Question for those doing Video Marketing for Offline Clients...

by Dexx
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I'm looking to start recording videos for offline clients, and I know there are some great cameras out there to do this, can anyone recommend or give their personal experiences?

I was considering the Flip Mino HD, but my issue is the fact that short of being UPCLOSE, the sound quality from someone speaking wont be that great.

For example I have my first client now, and he's interested in videos, but I'd like to shoot video inside his restaurant with him walking and talking, and I dont think a Flip Camera will do the job.

I went to Best Buy and saw some nice Canon cameras, but I'm also looking for something I can easily connect to my computer and download the video too, not having to record on to a digital cassette and transfer over...

Also some of the cameras film in 4.0 MP...is that decent quality for video? I would think that would still look pixelated etc. if lots of movements etc. happens?


Hrmmm...so ya, recommendations would be nice! I plan to do plenty of "in business" videos so once again sound quality is a major focus.

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    Hi Dexx,

    here's an email I sent to a guy who asked some similar questions.
    Like you he wanted easy, no-hassle, great sound, lightening-fast
    uploading... basically a difficult request. So I told him why I use
    tape.

    Here it is:

    I don't use a Mac but I do use video for marketing.

    1. I would stay away from proprietary formats. For web-use you ultimately
    want to get to .FLV format because that's the one in widest use for streaming.
    The format you capture in is less important than where you end up.

    2. My research indicates going to miniDV tape is the better option for capturing
    footage because it is actually linear like old audio tape. Even though it's
    digital each second has a physical location on the tape so corruption of
    data is seldom a problem. If you go with a hard-drive camcorder you
    get what goes along with hard-drives.

    3. I use a Canon ZR500 camera - out of production because Canon figured
    out they could get more money for cameras with a mic-jack - thus they took
    the ZR500 off the market and replaced it with a model without one and
    reserved the mic jack for pricier models.

    4. You can check out the wireless mics sold through Drew Alan Kaplan's
    site DAK Industries: Drew Kaplan Greets Past DAKonians at DAK! - he has good testimonials for his inexpensive
    wireless mics.... but in my other research AV guys were saying they
    suck.

    5. I use a sony digital mic that plugs into my camera - it is not a lavalier
    model.

    6. With a camera mic you need a mic with a battery. A no battery
    mic won't send a signal - you need a mic with a pre-amp balanced
    to send the right-strength signal to a video camera or mini-CD recorder,
    which are now kind of obsolete. These mics send an appropriately
    boosted signal. Lavalier mics of this type have a tiny little battery and
    no low-battery light on the one I researched - if your battery dies on you
    you won't know it until you watch your blathering head with no sound-track.

    Just my 2 cents. If you want to dig-in and research this stuff watch
    Bill Myers (the direct mail guy) videos on YouTube - his username
    is GuerillaBill.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Wow Loren! Thank you very much for the detailed response!

      Couple additional questions:

      1) How much do you figure it will cost me to purchase this equipment in total (microphone / camera etc.)

      2) How difficult is it to transfer footage from a Digital Tape to a computer?

      3) Is the footage recorder / transferred any more difficult for the video editors I'll be outsourcing to to edit?

      4) You mentioned that you use a " sony digital mic that plugs into my camera - it is not a lavalier model." What has your experience with this style of microphone been like? How well would it capture sound in a busy environment (ideally I'd like to do customer testimonials of people sitting down IN the restaurant)

      5) Why did you choose that style of mic vs the wirelress microphones that you mentioned?


      Thank you so much for your fast response once again!

      ~Dexx



      Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

      Hi Dexx,

      here's an email I sent to a guy who asked some similar questions.
      Like you he wanted easy, no-hassle, great sound, lightening-fast
      uploading... basically a difficult request. So I told him why I use
      tape.

      Here it is:

      I don't use a Mac but I do use video for marketing.

      1. I would stay away from proprietary formats. For web-use you ultimately
      want to get to .FLV format because that's the one in widest use for streaming.
      The format you capture in is less important than where you end up.

      2. My research indicates going to miniDV tape is the better option for capturing
      footage because it is actually linear like old audio tape. Even though it's
      digital each second has a physical location on the tape so corruption of
      data is seldom a problem. If you go with a hard-drive camcorder you
      get what goes along with hard-drives.

      3. I use a Canon ZR500 camera - out of production because Canon figured
      out they could get more money for cameras with a mic-jack - thus they took
      the ZR500 off the market and replaced it with a model without one and
      reserved the mic jack for pricier models.

