probably deserves what they get and since people earlier in this thread have not been replying for whatever reason why should I. I'm not the one not getting my $1500 plus shipping back after having returned the product and not getting answers.

I won't continue to add to this thread. So you can reply in vain cause I won't see it. But like I said it doesn't matter, posts like yours are so that other people can see them.

I'm tired of sticking up for people. It's your problem.

Hey, if any of you are shills tell Michael Jones that he should give me your job. I'd be better at it than you are. I would have to get paid of course.

And if you're not shills, you aren't doing Michael Jones any favors with your backwards talk. Not as far as the people who actually have some common sense are concerned.

It would be easier to visit your link if it were clickable. You're losing sales that way.

I know I've got a big mouth. But it will end soon. I apologize to everyone I've pissed off because you can't see the forest for the trees. No worries.

Bye bye.

ben565

Well i sent an email to michael jones 4 WEEKS AGO asking why i have still not received my refund from over 2 months ago and still no response!!

Unless you are kssing his ass he will just ignore you.

WHAT AN ASSHOLE!!

ElliotK

hey, Tommy,

I wasn't trying to sell anything, that's why the link wasn't hot, just trying to voice my opinion. one thing I agree with that you said, "...you've got a big mouth". maybe that's why you don't get the responses you would like, you don't know how to talk to people unless it is putting everyone else down. so it's clear who the ass is here.

I'm not anyone's "shill", and it is rare that I get behind anything, unless I strongly believe in the product. I've been in business for myself for 35 years, and an internet entrepreneur since 1995. the number of my posts here in irrelevant. you're only reinforcing what you said: you have a big mouth so maybe that's why you post a lot. you ask, "who the heck are you anyway". well, who the heck are you? are you a self-made internet muti-millionaire?

anyway, the good news is you won't be replying to this thread anymore. good luck to you.

Elliot
KingOfAdwords.com

pixguy

theadwordscode
theadwordsmanifesto.com Michael Jones

Take a poll guys...
Go here if you have or have not got a refund from Michael Jones on any of his products.
CLICK HERE To VOTE

ok,
Tommy, GREAT post.
Here are the facts guys...

1. The adwords code for MOST people was an overpriced DUD product.

2. A few people thought it was good ( Probably adwords newbies )

3. After asking for a refund people did not receive the refund.

4. If they did receive a refund it was only after sending multiple emails and hassling the support ticket platform until they responded.
( C'mon why should it be this hard Michael Marzan..umm Jones or whatever the hell your name is )

5. I or anyone else couldn't give a Crap if its a good course or not,
that's a matter of opinion and goes by 1 on 1 reviews, but isn't
it great when MOST people review a product and MOST come to the conclusion it is ****, so then we can make an educated decision.

6. He really pissed people off with his 500 ONLY pitch and then
plugged it 4 times again and again and again, even after the sold out button came up.

7. Heres a thought Michael and maybe I can teach you something called customer satisfaction and the guarantee on your site that we know now means jack ****.
are you ready Mr Marzan ( Jones ) .... here it comes..
A. People buy with a money back no question asked Guarantee.
B. They are happy they keep it.
c. They want a refund. THEN GIVE IT TO THEM MICHAEL, DUH!!!

This whole thread was started by someone asking for a review, OK.. it was reviewed by everyone here.
Great, But then it turned bad when Michael did not give refunds...and left people begging...
and that folks is what this thread is about now.

Take a poll guys...
Go here if you have or have not got a refund from Michael Jones on any of his products.
CLICK HERE TO VOTE

nidjo

Hi guys I've already posted some of my experiances with "Michael Jones" but here it is step by step, you be the judge!

9/30/2008 bought The Adwords Code, paid through Paypal
10/2/2008 product shipped by UPS, got my tracking code
10/7/2008 finally received it

spent the next 10 days watching the videos, learned nothing new, concluded not worth $1500

10/21/2008 asked for a refund
10/22/2008 received the message from their support asking me to file refund request with them and wait for 30 days - did that immediately
10/23/2008 was asked to send the package back to Israel (package is by the way 1 cd, not DVD)
10/23/2008 sent the package back by Fedex just be sure and so I can track it, didn't want it to get "lost" / cost $80
11/3/2008 package was delivered by Fedex, received the conformation, asked the support what is the status of my refund
11/5/2008 received the message from support, message was "Thank you", nothing else, I suppose they are thanking me for my money foolishly wasted
11/10/2008 asked again about the status of my refund
11/12/2008 received message from support "Dear,
We don't control the refund, but the fulfillment company.
I understand your urgency, but it takes up to 30 days.
I'll check with them if they can do it earlier.
Kind Regards,
Rachel"
11/24/2008 again contacted support asking about my refund, it has now been 21 days since they received the return package and over a month since my initial refund request
11/27/2008 received the message from support "Will will get back to you!"
12/02/2008 again contacted support about my refund
12/02/2008 again received "Thank you!" from support, nothing else, no explanation, no apology, NO MONEY
12/09/2008 my last message to Michael Jones support informing them I'll ask Paypal to refund me, contacting Paypal
12/14/2008 Paypal thanks me for opening a claim and advising me to "first open a dispute to try to resolve the situation where you have paid and not received the promised goods!"
I inform them I have allready tried to do that but to no use!
12/16/2008 Paypal informs me that I am to late, I should have asked for my refund through Paypal within 45 days from the purchase - US$1674 down the drain.

