Commission King Software - Tom Miller

Hi, I bought it on a webinar on April 9th, 2013. Haven't figured out what to do with it yet, looks like they will do the setup work for another $300 or so. I'm not sure if this is a fake or not. Are you having any luck?
Kevin

Try to check the in the product review section of this forum.

You will most probably get more help/replies.

Cheers,

Gary

Damn $800, i hope for your sake this software spits out money on demand.... (Doubt it)
Maybe you should have read this: http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...reviews-3.html

Good Luck...

Hi

I too bought into this system and have had no support at all - I am now finding a lot of my accounts are being flagged up as fraudulent and they want them verified which I obviously can't do.

I also bought into this via Daniel Lew and I'm surprised he is putting his name to this. You probably like me, trusted Daniel as a reliable source and now I am totally unsure if this is a trusted system or not.

I have actually written into Tom Miller's support tonight and asked for my money back - not sure If I will get it and will be phoning my credit card company tomorrow to see if there's a way I can get my money back via them.

How have you got on since you posted your concerns?

Hope to hear from you soon or anyone else who is having problems with Commission King

I purchased this software off the Dan Lew webinar as well. $897 Oz!

Tested, watched webinars on how to use it, realized the only way I could make it work was to outsource to their Support. It would only cost me another $500. Felt very sad at being upsold such a huge amount and the software being nothing like it was portrayed on the webinar.

Asked for a refund. Received four delaying emails offering support or pointing out that for a mere $500 more I could outsource the work to them. A veiled threat that if I was outside the 30 days guarantee then there would be no refund. I kept pushing for a refund and finally received it two days ago.

Happy? Yes, I got a refund. And No, the software was not what it was portrayed to be.

Martin

I have purchased a copy of Commission King a few days ago through a Chris Cobb link. Now it cost me nearly £700.00 with vat. (Not dollars). I found the tutorials were glossing over stuff quickly and there was so much not explained. It was so complicated my head has been spinning ever since. I though Chris cobb was a solid guy so I trusted this offer. Have I made a mistake? Should I press ahead and try and get it working? Would like to know if anyone has had any encouraging results. This is money I cannot afford but as usual saw it as an investment.

Trevor.

P.S. If you go to YouTube and check out Commission King you will find several different "Guru's" promoting this product and they are all using the same script for promoting it. i.e. they had to twist Tom's arm to get him to release a few copies etc. I hope I'm wrong and this works.

Unfortunately things like this are happening more and more and I really feel your pain and frustration. I urge you to do a lot of research in the future as some of these people are merely a scammer you might have dealt with before with a new name, picture, and slightly different product. If it's too good to be true it probably is.

If any of you have questions regarding a programs legitimacy, please feel free to PM me directly and I will be glad to help.

I am so glad i check the WF before buying anything...I asked questions about Money Back Guarantee twice and no replied...he rushed through the webinar and not answering any questions. I'm so surprised that people bought into this so quickly without doing research.
He was good at scarcity about how many people to use his software...Old Scarcity trick!

If it a Clickbank product you can get refund by sending email: Refunds@clickbank.com

Hello Warrior Members,

I too like Richard Crooke received a link to Tom's webinar from Jeff Mills and had my credit card out to buy....then decided to check the forum for more info and lo and behold...it appears this Tom Miller is a real jerk at providing support.

Move forward with caution if you're planning to add "Commission King" to your internet marketing tool chest. The presentation was really enticing...thanks, UncleChucke

Hi,

I think it's great to see the feed back on the forum. It is a great tool to better my services and improve products. So thank you for those you who have purchased (even if you may have refunded) and taken the time to give your feedback.

When I started out I was buying into all these different systems for making money online but generally my biggest issue was trying to get traffic. I had obviously tried all the usually methods of generating traffic such as SEO, PPC etc. with little to no results, sometimes coming out at a loss. So I figured finding a good source of free stable traffic was something I wanted to achieve. So I have designed Commission King as a tool with the emphasis on driving traffic that can be used by small or big marketers.
Not only now have I created this system for driving traffic but I am also teaching my customers how they can set up online businesses using this as their traffic source as well as lists building and many other useful ways the software can be used. I teach these on my weekly training webinars.

I have gone through each of the points raised on this thread and want to answer them one by one. Some of you have raised the same issues. I do want to point out that after reading most of the comments and issues of the people above, I have realized many of you have not ever used the software, either because you have not purchased it or because you have had an issue (all of which were easily resolvable) and asked for a refund within 48 hours. But everyone is entitled to their opinion and I understand that first impressions last. So again I appreciate the feedback.

