jeanmarie

Has anyone going to purchased this program. If so, what is your reason? Thanks

Jean

bfriday11

Sure will buy one for myself. This is because with the free reports and the software Ryan gave out as a teaser, the Perpetual Traffic Machine will even be greater and contain much more info.

I have started using the tips and authority codes he shared in his reports and I am loving the results already. It is a good investment I believe. Hope you grab yourself a copy too.

Steve Ranger

What is it priced at?

kflanagan28

I really don't get the interest in this. I looked at the Authority Code, which was a bunch of advanced link commands to find blogs to comment on. Couldn't believe it was meant to be "new" information. What's funnier is that tactic will not only lead to comment spam, continually be diminished as Google continue to look at link priority (in terms of position on the page) and devalue links from blog comments (they already announced this laster year), but also the majority of places you find will be nofollow. Regardless of what Ryan says about nofollow links being good as they appear natural, if the authority codes is meant to be some type of ace in the pack when it comes to link building, it's really outdated.

Zach Booker

$1,997.00

cheers,

Zach

chuckles

indeed $1997 or 3 monthly payments of $797 - I closed the browser as soon as I saw the price, shame as I would have liked to know more but not at that price.

Harlan

Like any of the information there is going to be new.

Come on guys.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Zero

Every month, brand new courses at $1997. List Control, Video boss, Traffic Voodoo, Guru Blueprint, PLF 3, Don Crowther's Social Media thingy which just launched just a matter of days ago, the Local marketing thing course which was also 1997 & now Ryan's current launch. I mean, thats like $15,976.
There are so many people who'd have loved to bought many of them, but the fact is...every month these mega-launches happen and they'd probably end up bankrupting just tryin to buy ech of them every single month.

jdjenkins

Also, most of the emails I've received are advertising loads of bonuses, which is nice, but I think the last thing you want is to be distracted by loads of other stuff; especially when you're relatively new to the business!

Jon.

Zero

Hey, well at least the affiliates who're promotin it are gonna get a nice pay-check once this is all said and done.

And i don't think its fair to question its content before anyones actually seen it. I'm sure in the coming days we'll get a better insight into this course by those who bought it.

Kent F

Any one care to give a review now that is't live?

I must admit I loved Frank Kern's e-mail on it. He pockets a grand and gives you zilch as a bonus. Haha - love it. Screw everybody while I make my 7 figure income and play my guitar on the beach.

bfas

As far as I'm concerned, these launches prey on the uninformed, the naive, and those who are still willing to suspend their common sense and believe in 'magic bullets'.

In following many of the 'big name' launches over the last 2-3 years, of the ones I've followed up on in terms of buyer satisfaction (based on threads here and elsewhere), the majority seem to range from disappointments all the way to borderline fraud.

Based on the launch emails and video, "PTM" struck me as fairly general and basic SEO course with some tools for automated backlinking. While that information and a good backlinking tool are essential to someone without either, the overall tone of the launch - as with so many of these - seems to try to give the impression of near-certain huge success.

Separate and aside from the product itself, I find the affiliate end of similar launches to be shameful. Driven by huge commissions plus sales bonuses, the 'names' with the big lists routinely send out pre-written emails that are at best dishonest.

In fairness, I did get a very honest - and probably very effective - email from Frank Kern:

...

"Look, the ugly truth is I haven't even looked at the
product.

So I have no clue if it's any good.

But here's why you should consider it..."
...

That said, in most of these launches, the emails take the form of the marketer essentially re-stating the claims in the salesletter, often about a product they often haven't seen let alone tried.

We're all in this to make money, and the whole "what the market will bear" idea has merit, but it seems that it's reached the point where many of these launches maximize profits, from people who are mostly very hard-pressed to pay those prices, by hyper-inflating their claims.

There, I got that off my chest...


bfas

Zero

Franks own words


Also, i think you're gonna have to wait a while to get any real review of this. Its probably a very big course..and the video is like 50 mins long

Harlan

Dude, it's SEO 101.

Have you watched the videos?

And if you believe the 1/2 hour a week claim, you'll make it to the front page of Google in the year 2015.

I'm just sayin....

lazersgopewpew

Haha...Franks email is great.

