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14 years ago

Hi Panzer

I would not previously have said a longtail could be too long. However since the launch of Google Instant the longer the phrase the more chance there is that Google will present the searcher with a viable alternative.

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tryinhere

14 years ago

Originally Posted by PanzerBanana

Right now I'll be happy with pulling in enough to cover my hosting while I get the hang of this stuff.

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skibbz 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tryinhere

just put some adsense on your site and ask people to click some ads for you / that should cover it

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Chucksta

14 years ago

As Mangozoom said, Google Instant has made it an advantage to use key phrases containing many words. Two of my sites have 5 and 6 word key phrases, and i do pretty well, thank you

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WebPen

14 years ago

Really? Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought Mangozoom was saying Google Instant puts you at a disadvantage for long tail keywords...

That's what I think willl happen, but then again I'm always annoyed by Google Instant and turn it off. Hopefully a lot of other people do too if you're going for long-tail keywords :-p

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fdamours

14 years ago

Well its not a question if beeing too long, its will people search for that long keyword?

more then 50% searches are 2 words, over 5 words is less then 5%.
So, will there be demand? If there is, it isn't too long of a keyword !

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smcnowland

14 years ago

I don't think there's such a thing as "too long" when it comes to the long-tail. However, there will be fewer searches done with the long-tail and hence less potential traffic.

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Jeff McGehee 14 years ago

Three to five words in a domain is reasonable. I usually shoot for less vs. more, but it's not too long.

The jury is still out on Google Instant, especially since quite a lot of people search from their browser search bar where instant has no effect on the results.
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~kev~

14 years ago

My opinion - the shorter the name the better. Regardless if its 2, 3, 4 or 5 words - with proper optimization, your site can rank well for its targeted keywords.

Example: Go to google and type in the word - news

result 1 - cnn
result 2 - foxnews
result 3 - msnbc.msn.com

Of the top 3 results, only 1 has the "news" in the domain name.

I try to stay away from exact names, I feel it provides more flexibility for your sites.

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PanzerBanana 14 years ago

Thanks for all the comments so far!

I think I may just go with it and see what happens. I ran it through that Name Cheap I saw mentioned here and it seems a good deal. Plus, I've wasted more on a bad specialty beer than the total of getting this site up. heh
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JoshuaG

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ~kev~

My opinion - the shorter the name the better. Regardless if its 2, 3, 4 or 5 words - with proper optimization, your site can rank well for its targeted keywords.

Example: Go to google and type in the word - news

result 1 - cnn
result 2 - foxnews
result 3 - msnbc.msn.com

Of the top 3 results, only 1 has the "news" in the domain name.

I try to stay away from exact names, I feel it provides more flexibility for your sites.

This information is incredibly false and just plain terrible.

Those are results for the keyword "news" because those organizations are major players in the news media industry. They are the largest news networks in north america.

It has nothing what-so-ever to do with the length of the domain.

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~kev~

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JoshuaG

It has nothing what-so-ever to do with the length of the domain.

A lot of people think you "have" to have the domain name in the url to rank well, and that is false - and that was the purpose of my post.

Studies have shown that the shorter the name, the easier it is to remember. Whats easier to remember - CNN.com, or click-here-to-read-up-on-the-news.com

On top of that, acronyms and brandable domain names are much better then exact spellings.

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JoshuaG

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ~kev~

A lot of people think you "have" to have the domain name in the url to rank well, and that is false - and that was the purpose of my post.

Studies have shown that the shorter the name, the easier it is to remember. Whats easier to remember - CNN.com, or click-here-to-read-up-on-the-news.com

On top of that, acronyms and brandable domain names are much better then exact spellings.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

And I agree, but for the sake of clarity, exact spellings are "technically" better in terms of SEO.

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Justin Jordan

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lawrence58

I think Google Instant has a huge effect on long tail keywords. People start typing and then look at the results they get while typing and may not finish typing their long tail search term if they find something interesting

My admittedly anecdotal observations don't bear this out - people mostly fall into one of two categories: either they type very fast and the results zip by too fast and they ignore them, or they have to type fairly slow and their concentration is on their typing. I suspect the number of people who actually pay attention to Google Instant is probably pretty small.

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ukcarl

14 years ago

I have an article with a keyword that is 8 words long that is 4th for that 8 word keyword and picks up about 10-20 hits a day.

Now I know this is not a site, however I think the answer to your question is if there are people searching for the term and you can rank for it then its all good. Last month that article got 413 views and resulted in 3 sales at $26 and its been there about 9 month, generally the longer the keyword the more targeted the visitor will tend be.