Some people have been claiming that this software has already been created before. That could not be further from the truth. I have 100% designed this software myself and Commission King is the most advance software of its type on the market (that I am aware of), the features of the software have been improved and over 16 new features added to it over the last 9 months. Along with the software my clients get access to the members area full of training, training webinars held by myself and my personal expertise on marketing. So to put that to rest this is completely different from anything else I have done and anything else on the internet.

The issue raised that some of my support staff are not available or on hand immediately. I do apologize, I do run a 24/7 support desk however I have one person on the support desk at a time. During busy periods I have up to all 3 of my programmers working and offering free support...

I often jump on myself when I know it will be busy. The real busy periods are after a training webinar when perhaps the support desk gets flooded. I like to give my support email out on the webinar for anyone who may have questions that I didn't get to answer on the live event.
If however if you have sent a refund request through that gets assigned to me personally. Because I like to handle all refund requests personally

Now many of you are questioning the fact I will give you a refund if you ask for one...
Of course I will. I'm in the business of helping people generate traffic to their website and if my software is not a fit for their business I issue you a refund. And all you need to do is email my support desk. Certainly Clickbank won't help as I have nothing to do with them. I pride myself on retaining customers and have a relatively low refund rate for the cost of my product and on going services. I know my software works and it is generating myself and many others a very high and stable income, many of my students will vouch for that... What I try to achieve before you refund is firstly making sure you do understand how it works, how it could help you and finally what I can improve to create a better product and service. I do this by personally getting in contact you. Not having some accounts department give you some silly excuse instead I handle the refunds myself.

There are very few people out there who will put that effort into working out a customers problems.
I understand for some people the software and training may appear complicated and a little overwhelming. But I know if I can have a chat with my students I can help them work out the best strategy for using CK, weather that's starting a new online business or incorporating CK traffic generation into their existing one.

Within my software I do offer an outsourcing option, now this is an option. You can choose to use it or not.
But for the primary method of using the software it is not at all necessary. I do and many others do use it for other methods of using the software.

Hope this helps explain some of the issues raised on this thread. And also I have re evaluated my services and will be improving some of the processes I currently use.

Thanks,
Tom

Hey guys, I normally do my warrior check before purchasing, but I have to say on this occasion I did not. Certainly the software mentioned in the link below does look identical to the software (those of us) have bought at a fairly hefty 'online' price (I know for offline companies I've worked in however, this would be considered a steal if it delivers on even some of the results spoken about). However it at least does seem to come with a system to produce the results. Had I read this thread before purchasing, indeed I may not have purchased it, this is true.

But I wouldn't know if the systems internally were identical unless I purchased both the Commission King software and the Facebook Friends AdderPro, and I have not - I've only see the review videos demonstrating some of Facebook Friends AdderPro. It's look to be same setup at quick view, without the training and system we're taken through in Commission King.

I'd consider myself quite technically savvy, but I have to say the Commission King training is a little disjointed (meaning that it presupposes some knowledge) and I'd hate to be a newbie jumping in on this offer, unless I had some hand holding by someone. I hear the videos are being updated soon (I had that confirmed last night).

I guess where I am right now guys on this is that the system looks to be sound, I'm committed to give it a run to the best of my ability as we're taught. I only got in this week, but I'll report back on how my own results in the weeks to come if you'd like.

Well, the only way is forward from here for me for now.

I noticed Facebook Friend Finder has a page where you can rent the program by the day $3 or the month $30 or a 3 day trial is offered free. I downloaded the 3 free days, but could not get it to run. You warriors saved me the pain of purchasing the program by Tom Miller offered through Noah Lee (Noah's Confession) noah@noahsconfession.com. Sure sounded good, I'm glad Tom is going to try to resolve the problems while I still have my cash in hand. I do still fault Tom in the lie about only letting 15 people in. His program, I watched just a few minutes ago, said he only had 9 other people using it at this time. Maybe that is true, from what it sounds like on the Forum, nobody seems to be able to get it to run.

Hey guys - said I would report back on the Commission King Software by Tom Miller that I purchased recently and here's my report.

I've read through all posts on here and some comments are very valid, particularly the only letting 15 people in. I only say that because it's clear it's been marketed quite widely and let's face it, if you're in online marketing, we all know that everyone does the 'sense of urgency and scarcity' selling tactics, so I'm not holding that one against him. But I can't comment on others support or direct experiences of course, only my own.

