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I've seen various posts that suggests Proven Amazon Course to be a more economical alternative to Amazing Selling Machine, and I'd love to understand what Amazing Selling Machine could possibly offer that is not provided by Proven Amazon Courses?

From what I've seen from their promotions, both programs offer:
  • FBA Strategy
  • Private Label Advice
  • Strategies about Importing products from China
  • Forum & Community Support
  • Success Stories with people making 100k+ / month

Without buying either program, I don't know much more at this point.

I also saw a post somewhere from a current ASM member who posted their top 50 selling members - with #1 being at 500k, #2 and #3 being at 100k+/month, and #50 being at 5k / month

From what I understand, ASM has at least 1,000+ members, and with #50 already down to 5k / month, that means that even getting 5k a month you need to be in the top 5% (where everyone else makes 5k / month or less).

Please correct me if my information are incorrect, and help me understand why ASM thinks it's worth 3,500 ~ 4,000 while PAC is (?)$300?

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when you say ASA, do you mean amazing selling machine?
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Hi All,

I've seen various posts that suggests Proven Amazon Course to be a more economical alternative to Amazing Selling Machine, and I'd love to understand what Amazing Selling Machine could possibly offer that is not provided by Proven Amazon Courses?

From what I've seen from their promotions, both programs offer:
  • FBA Strategy
  • Private Label Advice
  • Strategies about Importing products from China
  • Forum & Community Support
  • Success Stories with people making 100k+ / month

Without buying either program, I don't know much more at this point.

I also saw a post somewhere from a current ASM member who posted their top 50 selling members - with #1 and #2 being at 100k+/month, and #50 being at 2k / month

From what I understand, AMA has at least 1,000+ members, and with #50 already down to 2k / month, that means that even getting 2k a month you need to be in the top 5% (where everyone else makes 2k / month or less).

Please correct me if my information are incorrect, and help me understand why AMA thinks it's worth 3,500 ~ 4,000 while PAC is (?)$300?
I have been doing FBA for a little over a year and I was entirely self-taught by just experimenting. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think that is the best way to learn. Pick stuff around the house, list it, sell it. Find an item, use the FBA calculator, ship a few to the warehouses, and then see what happens.

I purchased PAC after I was doing it for about 6 months and I thought the content was very busch league to be honest. The sellercentral forums are a much better resource. The private label content wasn't that impressive either. I've heard they have upgraded, but personally I just don't buy into the idea that there is that much to be gained for an expert to voluntarily give away all their secrets to a forum full of sellers. Sure, they might make a few bucks...but personally, I wouldn't do it if I was a decent seller on FBA.

ASM LIKELY is a better course overall based on the free videos. Would I pay to join? Probably not. If those numbers you are stating are correct where the number 1 and 2 guys are in 6 figures and the 50th guy is doing $2K a month, then I have to wonder why they would ever post that info. That is pathetic! Especially when you consider that they are probably using the "business reports" section of Amazon and that is the "total revenue" BEFORE they take out fees.

The missing link is the "x factor" and it's not teachable. Those people doing 6 figures either had a business that was ripe for FBA or they had the x factor (not likely teachable). In other words, they had the kindling and they just needed a little spark.
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when you say ASA, do you mean amazing selling machine?
Oops, ya i meant ASM.
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I have been doing FBA for a little over a year and I was entirely self-taught by just experimenting. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think that is the best way to learn. Pick stuff around the house, list it, sell it. Find an item, use the FBA calculator, ship a few to the warehouses, and then see what happens.

I purchased PAC after I was doing it for about 6 months and I thought the content was very busch league to be honest. The sellercentral forums are a much better resource. The private label content wasn't that impressive either. I've heard they have upgraded, but personally I just don't buy into the idea that there is that much to be gained for an expert to voluntarily give away all their secrets to a forum full of sellers. Sure, they might make a few bucks...but personally, I wouldn't do it if I was a decent seller on FBA.

ASM LIKELY is a better course overall based on the free videos. Would I pay to join? Probably not. If those numbers you are stating are correct where the number 1 and 2 guys are in 6 figures and the 50th guy is doing $2K a month, then I have to wonder why they would ever post that info. That is pathetic! Especially when you consider that they are probably using the "business reports" section of Amazon and that is the "total revenue" BEFORE they take out fees.

The missing link is the "x factor" and it's not teachable. Those people doing 6 figures either had a business that was ripe for FBA or they had the x factor (not likely teachable). In other words, they had the kindling and they just needed a little spark.
Thanks for your input Ryan. It's good to hear that even within Amazon, the sellercentral forums is a potential resource.

I found the information about the top 50 here:
Amazing Selling Machine Review | By A Real ASM Member

The OP posted a screenshot of the top 3, and in the comment, the OP said that:
"The screen shot I shared is the top 50 earners per month, #48 in this list makes $10k and only #49 and 50 make $5k per month."
(oops it was 5k / month for the bottom 50, not 2k)
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Thanks for your input Ryan. It's good to hear that even within Amazon, the sellercentral forums is a potential resource.

I found the information about the top 50 here:
Amazing Selling Machine Review | By A Real ASM Member

The OP posted a screenshot of the top 3, and in the comment, the OP said that:
"The screen shot I shared is the top 50 earners per month, #48 in this list makes $10k and only #49 and 50 make $5k per month."
(oops it was 5k / month for the bottom 50, not 2k)
A few things I'll point out in case you're not aware:

1) The sellers forum is good for "how to", which is only part of the battle, but it's an important one to help figure out the basics.

2) Personally, I would recommend that you figure out the basics by breaking out the skill sets necessary and getting the tools you need. For example, I wouldn't pay the ASM guys to learn how to import from China, when there is a WF guy that sells an ebook about it for like $50 that is a far more comprehensive resource. The "how to"+product+FBA calculator tell you a lot of what you need to know to get started.

3) RE: Sales figures. Most people use Amazon's sales reports to get their sales figures. For a newbie that isn't familiar with that, it's basically just the price the customer pays for the product all added up throughout the month. Average sale is $25 and there were 1000 sales, meaning you "made" $25K in a month.

But the misleading part is that it's before fees and not anywhere near the cost of doing business on Amazon. That $25,000 in sales would mean, depending on the items weight, around $15-$16K in your bank account. Then you have the cost of the product and the cost to get the product to Amazon. I'm not saying you won't make money as it depends on the margins, but it's not $25K in your pocket.
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Let me give you information as I have access to both products and this is my opinion. Proven Amazon Course (PAC) was my first FBA course to get my feet wet into arbitrage goods, which effectively means, buy different branded products at low price and selling them at a higher price. To be honest when I first saw this opportunity, I thought it was the best thing since slice bread for $300, but even less when I purchased it 2 years back. I did make some money from it.

But here are the problems I found (my goal was to grow this business.) For $300 (less when I purchased it) its a bargain, you do learn how to set up an FBA account, what type of scanner you need to get to start running.

>>>I also want to point out whatever course you decide to buy additional investment is required<<<<

PAC problems - I was going out in the mornings to wholesalers, markets and even looking at ebay to buy things. At first was awesome, as you can see there is money to be made. The problem with this is scaling the business. If you hire someone local in your area how to scout new products, they will eventually start running their own, which happened twice to me. I could only work a number of hours.