How can one even get on his list these days anyway?

jayman

Here's all the launches this month and after .... coming to an email or computer screen near you
get your credit card ready, people

the name of some the courses rival Hollywood's best title
eg. supremacy, nuclear, annihilation (see this so many times),
anarchy, turbo, avalanche, sniper

July 1st - Alex Shelton (With George Brown) - IM Elite
July 1st - Tom Bell + Shawn Casey - Fast Profit Pages
July 6th - Craig Dawber - Google Supremacy
July 6th - Anik Singal + Saj P. - Clickbank Wealth Formula
July 6th - Trey Smith - Penny Traffic
July 8th - Joe Walter + Tom Howe - Ultimate CPA Blueprint
July 12th - Matt Benwell - Rapid Automated Income
July 13th - Jani Ghaffor - FB Siphon
July 15th - Andrew Fox - Nuclear Affiliate
July 15th - Alan Magliocca - List Laundering 2
July 20th - Chris Freville - Internet Marketing Empire
July 22nd - Brian Johnson + Spike Humer - Vision Made Real Business Building 2.0 Summit
July 22nd - Anthony Jones - Affiliate Annihilation
July 24th - Russell Brunson - Instant Social Anarchy
July 27th - Mark Ling - AffiloJetpack
July 27th - Sean Clark - Slide In Code
July 27th - Pawan Agrawal - MaxBlogPress: Subscribers Magnet
July 27th - Mark Lyford - Millionaire Profit Secrets
July 28th - Ryan Deiss - Perpetual Traffic Formula
July 29th - Jeremy Schoemaker - ShoeMoney System 2.0

August 3rd - Ian Ross - Turbo Profit Sniper
August 3rd - Adam Horwitz - Mobile Monopoly
August 5th - Mind Movies 2.0
August 5th - Paul Lemberg - Blueprints To Profits
August 9th - Tim Godfrey + Steven Clayton - Info Prodigy
August 9th - Rob Benwell - Auto Blog System X
August 10th - Steven Johnson + Steven James - Online Income Flood
August 12th - Eric Rockefeller - Quick Cash Concept
August 17th - Chris Cobb - AIS Home Study Course
August 17th - Greg Jacobs -TBA
August 19th - Kieran Gill + Imran S - Auto Traffic Avalanche
August 23rd - Steven Lee Jones - Traffic Anarchy
August 24th - Bill McRea + Mike Williams - Never Fail Listbuilding System
August 26th - Ritoban Chakrabarti - CPA Instruments
August 31st - Sara Young - Easy Paycheck Formula

September 1st - James Francis - Web Design For Internet Marketers
September 7th - Alex Goad - Rank Builder
September 7th - Adeel Chowdhry + Bobby Walker - Hyper FB Traffic
September 14th - George Brown + Andrew X - TBA
September 14th - Norman Freeman - Turbo Business System
September 20th - Paul Ponna - Mega Software Launch (TBA)
September 21st - Oli Tee - Zero Down Traffic Blueprint
September 23rd - Jeff Johnson - TBA
September 28th - Mo Latif - TBA

October 12th - Ran Aroussi + Philip Mansour - TBA
October 21st - Tim Bekker - Whitehat Copycat 2

November 2nd - Dan Brock - Profitzon 2.0

wynquest

I'm pretty disappointed at all of these 'launches' and especially the price. Personally I think - from what I've seen in my very limited time as a member - the Warrior Forum/private war room subscription at $37!!!! is infinitely more valuable. If I paid attention to all of these 'big launches' I think I'd be broke with a massive credit card debt! $2000 is crazy - just my opinion. I'm really floored at this.

This behavior (look at the huge list of upcoming products provided by jayman(thank you for doing that) - it reminds me of the Forex industry where every week - without fail, I get an offer for the next biggest trading course or trading robot. Makes you really burnt out keeping up with it all. My strategy is to completely focus on one thing and delete everything else. So far it's been working pretty well.

Daryl - Wynquest

crudenbay

Man, nice post...that is hilarious. Now I'm going to add those names to my email rules !

onuel

The e-course is called Perpetual Traffic Formula not Machine.

I just bought this e-course including the optional monthly membership which is free for 2 months.

