Would like your opinion on this WordPress pop up

15 years ago

It's a great-looking blog and it's a great-looking pop-up too.

The only way to know where it is better or worse than the one you are presently using is ............ you guessed ........... to test it.

Recently, I changed my pop-up at my main site. I started using what I thought was a much more professional version incorporating video.

Result: sign-ups went down.

Needless to say, I went back to my old static pop-up.

You can't always tell by looking.

Will

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khay

15 years ago

Agreed. Stick it up for a couple of weeks and see what happens.

Anyone know of a good split-test popup?

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Alexa Smith

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Beau

would really love your opinion on the pop this guy uses on his site:

It sucks.

He doesn't know what he's doing. (Unless he's in the process of doing a proper split-test, of course, in which case I owe him an apology).

It will cost, in the long run.

Originally Posted by Beau

Can you suggest a better one + the pros and cons of this one?

Those little "footer" ones alienate far fewer people and will lose far fewer return visitors than the one seen there, I think. There are no "pros" of this one - they're all "cons". Only my opinion, of course, but it was opinion formed on the basis of test-results of 3 of my clients who tested properly (many people don't: they fool themselves by looking only at the number of people opting in and conveniently forgetting all the others driven away never to return) and have all abandoned this crap. The classic mistake is to "put it up for a couple of weeks and see what happens". That's not testing: it's just fooling yourself.

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Alexa Smith Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Odell

Personally I think they all suck!!!

So do I, to be honest, but this one sucks worse than most of them.

Originally Posted by Richard Odell

I thought all this interruption marketing went out with the Ark!:rolleyes:

It's all part of the "people continue to use these, so they 'must' be working" school of internet marketing. Aggravated, in these cases, by the fact that people can stick them up for a couple of weeks and sure enough, will find that some people opt in to them, or buy at a discount, or whatever, and they often don't assess the longer-term position well enough to become aware of what they're actually losing. :rolleyes:
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Johnny12345

15 years ago

I strongly prefer "inline" opt-in boxes. They can be embedded into the header or added to a sidebar. But, in my view, pop-ups almost always seem rather "rude."

I also don't like the fact that they interrupt the visitor at a time when I'm trying to get them to read the sales copy.

When you've only got mere seconds to grab the attention of your prospect, do you really want to throw up a barrier?

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Istvan Horvath

15 years ago

The script in action at the link posted by the OP is Robert Plank's action popup script/plugin offered by an affiliate.

I also hate popups when I am browsing the net.

On one of my blogs I used a popup (lightbox from aweber) for a while and it converted better than anything else. Go figure...

I had to add: it was a niche blog and most people arrived there either by SE or via backlinks on authority sites. The posts gave very good free info for the search they arrived from. And the popup offered to have all the related "knowledge" compiled as a pdf report. Maybe that's why they went for it.

What I meant by the paragraph above is that the simple fact whether you use a popup or not, probably, is not the only factor visitors will consider.

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thebitbotdotcom

15 years ago

I have opted to promote my squeeze pages using a slide up instead. Much less intrusive as pretty much every body on earth seems to despise pop ups. Additionally, I have found that slide ups seem to convert just as well as pop ups without as much irritation. If it takes seven visits to make the sale, then it seems that every annoyance has to be eliminated.

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xiaophil

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Beau

...the pros and cons of this one?

From a technical perspective only, it's a very interesting design and one that I haven't seen before.

It's actually not a pop-up at all, it's the default rendering of the page using only html and css.

Absolutely truly un-blockable because there is no script required to "pop it up", and the form still works in standard submit mode.

This sucker will work even if JavaScript and cookies are disabled. Fiendishly clever if you're into that sort of thing.

Disabling JavaScript used to be a way of preventing pop ups. With one like this, if JavaScript is disabled you can't get rid of the bloody thing.

Phil

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Alexa Smith Banned 15 years ago

... and then, of course, as one of our Warrior practising lawyers was kindly reminding us all a few weeks ago, in a similar thread, there are the potential adverse legal and regulatory issues with these things, as well.
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wilsonusman

15 years ago

I can't believe they are hating on my friend Michael Dunlop, he's a really cool kid. And if you look at the most popular blogs out there, they've actually embrace this pop-up. Again it's not for everyone, some people will like them and will do good, if their offer is good enough it will get opt-ins if not it won't

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scottsheen

15 years ago

Ok, it seems that most think the pop-up is negative. So let me ask this. What if this pop-up was used on a non IM site and promoted a type of charity? Say like a cancer or diabetes walk and was placed on your site for just a few weeks. Still bad? What would be better to use for that scenario?

Scott

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Alexa Smith

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by scottsheen

Ok, it seems that most think the pop-up is negative.

And that will be even more true of a site's overall viewers, if it's true even of a group of internet marketers, won't it?

Originally Posted by scottsheen

What if this pop-up was used on a non IM site and promoted a type of charity? Say like a cancer or diabetes walk and was placed on your site for just a few weeks. Still bad?