(This theory might be of interest to you) I planned on buying 60 items per week with a profit margin of $4 - so I went out 3 times a week to markets and looking online. Yes, this does take a LOT of time. For the first 3-4months I saw about $300 - $500 profit coming in per month. Part time this is fine, but like most people I wanted to find a way to run the business without me.

I posted this question in the forum and the reply was surprising : it was on the lines of, if you show someone how to scout for you, they will start their own thing.

Another person replied: We will provide additional training in the course soon.

The problem here the forum group was lacking of some sort - although there are many successful people in there.

PAC - did blog about a guy who is making $1k a day from this business hiring members of his family and friends to help with scouting broad games and making a killing and paying local school kids in between $30 - $60 a day of work. If this is incorrect, I am sure someone will correct me.

Pac Problems - At the time they didnt have PL your own products within the course, unless you buy another expert who is linked to the course (I believe his name is Chris something) - now I have seen the new updated with added training on PL. My opinion on this, it is still lacking behind most courses I have seen on the web - in fact I am subscribed to free blogs (I will not be revealing the name of) who provides effective information to move forward. I am sure people in the PAC are benefiting from this new information, but in comparison to others, doesnt cut the mustard

PAC Problem - Most of the information in the course is geared to the US market - although FBA can be used internationally i.e UK, EU. However, members in the forum do provide tips on marketing in the UK. but this section is also lacking.

PAC problem/pro - depends on how you look at this. To my understanding, PAC pretty much as 4 -5 main people/experts running the show, which they all promote each others courses either in the forums or whatever. So expect that at additional cost.

PAC final Problem - When buying and selling items. Where do you think the items need to be stored? Yes, in your home until you are ready to ship them to Amazon. If you have 60 - 100 items per week, labelling (or you can use FBA label service) boxing etc. This will take additional time, TRUST ME ON THIS. To box 60 items on a standard week, took me 2- 3 hrs to box. If you are working full time and working this business part time, you have to spend time either carrying the items to your local postal store OR wait in for UPS to pick up the goods. In PAC course they do mention UPS has an agreement with Amazon on discounted prices. HOWEVER, they didnt mention its only in the US, not rest of the world. So shipping cost in other countries are pricey, trust me on that. But that should always be worked in your cost margin ANYWAYS.

PAC - Pros - He does provide additional ebook materials you can download from other sellers (who are friends with - I am sure at some point one of those members will post a comment in here) he does provide great tips.

PAC Pros - To start a business on low budget, part time and buying and selling things, this is a perfect course in my opinion.

To build a brand and a global business you can hand down to your family and you step away from the business, this is not something to get you hands in. Although they will say yes it is until they are blue in the face.

Verdict - for $300, selling part time to make $300 - $1000 a month profit, is very doable on your own and awesome value. However, scaling will be a problem.

ASM Amazing selling machine(s) - Like most people when I saw this I thought oh wow, what a pile of 5hit :-)

Adding tools to up the price of the course. Really..

I am not going to bore you with the reason I decided to get in this. In fact I borrowed the money from 5 different people to get start. Yes it is a huge amount of money, and some people outside this course will not understand why the huge price tag. ASM is based around PL your own product and brand on Amazon.

ASM problem - When the course first released, lack of information about shipping from China. I guess the owners didnt expect 60% of members would be targeting China for goods. I think that was a durr moment for them.

They have now updated the information, with live webinars, live event information from experts who are making a killing from it.

ASM problem - they say you can find suppliers where you can invest $100 to start. Yes and No. If you product is coming from the US, yes that is possible. However if you are targeting outside USA, expect additional invest of products $500 - $1000.

ASM problem - they do make it sound easy - which it is once you have been doing the rounds and gone though the process once or twice. But expect lots of emailing, phone calls, or even skyping to find the right supplier. Yes, there are fake ones too. however, ASM does show you have to avoid those stumbling blocks.

ASM problems - Yes, you heard it, more investment - What more I hear you say? Yes you need to create a good looking image, for your product and time creating your listing. I have seen some affiliates offering to create your image of your first product for you and listing. Which can easy the wallet.

ASM problem - I think this might be a common question by most, what about reviews? Yes, if you live outside the USA and you are marketing in the US, how does one get 3 reviews, that is mentioned in the course? There are many ways, but in ASM they teach you to ask friends. ER, how? WTF if I dont know anyone in the U.S. This is lacking in the course. The positive thing is members do help out and have their family members try your product and post a review of their opinion.

ASM problem - the training videos do mostly talk about US market, rightly so as it is the largest source of traffic. However, if you a adamant to operate in your local country where FBA is functional, this is lacking. However, in the ASM group there are lots of posts people are explaining how to do this. ASM have now updated the training for newbies.

ASM problem final point - As you expect, the video training in ASM does outline 80% of what you need, however the group/members/experts post helpful tips to get you moving forward that is not in the training videos. So you are required to do additional searching for information in the forum and facebook group.

ASM pros - No need to store stock in your home then ship to FBA center. However, you are recommend to get a sample to see the product/design outcome.

ASM pros - I think the tools within the course are very good to get started with - not so sure about the email tool, once or twice I have seen problems with it. But the others are awesome. Once they business is making money, you can start using other services to expand your reach and leave ASM tools.

ASM pro - facebook group is super active every min of the day everyone posting comments and success stories. This is without doubt the best part.

ASM Pro - first time member you get free access to the live event

ASM pro - You can scale this business and hire staff.

(I am sure there are some stuff I have missed, but I wanted to make this as even as possible)

Comparison verdict: I was making $390 on avg in PAC on my own with no way to scale. ASM, I am making over $100k per month with a profit margin just over 59.6% with staff members.

This is my honest thoughts on this..

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What do you mean by this? Are you having the supplier label your items for you and send directly to Amazon? If that's the case, that's about as risky as it gets.

I think I agree with your review of PAC and it made me think of some other CONS. The content is incredibly, horribly laid out. I logged in and it was just some hodgepodge of interviews with "experts" here and there. One of their "retail arbitrage" experts talked about getting special treatment at retail stores by having a manager open up a checkout line just for him..hahaha. Hey buddy, I think that happens to everyone. Ever been to a grocery store?

Truth be told, I think if PAC attracts experts it's not because of the content but probably more because of the community and being around like-minded people. I get the impression that the leaders sell just enough to give them a bit of street cred, but not much more than that.
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Been reading this thread with interest. I guess the opinions on a course will invariably depend upon the individuals situation with regards to time, investment capital, expectations etc.

I gained access to PAC in January and I agree with some of the issues raised about content being a little disorganised. The reason for this it seems is because additional material has been added/tweaked over time and there seems to be no A-Z roadmap.

