DoFollow vs NoFollow & Quality vs Quantity...I've got a headache...ugh.

Wiggy0618 · 11-15-2009, 05:18 PM

Ok, as an IMer who knows enough to know what he needs to know and research, but not yet being a complete expert, I'm getting confused as all get-out with some of this stuff...

Here is what I'm doing, what I'm finding, and what my questions are...

Doing #1 - I've setup a new website that will sell an info-product. I've got articles on that site (a little over 10). I also have another 10 (with 9 more ready, and another 5-10 after that) articles that I will be using for article marketing via articles directories. New site is set to debut on Tuesday. I've submitted my promotional articles to 13-14 articles sites, and will be doing so with the rest soon. The purpose of the article marketing is to build backlinks for SEO purposes of the index page of my site.

Doing #2 - After that project is rolling along, I want to do some affiliate article marketing. The main purpose here will be to get an article (likely via EZA) to rank high for specific keywords, and use that article to drive traffic to an affiliate link (will likely have my own url which will redirect to a clickbank hoplink). This was described heavily in this thread - How can you make $10,000 a month with article marketing?

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As far as article marketing goes, I was getting article directories from this list - List Of Top 50 Article Directories By Traffic, PageRank

Now, I know that dofollow vs nofollow is a 'hot' topic these days, and everybody is saying to not mess with nofollow directories (as far as building backlinks and SEO goes).

The same goes for social bookmarking, which I planned on doing for: 1) the articles on my new site, 2) EZA articles published for my site, 3)EZA articles published for my affiliate efforts.

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Dumb question time:

1 - I'm assuming the dofollow vs nofollow thing is worth paying attention to, right? I know that some folks make mountains out of molehills, but this is definitely worth knowing which sites are which?

2 - How are you supposed to know what sources of info can be trusted? For example, this link (dated 25-Sept-09) - Updated: Lists of Social Bookmarking Sites | RadenPayas.com - says Digg is dofollow, yet this link (dated earlier in the month on 02-Sept-09) - Digg Goes Nofollow to Reduce Spam - Search Marketing News Blog - Search Engine Watch (SEW) - says Digg is going to nofollow. Is Digg worth messing with or not?

3 - Along those same lines, is it really worth going to all these articles and social media sites, or am I better off just picking the 'top dogs' in each, and submitting to those only, not worrying about the rest?

And if this is the case, just which directories/sites are the 'top dogs'? I'm assuming for articles, it's EZA, articlesbase, and goarticles. Any others? (I'd also say isnare, but since it seems like it's taking months to get them to publish anything...)

For social bookmarking, I'm assuming Digg, Stumble, Tehnorati, Delicious, and Propeller. Any others here?

I'm not looking for a 'perfect' system here, just trying to make sure that I'm not wasting a bunch of time. I don't mind putting the work in, but only as long as I'm getting the most bang for my buck. And when I try to research it, half the info I find is all contradictory...

HELP! ;-) Thanks.

Alexa Smith · 11-15-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiggy0618

Dumb question time:

There are no dumb questions, when it comes to this stuff!

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Originally Posted by Wiggy0618

I'm assuming the dofollow vs nofollow thing is worth paying attention to, right?

I'm no expert on this at all, but I've always more or less assumed the opposite, myself. Will be interested to see other replies.

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Originally Posted by Wiggy0618

How are you supposed to know what sources of info can be trusted?

I suspect that, for most of us, one's judgment on this issue is just about the biggest single determinant of one's success in internet marketing.

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Originally Posted by Wiggy0618

when I try to research it, half the info I find is all contradictory...

I hear you there. And am hoping James and/or Jay will reply to your questions, because I can assure you faithfully (and have earnings to prove it) that they know what they're talking about.

Wiggy0618 · 11-15-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I'm no expert on this at all, but I've always more or less assumed the opposite, myself. Will be interested to see other replies.

No kidding? Why is that?

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Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I hear you there. And am hoping James and/or Jay will reply to your questions, because I can assure you faithfully (and have earnings to prove it) that they know what they're talking about.

