There Are No Secrets On The Internet

9 years ago

Originally Posted by dad2four

deep down inside you believe that someone will sell you these "secrets", but trust me on this, the won't.

There are some marketing experts in the internet marketing field that do have courses and do not teach you everything that they really do.

I met one of my mentors back in 2007 after failing for a few years and can tell you that he really laid out everything that he did. He laid out how much he spent per day/month on Google adwords, how much he really made in pure profit per day/month, what affiliate programs he was using, and he even disclosed his daily and monthly profits.

On the other hand, I see a lot of coaches out there who teach just 40% of what they really do online to create massive success.

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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by dad2four

1. T I'd like to add to this, that there is no reason what so ever to spend money to learn this information. Your brain will try to fool you into thinking the opposite because deep down inside you believe that someone will sell you these "secrets", but trust me on this, the won't.

I agree but only to a certain extent. I think even when you become successful ( at least I do) your education never stops.

And quite honestly with the money I make I can afford to invest in furthering my Education.

Sure you can do most of this stuff for free but sometimes it pays to pay for the convenience of having very specific, and detailed information right at your finger tips

So do not be afraid to invest a little bit in your future

- Robert Andrew

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Devilfish168

9 years ago

I still believe the most successful one and " pure luck IM who happen discover a gem to make money fast online " will not tell ALL .

or else other IM will know slowly spread the information thus the original one start first their daily income surely drop because many people already know....

is hard to find those iM really willing to share ..Which I respect their generous

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crowsnest7 9 years ago

Hi dad2four,

It's true that you can find a lot of good free information on the Internet (especially here at the WF), but it's also easy to get a bad case of information overload.

At some point, it's a good idea to find a mentor who can show you the way.
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- The Niche Man 9 years ago
  
  I understand your points in general. But to defend some Guru's (not that they need defending, but then again maybe they do). How could you possibly teach someone all your secrets in a book, course or even mentorship - that took you years, maybe decades to master?
  
  Personally, just show me enough to open the door and I'll do the rest myself. l don't need to know all your secrets to succeed. Just the fundamentals (No hand holding neccessary). And that goes for anyone that's willing to put on their Big Boy pants in most cases.
  
  Also, in a lot of cases marketers use secret in different context. For example...
  
  - Hidden Secret - Guarded method. (i.e , coke formula, KFC recipe.
  - Secret method - New, easier, more convenient shortcut, or way of doing a complicated, hard or boring routine chore ... just discovered or created.
  - General Secret - Not known by the general public. A tool, technique or piece of software.
  
  So, you have to determine how valuable your time is. Do you want to spend your time scouring the net searching for the secrets or spend that time applying them and enjoying the benefits. That's an individual choice.
  
  And in many cases experts will share secrets:Go to the copywriting section, they'll even tell you ( or yell at you) how you can improve after critiqueing your site, sales letter or video. Your in a forum now where marketers with decades of experience share many of their secrets. I have no problem sharing many of my secrets. But applying them is a whole different story. A Farrari or Lamborghini mechanic can share his secrets for rebuilding an engine, but it doesn''t mean I'll steal any of his business any time soon.
  
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  Karen Blundell 9 years ago
  
  of course there are secrets on the Internet. There are lots of people quietly making fortunes without anyone knowing exactly who they are, how they are doing it, etc.
  Ghost writers come to mind.
  Smart people fly under the radar - just so you know.
  
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  KenW3 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by The Niche Man
  
  How could you possibly teach someone all your secrets in a book, course or even mentorship - that took you years, maybe decades to master.
  
  This is easily the most important point anyone considering education needs to comprehend. A teacher can explain to a student what they do, even provide step-by-step procedures, but cannot possibly provide any student with the background and experience that resulted in the skills the educator is able to teach. The end result, typically, is a student who can recite steps to follow but who is unable to trust and apply the method(s) effectively due to lack of prerequisite (or even subsequent) study and testing.
  