However I have managed to glean enough information to be positive enough to take action and have been pretty pleased so far. However I am very much at a stage of looking to supplement my income whilst working full time so bringing in an extra few hundred pounds each month is fine by me at the moment. In time I would want to move away from the 'hustling' approach and look further into the type of model taught in ASM. In my opinion if you buy PAC then you can bootstrap a business from day one and see how far it takes you. If you buy ASM then I would imagine you would require greater investment and therefore be looking for greater returns.
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What do you mean by this? Are you having the supplier label your items for you and send directly to Amazon? If that's the case, that's about as risky as it gets.

I think I agree with your review of PAC and it made me think of some other CONS. The content is incredibly, horribly laid out. I logged in and it was just some hodgepodge of interviews with "experts" here and there. One of their "retail arbitrage" experts talked about getting special treatment at retail stores by having a manager open up a checkout line just for him..hahaha. Hey buddy, I think that happens to everyone. Ever been to a grocery store?

Truth be told, I think if PAC attracts experts it's not because of the content but probably more because of the community and being around like-minded people. I get the impression that the leaders sell just enough to give them a bit of street cred, but not much more than that.
Hey Ryan what I mean: Before one has the product(s) shipped to FBA directly from the supplier, one would need to physically see one(1) product quality before mass production.

Reading the quote you abstracted from my review, there wasnt anything mentioned regarding labelling. I was only talking about seeing a sample.

Regarding designing the label, some people dont have the wallet to pay for a designer to create a label even if its $100 or less. Which is why there are two options: Have the supplier create the label for you, it wont look pretty at all, TBH.

option 2: Affiliates who are offering ASM as a bonus will include label and Amazon listing thumbnail design.

I agree with your comment on PAC, I thought I missed out a few things. TBH, I got fed up of writing :-)
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Been reading this thread with interest. I guess the opinions on a course will invariably depend upon the individuals situation with regards to time, investment capital, expectations etc.

I gained access to PAC in January and I agree with some of the issues raised about content being a little disorganised. The reason for this it seems is because additional material has been added/tweaked over time and there seems to be no A-Z roadmap.

However I have managed to glean enough information to be positive enough to take action and have been pretty pleased so far. However I am very much at a stage of looking to supplement my income whilst working full time so bringing in an extra few hundred pounds each month is fine by me at the moment. In time I would want to move away from the 'hustling' approach and look further into the type of model taught in ASM. In my opinion if you buy PAC then you can bootstrap a business from day one and see how far it takes you. If you buy ASM then I would imagine you would require greater investment and therefore be looking for greater returns.
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Hey Ryan what I mean: Before one has the product(s) shipped to FBA directly from the supplier, one would need to physically see one(1) product quality before mass production.

Reading the quote you abstracted from my review, there wasnt anything mentioned regarding labelling. I was only talking about seeing a sample.

Regarding designing the label, some people dont have the wallet to pay for a designer to create a label even if its $100 or less. Which is why there are two options: Have the supplier create the label for you, it wont look pretty at all, TBH.

option 2: Affiliates who are offering ASM as a bonus will include label and Amazon listing thumbnail design.

I agree with your comment on PAC, I thought I missed out a few things. TBH, I got fed up of writing :-)
I guess I didn't understand what you meant about not having to store the product in your house. Where is it going after the supplier has finished your order?
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2) Personally, I would recommend that you figure out the basics by breaking out the skill sets necessary and getting the tools you need. For example, I wouldn't pay the ASM guys to learn how to import from China, when there is a WF guy that sells an ebook about it for like $50 that is a far more comprehensive resource. The "how to"+product+FBA calculator tell you a lot of what you need to know to get started.
What WSO do you speak of here? I'd be interested in it.
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Ryan D. said earlier that he checked out the PAC awhile back - I really encourage you to take another look. We are getting success stories from new students daily. I consider the Proven Amazon Course to be the most comprehensive and up to date course of its kind in the world on the topic of setting up a successful business on Amazon.

Our stack of success stories from around the world, and the massive active community we have speaks volumes, and our creative content modules are constantly being updated with the latest ideas. Our last event sold out in hours and the room was full of hundreds of successful Amazon sellers when we all got together.

Ryan D also said: " I wouldn't pay the ASM guys to learn how to import from China, when there is a WF guy that sells an ebook about it for like $50 that is a far more comprehensive resource."

That importing book you are talking about (written by a 22+ year China import veteran) is now a permanent training module inside the Proven Amazon Course - it's not sold elsewhere b/c we've partnered with him to help train our students.

That's the model we use so that the PAC keeps getting better. We are updating his book and selling it separately as well for those who want just that book. I've personally added supporting content to that book so that it now includes some basic info about selling on Amazon based on my 12+ years of selling physical product online (eBay and Amazon) and teaching others to do the same.

The book is an incredibly detailed and easily to follow system for acquiring import inventory - and one of numerous unique strategies we now teach in the PAC course for finding profitable inventory.

We are forming the same type of partnerships with incredibly successful (decade plus experience) private label experts as well. No course is as comprehensive on the subject of Amazon selling success as is the PAC course.
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I can't remember what it's called, but I think he has "Import" in his screen name. If you type in that to the search field, you'll definitely come across him I think.

I am torn about high-priced programs like these. I would definitely not join them for the tools since those are a dime a dozen and you can probably basically just buy those piecemeal and save yourself a bunch of money (and own them). I have a piece of software that can do the autoreponders for like $15/month.

But if you're the type that needs to get jazzed up about things, then it might be worth it for the community. I used to be in stompernet when it launched at $797/month. I learned a lot in there, but I was already on an upward trend with my sites. I'm not much of a "networker" though and never went to any of the events.
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Ryan David said: " I wouldn't pay the ASM guys to learn how to import from China, when there is a WF guy that sells an ebook about it for like $50 that is a far more comprehensive resource."

The importing book (written by a 22+ year China import veteran) that you are talking about is being added to the Proven Amazon Course (PAC) as we speak (within days from now). We've partnered up together (that's how the PAC keeps getting better). We are updating the book and selling it separately as well for those who want just that book. I've personally added supporting content to that book so that it now includes some basic info about selling on Amazon based on my 12+ years of selling physical product online (eBay and Amazon) and teaching others to do the same.

The book is an incredibly detailed and easily to follow system for acquiring import inventory - and one of numerous unique strategies we now teach in the PAC course for finding profitable inventory.

I won't advertise here - I just wanted to keep the record straight on the latest developements.
Well the ebook is $50 when you buy it right from the guy and PAC is $250. When I signed up for PAC it was $97, so it sounds like you just increased the price for the extra stuff. Right?
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Many of the PAC course components sell elsewhere online. If purchased individually the components would sell for around $1200. PAC is a steal at it's current price.

For nearly a decade now we've been approaching the "best of the best" experts in this niche and finding creative ways to partner with them in order to share their secrets with our audience.

This is how we've built the community of overachievers and leaders we now have in place. I'd encourage you to take another look at the Proven Amazon Course content -it's changed a lot since you were last in there it sounds like. We update it constantly - and all updates are free for life for those who've purchased.

UPDATE FOR 2014: Sourcing from China, Private Label taught by arguably the world's foremost expert on the topic, and over 25 paid moderators for our forums

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Many of the PAC course components sell elsewhere online. If purchased individually the components would sell for around $1200. PAC is a steal at it's current price.

