Do you need to be hated to be successful?

[Christian C]

It seems that many of the top successful IMers are deeply hated and very often flamed by many - mostly by those that feel that they were scammed.

Anyone has any insight on this?

Have you developed a thick skin for success when the hating comes along?

What's your response when people have you in their target because of your hard working success?

[alok24smart]

You should not worry about these things, just focus on your goals and action-plan. Everything will be fine. Good Luck.... !

[DianaHeuser]

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds"

Albert Einstein

That quote about sums it up

[hardraysnight]

sure looks like it around here

'and im doing very well' - Ian Durie

[robnoble]

Good god!

Ian Dury made it to Tai Tokerau, Aotearoa!!

[CDarklock]

Originally Posted by Christiani

Anyone has any insight on this?

Happy people tend to be silent.

Unhappy people tend to make noise.

So the unhappy people are easily seen, while the happy people aren't.

As the customer base grows, you see a lot more unhappy people, but you don't really see many more happy ones.

[Martin.Avis]

In my experience, most successful people, whether Internet marketers or not, tend to be honorable and honest folks who are trying to do the best they can to make a living.

It is such a shame that the few who operate on a different moral compass to the majority tend to get most of the press, and in the process sully the reputations of everyone.

It is so easy to believe that they are all out to get you - but the truth is quite different.

If you are careful about who you do business with - by asking for opinions from others and doing your due diligence here on the WF, the chances of being scammed are minimal. In ten years or more online I can still count the number of real sh*tbags I have unfortunately had dealings with on one hand.

Martin

[Fiona Harrison]

Well..Haters will always hate no matter what. but at the end of the day "Money Talks" :P

thats how its been all this time and thats how it will ever be.

[robbnel]

Originally Posted by Christiani

It seems that many of the top successful IMers are deeply hated and very often flamed by many - mostly by those that feel that they were scammed.

Anyone has any insight on this?

Have you developed a thick skin for success when the hating comes along?

What's your response when people have you in their target because of your hard working success?

who is hated?, I don't think you have any reason to believe this, do you?

[seoglobalexperts004]

there is a saying that if more people trying to pulling your legs down then you are above them..... more people talking about you then you are on your way of success..... as all we know
""Coins always make sound,
But the currency notes are always silent.
So, when your value increases,
Keep yourself calm and silent.""

so be silent and just go for your dreams.... and be successful .... my wishes with you... Good luck....!!!!!!!!.........

[Christian C]

Hi all,

No, this is not something thats keeping me up at night ; ) but I just wanted to get others perspective out there. Thanks again, got some valuable insights.

[sanhal]

Originally Posted by Christiani

It seems that many of the top successful IMers are deeply hated and very often flamed by many - mostly by those that feel that they were scammed.

Anyone has any insight on this?

Have you developed a thick skin for success when the hating comes along?

What's your response when people have you in their target because of your hard working success?

I am not sure why they are successful if there are a lot of people who feel they have been scammed.
Maybe they get their success by selling to newbies who don't do their research first.

You are never going to please all the people all the time but you can give it a good try.

Sandy

[Brendan Vraibel]

Failures will always talk bad about successes. I can only imagine how many of those people who bad mouth the "gurus" are the same people who tried SEO for 2 days and chalked it up to not working.

[Big Al]

Don't agree at all.

If they were so hated then they'd not be successful. What I've started to notice on Amazon that some books have moderate reviews and many have reviews where people love it... or hate it (with few in the middle).

I think when you create a market where people love you or hate you (as opposed to everyone thinking you're just ok and sitting on the fence) it's indicative of being yourself and doing what works for you. Voicing your opinion and your methods... not trying to please everyone.

[sbucciarel]

You will get some very vocal people if they are unhappy with a product after being soaked to the tune of $1997 for it.

[Barry Unruh]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

You will get some very vocal people if they are unhappy with a product after being soaked to the tune of $1997 for it.

Especially when they discover they have to APPLY IT, to make it work...that just really blows....

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by Barry Unruh

Especially when they discover they have to APPLY IT, to make it work...that just really blows....

It also really blows when that's the usual response to any failure of a product to work as described. They can hype it up and make all kinds of claims, but when those results to not happen, it is of course, the customer's fault.

I don't spend $2,000 on a product to let it gather dust and a lot of people implement the suggestions in the product to no avail. But hey ... it's very convenient to blame the customers.

What I blame the customers for is believing over-hyped unfounded claims to start with.

[barbling]

Like with every venue, it seems that bad boys and girls are always followed 'way more than everyone else.

They provide entertainment value. And when providing entertainment, good or bad, more and more people will hear about them.

Life's too short to worry if folks envy you or not.