I also bought the Bonus which has a price tag of $197, its called the Traffic And Conversion Blueprint. These are all the products (9 in total) that Ryan Deiss and his Team created before and was sold for between $97-$197 individually and an actual live 3 day Seminar was done on the same topics which costs for thousands of dollars.

These are:
1. Dirt Cheap Traffic
2. Facebook Ad Power
3. Fusion Marketing
4. Undercover List Building
5. Offers That Crush
6. Whale Method
7. Psychic Sales Design
8. Automated Selling Machine
9. Triple X Method

I know of the first 4 and I actually got them for free from a friend. I was so guilty getting it for free because I've learned so much. Granted I haven't applied all of them because there's just so much. The ones that I do applied did wonders on my marketing. They just makes so much sense.

If you watch the recorded video of the live Seminar and you will learn from Ryan and Perry Belcher amazing ideas and also lots of ideas pass around on the seminar from experience marketer who were there. I can tell you that just one of those ideas is worth 100x more than what I paid for this bonus. I'm really serious and I'm not exaggerating. Watch if for yourself, if you are resourceful and don't feel guilty getting it for free, you can get it. Watch it and then tell me if I'm wrong.

Anyways back to Perpetual Traffic Formula.

First of all I'm an affiliate but not actively promoting it. Only reason I'm an affiliate is because you can use your own affiliate to purchase if for yourself which essentially giving me 33% discount which is a big thing for a high ticketed courses. Which in this case a one time payment of $1997 or 3 monthly payments of $797. To tell you the truth, I already decided to buy PTF regardless of the price. I made that decision after watching the Traffic & Conversion Summit videos.

The Perpetual Traffic Formula is basically consists of 7 modules which takes 7 weeks to complete plus extra training modules on week 8. Module 1 only opens up on the first week which starts on Monday, Module 2 on the 2nd week etc... So you cannot just browse thru all the modules and try to do everything fast. So there's really not much to review at the moment since you can't really go thru the whole course. Just wait in 7 weeks time to really get a full review. I'll be glad to do that review when that time comes.

Right now though as soon as you purchased you will see two videos. The first one is 20 minute long video which explains what you should expect in the coming weeks. He explains it so good that I'm actually really excited to get started. The second one is just a 3 minute video which is a homework, a sort of mindset preparation to keep you in the correct mindset before you officially begin the course. That's basically it.

One thing I can say though is that that from my own observation from his past works that Ryan is a very talented and smart individual. He is also an honest and good person who takes responsibility for his own mistakes. Combine all these, and that's a rare find. Again this is from my own observation, you can try to find that out for yourself.

bfas

Nothing personal, but "positive" claims or reviews from affiliates is suspect and self-serving. Whether you like it or not, there's a pretty well-founded assumption that one won't hear anything but positive remarks from someone who has a relationship with the product.

bfas

Steve Ranger

Is there a full refund guarantee if you're not happy?

I think if they all have one then at least they're backing up there releases.

kenwarrior

I hate to burst everyones bubble who has just bought this course but here is a quote directly from Ryan Deiss, off his facebook ads product website, not more than 6 months old

..."if you really want FREE traffic (and there is really no such thing) ...you have to get good at the cut-throat game of SEO (which I'm NOT)"...

quod erat demonstrandum

Daniel Brock

Damn! I'm famous already!

On a side note, from what I have read so far we only have one purchaser of the course - so for all you guys voting it negatively, how can you?

No one has seen the product...

It could be the best darn thing on the planet that could make you thousands of dollars per month...no one knows.

Personally, I have purchased 3 products from Deiss in the past 6 months - all of them $197, all of them I have learned a ton from.

Who is to say that this is no better?

Daniel Brock

Nothing personal, but may I point out that you don't even know what's in the course....

teddy67

Frankley I am sick and tired of these $2,000 launches and I feel even more bad for the newbies that get tied up in these launches and gladly whip out their credit cards in hopes of having a push button automated income overnight

LarryC

First of all, I haven't bought it, don't plan to buy it and I'm not an affiliate. However, so far no one has commented on Ryan's first free report, which I found interesting. If he's right, there's quite a bit of value there. This report is talking about how Google has changed the way it ranks websites, making backlinks not quite as important as they once were. According to him, they now consider traffic to be of more value. Of course, this creates a kind of circular problem for new sites, that you need traffic to rank well, in order to get more traffic. But if this is reality, then we have to deal with it.