We approach "the best of the best" and find creative ways to partner with them - it's how we've built the community of overachievers and leaders we now have in place. I'd encourage you to take another look at the PAC content -it's changed a lot since you were last in there it sounds like. We update it constantly - and all updates are free for life for those who've purchased.
Not sure where you came up with the $1200 figure. To be perfectly frank, the content within PAC at the time that I looked at it, was more like "free webinar" content. I'm not trying to knock the effort, but I'm trying to balance out this perception that there is $1200 worth of content in there. I guarantee that if you priced your product at $1200 that your sales would plummet, so I don't know if it's fair to say that is the value of the content.

I guess that's the other thing too. The people that raise their hands to teach aren't necessarily properly qualified to do so. I have seen this in virtually every community I've been involved with where the cheerleaders and community leaders become moderators, then coaches. People assume that because they are coaches, they are ultra successful and that is usually not the case.

I can get, on some level, people that figure that it's more interesting to teach/launch their own product. Sell 1000 memberships at $350/pop and you have $350K plus you still have your amazon biz. I'm sure they figure that they'll really only create a handful of competition and the odds are low that they'll be in the same products. But not sure I get why someone would voluntarily give away trade secrets (like the PAC model) for a small piece of the pie.
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One thing that is kinda funny about these IMers is their complete lack of effort when it comes to promoting certain things. This morning I get an email from Brad Callen that says "My Biggest online mistake (Learn from it)" in the subject and the body of the email says he made a mistake not promoting because doing this business is SO EASY.

His brother, Matt Callen, also sends an email with the same exact message. I mean, I get that they just used canned email messages, but sometimes it's funny to see it played out.
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@Ashnor - You can't compare ASM to PAC.

PAC - Arbitrage business model. The content is built around buying a product low and selling it higher on Amazon. I know a few people doing this and do very well.

However, it is not a real business with equity. Meaning, there is nothing to purchase. It's all dictated on your skill and it's very tough to scale.

ASM- Selling a product that is branded buy you (Private label or White Label). The Private label industry is booming right now. When you control the brand, you control who sells it.

When you have a brand, you have a following and that is a real business with equity. Now that doesn't mean that someone can't rip you off and sell the same product.

However, it's like anything in life. You just have to market your message and create a bond with that buyer. I know someone that is selling Yoga mats. Not much different than another seller on Amazon.

The difference is, that his marketing of the product creates a unique experience for those that buy. While his listing at mostly 5 stars, the other listing has 3. Same product from the same manufacturer.

With the private label model, you create a real business with a lot of opportunity real scale. Some people now are just using Amazon as a channel to break-even on a product to then really sell them much more after the sale and achieve greater ROI.

The thing they say is that this is pretty simple. However, near the end of December I spent about 40 hours looking for a new supplier for my product. I was able to increase my profits to 50% and reduce my listing price, but it took a lot of searching.

Any real business will take time and there are hurdles you got to get past. I think one of the reasons why you hear about people doing well is because there are limited obstacles compared to starting an information online business.

You need to setup a website, create content, capture emails, ftp, html, shopping cart, Google Analytics, create your product, answer support tickets, etc.

All those things are more chances for someone to get hung up on and never move forward. With the private label products, you don't make the product and you don't take as much offense to if someone doesn't like it or second guess if it is good enough.

Amazon does most of the other things and you can get started with making your first sale faster, which keep you engaged and moving forward.

I'm often asked, I want to start an online business. I always tell them about doing Amazon first, because I know they have a better chance of being successful.

What I suggest is you try both, they have a 30 day money back guarantee and create you own thoughts. Other peoples opinions can help, but they don't matter to you.

The average amount of a 4 year degree in state school is about 90K.

I created a YouTube video in October providing my honest thoughts on ASM and my simple process on how you can start right now with your own private label.

I took on a few private clients and we have 32 videos I created for them, which is about 16 hours of content.

If you have any questions, let me know.

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PAC ... The content is built around buying a product low and selling it higher on Amazon. I know a few people doing this and do very well.

However, it is not a real business with equity...
Are you saying it's not a "real business" if you buy thousands of items at a "low" price (without ever having to store or even see or touch any of it) and then sell that same inventory for a much higher price ALL ON AUTO-PILOT?

If that's not a "real business with equity", then I don't know what is!

We have successful students all over the world doing just that - and they are quite thrilled with the results I assure you.

For the record - PAC teaches numerous product sourcing strategies (and is currently adding content from a world's foremost expert on private label selling on Amazon). Only ONE of strategies taught in our comprehensive course is retail sourcing (that's where we started years ago), but now that strategy is only one of numerous profitable Amazon selling strategies that we are teaching our hundreds of students.

My team and I have been selling physical product online and teaching others to do the same for over a decade. This isn't the latest fad for us.

I don't want to sound combative, but when you sum up a project my team and I have worked on with dedication for years in a short statement full of misrepresentations…well I just have to respond.

Our late 2014 updates include content from someone who has been succeeding in the private label niche for over a decade - with multiple successful products launched under his own brand as well as working with brand names you'd recognize. The PAC is COMPREHENSIVE at a price people can easily afford.

Keep up the great work and best wishes for continued success!
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@Jim Cockrum - That would be a price arbitrage correct? I'm glad it's working for you and your clients. I'm not trying to bash your approach or your course. If you read above, I said to try both.

Look you could be right.

I'm just providing my thoughts in the conversation and how I feel about it.

What I am saying is that it could be a source of income for you doing that right now.

Long term?

What if you want to sell that business, what's it's value?

Who's it's customers?

This is the same reason you can't sell a stock trading business. You can only teach it.

eBay used to be a good place to sell things too about 10 years ago, market got really competitive, which creates efficient pricing.
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What if you want to sell that business, what's it's value?
I understand your point, but to clarify a bit more what the 'Proven Amazon Course' biz model looks like over time...

We have students who are being handed more profitable inventory than they know what to do with from sources that are VERY long term from reliable repeat sources. That's a biz model that any smart buyer would be VERY interested in.

Our students have even formed buying groups just to take it all in…buying fast moving inventory for pennies on the dollar in many cases (again - from reliable, repeat sources).

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I came from this type of business - one of my LTD companies still runs an Amazon store where I have almost 100% feedback. It was a headache. In my experience Amazon physical-product customers are never satisfied, from the people who want free products and will abuse the return systems to get them to the people who just get some kick out of giving you bad feedback.
Be VERY careful with FBA and products that can be copied (such as DVD's). At the FBA they put all the same consignments into one big "bin" and then just pick one out and send it - so if one of your competitors starts using pirated goods, it could be (and has been, with disastrous results!) that you get done for the piracy and you get sued!

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Are you saying it's not a "real business" if you buy thousands of items at a "low" price (without ever having to store or even see or touch any of it) and then sell that same inventory for a much higher price ALL ON AUTO-PILOT?

If that's not a "real business with equity", then I don't know what is!

We have successful students all over the world doing just that - and they are quite thrilled with the results I assure you.