What does surprise me is that no one on here has considered that the person selling the Facebook Friend Adder software has copied the software released by Tom Miller, but rather is has been assumed that Tom Miller's software is a copy of the other. I prefer to let the jury sit on that one until I have some clear facts to show me otherwise.

When I first read through the posts on here the other week, it did concern me, but there were allot of missing gaps for me in the feedback that people provided in this stream and so my choice was to work the system and see what it produced before I condemned or praised the purchase/software.

Now I'm a few days into the program and all looks to be going smoothly so far.

There was one comment made above by someone that said "I have the software but I don't know what to do with it." Now this I understand. The system inside is a combination of good strategy combined with a little techi stuff (learning how to work the software). I can see what they've put together is a sound face book friend adding strategy that allows you to build NICHE TARGETED friends lists as fast as you possibly can - but in the safest way possible to avoid your accounts getting suspended, so I can see why you're taught to build that list over a 30 day period - so you don't get your accounts suspended. I do imagine that if you don't follow what is being taught as closely as possible, then you run the risk of having accounts suspended by too much activity too soon. But there is some flexibility there .. and I know this because I ran a function the wrong way and it still all worked out fine! Phew .. my account is still alive and kicking.

Once you understand the strategy and start doing those activities each day, it does get easier, because like anything else, you get familiar with how to run that particular function in the software. I personally have found the support very good and have been able to get direction and answers for any questions I had. But I personally also had to run through the training videos multiple times before I began doing the activities. And that's just me - I have to be able to see how these activities get me the end result before I can begin.

I want to address the comments made on up sell packages where we can outsource these functions to support. I agree, we all hate being up sold additional material when we expect that what we purchased will give us the result we were sold. And if we're to be honest, we know that we can achieve the same result we were sold, but creating facebook accounts ourselves will take us allot longer than outsourcing it to the support. I see this as being not unlike anything else we do online - we either do it ourselves or we invest the money to have it done for us. I think what's upsetting most people here is that this program is so much more expensive than anything we marketers would normally consider investing in anything! And then to have to pay to outsource, just grinds a little. I get that.

Let me just say that it's not necessary to outsource anything to achieve the result, but that taking the outsource path of having support setup some FB accounts for us is faster .. but it is also not the only option to outsource these activities. I however chose to have them setup my first lot of accounts, because I wanted to get started straight away and I wanted to make sure they were setup properly to work with the system. However, next time around, I will outsource that setup elsewhere. For me I just needed to run it, with accounts that I knew would be setup correctly and see how it worked asap.

Once you build your first niche targeted account (so relevant friends who are interested in that topic - invaluable), you then just rinse and repeat the activity - to create another niche targeted account.

All I can say at this point, is that if this program takes me where I think it's taking me, then any amount of money that I invest in this right now, will save me another few years of throwing away my hard earned cash in other temporary business building crap that we're often sold. If this strategy and system works as taught by Tom, it is a long term, solid and targeted customer building strategy and that's what I want. No fly by night strategies that make you money while the markets good or until google has caught on.

That's really all I have to contribute for now, but I will do another progress update in the comings weeks to let you all know how it's running.

HAPPY TO SUPPORT OTHER WARRIORS
Having run through getting started with the program myself, I do know how confusing it can be to get started, so if any of my fellow warriors on here have the program and would like a hand to kick it off, then feel free to PM me. I'd be willing to offer two 30 minutes slots via skype per night, just to help another person succeed with this. I can see how taking the time now to build targeted facebook accounts that we lead and have the power to interact with and sell to is an invaluable investment for long term success. Everyone wins, our facebook friends get the information they're interested in and we get a market of already interested and qualified customers.

I actually on the webinar hosted by Adam Short of Niche Profit Classroom. Though I have learned a lot through this membership and that I have a great respect for Adam and his team, I am a bit alarmed to see the comments here on Warrior Forum on the Commission King page. Sory to see all of these better "gurus"' like Adam promoting what seems like an awful, expensive product.

Hi,
I atttended the webinar and bought the software. Thanks every one for the information.I am going to ask for a refund today.

I just requested a refund request to Tom's support site.Right now no one is available even though they say that there is 24/7 support so i had to send an email which i did. I also signed up for their support. I get this email with the login details and it does not work on their support site login page . Anyways, i am waiting for the refund now.
If Tom can give good support and reduce the product price to something reasonable i think he will be better off.