Hope so - I like hearing from people smarter than myself...LOL!

And if this kinda stuff has already been covered before (as I'm sure it has), if anybody just wants to post a link to the thread, I'll be more than glad to go do my own reading. (I'm not looking to be spoon fed if it's already been done to death...lol).

Mike Anthony · 11-15-2009, 06:05 PM

1) In FireFox go to Tools
2) Click add ons
3) click "browse all addons"
4) when the add on page loads do a search for "nofollow"
5) click the green "add to Firefox button"
6) follow directions to install
7) restart Firefox

When you go to any page left click your mouse and select nodofollow

Any link that shows pink to red is nofollow
Any link that shows a purplish color is dofollow

Mike Shain · 11-15-2009, 06:18 PM

Hi Wiggy0618,

Take several minutes to watch these videos on backlinks. You WILL learn something - I promise!

30DC Day 27 - Market Samurai Promotion Module

30DC Day 27 - Backlink Opportunities

30DC Day 27 - Pingbacks

30DC Day 27 - Competitor Link Analysis

30DC Day 28 - High Authority Back Links

Good luck!

Wiggy0618 · 11-15-2009, 10:32 PM

Mike Anthony - thanks a ton! Got it installed and will def. use it!

Mike Shain - thanks to you as well! I will watch those vids over thoroughly and see what I can learn!

11-15-2009, 10:54 PM

DoFollow and NoFollow mean nothing and this has been proven many times. Do yourself a favor and ignore those that say only post to dofollow sites.

I got this from one of my authors a few days ago

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I noticed that your directory page rank has went up and not just
on the main page but even the pages that my articles is on . I know this is
not because you have been sitting back and twiddling your thumbs

Guess what ... I pay no attention to dofollow and nofollow at all because the fact is they mean nothing. I post my links anyplace I can post them and I do not waste my time wondering if a site is dofollow or not. Many sites are no follow like digg.com, clipmarks.com, articlesbase.com, and etc.. Yet it still gives link juice and still helps increase your rankings.

As far as posting to sites, post to as many as you can.. Do not just post on those so-called top sites. Just becuase 1 person says a site is a top site for them does not mean it will be for everyone.

Do yourself another favor - Test Stuff, stop listening to others and test. This is the best way to find out what sites will work for you and what sites will not.

James

Mike Anthony · 11-15-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

DoFollow and NoFollow mean nothing and this has been proven many times.

Link to proof please (not opinion).

11-15-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Link to proof please (not opinion).

Search the forums and go do your own testing... I have already spent enough time proving this.

James

Paul Lear · 11-16-2009, 06:44 AM

Very interesting discussion guys, I was wondering this myself.

I tend to trust what James says, he seems very knowledgeable on the subject and always gives good advice.

I've never really paid attention to whether a blog is dofollow or not. That was mainly because I've only been doing this for about 4-5 months, and didn't even know what dofollow was.

It seem s to me that this is one of those subjects that you'll never get everyone to agree on. But I will continue to get backlinks from any targeted place I can regardless of if the site is dofollow or not.

Paul.

Mr Brightside · 11-16-2009, 06:46 AM

Thanks for this post. I am finding myself in a similar situation.

ArticleDirectory · 11-16-2009, 10:13 AM

Follow/NoFollow
While I subscribe to the rule of thinking that you should obtain any quality link from a relevant source that has the potential to send targeted (human) traffic to your page… for the purpose of obtaining the highest quality inbound links, you’ll want to get a good number of links that do not have the NoFollow attribute

Mike Anthony · 11-16-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Search the forums and go do your own testing... I have already spent enough time proving this.

James

NO thanks. I don't want to go on a wild goose chase. I have already done my own and am well aware there are people on both sides of the issue that claim proof. Just wanted to see if you brought anything new to that debate.