For the record - PAC teaches numerous product sourcing strategies. ONE of them is retail sourcing (that's where we started years ago), but now that strategy is only one of numerous inventory sourcing concepts we dig into thoroughly.

My team and I have been selling physical product online and teaching others to do the same for over a decade. This isn't the latest fad for us.

I don't want to sound combative, but when you sum up a project my team and I have worked on with dedication for years in a short statement full of misrepresentations…well I just have to respond.

Keep up the great work and best wishes for continued success!
No, what he is saying that your amazon store customers are AMAZON's customers and not your customers. So when you go to sell your business you have to state that you have no repeat customers - because they are not yours.
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Just wanted to say I appreciate the info shared by Ryan. I can say that I did not buy ASM, but used the basic info to start a couple of private label endeavors on Amazon. I was very sure the first one I chose was going to be great. TBH, it has not done nearly as well as I thought. Still selling, but about 8-10 units per week and I ma only making about $3 off each (btw, I only count profit after my cost of goods, and Amazon fees including what I pay to ship as my profit).

Fortunately, I started another venture and it is really starting to take off after about 2 months now. I am now ranked in top 1000 for my category and today have sold 13 units so far. I am profiting about $9 per sale.

If you have the funds, without having to go into debt, I think the ASM course is the best route. I am on the PAC facebook group and it is beneficial. They are also doing a conference in September, that I am seriously considering attending. I think they have more diverse structure for a long term business than just Amazon, from what I can decipher from the group posts.

I still am not going to buy the new ASM, but mainly because I need the funds to scale my current business. I would be much more interested in having access to the other member's of ASM than anything else. The basics of how to get started are, like I said, available from the free launch materials.

I do not want PAC to get short changed, as I think it is a different model. Pound for pound ASM is going to be the best option. I do a little retail arbitrage, but there is no way I could do that and scale. For example I just bought four items today that I already sent to FBA. I will probably make about $5 each for a total of $20. If you have the persistence and time to do that regularly go ahead. If it takes that momentum to carry you on to bigger things then go ahead and jump in, but do not expect to quit your job any time soon.

If I hadn't had my second FBA market I would have felt like a failure. I spent about $700 on the first item to stock and have not quite broke even in three months. Then I spent about $200 on second item and have re-ordered three times now and am considering upping my restock orders from about 100 to 200 per order.

You WILL need money to spend on samples, stock, photos, ads, etc. It can be done, but this is not the typical IM business. The potential payoff is huge though if you get it right with ASM model, but barrier of entry is going to cost you more than even the course.

My two cents and I hope it helps someone...
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One thing that is kinda funny about these IMers is their complete lack of effort when it comes to promoting certain things. This morning I get an email from Brad Callen that says "My Biggest online mistake (Learn from it)" in the subject and the body of the email says he made a mistake not promoting because doing this business is SO EASY.

His brother, Matt Callen, also sends an email with the same exact message. I mean, I get that they just used canned email messages, but sometimes it's funny to see it played out.
Hi, the message isn't canned. I rarely, if ever send out a "canned/swipe" email, and spend a minimum of 30 minutes writing my emails. I wrote it myself from my own personal experience. Matt and I share many of the same customer lists. His name happened to be attached to the email. Why so quick to judge?

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Are you seriously selling $100k per month with ASM? at 60% profit? That puts PAC in the shade ... if not permanently eclipsed. Can you broadly tell us what category you are in...I have heard a leaning toward supplements.

Anyway I find it is so hard to believe that these income levels/claims are truly achievable. I'd like to but its my experience that the vast majority of people on any system make much far less than the top 5%.
I'd love to hear average earnings or better yet a distribution of earnings to see how much of a bell curve ASM has.
I imagine they brought in 1000 members? If "only" 50 are making sales of > $5k then the other 95% are at what? $2k, $1k - and these are sales before COGS/fees. I do get that a lot will depend on your product choice plus your will/drive so they cant guarantee anything but for me it just raises questions.
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I imagine they brought in 1000 members? If "only" 50 are making sales of > $5k then the other 95% are at what? $2k, $1k - and these are sales before COGS/fees.

FYI - The leadership of the ProvenAmazonCourse(.com) course sent a survey to EVERY buyer of the course & published the results right on the sales page (on the bottom of the page). It's worth checking out if you haven't yet.

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Are you seriously selling $100k per month with ASM? at 60% profit? That puts PAC in the shade ... if not permanently eclipsed. Can you broadly tell us what category you are in...I have heard a leaning toward supplements.

Anyway I find it is so hard to believe that these income levels/claims are truly achievable. I'd like to but its my experience that the vast majority of people on any system make much far less than the top 5%.
I'd love to hear average earnings or better yet a distribution of earnings to see how much of a bell curve ASM has.
I imagine they brought in 1000 members? If "only" 50 are making sales of > $5k then the other 95% are at what? $2k, $1k - and these are sales before COGS/fees. I do get that a lot will depend on your product choice plus your will/drive so they cant guarantee anything but for me it just raises questions.
Hey dude, I know its hard to believe this stuff and the numbers one can make from this. And yes, I am making over $100k gross sales each month and growing. I am sure you can appreciate its hard to reveal what cat I am in without revealing the niche. All I can say, I am not in weight loss. Personally, I wouldnt even recommend that niche for long term business. I know a lot of people are in that niche which is why many people complain about ASM.

(a bit of a tangent) most people are lazy which is why they didnt think about an actual structured plan. This business is not a quick rich, in fact I challenge ANYONE whoever joins ASM, not to get into weight loss supplements, and I am pretty sure you will have better chances for succeeding. Bold claim, I know, but true.

Regarding PAC, at the time I invested, it didnt have the tools to help me.

Sorry to sound like a jerk, what does AL this actually mean "Anyway I find it is so hard to believe that these income levels/claims are truly achievable. I'd like to but its my experience that the vast majority of people on any system make much far less than the top 5%.
I'd love to hear average earnings or better yet a distribution of earnings to see how much of a bell curve ASM has.
I imagine they brought in 1000 members? If "only" 50 are making sales of > $5k then the other 95% are at what? $2k, $1k - and these are sales before COGS/fees. I do get that a lot will depend on your product choice plus your will/drive so they cant guarantee anything but for me it just raises questions."


You are basing your success on trends? statistical outcomes of other members, really? I am sure you dont consider yourself at the same level as everyone else here, surely not. :-)

The process is very simple, but I wouldnt consider it easy per-say.
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Hi, the message isn't canned. I rarely, if ever send out a "canned/swipe" email, and spend a minimum of 30 minutes writing my emails. I wrote it myself from my own personal experience. Matt and I share many of the same customer lists. His name happened to be attached to the email. Why so quick to judge?

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How was I quick to judge? I got a near identical email; one that came from you and one that came from Matt. One was signed with your name, the other signed with Matt's name. What am I missing?

Maybe one of you wrote it, but the other one didn't. Unless you guys have the exact same thoughts running through your head.
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Are you seriously selling $100k per month with ASM? at 60% profit? That puts PAC in the shade ... if not permanently eclipsed. Can you broadly tell us what category you are in...I have heard a leaning toward supplements.