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seoweb2000

14 years ago

Long tail gets higher buying rate if you are selling products since people who are searching for long tail are serious about what they are looking for. For example if I search for " LCD TVs" I am shopping.. if I search for "Sony 52 inch LCD tv" I am much more serious.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by PanzerBanana

I'm thinking of taking the plunge and starting with my first site. I think I have a decent niche.

However it's just popular enough I am going with what I believe is a "long tail key word".

I'm just wondering is there a too long for long tails?

The key word/phrase I've settled for seems to be second highest search for the topic.

The phrase "long-tail keyword" doesn't refer to the length of the keyword, i.e. its number of words.

This misunderstanding has circulated, and now become rather widespread, because of the fact that many "long-tail keywords" do actually - coincidentally - happen to be multi-word keywords. They don't have to be, though: a much shorter phrase can still be a long-tail keyword.

Something that's the second most commonly searched term in a niche, regardless of how many words it is, isn't by any stretch of the imagination a "long-tail keyword".

The meaning of "long-tail" is quite well clarified here.

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tryinhere

just put some adsense on your site and ask people to click some ads for you / that should cover it

ANYONE WHO THINKS THIS IS A GOOD IDEA - MAKE SURE YOU SEE THE "I'M JUST KIDDING" SMILIE AT THE END.

Do this for real, and your AdSense account will disappear faster than a cheapskate when teh check comes...

(Sorry for shouting.)

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tryinhere

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

ANYONE WHO THINKS THIS IS A GOOD IDEA - MAKE SURE YOU SEE THE "I'M JUST KIDDING" SMILIE AT THE END.

Do this for real, and your AdSense account will disappear faster than a cheapskate when teh check comes...

(Sorry for shouting.)

yes i should clarify here that G would slam his sorry backside if they saw that and it is very wrong / people pay for those ads and to openly do as this punter has done is not accepted.

I do know from advertising in other areas this cartoony type crowd was one area i stayed away from as everybody was having a gang bang on clicking each others clicks / not saying it applies to all but it was rife in that particular ad network.

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PanzerBanana 14 years ago

Thanks all for the tips.

And yes I put my request for ad views up there for an alternative to my paypal donation button, once I add it. Though I may just go and take it off. No more notice than my site's over the ages have gotten, as I spend more time working offline I didn't figure it'd be much of an issue. Though if traffic were to pick up.

I would especially enjoy some clarification of "cartoony type crowd", was that a literal statement? With assorted "cartoonists" clicking each other's ads?

I actually don't mingle with the cartooning crowd. A while back I started looking around for cartoon specific hangouts. I found quite a number to be whiny and ironically bitter and petty.

So if what you say is true, I guess it wouldn't really surprise me. Guess I should change before I incur the aid of a group of them throwing me a bone.
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- tpw 14 years ago
  
  With each additional keyword in the long-tail, consumers are narrowing their search... Which means that by the time they reach your combination, they are more tightly targeted and therefore more likely to buy.
  
  Each additional keyword narrows the search for the consumer and decreases your audience... But in most cases, that is actually a good thing... You cannot be everything to everyone, but you can be the perfect solution for a smaller number of somebody's...
  
  I suggest ignoring the Google Instant comments, because honestly, if I know that I am going to type in a four-word keyword phrase, I do so because I know that the three word searches that Google is offering me don't offer what I want...
  
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  PanzerBanana 14 years ago
  
  Well I've gone and registered the domain and have the site in "pre-production". hehe
  
  The very worst thing that can happen is I start developing a working knowledge of the things I've been studying. And this site will likely generate more hits than my official website. The practice I've done with that has managed to pull in a few hits and a couple bucks with absolutely no promotion. Even with a slipshod attempt at SEO with my former Go Daddy Website Tonight.
  
  Like I mentioned in my previous post, I do a lot of offline development and stuff, so I don't focus on promotion and likely won't until I've gotten enough built up to crank out productions faster.
  
  So I've figured using down time to make some more focused marketing efforts. With the couple of monetary surprises I've had before with generating money while still setting things up for toons I'm optimistic that this effort will produce significantly better results.
  
  Granted, what I made was little more than a can of soda. I consider it a big deal considering I didn't do anything at all promotion wise, no back links, no submissions or anything.
  
  My chosen niche, is significantly more wallet friendly than anything related to animation.
  
  With what some have said about the people that are more targeted in their searches, I'm going to put a bit more work into this site than I had previously intended.
  
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