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First Megaupload, next Fiverr?

by fluffythewondercat
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I have to admit I didn't think of this myself. A commenter on my blog said, "I saw (AdSense click fraud) gigs like this on Fiverr and couldn't figure out why they are allowed! There are also a lot of pirating gigs on Fiverr too. I love Fiverr, but they better clean up their act. I don't want them to end up like MegaUpload!"

If I'm not mistaken (and I may well be), Megaupload was hit because it had at least one server in the U.S. and because the entertainment industry is on a tear about piracy. I believe Fiverr's servers are in Israel.

However, Google is fully capable of deindexing any site in the world if they suspect fraud. Look what they did to J.C. Penney for a time.

What do you think: Is Fiverr in danger and should it clean up its act?

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  • Profile picture of the author GMD
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    I don't think Fiverr is in any way in any kind of danger at all. Comparing the allegations from Megaupload with Fiverr is a stretch.

    And even if Google were to "deindex" Fiverr -- who cares? It just means they won't be found in Google's search results. As it stands, people know who and what Fiverr is and they would not suffer any decrease in traffic or business as a result of being taken out of Google's SERPs.
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  • Profile picture of the author FrankieTP2
    I don't think they could get shut down. But Google can force PayPal to remove its payment processor service from fiverr - if fiverr admins don't do anything about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author HairyPoppins
    The jump from Megaupload to fiverr is a bit of a big one. I doubt there's much to worry about. There's way too many sites that entirely exist because of piracy than fiverr is probably not even on the radar.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

    Is Fiverr in danger and should it clean up its act?
    I don't know whether it's in any danger, but I think it stands out a mile that it should clean up its act: some of what goes on there is a disgrace.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      I don't know whether it's in any danger, but I think it stands out a mile that it should clean up its act: some of what goes on there is a disgrace.

      Absolutely.

      Ive seen numerous sitepoint products listed on that site for $5.

      Its disgusting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      I don't know whether it's in any danger, but I think it stands out a mile that it should clean up its act: some of what goes on there is a disgrace.
      Spot on Alexa, it's become a scammers paradise over there and the people running the show don't seem to mind.
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    • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      I don't know whether it's in any danger, but I think it stands out a mile that it should clean up its act: some of what goes on there is a disgrace.
      As the old saying goes... 'You get what you pay for'. I'm not saying that there aren't some worthy giggs on there, but for $5 (Less after fee's), people aren't going to deliver great amounts.

      Maybe someone should launch 'Twentyy' for people to offer giggs that are more solid and worthwhile but for a bit more $.

      That's just my two cents anyway... I mean $5 :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      I don't know whether it's in any danger, but I think it stands out a mile that it should clean up its act: some of what goes on there is a disgrace.
      They're real fast about removing stuff when it's pointed out to them, but they should be proactive and put something in place to detect and remove it or not allow it to be listed in the first place.

      There's a lot of people selling pirated ebooks, but ebooks don't have the backing of the entertainment industry and law enforcement could really care less if people steal Internet Marketing ebooks. So it's not likely that they will even come into the feds radar.

      Fiverr needs to police it's own site if it wants to maintain any kind of decent reputation. Right now, it's becoming more like any other renegade black hat site. It's not just the piracy, but all the gigs like selling fake reviews, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Guru_Marketing
    Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

    I have to admit I didn't think of this myself. A commenter on my blog said, "I saw (AdSense click fraud) gigs like this on Fiverr and couldn’t figure out why they are allowed! There are also a lot of pirating gigs on Fiverr too. I love Fiverr, but they better clean up their act. I don’t want them to end up like MegaUpload!"

    If I'm not mistaken (and I may well be), Megaupload was hit because it had at least one server in the U.S. and because the entertainment industry is on a tear about piracy. I believe Fiverr's servers are in Israel.

    However, Google is fully capable of deindexing any site in the world if they suspect fraud. Look what they did to J.C. Penney for a time.

    What do you think: Is Fiverr in danger and should it clean up its act?

    fLufF
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    You worry too much fLufF :-) There are many other websites like Megaupload, but only Megaupload got hit, because they did not have good lawyers and asset protection. I do not know how Fiverr handles their TOS, and legal agreements, but they are quite important these days.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Guru_Marketing View Post

      only Megaupload got hit
      This month, yes.