Thanks everyone,
Murthy

I was a bit shocked as well that Adam Short of NPC would promote this.

Here's what I saw at the webinar:

1.)The software cycling through many different fake FB accounts.
2.)The software also cycling through different proxy servers.
3.)The software spamming random people on FB with a CB affiliate offer.

So, basically...$997 for a FB spamming tool.

I have to say that I was on that webinar too and was set to buy. I thought to myself what a way to get started since I just signed up with NPC! I'm glad I didn't take my hard earned rent money to purchase this junk especially if the same thing can be found for way cheaper...he just used it in a different way with the CB links I gather and has marketed it as his own. But for $997?!!! For that price it should have been printing gold bars on it's own. I also just recieved an email from TM stating that a couple people that signed up through the webiner have already made money by choosing good niches with the software..he really is a slick salesman and I hope Adam Short knows what he is doing. It took me a long time to sign up for NPC and I finally decided that AS had a good product and service. I was willing to work for what I wanted. It's good to know that software that TM is pitching is readily available for anybody that wants to buy it. You just have to know were to find it- FFAP. I hope this helps.

My first post here!

As I type this I'm listening to the repeat of Tom Miller's webinar (I learned of it via Adam Short's NPC mailing list, and only hear a portion of it a few days ago when it was first presented) and I'm glad I didn't bite.

I decided to first do my "due diligence" and Google this a bit, and thus I found this forum. I'm going to spend some time in this forum before I decide if I should spend any time or money on any software product... I would actually prefer to write some of my own code/scripts if I can develop an understanding of what current niches are and use that knowledge to create a spec for a program or script.

Thank you folks!

Elmer

p.s. I read my "Welcome to the Forum" email... the "War Room" seems like a good place to gather hot/current info, and it seems like a very reasonable investment!

Hello fellow Warriors

3rd Installment & FINAL UPDATE THE COMMISSION KING PROGRAM FROM ME

I'm pleased to have been able to help out a few warriors who contacted me privately on this. I've had another couple of enquiries overnight and funnily enough I was just thinking it was time to send my update report as promised and I promised those who emailed me I would do that today and answer all their specific questions here - for others to gain the value from as well. True to my word, here you are:

1. Let me just say up front that NO - purchasing the Commission King Software is not going to generate you the customers or sales as shown in the video demonstration that Tom demos, at least, NOT RIGHT AWAY.

2. Does it have the potential to generate those customers and sales levels that Tom demonstrates? I think it does, but I am not there yet and you won't be there either at that level until some time later. Why? Because you have to use the software and strategy to create and build your own facebook accounts and facebook friends, up to that level and those numbers.

The strategy teaches to both create and build your facebook accounts and friends numbers. You can achieve this in two ways: create the (quite a number) of facebook accounts yourself - or have this outsourced for an additional fee; and secondly use the Commission King Software then to manage those accounts and all the activities such as adding friends etc through the software. You'll also be taught the sales approach as well.

You can start at a basic, intermediate or advanced level. This simply means that you'll either be managing minimal or the maximun number of accounts and therefore associated activities for each account on a daily basis. I would only recommend starting at the advance level if this was your only focus online or if you had the money, person or team to outsource this program to. Whilst the software does the job, there are numerous hickups that will slow you down from time to time, like having to bypass logins several times before it working etc. In fairness however, this strategy is going to attract facebooks attention and you won't have the time to make ALL accounts look natural, so these obstacles are to be expected from time to time. That said, once you login and set the activity to run, you can get on with other things, just checking that all is running smoothly from time to time.

Use of proxies, no matter what level you start at however, is highly recommended that you use proxies to avoid accounts getting locked or banned. This is not required for the basic level, but after discussions with someone working the basic level of the program, I would say the issues being experienced by them of account not working was due to that issue alone.

So, LET ME GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF MY EXPERIENCE IN THE PHASES:

1st Phase:
I found the support really helpful and even connected via email with Tom directly to discuss some thoughts and ask questions. Tom was receptive and helpful.

I initiated the intermediate account setup (additional fee), to speed things up which meant I was actually adding friends to 5 facebook accounts per day. Since it's building up one main account to 2000 friends at this level over a 30 day cycle, there is allot of activity to happen for this to occur.

I actually sped through the initial cycle very quickly, faster than what the program suggested. Minor flags from Facebook, nothing cancelled and all accounts still working.

I had proxies working with my accounts - as recommended in the program.