On the other hand, even if the freebies were good, that doesn't mean the course is worth $2,000. I'm not saying it isn't, as I'm not in a position to, only that it doesn't logically follow. I have noticed in the past that, both in and out of the IM niche, people often give away their best material and the paid stuff is mainly footnotes. So you can often get the real goods for free!

However, I'm curious to read more reviews by people who have actually purchased the course.

kenwarrior

Can anyone help me?, did I miss it?, in the product launch did Mr Deiss show 1 single google ranking or traffic statistics for 1 of his own sites to which he has applied his traffic formula?

I'm really finding it hard to believe that people are buying this $2K product based on such unproven and speculative statements

procoach

Yes, if by the end of 60 days you aren't satisfied with the amount of traffic you're receiving, Ryan will issue a full refund.

BTW, the site has a 1 hour video that goes in detail of what's covered in each of the 7 modules and shows a screenshot of the software you'll be receiving.

Harlan

Proof? You want proof?

Silly.

It's a product launch.

You don't need proof!

Better hurry.

Byrt M

Ha ha ha....I like a guy who is right but also funny at the same time
Hey Harlan, I agree. While I don't know all the ins and outs of Perpetual blah blah blah I can smell the mania. I am going fishing just to get away from shiny object syndrome.
Byrt

Rob Howard

This is why I don't browse the WF review section anymore:

Bitch bitch bitch.

That's all I hear.

Bitching.

From people who don't have a clue about the quality of the product.

No, I don't have a clue either.

So I'm reserving judgement.

But to those of you who are complaining about these product launches, get over it.

They happen. Why?

Because they work.

They make money. Lots and lots of money. And probably more than most here make in a year. So here is an idea. Why don't YOU do a product launch? Pick a niche, copy what these guys are doing, and make money.


Oh wait...most won't because they don't have the gumption to do all the work invovled. (Let me tell you from the minor, small launches and webinars i've done...dealing with JV's and partners, coordinating, making the product, testing the sales copy/video's, driving the traffic...all under strict deadlines is MAJOR work)

Rob

tjmiller

Where did you get that list?

wynquest

Of course, if the content is king and you can make thousands per month or at least realize a return of your initial investment in a reasonable amount of time, then ok fine. However what annoys me further is this - why not offer this at a REASONABLE price, instead of buying exotic cars and other expensive bribes to affiliates - don't you think that a good portion of this product's cost is padded to pay affiliates? That's what's really upsetting me here - even if the content is great and Ryan is a nice guy - he seems to be - I think there is a greed factor occurring here and I won't be fueling it with my CC number. What a shame - I also agree with the other members who said they would have considered it if it was priced under $1000.

I realize also that the correct way to look at educational costs is 'how much will this make me', rather than 'how much will this cost me' - I am guilty - but I am still going to stand aside Best of luck to those who take the plunge, I hope it lives up to all it claims to be.

Daryl - Wynquest

Rob Howard

You don't seem to have a clue about business, do you?

Guess what:

It's far easier to make MORE money by charging higher and sell less product than it is to sell to millions.

At 2k bucks a pop, what does it take to make 1 million bucks?

500 Buyers.

That's it.

Here is a live example from a campaign I did this last weekend.

Two promotions where sent out to the exact same people - my list and a list between my partner and I (who share 90% of the same people)

Campaign 1 (my partner and I) sold a 7 dollar product. 140 people purchased and we made 980 bucks. The product converted at a whopping 20%!

Campaign 2 sold a $97 product. 31 People purchased. That's 3000 bucks. It converted at a "Paltry" rate of 2.9%

Lesson #1 - I made more money with less purchases (less customer service needs) by charging higher.

Lesson #2 - Guess which group did more refunding and was less pleased with product? I'll give you a hint: It wasn't campaign #2.

Why?

Price. Price acts like a divider. Those who can, and are willing, to invest MORE for something, are more likely to be happier with the purchase AND more willing to make it work.