      4. You can check out the wireless mics sold through Drew Alan Kaplan's
      site DAK Industries: Drew Kaplan Greets Past DAKonians at DAK! - he has good testimonials for his inexpensive
      wireless mics.... but in my other research AV guys were saying they
      suck.

      5. I use a sony digital mic that plugs into my camera - it is not a lavalier
      model.

      6. With a camera mic you need a mic with a battery. A no battery
      mic won't send a signal - you need a mic with a pre-amp balanced
      to send the right-strength signal to a video camera or mini-CD recorder,
      which are now kind of obsolete. These mics send an appropriately
      boosted signal. Lavalier mics of this type have a tiny little battery and
      no low-battery light on the one I researched - if your battery dies on you
      you won't know it until you watch your blathering head with no sound-track.

      Just my 2 cents. If you want to dig-in and research this stuff watch
      Bill Myers (the direct mail guy) videos on YouTube - his username
      is GuerillaBill.
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  • Profile picture of the author Droopy Dawg
    Have you tried the Flip Mino? Or did you read reviews that said the sound quality wasn't good?

    The reason I ask is becaus eI just landed on offline client taht opted for video, and I include a camera in my video package... I was going to buy a Flip video cam, but after seeing this I may need to reconsider.

    Thanks,

    DeShon

    Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

    I'm looking to start recording videos for offline clients, and I know there are some great cameras out there to do this, can anyone recommend or give their personal experiences?

    I was considering the Flip Mino HD, but my issue is the fact that short of being UPCLOSE, the sound quality from someone speaking wont be that great.

    For example I have my first client now, and he's interested in videos, but I'd like to shoot video inside his restaurant with him walking and talking, and I dont think a Flip Camera will do the job.

    I went to Best Buy and saw some nice Canon cameras, but I'm also looking for something I can easily connect to my computer and download the video too, not having to record on to a digital cassette and transfer over...

    Also some of the cameras film in 4.0 MP...is that decent quality for video? I would think that would still look pixelated etc. if lots of movements etc. happens?


    Hrmmm...so ya, recommendations would be nice! I plan to do plenty of "in business" videos so once again sound quality is a major focus.

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Originally Posted by Droopy Dawg View Post

      Have you tried the Flip Mino? Or did you read reviews that said the sound quality wasn't good?

      The reason I ask is becaus eI just landed on offline client taht opted for video, and I include a camera in my video package... I was going to buy a Flip video cam, but after seeing this I may need to reconsider.

      Thanks,

      DeShon
      If you watch video reviews of the Flip's on YouTube you will see that videos shot at a distance are very hard to hear audio wise, but great for close 1-1 interview or Web videos of you giving a testimonial etc.

      There's also no microphone input in a flip for external microphones to be used sadly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Riz
    The audio on a flip camcorder is not the best from distance.

    It is good for quick videos that u will do a voice over for through a program like sony vegas.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Transue
    Great thread guys. I'm also in the market for a new video camera for a similar reason. I'll be watching this thread to see what camera you decide on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Do you currently own a camera Eric?
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    Wow Loren! Thank you very much for the detailed response!

    Couple additional questions:

    1) How much do you figure it will cost me to purchase this equipment in total (microphone / camera etc.)
    You can get the ZR500 used/new for about $150. I paid more, but it
    was on the market as a new model at the time. I'm not obsessed
    with having the latest gear - I just want something that works.

    2) How difficult is it to transfer footage from a Digital Tape to a computer?
    Depends on yoru computer. I use a firewire cable. You need a fairly
    fast machine and 2 hard drives to do it well. You need a "c" drive to
    run your software and a "e" drive to store the media. It just works
    better this way. These days a $500 desktop with a couple of drives
    and a firewire card is all you need. I use Sony Vegas running on XP.
    Not a fancy setup at all.

    Capturing video is demanding and will heat-up your computer. It takes
    a lot of resources and taxes the processor like nothing else. Shut down
    nonessential programs, unplug from the internet so programs cannot access
    it, and start with a cool machine. First thing in the morning is best,
    but you'll find out from experience what your gear can and cannot do.


    3) Is the footage recorder / transferred any more difficult for the video editors I'll be outsourcing to to edit?
    No.