      Originally Posted by Guru_Marketing View Post

      because they did not have good lawyers and asset protection.
      And, of course, because they were apparently facilitating a lot of law-breaking.
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      • Profile picture of the author Guru_Marketing
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        And, of course, because they were apparently facilitating a lot of law-breaking.
        That's for sure :-)

        The ignorance from not knowing the laws is not an excuse, but it's definitely an excuse for the ignorance of those who created them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Centurian
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        This month, yes.
        Absolutely.

        There is no security anymore. Any site is subject to immediate take down.

        Due to the multitude of fiat regulations, every citizen has broken at least four "laws" and is subject to prosecution and imprisonment. That's a fact.

        They just haven't decided to target you or your favorite site yet. That's a fact.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Buckley
      Originally Posted by Guru_Marketing View Post

      There are many other websites like Megaupload, but only Megaupload got hit
      Megaupload is not the only filesharing site to get hit,As a result of megaupload getting hit many have closed their affiliate programs and are mass deleting all its files. More Will be hit soon.
      I would hate to be an affiliate for these now.

      Found this on a Source website :

      4shared: Mass deletion of files
      MegaUpload: Closed by FBI
      MegaVideo: Closed by FBI
      FileJungle (FileServe): Mass deleting files,Blocking US IP's
      FilePost: suspending accounts with infringing material
      FileServe: Mass deletion, Closed affiliate program
      FileSonic (Fileserve): Closed file-sharing completely
      Hotfile: Started suspending accounts with infringing material
      MediaFire: has started to delete files & accounts
      MegaUpload: Closed by FBI
      MegaVideo: Closed by FBI
      UploadStation (FileServe): Mass deletion,blocking USA IP's
      Uploaded: Banned USA IP addresses
      VideoBB: Closed affiliate program
      VideoZer: Closed affiliate program
      Wupload: Closed affiliate program

      Now we have to go through ACTA. -.-
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  • Profile picture of the author Torro
    Fiverr is awesome. They should clean up a lot of stuff, not because they are in danger, but because it would make Fiverr better. Too much crap there now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Yudhistira Mauris
      Originally Posted by Torro View Post

      Fiverr is awesome. They should clean up a lot of stuff, not because they are in danger, but because it would make Fiverr better. Too much crap there now.
      Totally agree. Fiverr need to kick all the fraudulent gig out (such as adsense fraud click service, etc), and ban the user who sell copyrighted thing.
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      • Profile picture of the author flavius
        Originally Posted by maurisrx View Post

        Totally agree. Fiverr need to kick all the fraudulent gig out (such as adsense fraud click service, etc), and ban the user who sell copyrighted thing.
        The real issue has been exposed and it has nothing to do with illegal file sharing. Unfortunately you have a runaway government that is bought and paid for daily. Please read this carefully so you understand what really is happening. Thanks.

        In December of 2011, just weeks before the takedown, Digital Music News reported on something new that the creators of #Megaupload were about to unroll. Something that would rock the music industry to its core.

        I present to you... MegaBox. MegaBox was going to be an alternative music store that was entirely cloud-based and offered artists a better money-making opportunity than they would get with any record label.

        "UMG knows that we are going to compete with them via our own music venture called Megabox.com, a site that will soon allow artists to sell their creations directly to consumers while allowing artists to keep 90 percent of earnings," MegaUpload founder Kim 'Dotcom' Schmitz told Torrentfreak

        Not only did they plan on allowing artists to keep 90% of their earnings on songs that they sold, they wanted to pay them for songs they let users download for free.

        "We have a solution called the Megakey that will allow artists to earn income from users who download music for free," Dotcom outlined. "Yes that's right, we will pay artists even for free downloads. The Megakey business model has been tested with over a million users and it works."