As I said, judge for yourself and decide whether you will buy something from "Michael Jones", Ron something and company or not!

BTW, I have complete correspondence with them saved so if anyone wants it, pm me and I'll send it to you!

jimsomchai

Nidjo,

I am sorry that you could not get your refund as you wish.

That can happen online so we all need to be careful.

Especially, for the high price item.

I can not say much but wish someone who personally knows Michael Jones tell him about this thread.

It would be good for him to resolve the problem and save his image for the long run.

That is just my wish.

Jim

WilliamM

I purchased Adwords Manifesto and was very disappointed. Here is why.

One, it was nothing that Michael Jones claimed it would be. Two, the content is basic knowledge that anyone who has been doing Adwords for a few months should know. Three, it was packed with huge images, each one taking up nearly an entire page. Four, the text is often written in very generic terms without real solid content. In other words, it is a bunch of fluff.

pixguy

Hmmm, Thanks for the review William.
Seems like the same experience the adwords code people had, except they paid $1500 U.S for the privelege. At least you know Clickbank
will give you a refund.

joe0074

I'm wondering if there is anything we can do to punish this guy who ripped people off.

Ronbra

thanks for the info

ElliotK

I believe all product sellers should be reponsible to their customers and maintain a high level of integrity, not only towards the customer, that goes without saying, but also to the affiliates who, in effect, endorse their products to a list with whom they have a relationship. Bad service not only creates unnecessary ill-will, as we see in this thread, but affects the affiliate's ability to promote and maintain credibility in the future. That's not cool.

One can differ in opinion on the quality of the content, depending on one's level of knowledge, experience and successes, but without good customer service, social proof is a bust. Use a network, such as Clickbank and others, to buy and sell these products. The only time I break this rule myself is for gambling links, which are off-shore, and they FedEx me checks. If they screw me, I take down the links, they lose the business. Nobody wins when you screw people.

Here is Michael Jones email, to which I have always received a direct personal reply from HIM. If he honestly and sincerely owes someone a refund, chase him down here: mj6355 [at] gmail.com.

Elliot
KingOfAdwords.com

nidjo

What I did after I got ripped of by "Adwords Code" and "Michael Jones" aka Ron and company is I unsubscribed and blocked any e-mail, newsletter and such coming from people who advertised them.

Now about two months latter I believe this to be one of the best things I did, "gurus" who affiliated with "Adwords Code" usually sell c..., be it their own or someone elses.

tommyp

He already is. Not by me, mind you, but I noticed that he is being "punished". I guess someone he pissed off did something about it.

pixguy

I can't believe it,
Mr Marzin, jones, roy... oh whatever the hell is his name is...
Is pushing adwords code again...

Just got an email...


" for the first time ever, I've put together a video which
shows exactly how I do both of those things...to such an
effect that I make thousands of bucks every day...check it
out below: xxxxxxxxxxxx"


You better get in now folks and pay your $1500 now... because its only limited to 500 people..
Until next month when it may be available to another 500 people... but that is it ok he is serious..
He probably will cut it off after those second 500 only..so get it now before you miss out...

Oh until the next month where he will release ONLY 500 for the 3rd time or is it the 9th time?...
but that really is the finish of it then...it is strictly limited ok...

Oh ok, he may open it again to another 500 people the month after that....
But you better get in quick.. cause supply is strictly limited.

BigG95

You guys just saved my butt again preventing me from buying into the Adwords Manifesto

pixguy

Hey Big G,
The adwords manifesto is a scaled down version of adwords code I believe.
Is it good, Don't know.
Also, it is through clickbank so you can get you money back if it's BS.

However, I wouldn't buy it myself as I don't agree with Mr Jones' business practices and the fact that people did not get refunds and had to jump through hoops.
It a matter of principle really.

davesh

Hi everyone,

Is it 100% truth about what is discussed in this forum..

than how is Michael Jones is able to sell his high ticket product ???? Just enthusiast to know more !!!!

warrior 2009

havent tried but i am looking into it and doing more research thas for sure..

Nothing_is_Free

Very interesting... just saw a craigslist prompt today for the 'clickbank code' deal (shown below) - I wonder if alias michael jones expects this warrior forum to appear 4th on the first page when you google his name followed by clickbank (which I generally always do before buying anything):

From a Craigslist post:

"Please take the time to check all what you can make of Clickbank (You'll thank me later) htp://joaquino.thecbcode.hop.clickbank.net"

That link actually takes you to something like 'the-cb-code.com' and that slick flash movie showing all the $$$ being made so fast. The movie shows the url to be theclickbankcode.com contrary to either of the addresses above... anyway, here we are, the beast appears to be constantly changing!

