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i need to find a good sales page writer

by Shlomi Khutoretsky
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that dont charge too much

anyone can help ?
#find #letter #sales #writet
  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Hi articlerelated,

    You'll need to provide a few more piece of information:

    1. What is your definition of "too much?" There are copywriters on this board that charge a range of fees. (Though "good" sales page writers don't tend to be on the low end. Usually.)

    2. What niche?


    Finally, you may want to post this request in the copywriting forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shlomi Khutoretsky
      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      Hi articlerelated,

      You'll need to provide a few more piece of information:

      1. What is your definition of "too much?" There are copywriters on this board that charge a range of fees. (Though "good" sales page writers don't tend to be on the low end. Usually.)

      2. What niche?


      Finally, you may want to post this request in the copywriting forum.

      the niche is:
      profiting from domain reselling

      it's some kind of report for new domainers

      and i dont know what is the minimum fee for salles pages, thats why i am asking for help

      thakns

      shlomi k.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shlomi Khutoretsky
    lol
    why are the prices so high ?
    i can write it myself but i am not a professional
    i am sure for a pro it will take less then an hour to create this
    so really why they charge so high?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by articlerelated View Post

      lol
      why are the prices so high ?
      i can write it myself but i am not a professional
      i am sure for a pro it will take less then an hour to create this
      so really why they charge so high?
      You obviously have NO idea what goes into writing sales copy.

      An hour?

      In your dreams.

      There is researching the target market to find out what their hot buttons
      are, there's getting JUST the right headline, which means choosing
      several and split testing them.

      There is so much involved, it would make your head spin.

      THAT is why these guys charge so much.

      So, you have two choices.

      1. Realize what it takes to get great sales copy written for you and pay it.

      2. Do it yourself.

      It's THAT simple.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
        Steven is right, there is loads that goes into copywriting to make the reader buy your product.

        However take a look at a few good sales pages and see how they lay out the page, their wording etc...

        Also I think i saw a WSO that is a copywriting video follow through which may be an option.

        Also I am not a copywriter but here are some tips:

        For your headline and bullet points try to mention BENEFITS not FEATURES.

        Focus on what the user will get out of the product, how does it help them?

        That is what I try to do when writing sales pages however you can go more in depth but that should give you a start.

        There is no point in paying $100 or anything like that as I am willing to bet that you will not get good copy.

        Hope this helps and Good Luck!

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      • Profile picture of the author Shlomi Khutoretsky
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        You obviously have NO idea what goes into writing sales copy.

        An hour?

        In your dreams.

        There is researching the target market to find out what their hot buttons
        are, there's getting JUST the right headline, which means choosing
        several and split testing them.

        There is so much involved, it would make your head spin.

        THAT is why these guys charge so much.

        So, you have two choices.

        1. Realize what it takes to get great sales copy written for you and pay it.

        2. Do it yourself.

        It's THAT simple.
        i agree with you after i read your post

        but it doesn't change the fact that its still expensive for me at this stage as i m a newbie and trying to earn from my first product without forcing my family to starve.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by articlerelated View Post

          i agree with you after i read your post

          but it doesn't change the fact that its still expensive for me at this stage as i m a newbie and trying to earn from my first product without forcing my family to starve.
          Well, here's the problem, like it or not.

          Without killer sales copy, your family WILL starve IF you're relying on making
          sales to feed them, because with crappy copy, you have ZERO chance.

          When I was FORCED to get into this business (I lost my job) I was out of
          work for 3 years when I turned to IM. I was dirt broke and still managed to
          come up with the money I needed to make my business work.

          You do it right or you don't do it at all.

          You can scrimp in other areas, such as advertising. Article writing, if you
          can write a decent article with a decent call to action, can get you
          prospects to your site. Then, with a strong sales page, you have a chance
          to make some sales. Aside from the sales copy, you can do this virtually
          for nothing.

          Again, you can do it right or don't do it at all.

          Just my 2 cents on the subject.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Okay, here we go down this same road we've been down not too long
            ago where I basically had my head handed to me because I said that this
            business wasn't for everybody.

            Since I don't want to go down that road again, fine, I'll concede. Anybody
            who wants to make money online can do it.