  The one thing too many business teachers fail to realize is: Their students cannot possible internalize the needed knowledge to attain the same success the teacher has experienced without having the same foundation and background as the educator, which will (of course) take a similar number of years, the same practice, the same amount of testing, and the same level of competence.
  
  I agree that any business on the net can be dissected and reverse engineered.
  
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Arissa Lockhart

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Devilfish168

I still believe the most successful one and " pure luck IM who happen discover a gem to make money fast online " will not tell ALL .

or else other IM will know slowly spread the information thus the original one start first their daily income surely drop because many people already know....

is hard to find those iM really willing to share ..Which I respect their generous

You post in so many threads using the same bad English. I apologize for nitpicking but I believe it's very difficult for anyone to understand what you're saying.

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Michael Fuentes

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Arissa Lockhart

You post in so many threads using the same bad English. I apologize for nitpicking but I believe it's very difficult for anyone to understand what you're saying.

His or her English is probably way better than your Chinese?

If you don't want to go through the challenge of understanding people who aren't fluent in the language you want, then you always have the option of skipping their posts ...

I for one can speak multiple languages, and I also spend a lot of time talking to people from a diverse set of countries. That's probably why I'm more patient and tend to welcome the challenge of speaking in these languages with all types of people from any part of the globe, but then again, that's just me ...

Also, may I remind you this is a forum that's open to the general public, and is on the Internet, and doesn't have any rules (last time I checked) when it comes to English fluency ...

This place is accessible to anyone anywhere in the world, and nobody's stopping anyone from using translation tools, so I think it's natural (and reasonable) to expect people from different countries trying to contribute their ideas and insights here (and I don't see any problem with that, since we can choose what to read and respond to)?

Just saying ...

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Arissa Lockhart

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Fuentes

His or her English is probably way better than your Chinese?

If you don't want to go through the challenge of understanding people who aren't fluent in the language you want, then you always have the option of skipping their posts ...

I for one can speak multiple languages, and I also spend a lot of time talking to people from a diverse set of countries. That's probably why I'm more patient and tend to welcome the challenge of speaking in these languages with all types of people from any part of the globe, but then again, that's just me ...

Also, may I remind you this is a forum that's open to the general public, and is on the Internet, and doesn't have any rules (last time I checked) when it comes to English fluency ...

This place is accessible to anyone anywhere in the world, and nobody's stopping anyone from using translation tools, so I think it's natural (and reasonable) to expect people from different countries trying to contribute their ideas and insights here (and I don't see any problem with that, since we can choose what to read and respond to)?

Just saying ...

My mandarin is excellent, dude. I studied the language for over 12 years. I speak, read, and write it well.

Look, fluency in English may not be a requirement here on the Warrior Forum BUT the purpose of any forum is for likeminded people to come together to COMMUNICATE with each other.

With such a bad command of the English language like his, I don't see how any form of communication can ever be done.

I don't care that you speak multiple languages. That's beside the point. When I come to an English-speaking forum, my posts are understandable by every English speaker in the world. When I visit a mandarin-speaking forum, my posts are understandable by every mandarin speaker in the world.

And since I can't speak basic French, I would be doing every one a favor on a French-speaking forum by not posting anything there in the first place.

Your suggestion about using translation tools to translate his post is quite mind boggling. C'mon. How the heck do you expect anyone to translate Bad English that makes absolutely no sense into Good English?

@Devilfish168 I've nothing against you so please don't take this the wrong way. I'm just saying there's a time and place for everything. You're probably a mandarin/dialect speaker -- I see the contextual clues in your sentence structures. I speak English and mandarin, and a couple of other mandarin dialects myself. Feel free to get in touch if you'd like to discuss money making ideas in a language I'm able to understand you in, and one that you won't have trouble expressing yourself with.

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Michael Fuentes

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Arissa Lockhart

My mandarin is excellent, dude. I studied the language for over 12 years. I speak, read, and write it well.

Good for you (keyword in my post = P-R-O-B-A-B-L-Y, though that's unimportant, since it isn't my point).