Anyway I find it is so hard to believe that these income levels/claims are truly achievable. I'd like to but its my experience that the vast majority of people on any system make much far less than the top 5%.
I'd love to hear average earnings or better yet a distribution of earnings to see how much of a bell curve ASM has.
I imagine they brought in 1000 members? If "only" 50 are making sales of > $5k then the other 95% are at what? $2k, $1k - and these are sales before COGS/fees. I do get that a lot will depend on your product choice plus your will/drive so they cant guarantee anything but for me it just raises questions.
@JGK - It's natural to be skeptical and it's natural that everyone doesn't succeed. There isn't anything wrong with that.

Just because you succeed at something doesn't mean that person will be happy. That is why people bail out and search for something else.

It's in your experience that vast majority don't make as much money? Well that is obvious. That is how life works. Some work harder than others and some just "get it" faster or some get lucky as well. You can't control that, you can only try your hardest and hope for the best.

Even if 5% that follow a course are successful, why can't you be that 5%?

You can be...... If the opportunity makes sense and you believe in it, then you should be willing to take the risk and reserve that seat that it might not work out.

But if it does, how would your life be?

I've received a lot of questions about selling on Amazon since I posted by video on YouTube. This Thursday, I am going to do a Hangout and answer any questions related to being successful on Amazon and ASM.

I invite you to join. Just click on the Facebook icon under my image and you will be sign up there.
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Hi - I'm thinking of going into ASM, and the comments from MagicD, ZanyZebra and Josh Belanger are quite reassuring. I really like the business model and feel that it is a very small amount of money to invest in a business (I'm talking about the other costs to set up the business as well - well below the $50k I spent buying a gym to sell for profit).

I have been asking a question to ASM and anyone else involved in selling on Amazon and have not had an answer from anyone as yet. One of the major buying options given by ASM in its sales video's is Alibaba (and I am sure there are thousands more to research and find). My question is, how will the floating of Alibaba on the NY stock exchange later this year, and the globalization of this eCommerce giant, competing very directly with Amazon, and backed by part owners Yahoo and Softbank, affect Amazon's future (and the future of people sourcing product from China and selling on Amazon)? I'm sure Amazon is spending a lot of time in the board room coming up with strategies in preparation - what do the seasoned Warriors here think about the future of any Amazon-based business?

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Hi - I'm thinking of going into ASM, and the comments from MagicD, ZanyZebra and Josh Belanger are quite reassuring. I really like the business model and feel that it is a very small amount of money to invest in a business (I'm talking about the other costs to set up the business as well - well below the $50k I spent buying a gym to sell for profit).

I have been asking a question to ASM and anyone else involved in selling on Amazon and have not had an answer from anyone as yet. One of the major buying options given by ASM in its sales video's is Alibaba (and I am sure there are thousands more to research and find). My question is, how will the floating of Alibaba on the NY stock exchange later this year, and the globalization of this eCommerce giant, competing very directly with Amazon, and backed by part owners Yahoo and Softbank, affect Amazon's future (and the future of people sourcing product from China and selling on Amazon)? I'm sure Amazon is spending a lot of time in the board room coming up with strategies in preparation - what do the seasoned Warriors here think about the future of any Amazon-based business?

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Thanks for your kind words, I only speak the truth, which in return may ruffle a few feathers.

I am sure your question MIGHT be important to others but to me its not. This could be the business naivety on my side.

(just to change the topic a sec) if you do a search in WF about facebook being launched on the stock market, many people had their concerns and opinion how it would effect ads etc, and years down the line, most people are having better results on facebook ads then ever. We live in an opinionated world. I dont run a business on opinions.

The facts are, buying low and selling high whether in China, US, AU, UK anywhere will still be in demand no matter how one does it.

Alibaba is a great place, but not the only place. If you do decide to invest in ASM, there are many members who have built satellite offices with agents over there to scout products and companies to make sure they are legitimate. So in some cases you can bypass the searching and contact the agent via the ASM member and say can your agent build this, yes or no?

I have even seen a couple of affiliates offering within their bonuses a China connection agent personally linked to you to build ones product.

So if that was your main concern, I hope I have answered it. You can now buy it. I look forward to seeing your results mate :-)
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I have been asking a question to ASM and anyone else involved in selling on Amazon and have not had an answer from anyone as yet. One of the major buying options given by ASM in its sales video's is Alibaba (and I am sure there are thousands more to research and find). My question is, how will the floating of Alibaba on the NY stock exchange later this year, and the globalization of this eCommerce giant, competing very directly with Amazon, and backed by part owners Yahoo and Softbank, affect Amazon's future (and the future of people sourcing product from China and selling on Amazon)? I'm sure Amazon is spending a lot of time in the board room coming up with strategies in preparation - what do the seasoned Warriors here think about the future of any Amazon-based business?

Thanks in advance!

@goldphoenix - Glad to help and I really encourage you to review what I have to offer. I hosted a hangout last night that is on the YouTube channel answering questions.

Alibaba getting listed only makes it a publicly traded company. That doesn't mean much beyond that. They will have to disclose information to the public directly now about growth, earnings etc.

Our economy has been globalized for some time now.

Amazon's number 1 market is the US. They have a strong foot hold on it. Alibaba's growth opportunity will be in China, which is on the verge of overtaking the US.

I know some sellers selling in China right now and doing good. As far as Amazon getting market share there, I am not fully sure on their plans or if they could.

If anything, that would just provide another channel in the future for you to possible sell your product to China.

When you list your product on Amazon, you are not selling to the world. For instance, when you list on Amazon.com - you are only selling to the US.

Amazon gaining market share in China has no relevance to your product selling in the US.

Getting started on Amazon is one of the best opportunities if you are looking to sell a physical product and create a real business.
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From what I understand, ASM has at least 1,000+ members, and with #50 already down to 5k / month, that means that even getting 5k a month you need to be in the top 5% (where everyone else makes 5k / month or less).

Please correct me if my information are incorrect, and help me understand why ASM thinks it's worth 3,500 ~ 4,000 while PAC is (?)$300?

I don't know the courses, but wanted to chime in that I'm pretty impressed with the figures you relayed, if they are accurate. It means that 1 in 20 buyers made respectable money that put them into profit.

The chances are very good that some of the remaining 95% are slow starters, but making some money; less than $5k, but maybe enough to put them in profit, and perhaps some will build up steam and make decent money.

But it is almost certain, that most people simply lost the enthusiasm and confidence they started with, and failed to follow through; it happens more often than not, even with multi-thousand dollar programs.

People expect to learn a business for $7 because of the WSO marketplace, but most businesses require a lot more than that, and a lot of those $7 courses are just one technique; not comprehensive, and you won't be an expert at the end of it. If you have a lot of hustle and are reliable and accountable to yourself, then it sounds like the $3.5k is a good investment, although I suppose the other course might be just as good, making it an incredible bargain.
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Great thread guys. Great to see opinions on both sides of the fence. I'm a member of PAC. I will go through the course, implement it then give my feedback.
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Let me give you information as I have access to both products and this is my opinion. Proven Amazon Course (PAC) was my first FBA course to get my feet wet into arbitrage goods, which effectively means, buy different branded products at low price and selling them at a higher price. To be honest when I first saw this opportunity, I thought it was the best thing since slice bread for $300, but even less when I purchased it 2 years back. I did make some money from it.