Lesson #3 - You're wrong about content. Way wrong.

You know what is more important? ROI

Guess what? If someone told me they could give me a secret that would earn 1 million bucks tomorrow and I knew it to be true, and they charged 500k for the secret...I would jump in on a heartbeat...even if the "Secret" was put on a snotty used napkin and took 2 sentences to explain.

Quality content IS important IF it gives me something.

You know what is quality content that I don't give a shi* about? A senior level college science textbook.

But I don't give a crap about it. I wouldn't pay 5 bucks for it.

But if I was clueless about SEO AND I felt that Ryan's course would teach me...and then, lo and behold I actually learned and applied it! Then actually made lots of money!

I would be ecstatic.

I wouldn't give a damn that I could have learned it for free. Why? Well, maybe dropping 2 g's on that product finally motivated me to get serious and learn - being serious money spent.

And if I'm happy, I made my money back and more...and there is several others like me that do - Then Ryan has performed the best deed in the world to me - helping me get free of the job

So, drop this limiting "GURU GREED" mindset and start acting and thinking like a real business man. True value = whatever the market will pay. If it's 2 grand and they get positive ROI, then there is nothing wrong or greedy about it.

Rob

romesaranto

don't know if this is old news by now, just though I would share this off of the blog, a great diagram for a strategic launch as well as a follow up series:

http://www.perpetualtrafficformula.com/jv/wp content/uploads/2010/07/perpetuallaunch2.png

Not an affiliate link.

Not sure about the product it self but Ryan usually has some great stuff.

spannir

Hi

We are enquiring about the value of the content you are selling, not the amount of MAJOR work you have done to get the product to be launch.


AND...33% of what we pay goes to the affiliate as commissions... Why not sell the product 33% cheaper direct to us.?

Cheers.

Rob Howard

Me?

I'm not selling this product. I'm not affiliated with it at all.

There has been 1 person who has actually purchased the product and reported back.

Besides him, no one else has done anything in this thread besides moan about the cost, gurus, product launches, "greed"

...

Sheesh. I don't know why I bother.

Rob

Rob Howard

Once again, you guys really do fail to understand this business don't you?

Why?

Lets have another mini lesson in LEVERAGE.

What would I rather do as a business owner?

Option A - Work my ass off getting, oh, IDK, a message in front of my audience (10's of millions of people) all by myself AND lowering the lifetime value of my customer list. (You guys also fail to see the long term business plan of having list of buyers who have paid $2,000 bucks)

Option B - Let 100's of affiliates DO THAT WORK FOR ME. Plus the presell and name behind those lists - Frank Kern, Jeff Walker, etc. Big names = massive authority. Presell ten times easier.

I mean, here are some examples...

Why does a car dealership employ sales people? Shouldn't the owner just do all the selling and give customers a discount?

Why does most businesses retain telemarketing services?

Why does a business actually employ people at all?

Because you cannot build a 7 figure + business all by yourself!

Leverage leverage leverage.

Rob

Hortensia

Not to be bitching here of course, but I've unsubscribed from most lists of the usual suspects who promote these overprized products. So if everybody does the same, maybe they wake up!

About this product. Everybody who reads this forum can find out how free traffic works. There are no secrets. There are no newly discovered loopholes. Read for example Bryan Kumar instead.

Another point is that with these blueprints in the hands of a huge crowd, you really better stay far away from the tactics used. How much longer will an edu/gov link be effective? It's the same with all these monthly payment backlink businesses.

Not every niche site should get 20000 visitors per day, or have thousands of backlinks. And the searchengines know that.

Another misunderstanding is that you should be on page one to get traffic. Well...if you choose your keywords right, your page can be anywhere and still get traffic.

So do yourself a favor, pick up a small report about free traffic for 10-15 dollars, and start unsubscribing.

You will then have more free time to finally work on getting your free traffic, instead of reading about it in some course.

Hortensia

So you assume that there are repeat buyers?

But are there?

Or do people think..oh my God, here's another pitchmail from ...

Do you have numbers of repeat buyers?

Rob Howard

But what if I did get more than I paid?

Lets just say that I made $10,000 bucks using the techniques he teaches?

Then would you say its of value?