Originally Posted by Arissa Lockhart

With such a bad command of the English language like his, I don't see how any form of communication can ever be done.

Says you, right? Yeah, right. If you can't understand anyone here, then it's your problem, so I suggest you skip those posts and move on your merry way. Nothing to get worked up on, in my opinion ...

Originally Posted by Arissa Lockhart

That's beside the point. When I come to an English-speaking forum, my posts are understandable by every English speaker in the world. When I visit a mandarin-speaking forum, my posts are understandable by every mandarin speaker in the world.

Good for you.

Originally Posted by Arissa Lockhart

And since I can't speak basic French, I would be doing every one a favor on a French-speaking forum by not posting anything there in the first place.

Tell you what -- Perhaps you can do Devilfish168 and probably (P-R-O-B-A-B-L-Y) hundreds others here a favor, and just skip their posts if you don't understand them. I don't think they'd see it as a loss, anyway ...

Originally Posted by Arissa Lockhart

Your suggestion about using translation tools to translate his post is quite mind boggling. C'mon. How the heck do you expect anyone to translate Bad English that makes absolutely no sense into Good English?

Ah, a "duh" moment for you. Figures. Anyway, please allow me to enlighten you -- People use translation tools to translate their good whatever to whatever language they want. For example, native German speakers can use translation tools to translate their good German to English (could be "bad" English for you and others) or whatever language they want (could be "bad" whatever language for others). And, there are people who actually do this, yes, and accuracy could most likely improve with big data technology (just saying), yes, and no -- It's not rocket science (process of using translation tools to translate whatever you want to say, in any language, to another language) ...

Anyway, go ahead -- Have the last word (ah, there it is below), and continue complaining about posts you can't understand -- I don't care ...

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Arissa Lockhart

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Fuentes

Tell you what -- Perhaps you can do Devilfish168 and probably hundreds others here a favor, and just skip their posts if you don't understand them. I don't think they'd see it as a loss, anyway ...

Way to go in making such a sweeping generalization here. I understand 99% of everyone else's posts perfectly and don't appreciate you pulling numbers out of thin air. Telling me to skip hundreds of other people's posts? Really? Why are you trying to use the "the hundreds of us here versus the lonely you there" technique to get people on your side?

There are people who are not native speakers of English on this forum, and I understand their posts perfectly. A forum is a communication tool and they've communicated their points across excellently.

I'm not asking for people to write using the Queen's English. I'm asking people to put in some effort to make their posts readable and understandable.

Originally Posted by Michael Fuentes

Anyway, go ahead -- Have the last word, and continue complaining about posts you can't understand -- I don't care ...

People like you -- posting snarky responses like "I bet your Chinese isn't half as good as his English" to make me shut up -- and when that comes back to bite you, you end your attacks with "Oh la-di-da, oohhhh 'I don't care! Keep complaining!'"

Obviously you cared enough to reply me. If my posts irk you, I'd advise you to take your own advice and skip them altogether or just block me to make your life easier.

Originally Posted by Michael Fuentes

Ah, a "duh" moment for you. Figures. Anyway, please allow me to enlighten you -- People use translation tools to translate their good whatever to whatever language they want. For example, native German speakers can use translation tools to translate their good German to English (could be "bad" English for you and others) or whatever language they want (could be "bad" whatever language for others). And, there are people who actually do this, yes, and accuracy could most likely improve with big data technology (just saying), yes, and no -- It's not rocket science (process of using translation tools to translate whatever you want to say, in any language, to another language) ...

Anyway, go ahead -- Have the last word (ah, there it is below), and continue complaining about posts you can't understand -- I don't care ...

Seriosuly, dude. Cut it out. I'm not 5 anymore so don't talk down to me. I mentioned earlier that the purpose of a forum is for people to communicate and understand each other. If someone has to resort to translation tools to post hundreds of posts here, it probably means that someone has nothing better to do with his or her time.