But here are the problems I found (my goal was to grow this business.) For $300 (less when I purchased it) its a bargain, you do learn how to set up an FBA account, what type of scanner you need to get to start running.

>>>I also want to point out whatever course you decide to buy additional investment is required<<<<

PAC problems - I was going out in the mornings to wholesalers, markets and even looking at ebay to buy things. At first was awesome, as you can see there is money to be made. The problem with this is scaling the business. If you hire someone local in your area how to scout new products, they will eventually start running their own, which happened twice to me. I could only work a number of hours.

(This theory might be of interest to you) I planned on buying 60 items per week with a profit margin of $4 - so I went out 3 times a week to markets and looking online. Yes, this does take a LOT of time. For the first 3-4months I saw about $300 - $500 profit coming in per month. Part time this is fine, but like most people I wanted to find a way to run the business without me.

I posted this question in the forum and the reply was surprising : it was on the lines of, if you show someone how to scout for you, they will start their own thing.

Another person replied: We will provide additional training in the course soon.

The problem here the forum group was lacking of some sort - although there are many successful people in there.

PAC - did blog about a guy who is making $1k a day from this business hiring members of his family and friends to help with scouting broad games and making a killing and paying local school kids in between $30 - $60 a day of work. If this is incorrect, I am sure someone will correct me.

Pac Problems - At the time they didnt have PL your own products within the course, unless you buy another expert who is linked to the course (I believe his name is Chris something) - now I have seen the new updated with added training on PL. My opinion on this, it is still lacking behind most courses I have seen on the web - in fact I am subscribed to free blogs (I will not be revealing the name of) who provides effective information to move forward. I am sure people in the PAC are benefiting from this new information, but in comparison to others, doesnt cut the mustard

PAC Problem - Most of the information in the course is geared to the US market - although FBA can be used internationally i.e UK, EU. However, members in the forum do provide tips on marketing in the UK. but this section is also lacking.

PAC problem/pro - depends on how you look at this. To my understanding, PAC pretty much as 4 -5 main people/experts running the show, which they all promote each others courses either in the forums or whatever. So expect that at additional cost.

PAC final Problem - When buying and selling items. Where do you think the items need to be stored? Yes, in your home until you are ready to ship them to Amazon. If you have 60 - 100 items per week, labelling (or you can use FBA label service) boxing etc. This will take additional time, TRUST ME ON THIS. To box 60 items on a standard week, took me 2- 3 hrs to box. If you are working full time and working this business part time, you have to spend time either carrying the items to your local postal store OR wait in for UPS to pick up the goods. In PAC course they do mention UPS has an agreement with Amazon on discounted prices. HOWEVER, they didnt mention its only in the US, not rest of the world. So shipping cost in other countries are pricey, trust me on that. But that should always be worked in your cost margin ANYWAYS.

PAC - Pros - He does provide additional ebook materials you can download from other sellers (who are friends with - I am sure at some point one of those members will post a comment in here) he does provide great tips.

PAC Pros - To start a business on low budget, part time and buying and selling things, this is a perfect course in my opinion.

To build a brand and a global business you can hand down to your family and you step away from the business, this is not something to get you hands in. Although they will say yes it is until they are blue in the face.

Verdict - for $300, selling part time to make $300 - $1000 a month profit, is very doable on your own and awesome value. However, scaling will be a problem.

ASM Amazing selling machine(s) - Like most people when I saw this I thought oh wow, what a pile of 5hit :-)

Adding tools to up the price of the course. Really..

I am not going to bore you with the reason I decided to get in this. In fact I borrowed the money from 5 different people to get start. Yes it is a huge amount of money, and some people outside this course will not understand why the huge price tag. ASM is based around PL your own product and brand on Amazon.

ASM problem - When the course first released, lack of information about shipping from China. I guess the owners didnt expect 60% of members would be targeting China for goods. I think that was a durr moment for them.

They have now updated the information, with live webinars, live event information from experts who are making a killing from it.

ASM problem - they say you can find suppliers where you can invest $100 to start. Yes and No. If you product is coming from the US, yes that is possible. However if you are targeting outside USA, expect additional invest of products $500 - $1000.

ASM problem - they do make it sound easy - which it is once you have been doing the rounds and gone though the process once or twice. But expect lots of emailing, phone calls, or even skyping to find the right supplier. Yes, there are fake ones too. however, ASM does show you have to avoid those stumbling blocks.

ASM problems - Yes, you heard it, more investment - What more I hear you say? Yes you need to create a good looking image, for your product and time creating your listing. I have seen some affiliates offering to create your image of your first product for you and listing. Which can easy the wallet.

ASM problem - I think this might be a common question by most, what about reviews? Yes, if you live outside the USA and you are marketing in the US, how does one get 3 reviews, that is mentioned in the course? There are many ways, but in ASM they teach you to ask friends. ER, how? WTF if I dont know anyone in the U.S. This is lacking in the course. The positive thing is members do help out and have their family members try your product and post a review of their opinion.

ASM problem - the training videos do mostly talk about US market, rightly so as it is the largest source of traffic. However, if you a adamant to operate in your local country where FBA is functional, this is lacking. However, in the ASM group there are lots of posts people are explaining how to do this. ASM have now updated the training for newbies.

ASM problem final point - As you expect, the video training in ASM does outline 80% of what you need, however the group/members/experts post helpful tips to get you moving forward that is not in the training videos. So you are required to do additional searching for information in the forum and facebook group.

ASM pros - No need to store stock in your home then ship to FBA center. However, you are recommend to get a sample to see the product/design outcome.

ASM pros - I think the tools within the course are very good to get started with - not so sure about the email tool, once or twice I have seen problems with it. But the others are awesome. Once they business is making money, you can start using other services to expand your reach and leave ASM tools.

ASM pro - facebook group is super active every min of the day everyone posting comments and success stories. This is without doubt the best part.

ASM Pro - first time member you get free access to the live event

ASM pro - You can scale this business and hire staff.

(I am sure there are some stuff I have missed, but I wanted to make this as even as possible)

Comparison verdict: I was making $390 on avg in PAC on my own with no way to scale. ASM, I am making over $100k per month with a profit margin just over 59.6% with staff members.

This is my honest thoughts on this..

All the best
Are the software tools in ASM worth the money? How do they differ from any other video creation tools, ping tools, press release submission tools?

Do you have to plug your Amazon account info into these tools? If yes then what is to stop other people such as the creators of ASM from seeing your products in their system and copying them if they see it's successful?
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Hi Ashnor, you invited a correction. Here it is.

The table that was being referred to was the 30 day sales list (since that post the top of this list is now someone selling $1m per month). Because this list only refers to people who have achieved a certain level of sales in the last 30 days ONLY, by definition it excludes everyone who achieved that level BEFORE the last 30 days. This fact changes the picture completely.