See, the thing is, you have no idea it's value. It may be worth 0 to you. It may be worth 1 million to you.

You really won't know that until you:

A. See the course.

B. Apply the info.

All you can do is guess by the marketing material. And the problem you have is that you are running the assumption that a 2,000 dollar info product is not worth 2,000 bucks, period.


But many MANY companies will pay well over 2,000 bucks for JUST a pdf file containing market data.

Because their decisions to purchase are based off of ROI/Investment thinking and NOT consumer thinking.

You know why I would buy it, if I was interested?

1. Time savings. Can I find it for free? Sure. But I don't have time to find it for free. I'm a business owner. My time is worth way more than 2 grand.

2. ROI interest. I can guess that there is things in there that would help me build my business even more. Stuff that will take me to the next level. 2 grand is nothing for that, in my mind.

3. Ryan is known to be an avid split tester. I would bet that his market data is reflected in his products. That's valuable. Practically invaluable.

So, until you actually see the course and apply it, you don't have a clue of it's true value to you.

Rob

Rob Howard

Yes, actually I do.

I have people who have purchased every single product I have put out. That's well over 50 products.

I have a "core list" of 450 that buys like clockwork. (That list is going to be getting larger soon) That small list is easily worth about 30 grand, based on the amount earned from just them alone.

In fact, they outbuy 2 to 1 compared to my bigger list!

And they are "low priced product repeat buyers". Highest on there right now is 97 bucks. But that is changing soon.

Yes, it does make a huge difference.

In fact, if it wasn't true...then why the hell would you build a list? If everyone purchased only once?

Rob

Fraggler

Who cares about his business model? The question is if this product is worth $2000 - as is.

One of the above comments was true; has there been any proof that this bloke knows what he is talking about, RE:SEO?

Are there any proven SE courses that can be purchased for the same or less money?

Does he have access to information that the SEO experts don't know or is he using SEO specialists as his source of information?

Is his course based on test cases and controlled testing?

What can I get from this course that I can't get from people who live and breathe SEO on forums such as webmasterworld or a $50 WSO?

SEO isn't something that can be fooled. You either produce measurable results or you don't. It is as simple as that. I would like to see some of his results to make an informed decision.

It might be worth $2k to an SEO newbie but what about people who do know at least the basics?

ShaneRQR

Wait... are you suggesting we get rid of this whole "affiliate marketing" thing?

I don't know what you do for a living, but I'm guessing that eliminating affiliate marketing would hurt quite a few people on this forum...

Apart from anything else, they could easily lower the price of the product and still give affiliates a good cut. The price is set where it is for reasons explained above (ccmusicman's posts), so cutting off affiliates wouldn't make a difference.


I'm also baffled by all the bitching about big ticket product launches.

A) Don't like it? Don't buy it. Still nagged by it? Unsub from a bunch of e-mails. This stuff is super-easy to ignore. Think about it: Most of you probably didn't even know these launches existed until a few months ago (depending on when you started out in IM). Were you bothered by it, then?

B) In the pre-launch, the follow-up mails, the affiliate mails etc. you're receiving some of the most valuable marketing lessons ever, for free. Both concerning how to do marketing as well as how NOT to do marketing. Good and bad examples.
How can you not see the value in that?
Serioulsy, if you see these launches and these marketing messages and are annoyed by them, I think there's a major mindset shift you need to go through if you want to be a marketer yourself.
And no: This doesn't mean that you need to copy what most marketers are doing and become pushy and hypey and all that.

Hortensia

We are bitching because we don't like to be ripped off.

@ ccmusicman

What I mean is are there repeat customers for 1997 dollar products?

So they bought one course from say Frank Kern, then do they buy the next product from him as well? Or do they feel...humwoah...

LB

Rarely do I say this...but this thread is worthless. I hope the mods delete it.

It's not a review or even thoughts about prelaunch material etc. (because the course hasn't even launched)

It's just another guru bashfest from aggressive narcissists.

Hortensia

Talking about narcism, what about these guru's then?

I don't like bashing either, but if you want that kind of money, it's normal that people want to know what they get when they buy.

Maybe some of us have been previously disappointed by overprized products.

Is that a valid explanation LB?