I do agree about being soaked for $1,997 or so....in my wildest dreams, I could never conceive of buying something that expensive unless I knew precisely how it would benefit me (for example, I spent close to 4K to have my flagship site overhauled 15 months ago, but you had better believe I did massive research before settling on it!).

Perhaps I'm just cheap....

[xxxJamesxxx]

Happy people tend to be silent.

Unhappy people tend to make noise.

So the unhappy people are easily seen, while the happy people aren't.

As the customer base grows, you see a lot more unhappy people, but you don't really see many more happy ones.

Well said... Haters tend to be more vocal.

James Scholes

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by barbling

I do agree about being soaked for $1,997 or so....in my wildest dreams, I could never conceive of buying something that expensive unless I knew precisely how it would benefit me (for example, I spent close to 4K to have my flagship site overhauled 15 months ago, but you had better believe I did massive research before settling on it!).

Perhaps I'm just cheap....

Personally, I don't envy Gurus, hate Gurus, or want to be like them or not like them. There are bad Gurus and good Gurus ... bad teachers and good teachers. Some of these "big boys" are purely little but scam artists ... and very successful at it. Others put out products that are pure gold.

Better to be cheap and not be so gullible that you fall for the hype. Do your homework before making a big purchase.

[Daniel Wilson]

Who hates you? People who don't earn as much as you?

[Rob Maggs]

I think I read somewhere that if 1 person likes your service they'll tell 10 people about it...however if that one person doesn't like your service they'll tell 100 people about it.

I think also in a lot of cases the user doesn't give the product a chance, doesn't follow through or just loses focus and buys the next new appealing shiny toy.

I have supported products that people purchased several months ago but only got to try out recently.

[Levira]

I believe there are a lot of scams out there, including IMers promising you the world if you purchase a product from them. But every trade, career, profession has honest hard working people, and scammers.

So depending on how you choose to see it, you can either go with those with those who want to be negative or those who believe in it and push for the best.

Besides, why not go ahead and continue the trend of being a great IMer?

[savvybizbuilder]

What you plant is what you will going to harvest. That's what it is, so make sure to run a clean business.

[matthewfermin]

You should focus on your plans and goals. Just be honest with your work and everything will turn out fine. Wish you all the best!

[Guru_Marketing]

Originally Posted by Christiani

It seems that many of the top successful IMers are deeply hated and very often flamed by many - mostly by those that feel that they were scammed.

Anyone has any insight on this?

Have you developed a thick skin for success when the hating comes along?

What's your response when people have you in their target because of your hard working success?

Great question Christiani! Here's my take on it...

If other people envy for what you've done, then you are on the right path, because in their eyes, you are successful.

The more successful you become, the more people are NOT going to like you. And that's fine, because you want to focus on those people who admire and what to learn from you.

It's usually a DANGER SIGN if everyone pretends to like you and agree with you. You need opponents, in order to learn more about yourself.

There's an old say, "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer." That's because you friends are NOT going to tell you all the flaws, but your enemies are going to tell you a big deal of what your mistakes are.

Nobody and nothing is perfect, but you can make it better.

[Robert Puddy]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I don't spend $2,000 on a product to let it gather dust and a lot of people implement the suggestions in the product to no avail. But hey ... it's very convenient to blame the customers.

I can categorically confirm that 80% or more of people will pay $2000 or more for a product, play around with it for a week and then move on.

Most of those people will never ask questions, never use the support mechanism, never even contact the product owner.

its not only convenient to blame the customer, its correct to blame the customer

In your case if your saying that you would make sure you used it if you paid that much then you would be part of the 10 to 20% that got a result from it

[JCorp]

No.Absolutely false. Everyone loves me =D

[sal64]

From now on I want to be known as the Asshole Warrior (if some don't already call me that).

And instead of the Rich Jerk... I am going to brand myself as the The Rich Pr!ck.

Share the hate - make me rich.

I like it. Time to get me one of them donation buttons like Darcklock.

Or you can visit my Fiverr gig where for $5.00 I will totally p1ss you off.

I can see the potential here.

[Guru_Marketing]

Originally Posted by Shelly563

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds"

Albert Einstein

That quote about sums it up

Good point! :-)

[DianaHeuser]

Originally Posted by Guru_Marketing

Good point! :-)

Huh? I thought I said that!

Must have been a spammer

[sal64]

I look forward to the day when I can hate you.

Originally Posted by DianaHeuser

Huh? I thought I said that!

Must have been a spammer

[jivens]

I think it has a lot to do with jealousy, and also they can't afford certain IM'ERS courses, yet they rip it off of all the blackhat forums.

[Roan]

Hate? I guess it's more like envying or jealousy lol

[Christian C]

Great insights.

Believe it or not a lot of people are afraid of success out of fear of stepping on someones toes and only think on what can go wrong if they get started. That doesn't seem to be the vibe here lol.