Mike Anthony · 11-16-2009, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArticleDirectory

Follow/NoFollow
While I subscribe to the rule of thinking that you should obtain any quality link from a relevant source that has the potential to send targeted (human) traffic to your page… for the purpose of obtaining the highest quality inbound links, you’ll want to get a good number of links that do not have the NoFollow attribute

Yep. pretty much agree with that . The end result is traffic and if a link gets you there then who cares whether its nofollow. However as you stated if you are looking toward HIgh PR I see no reason not to get dofollow links. There are an abundance of them available.

Wiggy0618 · 11-17-2009, 03:32 PM

Thanks for all the info, gang - I really appreciate it.

James, I've been around here long enough to know that you're pretty sharp on the subject, so I'll take your word for it. I don't need to know all the 'hows and whys' right now - just the 'what'.

And good advice on testing - I plan to heed it. I'm just in a position that I'm trying out pretty much a new plan of action in a new niche - much of this I don't have experience in. If I find little success, it'd be pretty tough for me at this point in my IM career/experience to narrow it down to exactly what to alter and when for testing purposes.

ArticleDirectory - Thanks for your opinion, and I understand completely. With what I'm doing, the jury is still out (for me) just how much traffic will come from the articles themselves anyway. I'm using this more for PR and SEO purposes than anything. If I get extra traffic from the articles themselves, then all the better. But my main goal is to get my site high in the SEs.

All that said, in another thread, I asked about the service at socialmarker.com - basically a mass submission service for social bookmarking sites. I've found a couple like these since then.

One of the responses in that thread stated that mass submission services/software/etc like that don't get the results that posting manually/individually to the specific bookmarking site does.

Why would that be? That doesn't make any sense to me...

11-15-2009, 06:05 PM	#4
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11-15-2009, 06:18 PM	#5
Mike Shain HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 354 Thanks: 103 Thanked 56 Times in 43 Posts	Re: DoFollow vs NoFollow & Quality vs Quantity...I've got a headache...ugh. Hi Wiggy0618, Take several minutes to watch these videos on backlinks. You WILL learn something - I promise! 30DC Day 27 - Market Samurai Promotion Module 30DC Day 27 - Backlink Opportunities 30DC Day 27 - Pingbacks 30DC Day 27 - Competitor Link Analysis 30DC Day 28 - High Authority Back Links Good luck!

11-15-2009, 10:32 PM	#6
Wiggy0618 All-American Nightmare War Room Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cameron, NC USA. Posts: 219 Thanks: 32 Thanked 81 Times in 40 Posts Social Networking	Re: DoFollow vs NoFollow & Quality vs Quantity...I've got a headache...ugh. Mike Anthony - thanks a ton! Got it installed and will def. use it! Mike Shain - thanks to you as well! I will watch those vids over thoroughly and see what I can learn!

11-16-2009, 06:44 AM	#10
Paul Lear Active Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 54 Thanks: 14 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Social Networking	Re: DoFollow vs NoFollow & Quality vs Quantity...I've got a headache...ugh. Very interesting discussion guys, I was wondering this myself. I tend to trust what James says, he seems very knowledgeable on the subject and always gives good advice. I've never really paid attention to whether a blog is dofollow or not. That was mainly because I've only been doing this for about 4-5 months, and didn't even know what dofollow was. It seem s to me that this is one of those subjects that you'll never get everyone to agree on. But I will continue to get backlinks from any targeted place I can regardless of if the site is dofollow or not. Paul.
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11-16-2009, 06:46 AM	#11
Mr Brightside Warrior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: DoFollow vs NoFollow & Quality vs Quantity...I've got a headache...ugh. Thanks for this post. I am finding myself in a similar situation.