Immediately you will understand that that means the list contains only a fraction of ASMers who achieved certain levels of income. If you include all ASMers, regardless of just 30 days or not, then the real numbers achieving are much, much higher.

Also, that list does not include any ASMer who does not report their sales. I don't and I know others who don't. My sales would make it onto the list easily.

It also excludes all those ASMers who did report sales but who have now stopped doing so (even though their sales will be, generally, increasing). Again, I know a number of ASMers in that category too.

To be perfectly frank, sales of $5,000 per are not that uncommon to see, judging by the sheer volume I see regularly in ASM community pages and the turnover of people on the 30 Days Only list. I can't give you figures on how common because I don't have them. But I wanted to give the facts, as much as they are available, on the subject.

All i'm doing is trying to give people straight, factual, answers to pointed questions. Anyone who has ASM questions can get to me through the link under the visitor messages tab my profile. Over 60 warrior forum people have done so in the last 10 days.
Are the software tools in ASM worth the money? How do they differ from any other video creation tools, ping tools, press release submission tools?

Do you have to plug your Amazon account info into these tools? If yes then what is to stop other people such as the creators of ASM from seeing your products in their system and copying them if they see it's successful?
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Hi bigtyivier2k2, thanks for your message. Yes the tools are a very useful part of the overall ASM approach. They are just one part of the whole method, but just about every ASMer uses them. They work.

I can’t go into much detail about the specifics but, for example, the tool used to help gain amazon reviews (a vital part of the amazon search algorithm) uses the amazon api. Sorry I can’t give you more information, but i’m sure you understand why.

Seeing each others product is not really a problem. As an ASMer you can look in the amazon search results and see ASMers products, any day of the week (because you soon get to recognise the tell-tale signs of an ASM product). Nearly everybody is too busy working on their own product/s and building their business.

Anyone who has ASM questions can get to me through the link under the visitor messages tab my profile. Over 60 warrior forum people have done so in the last 10 days. I give straight answers to straight questions.
Thanks!, How do the tools differ from any other video creation tools, ping tools, press release submission tools? I have seen the course before so I am not sure if it's worth paying the asking price just to use the tools and go to their seminar after the course is over.
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Thanks!, How do the tools differ from any other video creation tools, ping tools, press release submission tools? I have seen the course before so I am not sure if it's worth paying the asking price just to use the tools and go to their seminar after the course is over.
Bigtyivier2k2 - They don't and you can find the same solution on Fiverr. Some tools are gray hat and would want to avoid any association with trying to manipulate Amazon in the short run.

There was another person a thread sharing a detailed post about his account be shut down at Amazon.

In my guidance, I encourage people to either outsource the task or do it the smart way and build real buyers with real reviews.
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Bigtyivier2k2 - They don't and you can find the same solution on Fiverr. Some tools are gray hat and would want to avoid any association with trying to manipulate Amazon in the short run.

There was another person a thread sharing a detailed post about his account be shut down at Amazon.

In my guidance, I encourage people to either outsource the task or do it the smart way and build real buyers with real reviews.
His account got shut down due to the software offered in ASM?
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His account got shut down due to the software offered in ASM?
I don't know you can ask him if you'd like. The link to his post will be below here. I do know of people having some issues with other people in the ASM community leaving positive reviews for each other as favors.

Once you find one product on Amazon that was listed from a person that went through ASM, which is not hard to find.

In that listing and where it says "Customers Who Viewed This Item Also Viewed" It will show a lot of other products from ASMers.

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I do know of people having some issues with other people in the ASM community leaving positive reviews for each other as favors.
I can verify that Amazon takes it very seriously when reviews are left on products only as a "favor" to the product owner. NEVER do that. Amazon uses IP and other tracking to monitor such activity and you put your own account and your "friends" account at risk when you do it... on top of that it's not ethical. If you want to leave a review, buy the product and leave an honest review. It's that simple. Anything else is deceptive and risky.
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Probably the single most important thing to 'get' is that ASM is not a course.

I know it looks like a course. I know it's being marketed as a course. I know you think you're buying a course. But, take it from me, what it really is is learning to create a long-term, sustainable, business.
Then why Matt claims that while it took him years to be where he is at now, others would be able shrink their learning course and leverage Matt's knowledge to shortcut their way to success?

Here's screenshot from yesterday's "Clarity" webinar:

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Where important questions were promised to be clarified. And what Matt did? He told that most questions were not important until after people take initial steps first to reach the point in their business when such questions will have their place as asking irrelevant questions before starting only hinders the right attitude.

He is right about the last sentence but Matt! Don't you think people have their right to be informed of what they are getting into? What about liability? Legal stuff etc.?

Let me give you an example. Matt constantly showed product sourcing through Alibaba. What if I decide to sell electric appliance? Like mosquito killer or appliance operating on rechargeable batteries? Both appliance and rechargeable battery are build in China and many people know about poor QC of such. I personally read several times on blogs where people experienced batteries exploding, catching fire etc.

You see what I am getting at? And I am not talking about liability of selling health supplements...
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Although I recommend lower-cost alternatives to Amazing Selling Machine, one thing I have to say where ASM critics are mislead is that a saturation of specific products/product types being sold on Amazon is an obstacle. *IF* Amazing Selling Machine works, you can make it work for a product all your own (you don't have to be, nor should you be, buying/creating products that several other ASM members are selling.) Even if you created/bought a similar product, you can spin the product a different way or create a bundle. <-- this applies to any seller, not just those who took ASM.

I've been a vocal critic of ASM and a champion of the far-lower-priced programs (like PAC), but I just wanted to encourage new-ish sellers who think product saturation is a big obstacle. It's a small one you can work around.

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In addition to 30 day money-back guarantee they also offer inventory insurance of $1000. Doesn't that sound stupid to offer inventory coverage within 30 days if people are expected to go through full 8-week program?
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I am considering picking up ASM and have been searching out pros and cons. This conversation has been most helpful.

I think as far as the $ badges go, not everyone will report their successes as some prefer to keep that quiet. And based on prior experiences, many people want to just do the minimum.

I did buy an E-Bay course, but have hesitated on putting the stuff up on the site as I was concerned with having to hand hold the uploads daily and make sure the drop ship correctly, etc.

I definitely like the FBA type approach much better. And setting up my own products to sell just seem more doable once I have decided what to sell, price, etc.

Thought about PAC, but thinking it's not quite what I want although I found some of the pros worth considering.

While I feel a 60 day guarantee would be nicer - even a 45 day option, I am sure I would have formulated a decision on if it is worth it before 30 days is up.

Certainly like the cost better than having to buy and pay start up fees and inventory for a franchise. Oh Lordy! The prices I've heard. Above my budget for sure.

Yes. I gulped when I saw the price. Decided to take the week to think about it, etc. Remember seeing the price last year and thought no way. But now...I might be more inclined.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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So, in a nutshell, if I wanted to buy the course, should I go with PAC or ASM?

Thanks for all the advise.
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Hi, I was doing it for about 6 months and I thought the content was very busch league to be honest. The sellercentral forums are a much better resource. The private label content wasn't that impressive either.
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