        Kill Hollywood ...
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        • Profile picture of the author CreativeFlair
          Originally Posted by flavius View Post

          Please read this carefully so you understand what really is happening. Thanks.
          That is the most condescending post I've ever read lol.
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            Originally Posted by CreativeFlair View Post

            That is the most condescending post I've ever read lol.
            You must be new here
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            Originally Posted by CreativeFlair View Post

            That is the most condescending post I've ever read lol.
            Well, you've only been here a month, give it some time...
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  • Profile picture of the author mysterrio
    As long as there is money involved there will be both ethical and unethical marketers. I think we need to focus on how we can become ethical (not saying anyone here is unethical btw) and hope that sites will police their own.

    SOPA would knock out a good 3/4's of the internet (including fiverr) and it seems that got put on the back burner but that might well be just more smoke. I always try to ask what is the bigger picture? Does google care about fiverr? I am sure they are watching things like this at some level.
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  • Profile picture of the author sriram rajan
    megaupload is more content and less user interaction , hence an easy target for shutting down

    fiverr is more user interaction in terms of the gigs and hence piracy in terms of content is not a valid argument as was the case of megaupload...

    i am sure fiverr folks will be taking note, similar to what amazon did with the plr - kindle thing
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  • Profile picture of the author socialbacklinks
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    If the FBI was to take another site down.. The first website on their list would be

    thepiratebay
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    • Profile picture of the author ryannull
      Originally Posted by socialbacklinks View Post

      If the FBI was to take another site down.. The first website on their list would be

      thepiratebay
      I'm sure. Thepiratebay is a thorn in a lot of peoples side.

      They have tried for years to take them down, but unsuccessful. All their servers are in Sweden, I think. They can't be touched, yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
    fiverr policy doesn't allow pirated stuff, and the fact people are selling these gigs doesn't make fiverr liable but make the gig owner.

    fiverr has servers in U.S. and they are not only in Israel.

    This is beside Megaupload servers had the illegal downloads and it is not the case with fiverr, when someone selling you a pirated software, you are getting a link to it, and the pirated software probably on another sharing files websites.

    so in another way there is no any relation between what happen to megaupload and fiverr
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    • Profile picture of the author Tony Marriott
      Originally Posted by onegoodman View Post

      fiverr policy doesn't allow pirated stuff, and the fact people are selling these gigs doesn't make fiverr liable but make the gig owner.

      fiverr has servers in U.S. and they are not only in Israel.

      This is beside Megaupload servers had the illegal downloads and it is not the case with fiverr, when someone selling you a pirated software, you are getting a link to it, and the pirated software probably on another sharing files websites.

      so in another way there is no any relation between what happen to megaupload and fiverr
      I think that one is for the lawyers. I am no lawyer but i believe the charges of Megauploads covers things like conspiracy and facilitation.

      I believe fiverr will be looking very closely at this and changing their ways as will many other sites.

      They will also be looking to the results (convictions if any) of MegaUploads.

      Anyone who hosts, links to, facilites or conspires to abuse copyright should be looking at this with wide eyes. Anyone who does not is simply burying their heads in the sand.

      Although I am completely against restrictions on the internet and I want it to be a great place to find information and to trade, the reality is that at some level it does need policing.

      Where that line should be drawn, of course, will be different depending on your views or position.

      Regardless of SOPA or any other "new" legislation there are still existing laws that most people operate by in the offline world so why should they not abide by them online.

      As for MegaUploads, well..........

      If you are getting picked on by everyone in the playground what do you do?

      You find one of the biggest stupidest bullies and sucker punch him right in front of everyone.

      Thats' what they've done with MegaUploads and they will now be expecting more respect and more than a few people to change their ways.

      Again with fiverr, Yes they do have gigs that sell pirated or illegal products. I don't think anyone can deny that.

      fiverr policy doesn't allow pirated stuff
      I doubt whether MegaUploads policy allowed it either. That is not the point. The point is that they allowed it to happen.
      In the real world if something illegal continuously takes place on your premises and you do nothing to stop it, it's a fair bet you will eventually be in trouble. Putting a sign saying" no drug dealing" is not going to hold much weight in front of the judge.


      This is beside Megaupload servers had the illegal downloads and it is not the case with fiverr, when someone selling you a pirated software, you are getting a link to it, and the pirated software probably on another sharing files websites.