I could go to a French forum right now and use translation tools to communicate with people there until the cows come home. And nothing would have been achieved at the end of the day because translation tools are not accurate and words and phrases get lost in translation.

Yea, yea. Be kind, be patient, be understanding, be an upright citizen of the world. Be loving, be accepting, be gracious and nice. Or so you say. Devilfish168 can take my comments and do something about it... like sign up for English classes and gain a new advantage in life; get his questions answered properly here because people now understand him. OR he can be mollycoddled by people like you who preach about being generous of heart and kind and accepting, and then he'd just continue to flail around here misunderstanding everything via translation tools (as suggested) and not grow with the times.

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trevord92

9 years ago

You can only find out so much about a business model by observing it as an outsider.

There are certain things that happen behind the scenes that you won't be able to find out. Even relatively simple things like which keywords someone is bidding on, what their click through rate is, whether or not they're targeting by time of day or location or (if it's Facebook) lots of other factors.

Then they may well have a different email sequence for buyers versus non-buyers. Or closed door meetings or customer appreciation events or lots of other things.

And plenty of other things that happen differently when you're in their sales funnel or have dropped out of it and maybe need to be revived as a customer.

Of course, how much of that you'll find out in a product is another question entirely.

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Brent Stangel

9 years ago

It goes against all logical business practices to give away the secrets that make you money.

That's nonsense.

The only way that would be true is if they are direct competitors.

I tell people, all the time, exactly how I make money and all the "secrets."

#1 Most will never be my direct competition.

#2 Most will never do anything with the information.

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NeedBucksNow

9 years ago

Good post and while I agree that most things you can find on the internet for free, there are certain things worth paying for. Such as finding the methods that have already worked for somebody else or them doing a service for you, such as building a website. I would say that most people are just looking for a way to make money overnight, without having to actually spend any amount of time working on it. I know from experience that this is very rare, and if you truly want to find a way to make anything online, you have to be willing to take action. The people that have been successful online have probably invested a considerable amount of time and money towards getting a ton of targeted traffic

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Internet Trillionaire

9 years ago

Originally Posted by dad2four

1. There are no secrets on the internet. You can't hide your business model on the web. Because of this you can discover EXACTLY how any business on the web is operating. I'd like to add to this, that there is no reason what so ever to spend money to learn this information. Your brain will try to fool you into thinking the opposite because deep down inside you believe that someone will sell you these "secrets", but trust me on this, the won't.

4. You will never know if something will work until you try. And there are more things that will work than you can ever imagine.

I agree that you can model a paid online business model totally for free with the proper research and time investment to set it up. But you have the risk of it all being taken down for reasons beyond your control.

It's best to invest the money you make online from your free efforts in paid hosting eventually once you've done enough testing or made enough sales to prove your product sales page will convert best for you.

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Ayawa

9 years ago

Originally Posted by dad2four

1. There are no secrets on the internet. You can't hide your business model on the web. Because of this you can discover EXACTLY how any business on the web is operating. I'd like to add to this, that there is no reason what so ever to spend money to learn this information. Your brain will try to fool you into thinking the opposite because deep down inside you believe that someone will sell you these "secrets", but trust me on this, the won't.

I. On the internet, what you still don't know is the secret.

II. You can't hide the business model but you can hide its implementation procedural.

III. There are reasons to spend money.
i. There are some legit internet gurus who still reveal true secrets.
ii. Internet gurus who have realized that people are lazy, expose their secrets.

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selfdisciplineacademy

9 years ago

''Secrets'' is just a word for something, that most people don't know about...

So, most of the time ''secrets'' is used in the right context, in internet marketing

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Brandon Lukas

9 years ago

Yes there is secrets

LOL I'm only sharing mine through my coaching!