    4) You mentioned that you use a " sony digital mic that plugs into my camera - it is not a lavalier model." What has your experience with this style of microphone been like? How well would it capture sound in a busy environment (ideally I'd like to do customer testimonials of people sitting down IN the restaurant)
    It's a ECM-MS907. Great all-round fidelity but you need to get it
    fairly close to the source or have the source be loudish.

    5) Why did you choose that style of mic vs the wirelress microphones that you mentioned?
    A wireless mic is good too. The DAK one might be a good choice for you.
    I do music too, so I wanted a more hi-fi mic. I have some lavalier
    mics too. One requires a mixer and other stuff to work with a computer -
    while the other lacks a battery so the signal does not work with
    the camera.

    My mic I can use for podcasting, I can carry it around and interview
    people on camera with it. It has a handle and a windscreen. It works
    great for music.
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  • Profile picture of the author enterpryzman
    I have several camera's that I use, one is a canon HV30 which is miniDVHD, one is a JVC Everio GZ-HD7, and several Flip's. On the Canon and JVC I do use external mic's and the Canon I have a shotgun mic that is fantastic.

    Keep in mind that HD editing is more complicated, at least for me as I do not use a MAC, I use Pinacle software which does handle HD. For the web, it is over kill in my personal opinion. The Flips are the fastest and by far the easiest way. I will try to post one of my video's here ( it is me on 1 of my sites):



    First real video from me - Talk About Cancer


    Keep in mind that when editing, you can take the flip audio and boost it quite a bit. You can get real creative and then copy it to a second track and have sort-of stereo sound from the flip.

    The one thing I will say is stay away from the JVC brand as they create unique files that many editing softwares will not be able to see which means you are screwed when it comes to editing.

    No matter what camera you use, if your sound is good and your lighting is good, it can make a so-so video look much better. As a last resort, I have a couple of zoom MP3 recorders and can record a sound track while shooting the video and switch it out if needed....by doing this, you can then have the audio transcribed for content re-purpose even on the same page.

    Hope this helps a little.
    Enterpryzman
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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Originally Posted by enterpryzman View Post

      I have several camera's that I use, one is a canon HV30 which is miniDVHD, one is a JVC Everio GZ-HD7, and several Flip's. On the Canon and JVC I do use external mic's and the Canon I have a shotgun mic that is fantastic.

      Keep in mind that HD editing is more complicated, at least for me as I do not use a MAC, I use Pinacle software which does handle HD. For the web, it is over kill in my personal opinion. The Flips are the fastest and by far the easiest way. I will try to post one of my video's here ( it is me on 1 of my sites):

      First real video from me - Talk About Cancer

      Hope this helps a little.
      Enterpryzman
      Thanks for the reply!

      Can you comment on how hard it is to transfer files Digital Video Cassette to a computer as opposed to plugging in with USB? (I'm assuming the cameras mentioned above require that)

      Also can you comment on the microphones you use and the quality you find them to be? Do they handle being in busy / crowded places well?
      Or does it require mostly secluded environments like your flip video?

      How much do you believe a decent video recording setup will cost?

      Thanks!!
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  • Profile picture of the author enterpryzman
    The best inexpensive mic you can get is Audio-Technica ATR-35S Lavalier Microphone, it will cost less than $ 30. and will plug into the camera ( be certain you have a mic jack ). The bad thing about tape is that you have to load it onto the computer in real-time. With a digital camera, you can just grab the file ( stay away from JVC ). I feel that standard miniDV would be a great place for you to start.

    You could get an inexpensive cam such as the one talked about above. I think if I was doing it over again, I would watch craigslist and buy a better quality used camera that is more on the pro-sumer side. I spent about $ 1,200. for the Canon and Canon shotgun mic, I spent about $ 1,400 for the JVC, and about $ 140. each for my Flip Ultra's. I have not purchased the mino or mino HD as they require the use of their built in battery and must be recharged and the ultra's can take AA's that can be changed out if needed. Also, the ultra fits in it's own water proof housing that I love and use all the time when kayaking and jetskiing.

    You can get a professional Canon that is slightly used ( new at $ 3,200. ) for about $ 800.00 with a case, extra batteries, mic, ect...you can start right away.

    One closing thought, I never leave home without my filp in my pocket. I use it to film anything and everything and that is more often most important, more so than the quality. I have hired a student for a couple of shoots at about $ 125. for a couple hours and they use their own equipment and provide me a edited video and I also require they convert it to .flv.




    Enterpryzman
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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Thank you so much!

      Anyone else have recommendations or experiences with cameras / microphones?
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