      But fiverr facilitate the illegal transactions regardless of where the goods are. AND take a cut of the proceeds (profiting from crime?).


      In my view they may be safe from prosecution currently but the expectation is that these "facilitators" should clean up their acts.


      And that must be better for business long term. I for one would like to be confident that I could go to fiverr and get exactly what I was promised and not have to worry about whether it's legit or not or that I might find a DMCA notice slapped on me.
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  • Profile picture of the author QJN
    Fiverr is not a sharing website like megaupload..it's completely different plus Fiverr has more control...they have each member's information...they know who you are!
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  • Profile picture of the author timbarker
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    As far as I know, Fiverr is strict in accepting gigs. Maybe the commenter of Fluff's blog is just a spammer and just want to ruin Fiverr's reputation. I saw some traffic gigs that are adsense safe but I've never seen adsense clicks gig.

    Anyway, all web properties must be strict now. Not just Fiverr. All companies can be taken down if they violate rules!
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by timbarker View Post

      As far as I know, Fiverr is strict in accepting gigs. Maybe the commenter of Fluff's blog is just a spammer and just want to ruin Fiverr's reputation. I saw some traffic gigs that are adsense safe but I've never seen adsense clicks gig.

      Anyway, all web properties must be strict now. Not just Fiverr. All companies can be taken down if they violate rules!
      If Fiverr is strict, what are they doing approving those gigs where people are offering to fill out CPA offers for $5?
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  • Profile picture of the author kylenelson24
    I think fiverr will be just fine. I mean if anything there are tons of fiverr knowoffs now
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  • Profile picture of the author KyleFury
    Fiverr is far from being shut down. The next in line are other file sharing sites such as Mediafire (please no!).
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  • Profile picture of the author AppsFromHome
    It's not a sharing website, no, but there are gigs offering $200+ software downloads for $5.

    Or there are plenty of people performing copyrighted songs in their videos...there is just a lot going on there that could be considered illegal.

    I like Fiverr and use it ALL the time, so I am not in favor of it shutting down by any means....but I think they should start to get more strict on listings.
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  • Profile picture of the author AppsFromHome
    Don't forget how smart these guys are though, they keep eluding laws with creative ways....the Pirate Bay should have been gone a long time ago, but are still going strong.
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    • Profile picture of the author fluffythewondercat
      Thanks, everyone, for your replies. Most people seem to think Fiverr should take action to get rid of the dodgy gigs. I agree.

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      • Profile picture of the author SamuelUherek
        Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

        Thanks, everyone, for your replies. Most people seem to think Fiverr should take action to get rid of the dodgy gigs. I agree.

        fLufF
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        Definitely! I really like Fiverr, but some of the gigs should go down. Although Fiverr try to filter the gigs they should not be there, it seems that somehow it's not enough what they do.

        fLufF, interesting how many people are for cleaning up some gigs.
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    I have seen these type google approved ads.

    Get your adsesne account in 2000 Rs
    We will create adsense account for you or your business in just 2000 Rs.
    Ads by Google


    So, Fiverr is not against any act For google adsense TOS.
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  • Profile picture of the author wrongnumber
    if you start creating a list... like a hit list... mega-upload first and so on... then I believe... Fiverr will rank somewhere after millions of those torrent websites... pirate forums... vague blogs (millions on blogspot itself)...

    next... megaupload was basically banned by FBI and Google had no role in it... they say (and they actually did) megaupload facilitated piracy... and yeah why not.. lets say i downloaded you WSO... and uploaded it on megaupload (or even rapid share, or filefactory) you will never know, but I can pass on the links or lets say resell it for 25% of the costs whats the big deal?... megaupload never profited from such transactions but only earned through traffic and ads...

    Funny though... reading the legal threats to ThePirateBay here... Its quite funny.. how lightly they take it...
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    • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
      The accusations against Megaupload are quite different from anything I've heard Fiverr accused of. Although there are certainly individuals who use Fiverr as a conduit for infringement (as could happen with any such website), and those people should obviously be barred from using the site, I don't think Fiverr itself has anything to worry about, legally.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hersh
    This is truly possible. There are dozens of Fiverr's selling fake reviews and testimonials. If
    SOPA will not get them, FTC will soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
      Originally Posted by Mike Hersh View Post

      This is truly possible. There are dozens of Fiverr's selling fake reviews and testimonials. If
      SOPA will not get them, FTC will soon.
      What's even worse is that most of these "video testimonials" are done by college students who feel it is a great way of earning some quick cash.

