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Video on amazon s3 vs youtube

by troybh
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I am trying to understand the benefits of hosting your videos on amazons s3 network vs youtube. To me seems like only benefit is possibly faster speeds with amazon. Not a real benefit as far as I can see as videos on youtube seem to load fast enough. Also if someone searches for a keyword on youtube you may get found and get more views. So what is the benefit of having videos hosted on amazon????
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  • Profile picture of the author turnkeybiz
    besides that you can get better quality i think via S3 and were Youtube vids are great for marketing and such, you might want to control who see's your videos and Amazon you can do that better.

    I guess it depends on what your needs are I am sure a combo of both would fit most needs

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    • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
      I use Amazon S3 for my products videos. If I added my product videos to youtube I'd have to name them sxhwuedjhdjc so nobody accidently finds them.

      If you want a ton of people to find your video then use Youtube. If you only want a limited amount of people to see your videos then use Amazon S3.

      Hope that helps...
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    BY paying for a service like Amazon S3, you get to keep your service as long as you abide by the TOS.

    Using a free service like Youtube puts your content at risk.

    Youtube can close your account at anytime at their discretion and you have no legal recourse if you lose money because of their actions.

    There is a big thread here (Youtube Meltdown), that discusses some of the issues with having a big Youtube account closed down.
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    • Profile picture of the author shaunyb1
      Originally Posted by Matt Maiden View Post

      BY paying for a service like Amazon S3, you get to keep your service as long as you abide by the TOS.

      Using a free service like Youtube puts your content at risk.

      Youtube can close your account at anytime at their discretion and you really have no recourse if you lose money because of their actions.

      There is a big thread here (Youtube Meltdown), that discusses some of the results of having a big account closed down.
      Couldn't agree any more. This is why any serious marketer should host their own videos.
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  • Profile picture of the author steavejohn1452
    I think you tube is best platform for your videos as compared it to amazon s3 or any because it is the largest platform to share videos from all over the world.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Cole
      Originally Posted by steavejohn1452 View Post

      I think you tube is best platform for your videos as compared it to amazon s3 or any because it is the largest platform to share videos from all over the world.
      Another problem with this is that people can click through to youtube and find your complete account and set of videos. You might have other videos that you don't want to release yet or even have certain people watch them.

      Self hosted will leave you with the control you need for this as well as also not having to worry about your account being closed on you and losing both the videos uploaded to youtube, but also the fact that you have them embedded into your web properties.

      You will then need to go out and do alot of work to ge all of your videos uploaded and embedded again, just to get back to even keel.

      If you are serious about video marketing and are planning to use video as a serious marketing tool, then I suggest you definately look into your own S3 hosting or something of similar nature.

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      • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
        Originally Posted by Chris Cole View Post

        Another problem with this is that people can click through to youtube and find your complete account and set of videos. You might have other videos that you don't want to release yet or even have certain people watch them.

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        You can set videos to private or unlisted on youtube. But I agree with everyone else, if you want the most control, host them yourself.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Cole
          Originally Posted by swilliams09 View Post

          You can set videos to private or unlisted on youtube. But I agree with everyone else, if you want the most control, host them yourself.
          Agreed! BUT there is still nothing to stop the powers at youtube from simply deciding to ban and close your account. This has happened to people with large accounts as well.

          What a nightmare that would be if you then had to re-edit all of your web properties.

          My main point was if you intend getting into videos in a serious way, then your own hosting like S3 must be considered as you then have full control over everything.
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        • Profile picture of the author TroelsJepsen
          It depends very much on what you need it for. If your videos are supposed to be free, go for youtube, as you will get views on both your own site and youtube.

          But if your videos are part of a product you should go for Amazon S3. Besides from the reasons already mentioned, it is against Youtube TOS to charge payment (or make people opt in) to get access to a youtube video.
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  • Profile picture of the author SmallBusinessCoach
    Posted my first video on youtube a few months ago and embedded the link into a microsite. However, a few weeks later, the video 'disappeared' from the site, although it was supposed to be embedded.

    Only started using Amazon S3 recently and found it relatively easy to use. Now working on being able to send the link for access to my contacts.

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    • Profile picture of the author jtpada
      Originally Posted by SmallBusinessCoach View Post

      Posted my first video on youtube a few months ago and embedded the link into a microsite. However, a few weeks later, the video 'disappeared' from the site, although it was supposed to be embedded.

      Only started using Amazon S3 recently and found it relatively easy to use. Now working on being able to send the link for access to my contacts.

      Small Business Coach
      I had a similar issue with a video vanishing. What I found out though is that when you switch back to the old way of embedding a video you get a different embed code ( no iframe anymore) and the issue gets resolved. Video stays.

      Just choose this under the embed options tab.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gary Zaydman
        YouTube actually has a option to make videos private so they will not be visible to users who do not have a direct link.

        I was watching some videos from the fuzzy yellow balls site and most of their training is hosted on YouTube. If you want a truly free option YouTube is the way to go. S3 gives you more control of your videos and you pay a few cents per month in bandwidth.

        It's really amazing that we essentially have no cost way to broadcast content to as many people as we want.
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        • Profile picture of the author avoiderrors
          Ok here's the deal, it all depends on what you are using those videos. example:
          Paid subscription.
          Promotional.
          Personal.
          Hobie.

          It all depends on your needs. for example I host my videos on youtube.
          but on my site is being hosted by amazon s3.
          I use YouTube to promote my site and if something was to happen to my youtube channel my website videos wont be effected.

          Now if someone was to share a link to my website video, they would share a link to my site instead of YouTube.

