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Why isnt' everybody doing this?

by creative
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Hi warriors!
I have been using Aweber for a long time. I am pleased with their services.
The thing is that I now have nearly 10k subs, and as soon as I reach that number, the monthly payment will go from $69 to $149.
Sure, there are cheaper alternatives like MadMini but in my research I have found other much cheaper alternatives that I understand require you to install a script or software in your cpanel.
I think this is the case for sendy.co or arpreach.
In Fiverr there are people who install a script on your cpanel. You pay only once and then you are good to go.
For beatiful webforms you can use Optinmonster or something similar.
That option can save you a lot of money every month, but my question is...
Why is not everybody doing this?
Am I missing something?
I will appreciate your answers.
Thanks a lot
  • Profile picture of the author HN
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    ¡Hola!
    A few reasons.
    1. People just don't know how easy it is to install the script or even write one from the scratch.
    2. You need a lot of IP addresses. If you send 10K emails from your web server the IP may get blacklisted. Not sure how Awaber handles this.
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    • Profile picture of the author creative
      Originally Posted by HN View Post

      ¡Hola!
      A few reasons.
      1. People just don't know how easy it is to install the script or even write one from the scratch.
      2. You need a lot of IP addresses. If you send 10K emails from your web server the IP may get blacklisted. Not sure how Awaber handles this.
      Oh, I see..
      There are people who can install it for you for $15 in Fiverr.
      As for the IPs, I have no idea...
      Thank you for your input!
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  • Profile picture of the author mrgoe
    One simple script doesn t fix everything... professional services ensure that you can actually send the message to all your subscribers with no hassle. Getting subs isn t the hardest part, being able to send messages without getting blocked is..
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    • Profile picture of the author creative
      Originally Posted by mrgoe View Post

      One simple script doesn t fix everything... professional services ensure that you can actually send the message to all your subscribers with no hassle. Getting subs isn t the hardest part, being able to send messages without getting blocked is..
      You are probably right...
      So, you think this is not true?
      http:// arpreach. com/ delivery
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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    yeah that script is not as easy as it might seem. There is a lot of back behind the scenes things that you need to do to email your list.

    Try infusionsoft and you'll pay a lot more but you get a lot more as well....

    How is your relationship with your list? Whats your average open rate?
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    • Profile picture of the author creative
      Originally Posted by EPoltrack77 View Post

      yeah that script is not as easy as it might seem. There is a lot of back behind the scenes things that you need to do to email your list.

      Try infusionsoft and you'll pay a lot more but you get a lot more as well....

      How is your relationship with your list? Whats your average open rate?
      My relationship with my list I would say is good. My average open rate is 18%.
      Is this any good?
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      • Profile picture of the author Darryl Smith
        Originally Posted by creative View Post

        My relationship with my list I would say is good. My average open rate is 18%.
        Is this any good?
        Most marketers would give their left arm to get opening rates like that. How do you do it...maybe - just maybe its time you did a 'list relationship' WSO
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        • Profile picture of the author creative
          Originally Posted by Darryl Smith View Post

          Most marketers would give their left arm to get opening rates like that. How do you do it...maybe - just maybe its time you did a 'list relationship' WSO
          Thanks, Darryl! You made my day
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          • Profile picture of the author creative
            Thank you Rob and David, and all the people who have posted in this thread!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
    I moved to self hosted a long time ago and love it. More and more people are moving to self hosted. One key is to manage your spam complaint percentages by using multiple SMTP services. Also with self hosted, if you have a problem with a particular SMTP services, it only takes a few seconds to change over to a different one.

    Now if you want to send from your own sever and not use a SMTP service, that is a completely different ball game and is not for everyone. Lot's more to do and manage.

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    • Profile picture of the author creative
      Originally Posted by Rob Whisonant View Post

      I moved to self hosted a long time ago and love it. More and more people are moving to self hosted. One key is to manage your spam complaint percentages by using multiple SMTP services. Also with self hosted, if you have a problem with a particular SMTP services, it only takes a few seconds to change over to a different one.

      Now if you want to send from your own sever and not use a SMTP service, that is a completely different ball game and is not for everyone. Lot's more to do and manage.

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      Can I ask you how do you use multiple SMTP services? I mean, is it through some kind of program or subscription?
      Thank you!
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      • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
        Originally Posted by creative View Post

        Can I ask you how do you use multiple SMTP services? I mean, is it through some kind of program or subscription?
        Thank you!
        The self hosted mailer program lets you set what SMTP service you use. You just change a few settings to change services as needed.

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      • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
        Originally Posted by creative View Post

        Can I ask you how do you use multiple SMTP services? I mean, is it through some kind of program or subscription?
        Thank you!
        Originally Posted by Rob Whisonant View Post

        The self hosted mailer program lets you set what SMTP service you use. You just change a few settings to change services as needed.
        In theory, one could even rotate through a set of accounts, if one was suitably motivated. I've never tried this, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
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  • Profile picture of the author IncomeWitness
    Originally Posted by creative View Post

    Hi warriors!
    I have been using Aweber for a long time. I am pleased with their services.
    The thing is that I now have nearly 10k subs, and as soon as I reach that number, the monthly payment will go from $69 to $149.
    Sure, there are cheaper alternatives like MadMini but in my research I have found other much cheaper alternatives that I understand require you to install a script or software in your cpanel.
    I think this is the case for sendy.co or arpreach.
    In Fiverr there are people who install a script on your cpanel. You pay only once and then you are good to go.
    For beatiful webforms you can use Optinmonster or something similar.
    That option can save you a lot of money every month, but my question is...
    Why is not everybody doing this?
    Am I missing something?
    I will appreciate your answers.
    Thanks a lot
    It's all about DELIVERY. If you have a lot of subscribers but most of the emails you send out are ending up in their spam folders, you're going to make a lot less money.
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  • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
    I look at this scenario a different way.

    Sure, when one hits 10,000 subscribers the monthly fee goes up but that monthly fee is RELATIVE to the money one makes.

    Example, I have well over 200,000 subs in a few niches and I pay a hefty fee for that. I pay much more than I did when I only had 10,000 subscribers.

    BUT I also make much more than I did with only 10,000 subs so I don't care about the higher fee.

    My list does, and always wil, pay for itself. I know exactly how much money each address is worth and as long as that collective figure is greater than the cost of maintaining the list, I'm good.

    I implore everyone to think of it this way and stop tripping over dollars to chase pennies.

    I DO also have Arp Reach, a self hosted solution but that's SOLEY for backup and redundancy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by creative View Post

    Why is not everybody doing this?

    What you're not seeing is the "behind the scenes" process of sending out lots of emails.

    If I tried to send large amounts of email on a regular basis my hosting service would shut me down quickly.

    In addition, companies whose business is email delivery work very hard to keep their service white-listed and out of spam folders. The same can't be said for your private email service or script.

    I have seen estimates that suggest up to 75% of all commercial email never reaches the inbox of the intended party. That's what aWeber and other professional services work hard to overcome.

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    • Profile picture of the author creative
      I understand..
      Thank you everyone!
      If anyone has another idea or suggestion, please, post it here.
      Thanks again
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