11-15-2009, 05:18 PM	#1
Wiggy0618 All-American Nightmare War Room Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cameron, NC USA. Posts: 219 Thanks: 32 Thanked 81 Times in 40 Posts Social Networking	DoFollow vs NoFollow & Quality vs Quantity...I've got a headache...ugh. Ok, as an IMer who knows enough to know what he needs to know and research, but not yet being a complete expert, I'm getting confused as all get-out with some of this stuff... Here is what I'm doing, what I'm finding, and what my questions are... Doing #1 - I've setup a new website that will sell an info-product. I've got articles on that site (a little over 10). I also have another 10 (with 9 more ready, and another 5-10 after that) articles that I will be using for article marketing via articles directories. New site is set to debut on Tuesday. I've submitted my promotional articles to 13-14 articles sites, and will be doing so with the rest soon. The purpose of the article marketing is to build backlinks for SEO purposes of the index page of my site. Doing #2 - After that project is rolling along, I want to do some affiliate article marketing. The main purpose here will be to get an article (likely via EZA) to rank high for specific keywords, and use that article to drive traffic to an affiliate link (will likely have my own url which will redirect to a clickbank hoplink). This was described heavily in this thread - How can you make $10,000 a month with article marketing? ------------- As far as article marketing goes, I was getting article directories from this list - List Of Top 50 Article Directories By Traffic, PageRank Now, I know that dofollow vs nofollow is a 'hot' topic these days, and everybody is saying to not mess with nofollow directories (as far as building backlinks and SEO goes). The same goes for social bookmarking, which I planned on doing for: 1) the articles on my new site, 2) EZA articles published for my site, 3)EZA articles published for my affiliate efforts. ------------- Dumb question time: 1 - I'm assuming the dofollow vs nofollow thing is worth paying attention to, right? I know that some folks make mountains out of molehills, but this is definitely worth knowing which sites are which? 2 - How are you supposed to know what sources of info can be trusted? For example, this link (dated 25-Sept-09) - Updated: Lists of Social Bookmarking Sites \| RadenPayas.com - says Digg is dofollow, yet this link (dated earlier in the month on 02-Sept-09) - Digg Goes Nofollow to Reduce Spam - Search Marketing News Blog - Search Engine Watch (SEW) - says Digg is going to nofollow. Is Digg worth messing with or not? 3 - Along those same lines, is it really worth going to all these articles and social media sites, or am I better off just picking the 'top dogs' in each, and submitting to those only, not worrying about the rest? And if this is the case, just which directories/sites are the 'top dogs'? I'm assuming for articles, it's EZA, articlesbase, and goarticles. Any others? (I'd also say isnare, but since it seems like it's taking months to get them to publish anything...) For social bookmarking, I'm assuming Digg, Stumble, Tehnorati, Delicious, and Propeller. Any others here? I'm not looking for a 'perfect' system here, just trying to make sure that I'm not wasting a bunch of time. I don't mind putting the work in, but only as long as I'm getting the most bang for my buck. And when I try to research it, half the info I find is all contradictory... HELP! ;-) Thanks.

11-16-2009, 10:13 AM	#12
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11-17-2009, 03:32 PM	#15
Wiggy0618 All-American Nightmare War Room Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cameron, NC USA. Posts: 219 Thanks: 32 Thanked 81 Times in 40 Posts Social Networking	Re: DoFollow vs NoFollow & Quality vs Quantity...I've got a headache...ugh. Thanks for all the info, gang - I really appreciate it. James, I've been around here long enough to know that you're pretty sharp on the subject, so I'll take your word for it. I don't need to know all the 'hows and whys' right now - just the 'what'. And good advice on testing - I plan to heed it. I'm just in a position that I'm trying out pretty much a new plan of action in a new niche - much of this I don't have experience in. If I find little success, it'd be pretty tough for me at this point in my IM career/experience to narrow it down to exactly what to alter and when for testing purposes. ArticleDirectory - Thanks for your opinion, and I understand completely. With what I'm doing, the jury is still out (for me) just how much traffic will come from the articles themselves anyway. I'm using this more for PR and SEO purposes than anything. If I get extra traffic from the articles themselves, then all the better. But my main goal is to get my site high in the SEs. All that said, in another thread, I asked about the service at socialmarker.com - basically a mass submission service for social bookmarking sites. I've found a couple like these since then. One of the responses in that thread stated that mass submission services/software/etc like that don't get the results that posting manually/individually to the specific bookmarking site does. Why would that be? That doesn't make any sense to me...