          If you want more views and you don't mind everyone copying your vids, or being distracted by other channel or advertisement, then go with youtube. also keep in mind they can shut you down for any and no reason. even if you set your videos private.

          Try to be a little smart in that sense don't place all your eggs in one basket.
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  • Profile picture of the author MacS09
    There is also the additional issue of copyright and licence. Youtube allows anyone to reuse your video on Youtube (with proper credits). PLUS You can delete the video but any text written for your video (description etc.) remains property of Youtube. It's all in the Youtube TOS.

    As mentioned before, you can go unlisted on Youtube, which means that no one will be able to find the video unless they know the URL. But you are still exposed to the vagaries of Youtube's decision.

    Oh yes, I almost forgot: beware of the soundtracks you use for your Youtube videos. Google (and Youtube) are in dispute with musicians unions in a number of countries and will ban any video from showing in these countries if they suspect that someone may hold the copyright to the soundtrack. This happened to me with a public domain soundtrack. I appealed, the video was reinstated but I believe it's gone again. There is nothing you can do about it.

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  • Profile picture of the author TroyNotes
    The best approach is an AND solution not an OR

    For one,

    S3's
    PRO
    - any size video (long, short, HD, standard def)
    - protected video (e.g. membership sites where the video can only be accessed)
    - you control not the site.

    CON
    - videos do not rank by themselves unless you use appropriate techniches to which help rank videos, like I have have a wordpress plugin that ranks videos ON my blog, normally google doesn't see or care.
    - S3 can be sluggish, need a real content delivery network for higher quality videos
    - costs money (thought not much really)

    Youtube
    PRO
    - second largest search engine, meaning people search it directly vs google, so you ideally want to have content ranking there
    - good analytics, you can understand the demographics of your audience
    - ranks easily in search engines, google likes them. So videos you upload will show up easily.
    - you can brand pages to help get people over to your site.

    CON
    - they can shut you down for any and no reason, you have little to no say about this process once it happens. Who is to know in the future what they might do.
    - user distraction, if your goal is to get people to click over to your site, youtube has so many distracting pictures links they tend to get lost.
    - you don't control the conversation/comments like on your blog. So if you have malicous competitors you can find yourself outgunned on a youtube site.
    - the conversion process can mangle your video. You have to know what you're doing to get best results to show on youtube.

    Youtube makes it easy to embed videos on other sites (like Warrior Forum) which can be good or bad depending on how you use it.
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  • Profile picture of the author zenxseo
    use both.. as per your requirement and s3 is good if you want to more control over your video on site. and its inexpensive too. and now of other options are available for video hosting / video player ..
    with s3 video you can add video site map @ google and get rank ( if you work on it) and people will land on your site not on youtube,

    good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by troybh View Post

      So what is the benefit of having videos hosted on amazon????
      Privacy and Control.

      Originally Posted by swilliams09 View Post

      You can set videos to private or unlisted on youtube. But I agree with everyone else, if you want the most control, host them yourself.
      And as I just found out, unlisted does not mean youtube can't/won't use them if they choose to. Unlisted does not mean unavailable and truly private.

      Originally Posted by MacS09 View Post

      There is also the additional issue of copyright and licence. Youtube allows anyone to reuse your video on Youtube (with proper credits). PLUS You can delete the video but any text written for your video (description etc.) remains property of Youtube. It's all in the Youtube TOS.

      As mentioned before, you can go unlisted on Youtube, which means that no one will be able to find the video unless they know the URL. But you are still exposed to the vagaries of Youtube's decision.

      Oh yes, I almost forgot: beware of the soundtracks you use for your Youtube videos. Google (and Youtube) are in dispute with musicians unions in a number of countries and will ban any video from showing in these countries if they suspect that someone may hold the copyright to the soundtrack. This happened to me with a public domain soundtrack. I appealed, the video was reinstated but I believe it's gone again. There is nothing you can do about it.

      Max
      Yes, yes yes.

      Ok, so here is a story. I just did something this past week I've never done.

      I shot a friends wedding (that part I have done before ) But there was some "incidental" music playing in the background.

      I wanted to send a quick clip to my friend for him to share with the other wedding guests, and well - youtube has this fancy software that immediately picked up on the background music - and this resulted in some kind of copyright thing appearing next to the video and ads showing on the video as well.

      At the point of realizing this, I also realized I could not download a copy to my computer.

      I've always used 100 percent original content, but that bit of background music which I did not add set off some alarms in the system.

      I immediately moved the video to S3.

      I realize in this scenario I am not looking to get lots of views, but the bigger issue was the lack of privacy even though it was an unlisted video.

      And while the artist playing in the background does have some kind of agreement with youtube to use the music, I realized upon further investigation that these agreements can and have changed with other artists and it can ultimately result in you losing the opportunity for revenue sharing on youtube as well as getting your account removed.

      Use youtube to add your advertising, but consider a back up in case of emergency because they are Google and they will do what they want at any given time.

      If you are selling the content on the videos, you need to host them privately. End of story. It is dirt cheap to do it. If you are serious, just do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author gorufus
    I've heard of a lot of people's youtube accounts getting shut down. I actually saw a link on here for someones website and the video embedded said that the account was shut down. I like s3, I use it with evp.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Walker
    S3 is expensive, period. BUT it's reliable... and you have complete control over your files.
    My last s3 amazon bill was $8,000+ ... very very expensive... but the payout was 100x this, if my sales video went down it would of been a complete disaster... it would of cost me a few hundred grand at least.

    If your profits are dependent on your sales video, shell out the extra $$$ for a reliable solution.
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