            So here's the first thing you have to do, and I've been told under no
            uncertain terms that anybody can do this.

            You have to work on your English. It is so-so at best. If you're going to
            communicate with prospects, you have to communicate with a professional
            style. That means, either YOU have to do it on your own or hire somebody
            who can do it for you. There are no other options. But right now (I've read
            your posts and your PMs to me) you have to work very hard on your
            communication skills. There is no way around this.

            Second. You said in your PM to me that you're confused. That you don't
            know where to begin.

            Okay, you have two choices here.

            1. Get a solid home study course that has been generally accepted to be
            one that will truly help you set up a home business and run it. I know of
            one. Nitro Marketing Blueprint. I can honestly say that it is as solid as it
            gets. It is EXACTLY what I did (long before it came out) to get to where
            I am. You will NOT go wrong by getting it. It's not cheap (about $237) but
            it is worth every penny. It will save you the time of having to dig up all
            this stuff in bits and pieces on your own and will give you a solid step by
            step plan.

            2. Get a mentor...somebody who will essentially do what Nitro Marketing
            will do but walk you through the process and answer any of your questions
            along the way. This is a much more expensive option, but I feel a better
            one.

            Of course there is a third choice. Do neither and just do what you're doing
            and hope that one day you stumble upon something that "works".

            IMO, either you're serious about this or you're not. If you're not, THEN I
            would say this isn't for you and I think there everybody will agree with me
            because ability or no ability, if you're not serious about your business and
            don't put the time into it, it's not going to work.

            I hope this helps at least a little.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Check out the WSO. ncole is offering salesletter at $197. Not bad actually.
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  • Profile picture of the author erinwrites
    Incidentally, you never actually answered the question asked by R Hagel: How much is too much? Knowing what kind of budget you hope to stick to will help us help you Even if your budget is lower than some people charge, we might be able to point you to helpful resources that you can afford!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Toth
      >> the minimum fee for salles pages,

      This is your SALES REP. It is the reason you make sales... and you want just a "minimum" for it?? Interesting.



      >> Copywriters may charge upto $5000,

      Oh they can charge much much more than that. $5000 is somewhat average. Try $50,000+ for top copywriters. They charge that much because for a large enough campaign, the differnce in their copy vs. the copy of someone less skilled means HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of extra dollars for the merchant.



      >> Believe me you can write the best sales copy as you know your product best!

      Ah! THere's some sound advice. Entirely false and obviously from a novice.



      >> i am sure for a pro it will take less then an hour to create this
      so really why they charge so high?

      To write a proper salesletter for a product? An hour? Unlikely. I take DAYS to write much of my copy and could take 1-2 weeks.



      >> There is usually some decent copywriters offering there services for
      between $197 and $997.

      Price is not the best way to gauge obviously but solid recommendation from Paul as the WSO does have some talented writers offering their services from time to time.

      However, I had a colleague purchase a $600 sales letter and it was absolute garbage. Want words that compel? Understand that buying a virtual sales rep (your salesletter) who will work for you 24/7 and will be THE reason you earn an income is NOT a $50 investment.



      >> but it doesn't change the fact that its still expensive for me at this stage as i m a newbie and trying to earn from my first product without forcing my family to starve.

      Okay!! Very valid point. It's also likely that your campaign (ie: traffic) wouldn't be nearly big enough to justify a $20k copywriter. So for "newbie" needs, you should still be looking in the $297-$497 range and should still skim through the writer's portfolio first. That will give you a basic webpage that will say 'I'm here and I've got some stuff to sell you". It won't have much magic to it, but that's fine... make your sales slowly, re-invest the profits.

      That being said, I *now* presonally share Steven's rebuttal. Although, when I was getting started, I likely would have written that off as nonsense... but he's right, this is one of those areas where you might need to push the budget and fight through it somehow because it is a very critical part of the puzzle.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by alexa_s View Post

        Hi Shlomi, and good Yom Tov to you.

        Steven is totally right with both his posts above.

        Ok, here's the thing ... I'm a good writer who has never written a professional long-copy sales page before. I've been learning copywriting and I want to try one. I've written and edited many dissertations (my own and other people's), book reviews, essays, some advertising, and some great articles, but I have nothing online to show you. Take a chance with me, and I'll take a chance with you.