2nd Phase:
I did not purchase the program outright. And in doing so, I queried to support and Tom the discrepancy over what I was being charged per month. I.e. two different charge amounts being shown and I was paying the higher of the two, so validly I queried this and advised that I would put my payments on hold until we discuss, clarify and resolve.

3 attempts to have this resolved with no reply. My tickets however were not showing up in the support system however, so I can only assume there were clear system issues, but I did email Tom and Support direct as well. And in fairness, i can appreciate that Tom is busy, but I do expect a reply from support.

Hence my system is not working (I can only assume due to non-payment, so not a shock), but I am disappointed that no attempt (that I can see) has been made to respond to my concerns. To be honest, I'm seeing too many great programs or tools with bad or non-responsive support issues occurring these days and my time is valuable, so I'm likely to drop it like a hot potato after making reasonable efforts to resolve and 3 attempts is usually my line.

3rd Phase:
In Australian dollars this is $485 out of pocket later. I feel disappointed that I now have to make the choice to not invest anymore wasted time chasing a reply with support and simply move on.

However I live in the real world of both on and offline, so would I pay $485 to have learnt what I learnt from Tom's strategy and system offline without the blink of an eye, probably yes. Would we normally invest this sort of money in a program online, probably no.

So it's all about perspective for me. I've paid to gain some knowledge and a strategy and now I can purchase another similar piece of software and continue working this strategy in building those accounts.

This is where I am right now.

I am open and honest, so I want you to know that I have asked for a refund, though that really was more from frustration of not getting a reply from support than anything else. I am also outside my refund period, so I don't expect one and really, I can live with that as I at least feel that I have learnt something new of value to take away from it and that I can still use.

IN ANSWER TO SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS I WAS ASKED:

What have you gained so far from the software?
There's no doubt that the software automates facebook activity tasks that would otherwise take you triple the time to achieve. So speeding up facebook friend adds, acceptances and also logging in to your face book accounts - it is a real time saver.

Have your accounts been banned?
I have not had any of my accounts banned yet, touch wood, but I have had to verify a couple of accounts again by confirming the email address. Oh you should know also that at the intermediate level, I am managing 120 facebook accounts and related activities - among other work activities.

How many friends did you get and how fast did you get them?
This is a little hard to gauge as the numbers still keep growing as the weeks pass, but my personal results so far have really only shown about a 10-15% uptake after about 2 weeks. Does not mean it is the same for everyone, depends on the market you're approaching and mine was IM.

Did you get any sales?
I haven't started selling yet, because my facebook activity and choice to invest in this program is part of a larger strategy that I'm building, so my main role is to build the pages and friends base right now, and make the accounts look natural, nothing more, nothing less. There'll be purpose and a clear focus on my sales structure when I start running sales promotions. But at the 18 day mark and probably around 1200-1300 friends across all accounts.

These still have to be aggregrated to the one main account.

Is this software worth anything at all?
Honestly, the software is of course valuable, but I'm not convinced it is more valuable than other ones that sell at 1/8th the prices. Despite all the comments being made on this thread related to Commission King versus Facebook Friend Adder, no one can make any VALID comment on this one way or the other, UNLESS they have both purchased and used both the Commission King Software AND Facebook Friend Adder fully themselves. As I will be doing just that - we shall see fur sure.

In terms of who is the original creator of the software, that's an argument best left to the creators and of no value to me or anyone just wanting to get the job done.

I do however think that the value is in the STRATEGY ALONE. However, the other software sellers may also teach the strategy for all I know and I'll know soon enough as I'm about to pick one up myself.

If other software sellers don't teach the strategy then it's a little like knowing how to construct a wordpress website, but not knowing how to optimise it. Not of much value unless you know what you're doing with it.

Well guys, that's it from me. Hope you find this useful and all the best in your own ventures.

If you visit Facebook Friend Adder and watch the video you will see that Tom is using the same software...

THAT'S FUNNY!

Hello, hope everyone's well. I purchased this software in Dec 2010 when it was called Traffic Revolution, it has been updated and rebranded 3 times ever since. I do agree with JustineA when she says that you have to get use to using the software, it does become easier to use with practice. I only used the software for about 2 months but stop using it a while back so I can't say that it'll give you the results that he shows. However, I did get some results in terms of LIKES on my facebook page. Never made a sale in the months that I used it, I do wonder what would have hanppend if I continued to use it. Any way, I do have to say I'm not so fond of Tom Miller. One of the reasons I stop using the software is because I bought into a course of his called SixFiguresWithTom for which I paid almost $2000 for I did not get the results nor the support I thought I was going to get. I know what you're thinking, what a stupid guy for paying so much money. I guess I was naive. I tried getting a refund but his support told me that there were no refunds for that program. I don't mean to trash the guy, I'm just sharing my experience...