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DoubleDi

9 years ago

@dad2four, agree with you, great info

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NevinC

9 years ago

Not really true. I've a couple of secrets I keep close to my chest

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Daaria

9 years ago

Originally Posted by dad2four

1. There are no secrets on the internet. You can't hide your business model on the web. Because of this you can discover EXACTLY how any business on the web is operating. I'd like to add to this, that there is no reason what so ever to spend money to learn this information. Your brain will try to fool you into thinking the opposite because deep down inside you believe that someone will sell you these "secrets", but trust me on this, the won't.

I don't think you can steal this trade because you cannot understand WHY someone does something without a proper foundation. Sure you can read words, you can see site structure, but you won't understand the WHY without some training.

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ceeczar

9 years ago

Originally Posted by dad2four

Hello all. I haven't been to the forum in a while and now that I'm back I'm seeing that many vets seem to have bailed and there are many noobs so I thought I would offer up some info for you. If the info that I present here is put into action, your life will change for the better I promise.

1. There are no secrets on the internet. You can't hide your business model on the web. Because of this you can discover EXACTLY how any business on the web is operating. I'd like to add to this, that there is no reason what so ever to spend money to learn this information. Your brain will try to fool you into thinking the opposite because deep down inside you believe that someone will sell you these "secrets", but trust me on this, the won't.

2. You can find ways to scam people out of their money by being the one to make these false promises, but you will lose self respect. It can be difficult to resist this temptation but I highly recommend you take a legit path as you will be far happier and proud of your accomplishments.

3. It goes against all logical business practices to give away the secrets that make you money. Yes there are mutually beneficial relationships that can occur such as the relationship between Apple and Microsoft, however these are only done when both parties see that they may sill have the edge on their competitor.

4. You will never know if something will work until you try. And there are more things that will work than you can ever imagine. Also, dive in and get started and down the road you will most likely following a different path than you planned. I had a convo with a business owner just last weekend that started a business years ago selling office supplies such as file folders and paper. The computer eventually destroyed his business so he morphed into a Purchase Order Processing company and is currently working on becoming a software reseller providing software products that compliment software that most companies already possess.

Ok, I have babbled enough for now. I just had this stuff on my mind this morning so I thought I would share.

Have a great day!

I think you're forgetting something: TIME.

Yes, if you had all the time in the world, you
could find out all the information you need.

But you don't have all the time in the world.
That's why you buy some information to save time.

And don't blame anyone for calling the
information a "secret". For one, until you know
it, it's a secret to you. Not only that,
everybody wants to know what's hidden.

So don't blame the marketers.

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dad2four

9 years ago

You'll notice, those that claim that there are secrets offer coaching or some other product selling the "secrets".

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dad2four

9 years ago

My intent in my comments about "secrets" was that you can follow in the footsteps of any successful person you want that does business on the web. Of course there are components to any business that can't necessarily be discovered through research on internet. For example, although Amazon is in large a website, much of what makes Amazon click happens behind the scenes such as there warehousing and shipping, etc etc.

The point is, you will gain your greatest education through ACTION. You will learn things noone else knows and noone else can teach by acting. You will head off in a new direction once you get going because you see a better way to accomplish something or something that makes more money.

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Berku

9 years ago

You can call it secret or directing people to the right path to earn online, there are products online that show you the main core strategies, it personally took me about one year to start earning online but if i found right products before, i don't need to spend so much figuring out myself alone.
I am still buying products from real millionaires and everytime get atleast one usefull advice to earn more.My advice is to analyse product few days watch reviews and then make decision, it definitely can be useful, but the main think is to take action!

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Dilip Mane

9 years ago

Those, who procrastinate, may easily get entrapped into the propaganda of so called secrets on the internet. The psychology like there is an effortless and quick money on internet which most of the people possess adds fuel to that propaganda.

Those, who believe in taking actions, along their path to success not only find that there are no secrets as such but also find that they have discovered new things that work for them but can be secrets for others who spend their time in gaining information only.

Yes a business model cannot be a secret to any marketer. The only thing is the methods to implement a particular business model may vary from marketer to marketer. But again, those methods too, cannot be said as secrets because eventually its the result that matters out of that business model and not the method.

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