        We can even do it so you have absolutely no commitment and nothing to lose.

        I'll write your sales page for you, after discussing in some detail exactly what you want. After I've done it, you can look at it and decide whether to accept or reject it. If you don't like it, you just say so and I won't be offended at all, but then you can't use it. If you do like it then it's yours, all rights - no charge at all, but you promise (a) to use it, (b) to help me out with a testimonial saying that you liked it and why, and (c) you agree to my using you as an "email reference" a few times over the next few weeks/months if it helps to me to get a writing job or two.

        I can do it by Monday if I get started quickly.

        The offer is open until the end of Yom Kippor only.

        What do you say?

        I would jump all over this offer. Like Alexa says, you have nothing to lose.

        If the copy works, she gets a great testimonial and possibly a jump start
        to her career and you get some sales.

        If it doesn't work, you scrap it and start over. I'd give it at least 1,000
        visitors to your sales page before making any decisions either way. At
        even a 0.5% conversion, that should bring you 5 sales.

        The biggest thing is going to be driving traffic to your sales page. But
        that's another can of worms that we won't get into here. And I'm talking
        about driving TARGETED traffic and not just a bunch of bums who couldn't
        give two sh*ts about what you're selling.

        Salescopy is just one part of the equation. Granted, it's an important part.
        But with nobody to see the sales page, it's just electrons in cyberspace.
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        • Profile picture of the author affirm758
          my advice is to do it yourself first.. so you get a baseline....

          i have hired a copy writer and frankly was disappointed, to say the least. NOBODY knows your product better than YOU! Period! and this includes any copy writer you hire.

          so here's what i would do...

          write the first one yourself... and forget about buying some expensive course. go to the net and find sales pages that convert... study them. these are your best starting points, by FAR, because they convert!!!!! nuff said.

          than test... and test and tweak so your conversion goes up.

          now go and seek a copywriter... and see if the page they create for you does better than yours. maybe it will, maybe it won't but now you'll be better able to assess if their copy is good or not.. because you can split test and verify!
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          • Profile picture of the author Alan Cheng
            I know it's hard to tell someone who doesn't have much money to go and hire a copywriter for thousands. So I don't blame your reaction. But you're being told the truth.

            Your best option is to write your own salesletter first. Get a good idea from other successful salesletters which you personally have bought a product from.

            Then use article marketing (no cost) to drive targeted traffic. If you find difficulty in getting targeted traffic, then re-consider the niche you're targeting. Or brush up on your article marketing skills first.

            If you do get some sales then you know the market is a good one. It's time to hire a good copywriter.

            Go to elance/scriptlance and offer your services to get some cash. Save up and then spend it on a copywriter who has a good reputation in the Warrior Forum.

            Get the sales, save up, and repeat the whole process.

            As Steven mentioned, get a hold of Alexa immediately. Don't let an offer like that go past.
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      • Profile picture of the author Shlomi Khutoretsky
        Originally Posted by alexa_s View Post

        Hi Shlomi, and good Yom Tov to you.

        Steven is totally right with both his posts above.

        Ok, here's the thing ... I'm a good writer who has never written a professional long-copy sales page before. I've been learning copywriting and I want to try one. I've written and edited many dissertations (my own and other people's), book reviews, essays, some advertising, and some great articles, but I have nothing online to show you. Take a chance with me, and I'll take a chance with you.

        We can even do it so you have absolutely no commitment and nothing to lose.

        I'll write your sales page for you, after discussing in some detail exactly what you want. After I've done it, you can look at it and decide whether to accept or reject it. If you don't like it, you just say so and I won't be offended at all, but then you can't use it. If you do like it then it's yours, all rights - no charge at all, but you promise (a) to use it, (b) to help me out with a testimonial saying that you liked it and why, and (c) you agree to my using you as an "email reference" a few times over the next few weeks/months if it helps to me to get a writing job or two.

        I can do it by Monday if I get started quickly.

        The offer is open until the end of Yom Kippor only.

        What do you say?
        thanks alexa
        i sent you a PM
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