This product was sold in 2011 undwer the name of Traffic King I bought it paid $1,997.00, what a dummy, Tom was pushing using large numbers of Proxies the system was to complicated for an old newbie like me but Tom refunded my money.

Tom sure seamed like a straight shooter at the time now I see this has been marketed under several names priced all over the place.
so much for the nice guy thingy
I just listened to his new pitch Commission King thru Mark Thompson webinar, I thought Mark was straight shooter until now.Some ask why these trusted grus promote this? Duh! big commission Commission King is priced at $997.00 on this webinar same old lie only 15 copies available etc. most are sold tonight what do you bet I get an email tommorrow from Mark that he has talked Tom into giving him some more copies because they feel bad about everyone not getting their copy etc.

If Tom is paying clickbank type commission to the other guys then they are making $500.00 per copy sold, that is probably their breaking point,lol.

I think Tom will refund you but if he hesitate go straight to SWEG and start demanding you money back they will come thru if you stay on them.

Very disappointing that Mark Thompson recommended this product to his entire list. I wasted an hour of my life that I will never get back to see this "highly recommended product". After reading the thread of all the UNHAPPY CUSTOMERS, I have now completely lost faith in anything recommended by Mark Thompson. These guys are promoting scarcity tactics (1000's of people on the call but we can only sell 15 copies). Really. I find it unbelievable that this Yahoo is repacking an existing package that can be purchased for $97.00 and charging 10X the price. I asked lots of questions during the webinar to address why this is the same product. Do you think as he was going through questions, he answered mine? What a Scam.

I attended the seminar today, too, and there was a limit of 15 spots available for purchase of the product. Of course, all spots were sold. (Scarcity works. I wonder whether the backend running sales count they kept announcing was truthful.)

I then received another pre-registered "reminder" to attend the same webinar the next day. No reference was made to the previous day's webinar. I am sure there will be 15 more spots available.

Most likely it will be a replay. However, there was no mention of this being a replay, so those who attend will think it is live.

From my limited understanding and impression of the product, it appears to be software to manage the creation of multiple Facebook accounts (a violation of Facebook terms) and a scraper of user IDs from targeted pages and groups (and presumably more places). Using the scraped user IDs, it is then a bulk targeted friend finder and inviter, a bulk friend adder and a bulk friend suggester.

Once a sufficient list of IDs is acquired (I don't know what the criteria is for determining the optimal number), the software then presumably spams the private message boxes of these targeted FB user accounts slowly with affiliate offers, posing as suggestions from a friend.

It appears that you have to be very careful to follow the prescribed steps to slowly build your results so that it does not look suspicious to Facebook. Following the procedure is where you need to be careful to stay out of Facebook trouble.

It seems quite black hat, though I am sure it works as it says.

If your conscience can handle it.

But as I said, that is only my IMPRESSION of it. I could be off-base (I hope I am), so do your due diligence.

Well, I just got another email from Mark Thompson (actually, it was sent from Tom Miller's mailing list provider) saying that he "...may have convinced him (Tom Miller) to squeeze a few more onto his program."

In the message, Mark says he "...just got off the phone with Tom..." (that's an old phrase -- why not use email or Skype?) and that Tom will conduct another webinar this evening. Mark says it will be live. But I video-scraped and recorded the previous webinar on my computer, so I'm going to compare them.

I received the webinar email confirmation over an hour before I received Mark's message telling me about it. But it didn't have the emotion and urgency that Mark (or Tom) provided in his message.

The whole thing is kind of sad, but funny at the same time.

I would first like to thank JustineA for posting a very well written and elaborate review on Commission King.

I was one of those people that almost purchased this software twice but couldn't due to their "servers crashing". Whether that's actually true or not I'm glad I wasn't able to purchase after reading some of the comments on this forum.

I usually do extensive research before ever buying anything but since I was referred to the webinar by Mark Thompson, a trusted name before today, I decided to go for it.

I started getting suspicious of this product when I checked, and confirmed, that their product support is in China. Nothing against China but it is the "knock-off" capital of the world. Doesn't mean that this is the case here but if it acts like a duck...