Yes, just as bad. You'll still lose large numbers of people who won't even know that it's promoting a cancer or diabetes walk (just like I don't even know what the one people are discussing above says: I glimpsed it for a second, instinctively thought "Oh, don't be so %^&*()@~ stupid" and got out of the site).

Apologies for having such widely-held, common reactions.

And in any case, a charity that knew what it was doing (and/or had a legal advisor who knew anything about the internet) wouldn't risk being associated with that, anyway.

The reality is that all of this stuff is temporary anyway, because of the legal and regulatory position. Nobody's going to get away with it for ever.

It is illegal, hello?! I'm not a lawyer, but Brian Kindsvater is, as well as being a longstanding Warrior, and he says it's illegal, and he says it very openly and clearly and he explains which rules it's breaking (look at his posts yourself if you don't want just my word for that).

I know people like to pretend that either it isn't, or it shouldn't be, or they don't know anything about that, or it isn't going to be enforced anyway, but the lawyers here (and elsewhere) are saying that eventually it will be enforced and sites will at least be taken off-line for it. The sooner the better, for me - getting rid of this crap may just improve the collective reputation of our industry a little.

And again - whether or not it "works" is not just about whether your sign-ups increase. The mistake is to notice the increase is sign-ups and say "Ooh, this must be working". That's fooling yourself. You have to measure the people you lose as well, knowing that some of them would have returned and signed up anyway. I know that some people don't like this point being made, but, with apologies, that doesn't stop it from being both true and valid.

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xiaophil

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It is illegal, hello?! I'm not a lawyer, but Brian Kindsvater is, as well as being a longstanding Warrior, and he says it's illegal, and he says it very openly and clearly and he explains which rules it's breaking (look at his posts yourself if you don't want just my word for that).

Alexa could you link to a specific post and save us a trawl? I searched but didn't turn up anything immediately obvious. Thanks.

What aspect of the pop up is illegal? I'm curious mainly because technically this isn't a pop up - it's the default rendering of the page. Are html pages that look like pop ups illegal too?

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Phil

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Alexa Smith

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by xiaophil

Alexa could you link to a specific post and save us a trawl?

I looked quickly when I posted, wanting to include one or two "evidential links" and couldn't find it, either. Best to ask Brian himself, I think. He seemed pretty unambiguous in what he said, and I'm almost certain that it was in this forum that he said it.

Originally Posted by xiaophil

What aspect of the pop up is illegal? I'm curious mainly because technically this isn't a pop up - it's the default rendering of the page. Are html pages that look like pop ups illegal too?

Sorry, you need a lawyer to answer these, and that ain't me. All I can do is mention what I've seen a lawyer well versed in internet law saying. I'm not for a moment suggesting (and neither was Brian) that people using these ought to be living in fear of prosecution. The burden of his song, as I remember, was that at some future point the FTC will actually start to enforce the existing laws about this, which at the moment they don't.

Second-hand information only, of course - and, to me, not very relevant anyway, because my own impressions and my own clients' testing-results are more than persuasive!

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Andrew Gould 15 years ago

Originally Posted by xiaophil

Alexa could you link to a specific post and save us a trawl? I searched but didn't turn up anything immediately obvious. Thanks.
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I think this might be it:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2344433
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hockeyroom28

15 years ago

I think thats one of the best popups I've seen lately. The basic AWeber popup is nothing compared to this one. I like it!

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Michael Field-Dodgson

15 years ago

Hi Beau,

People are generally curious when they come across a site, so when their attention is impacted by a pop up there can be an instant feeling of it being intrusive or something happening they can't control.

I don't mind pop ups, but I think a smaller one to the side is less intrusive; it doesn't totally distract the person and so has a more neutral impact.

But as has been mentioned here it is a numbers game so do your testing to see what the majority vote is.

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Frugal Jen 15 years ago

Ok- I have been testing this pop up for about a month and a half.

Bottom Line..

It works.

I have around doubled my daily signups..we will see if I keep that number as time goes by.

But, it has it's downside. If you already have a large list (mine is over 6000) it will alienate some of your current subscribers due to the fact that on some screens and browsers the X hides under the toolbar. Now if you close all the toolbars you can probably see the X and close the pop up (and on my site, never see it again). But there are some readers that are not too tech savvy and will not understand this.

Every few days I get an email telling me that one of my readers can't close it and are not going to read my blog anymore if I don't remove it. I email them back with a nice letter giving them 2-3 ways to close it.

But I know that will get less and less because new people who can't close it will just leave and all my existing readers are not seeing it anymore (unless they delete their cookies).

So I have to weigh it- lose a few existing readers to gain extra 1000's of reader per year.. It's a bummer, though and it makes me sad for those readers - I wish there was a solution for both.

-jen
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bauger

15 years ago

I use this n my blog with a pretty good opt in rate. Very nice pop up you got there. There are always pro's and con's about pop up. The thing is they will always be around.

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