Gasen

I got a JV invite email and after checking out the fancy vid on the home page decided to google "name" clickbank. A refund poll appeared #2 on google. That led me hear.

Glad I did some research.

Cathy Shelver

WTF Please i have not purchased a programme as yet that over delivers or at least delivers what it says any ideas as to where i can find such a program ... i am about to be bannned by clickbank for all my refunds but geez someone please sell something honest and good

Reuven

Glad I found this thread today. I'm sure I saved a bunch of money and aggravation. I just got a email about his new Clickbank Code which sounds great but now I know better than to trust anything he says. I can't imagine him suddenly coming out with a breakthrough product if his earlier ones were not good.

jimsomchai

I thought this thread was already over. LOL....

I saw the guy's new launch from the link in this thread and went through it. Frankly, he is a very good marketer and we all should learn from him. The way he presents himself and his sale page. I might have bought some of his products, if I haven't had initiated this thread.

I have not much comment on him or his product since I didn't buy any.

I have one observation on the VDO on sale page though. He shows his significant amount of income and says that he got from selling other people's product. If that is true, it would be a tremendous success. But we all know that he has several products on Clickbank and the money are probably from selling his own products, like this Clickbank code.

I am not a fan of refunding. I have never asked for a refund from Clickbank so I am not sure if it is complicate. But if anyone wants to try the product out and is sure that Clickbank will refund the money if the product is bad. Please do so and give us some feedback.

I think all of us will love to hear that.

Cheers,

Jim

joe0074

Hi Jim,

There is already a review of "Clickbank code" on Warrior Forum.
Go check it out, man.

jimsomchai

Hi Joe,

OK. I will take a look.

Thanks,

Jim

jon2009

You guys have saved me lots of $$$ today - thanks.

banacek

Thanks everyone, especially pixguy for your original review of this product. It was really the only "real" review that I found!

thanks again...bj

bigbearmarketer

I have not purchased it but I can give everyone some free valuable content that michael jones has released from one of his courses and from what I've read most everything is the same stuff just reworked a bit.

well anyways go spyfu dot com and watch the video tutorial michael jones has on there it has great value and when it comes to adwords and PPC marketing, regardless who is teaching new techniques it always comes back to testing and research.

If you really want to know who is successful with their adwords campaigns just type in a keyword on google see who comes up in the search results and watch that keyword for about a week and if the same ads or url's are showing up for the same keywords then you know they are making money.

tommyp

Baloney. It's not always an indicator that the campaign is making money. And even if it is it doesn't mean necessarily that it will make money for -you-. There could be a lot of things going on that you don't know about. Even if you could clone the other person's campaign when it comes down to it you have to know what you are doing and provide equal or greater value or you will likely lose in the long run. Not to mention needing to know how to manage your Adwords campaigns.

Programs like SpyFu are great for research but if you think you are gonna just be able to run with some keywords and make a bunch of money on the presumption that if they are there then it must be making money then get ready to get your ass handed to you.

And the results returned are often outdated.

PS. Don't make claims unless you know from personal experience. Maybe you do but most people don't. Too many people parrot anything they hear that sounds good, I guess cause they want to sound like they are an expert or something. Then people believe it and get their asses handed to them and say IM doesn't work.

INFOSEEKER-2009

Thanx for the Refund info ! ! !

solidsoul

scam?? whats the verdict

Avidpoet

If anyone really cracked the Adwords code I doubt they'd tell anyone. Even for a profit.

luseeedwards

I'm SUPER NEW to IM and I came across Michael Jones' "Cracking Adwords Code" sales page today. After listening to the almost 1 hour long sales pitch. I REALLY wanted to buy this training but fortunately for me money is tight right now so I decided to do some research on the training to make sure it won't be a waste of my money and I came upon this forum. And boy am I glad I found this forum before I bit the bullet and purchased this product!

I was forwarded to Michael's sales page from the spyfu.com site in the training videos section.

It appears that this thread was started in October 2008 and he was claiming that the training would only be available to the first 500 people. Well it's now August 2009 and he's still making the same offer!

I don't really fault him for using the scarcity technique to make sales, but the comments that I've read about this product and it's lack of content worth the $1500 he's charging it just makes the whole operation look more like a scam.

As I stated at the beginning of my post. I'm SUPER NEW to IM. Really still doing a lot of research. But it is my sincere desire to create information products that really do have content that is VALUABLE and I know that there are a lot of slicksters out there like this "Michael" person, and it just makes me wonder... Can an information marketer produce information products of REAL VALUE to the customer AND still be able to make a profit? Or do so many people turn to ripping people off because they can't make it legitimately?

Just wondering.