As for Mark Thompson, I purchased his Webinar Express product a few months back, which he never seems to use in his own webinars by the way, and it seems to be a solid product. His name is associated with some pretty well known marketers and am a little surprised that he would be associated with someone that SEEMS to have a shady history and risk his own client list (me).

In my opinion, if you're going to promote someone elses product and send your list to go check out that product, it's your moral obligation as a trusted advisor to do your homework on that product before sending your people there.

Mark Thompson may not know it, or even care, but he just lost a loyal customer. My Lifetime Customer Value...probably thousands of dollars.

Bottom line for me is this: This Commission King product at the end of the day may still have potential to be a good product; however, when you're asking for $997 for anything, you'd better be ready to answer a lot of questions about the who, what, where, when, and how of that product. It's unbelievable to me that almost every question I asked on todays, and yesterdays webinar went unanswered. They basically pick and choose the questions they answer. I've gotten more responses buying my last T.V. at Bestbuy, which is less than this product by the way.

I normally would never waste my time writing anything in these forums but since I almost got suckered in to buying this product today, I feel I should warn people to do more research before buying.

And If you happen to be a person reading this post that purchased the product and is doing well with, meaning you've had success and are making money, well congrats. I'm happy for you. Please share how you did it and why the rest of us should spend $997 of our hard earned money on this software. Clearly, Tom Miller and his JV partners don't seem to want to clear things up for us so someone should.

And if Tom Miller happens to be reading this, I welcome the chance to be proven wrong. Please explain why all of these comments about your "15 people only" are wrong. I'm betting you've made too much money to care about one persons comment.

Thanks for starting this thread gabluesky and thanks Justine and everyone else that took the time to share their experience. I was about to purchase and thought I better check here before I plunged and I'm sure glad that I did.

I saw the Mark Thompson webinar and I was tempted.. but thought the price was really high and too little detail so I did some researching.. got on some blackhat forum and found that the software is just copied from some other software name as mentioned before.. (also found some download links to download the software for free btw)... then found this thread..

Thanks everybody for confirming I made a good choice not buying this crap (and removing myself form Mark T his list)

I just heard a replay of this webinar, sounded too good to be true so I checked the WF and glad I did.

My thought - hold the "gurus" that you are on their email list accountable. If they hosted a webinar for this software that stinks and they probably never tried it themselves - unsubscribe from their list.

These gurus do non-stop pitching of other peoples products and offer no value of their own so dump them.

A short list from this thread of people who you should unsubscribe from:
Adam Short
Dan Lew
Chris Cobb

Hello, WF

Do anyone know how to work the account registration setup without outsourcing the service off to CK. I think he setup his software so you would have to buy Tom Miller services just to get through phase one before the software has any use. I think it's a gold-digger tactic to sell such a high price rip-off system, and have the audacity to continue to ripped off people is a low-class blow to a customer pockets.

If anyone know how to bypass giving this greedy dollar chasing maniac anymore of our hard earned money, please post it so we can get this software working without paying anymore money...! Can't get pass the account manager phase to get the thing running the A1, AA1, AAA, accounts.

Michiah

I have been quite unable to do ANYTHING with this package and ALL of my attempts to contact the so called " SUPPORT " facility have ALL failed. -- I purchased through a link fostered by --- DAN Lew -- who I will NEVER Ever trust again. My purchase was via PayPal so I will simply IGNORE the offered Refund scheme and REPORT this as a SCAM -- to PayPal .

Not only Traffic Evolution, Traffic Revolution and now Commission King... but Traffic King somewhere in the mix also. All apparently the same thing!

Info on this link shows the cycle quite well

Confirmation from Tom himself that this was (at least originally) the SAME as Facebook Friends Adder Pro is found at the following link (with a copy below that). Tom states he differentiated his product by adding the training around it. I have not found any official information regarding whether he has separately forked his own development of the product away from FFAP since then or not. JustineA indicates the products now run differently in the back-end regardless of GUI similarities.

http://www.warriorforum.com/internet-marketing-product-reviews-ratings/294928-traffic-revolution-tom-miller-any-reviews-2.html post3022141

Re: Traffic Revolution by Tom Miller- any reviews?
Okay so let's get this straight… You held webinars in which you repeatedly told the attendees that Traffic Revoltion had only been sold to a select number of people so it was in our best interest to maintain its secrecy, all the while you knew good and well that there was an IDENTICAL product already being sold for 1/5th the price and it was being sold to an UNLIMITED number of people.
I just wanna make sure I understand that correctly.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tommycp2 View Post
To clarify the relationship with the programmer, I designed the initial function of the software and then have made a lot of money and then I wanted to sell proper training to the software and tell people how I was using it... So we decided to set up a separate name and sell my version called Traffic Revolution.