[David Keith]

i believe much of the industry has gotten a bad name in the last 5-8 years due to the hype. i really saw things change when the "gurus" started really pushing the $497 - $1997 products. which really began in earnest i guess with the john reese traffic secrets course.

personally, i have bought just about all the major courses from most of the major gurus players and my take is this. The truth is, there is not much meaningful new material to come along in the last few years.

Probably 80%+ of the information in any internet marketing course by anyone that is put out now a days can be found for free in various reports or on the WF.

there really are very few secrets at all, and the gurus dont know much if any more than many of those that are struggling. they have however built up internet assets over many years that allow them to live a very comfortable life.

most of the gurus are making their money with their list...thats it. thats the secret. get a list, some how, some way. if you have that, you can make money in a variety of ways.

another truth about the majority of the people that others refer to as "gurus" is that most of those guys only operate in the IM niche.

they in fact dont practice what the preach in many of their courses. they dont do the keyword research, they dont worry to much about niches, they dont focus on backlinking, they dont write many if any articles....they just create products that people will buy if they hear recommendations from their other "guru" friends.

i still buy most of the course because i can afford to finacially, and i like to see what they are up to, but my advice to people is "buy information or assets(think graphics)...not dreams"

if a sales letter is pushing you some dream income or how your life will get so much better after you pay me xxxx dollars, just close the page and move on.

[DianaHeuser]

Originally Posted by sal64

I look forward to the day when I can hate you.

Sal

In that case I am not going to be successful

[Jonathan Price]

By successful IM'ers it seems you're referring to IM "Gurus" in the IM niche. Those guys get the most hate and scam complaints. There are many more marketers in their own niches who don't get hated on like that. Yeah there are customer complaints now and then, but the main hate is for the IM gurus it seems!

[Samrath Gupta]

Originally Posted by Fiona Harrison

Well..Haters will always hate no matter what. but at the end of the day "Money Talks" :P

I agree with Fiona. At the end of the MONEY TALKS

Let the dogs bark but keep yourself like an Humble Elephant and If you are good in moving then keep moving, A time will come when you will cross those hurdles and will be counted in Successful guys

PS: No Offence

Regards
~Sam~

[sal64]

Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx

Well said... Haters tend to be more vocal.

James Scholes

And the New Guinness Book Of World Records for the longest sig file link in the entire know Universe is... drum roll... xxxJamesxxx.

Well done man!

Originally Posted by DianaHeuser

Sal

In that case I am not going to be successful

Somehow I doubt that very much. But that's ok.

A bit of reverse psych never hurt anyone.

Sal

[BIG Mike]

The more successful you become, especially if that includes becoming well-known, the more you'll attract the kind people who live in a world of emotional turmoil to begin with. It goes with the territory, whether you're an individual or an organization.

Search on any well known company name and you'll find the kind of complaints I mean. You can always tell, because the claims of being scammed are not based on any real facts - just raw emotion. They want to "Get Even" with the company because of the perception they carry of being wronged.

You probably see the same folks at McDonalds or Starbucks - they're ones holding up the line, frothing at the mouth, blowing some minor detail so far out of proportion that they know the poor cashier will do anything to get rid of them. They're the real scammers of the world.

These folks are just angry with themselves and transferring their anger on what they see to be an easy target. The anonymity the web gives them often empowers them to take assholeism to an entirely new level. And they rarely miss the opportunity to leverage it.

What really matters is how you cope with it on your end. I've been called a scammer, a thief and a hell of a lot worse, but you know what? It doesn't bother me at all - at the end of the day, the people who do matter to me know better.

The other thing to consider is that there are two sides to every story. I think that even though some loudmouth may tell 100 people about it, most of the folks they tell will hear it in the context of how well they know the personality of this person and take it with a grain of salt.

If there's a plus to these idiots, it's that controversy sells. They fail to realize that in the effort they make to discredit you, they actually send you more business. I know from experience that for about every 1 person who calls me a scammer, I've got another 1,000 customers who obviously don't believe it, because they come back again and again.

That's when you see stuff like this online, consider the author and the context...and the fact that you don't know all of the underlying details.

[MalBryc]

Two quotes I get by when referring to haters:

'Haters gonna hate.'
When you're trying to better yourself or your business, some are going to hate simply because they either are too scared to take risks like you. They simply aren't as successful or don't understand. Some people are just trolls and hate to try and wind you up just to get a reaction for their entertainment.

'I <3 Haters.'
I've always thought if you are being "hatered on" you must be doing something right and the haters are simply jealous. So hence, I <3 haters, as a sign of validation that I'm doing something right.

Check out a simple blog post I made back in 2010 - http://www.malcolmbryce.com/2010/i-heart-haters/