(Quote is from: http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post3019915)


And having support staff pretending to be buyers isn't a good look (whether acting of their own accord or not)
Traffic Evolution : Thomas miller is the owner Complaint 633 | Scambook


Irrespective, totally re-branding essentially the SAME product multiple times is poor form in my opinion. A good marketer should be able to make XYZ, then XYZ version 2, then XYZ version 3 just as successful as a total rebrand. In fact it should be more successful based on established brand and reputation, and the ability to upgrade / upsell (depending on price / product mix etc) existing customers as well as new ones.

Not the only, but the most logical conclusions I can come up with are that Matt is an Internet Marketer only without a true understanding of marketing in a broader sense and / or he knows there is really nothing worthy of a version 2 or 3 so is stuck with total rebrand. The scarcity tactic being employed through all iterations of essentially the same product is outright lying, not once, but multiple times. So he in fact has no integrity which outweighs everything else. There may well be more to this, but whatever it is, I personally don't like the pattern and have taken note to simply avoid Matt in future.


As much as I understand the emotion behind people who believe they have been wronged AND feel for each of you, what you have been through is a large part of the "Internet Marketing" industry. I hope you learn from your situation and never have to suffer such a situation again.

Some guiding principles I ALWAYS use when strolling around the "Internet Marketing" industry...

1) Always leave emotions out of it. If I can't, I walk away cause something is usually wrong. Even if it isn't, I'm better missing out than chancing it. Besides, a better, faster, bigger, stronger, cheaper, more automated version will pop up somewhere in a couple of months anyway Educating myself in "traditional" marketing has helped with this greatly. Understanding how marketing works helped me develop filters which I use to more quickly de-sensitise and pick apart things like emotional triggers. Largely why I instantly avoid buying anything that gets past those filters to my emotions (I study / analyse those to learn more).

2) Always do research. I spend a couple of hours going through as much varied information as I can find and try to look beyond emotion based opinions because there is usually at least a bit more to it (see JutineA's posts as example). Most "reviews" are purely promotions (at least at launch time) and if something is too new for genuine information to become available, I wait, again, even if I miss out. There are a number of good places to find information, but WF is consistantly valuable, timely and usually where I start.


P.S. @JustineA: Very much appreciate the time you have taken to provide such factual and balanced information as well as opinions and conclusion.

I've deleted this post, because what I had written here about ownership of FFA, was too speculative.

Well well well, im so happy to see so many people in the same boat as me not that that is a good thing. Tom Miller you should be ashamed of yourself for the unethical display in selling Commission King software.
I bought toms software i think from matt carters webby although it was in april so i can remember the finer details now...what i do know is that on the webby there was a statement made of how this has never been released to the public before and never will again....complete BS. Ok so whats my experience. well to this day i haven't had it working at all. i downloaded the software which went well , i then watched several videos and was wondering why they weren't in order. i was watching the live recordings of training with q and a from inside the CK interface and im totally sure these were all mucked up....I tried many times to get into some of the vids and things inside however my antivirus kept alerting me to possible trojan threats. i contacted support and they said disable your antivirus im like wtf. anyway i couldn't stop the alert scripts from popping up inside the interface and i tried desperately to organize the sequence of training tow which i couldn't figure out. i contacted support no less than 10 times within the few weeks telling them i was having problems and WHAM....a full computer shutdown whilst using the software.....4 weeks later and a computer repair, to which my technician told me was due to some software i had downloaded. it now wasn't there so decided to carry on contacting support to which every reply for 3 months was tom has just released a new version of training OR tom has given you access to his private coaching valued at this much...im like so many times, just give me the refund.....all in all i assume i in the end had tom refusing to refund me this was AFTER a refund was agreed upon.....i cannot believe that this guy can operate in such a way and not get hammered for this... this is exactly what people say about im guys being scammers...why on earth is he operating out of china might you say...a lot of things he is doing there are illegal and not within chinese law....im not sure what to do now as its cost me $800 USD because of the computer repairs and lack of support i had to quickly find a new path which i have and is now producing results as i am now a google rank seo guy taking on new clients to achieve rankings. i have also started up a blog network and am now training to be selling on amazon which is amazing. if anyone can help me in which path i take to either have this software canned or tom miller to accept the fact he has dodgy stuff out there and report him then im all ears.