      What they don't realize is that when they eventually go into the workforce, their credibility takes an instant hit once the companies screen the candidates. And we all know that corporations are increasingly looking into social media to know more about their candidates before hiring.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
      Originally Posted by Mike Hersh View Post

      This is truly possible. There are dozens of Fiverr's selling fake reviews and testimonials. If
      SOPA will not get them, FTC will soon.
      The official Fiverr blog actually promotes one seller who engages in this activity, and allows him to present the Fiverr podcast.
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  • Profile picture of the author perfectlovehere
    I was a little bit worried when I saw your thread title. I don't think fiverr will get hit but then again anything's possible. I'm more concerned about youtube.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryuchi
    No, I don't see Fiverr disappearing any time soon. Both are in different sides of the field, megaupload has been really a hot target ever since because of copyright issues of the files being uploaded to their site. I am not saying that there is nothing copyrighted in fiverr but I believe that their time is not yet coming.

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  • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
    I have a feeling mega upload wasn't shut down for copyright issues otherwise all the others would have gone too. It's a much more serious shut down
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  • Profile picture of the author manicmethods
    What I don't get is why ONLY MegaUpload?

    Surely EVERY file sharing website in the world should be shut down? No? (Well with servers in the States)

    You cannot tell me that there is a file sharing website with 100% legal file uploaded to it. DropBox is probably used to share files illegally... So is that to say DropBox is to be shut down?

    It's all getting a bit out of control... Next we'll see Warrior Forum getting shut down for quoting blog posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
    Fiverr.com may become a lightning rod for over zealous prosecution if they don't get rid of the really egregious offensive gigs. Some of the gigs are just blatant theft. There's no defending them and the admins should clean shop asap.
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  • Profile picture of the author Witty
    Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post


    However, Google is fully capable of deindexing any site in the world if they suspect fraud. Look what they did to J.C. Penney for a time.
    I wonder if they'll take down video sharing sites that have copyrighted movie clips then?

    Hmm...
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    Interesting thread, I do think that fiverr has some issues they need to "manage" but the business model is very different than that "other" company that existed as a primary method of distributing pirated goods, (allegedly)

    Fiverr does need to consider the hand writing on the wall, as well as a lot of other organizations also need to "Police their own space"

    The one thing that we should all take away from this is that if a website does not take care of business, "Someone else will do it for you"

    I really think we will start to see compliance begin to go up among many websites online, including this one, the truth is that we know that there are certain business models that use deceptive advertising, they make promises they cannot keep, they make money hand over fist and leave many users in the lurch with a bad taste in their mouths, this leads to complaints, and then complaints lead to anger, and anger leads to reports to the FTC.

    I know this is unpopular, but we really have to deal with this issue because if we do not keep the place clean, someone else will do it and they will not really care about the good that happens in this industry, they will throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    To stop this kind of thing from getting out of hand we have to examine what is trash and what is a viable product.
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    • Profile picture of the author fluffythewondercat
      I for one would like to be confident that I could go to fiverr and get exactly what I was promised and not have to worry about whether it's legit or not or that I might find a DMCA notice slapped on me.

      I wholeheartedly agree.

      Question: Would you be willing to pay more than $5 if you could be certain the site was actively policing gigs?

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  • Profile picture of the author canada94
    I reguarly use Fiverr, but would have to agree, there is a lot of dodgy stuff on there now, not that i would go for it though.


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  • Profile picture of the author Bwarded
    One thing I've wondered is how a site like Project Free TV stays up? I never hear anything about them.
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  • Profile picture of the author richgrad
    I don't know about fiverr but filesonic just screwed its affiliates and customers... I have a lifetime membership which just became worthless because of its recent changes (to avoid ending up like megaupload)
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  • Profile picture of the author packerfan
    Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

    I have to admit I didn't think of this myself. A commenter on my blog said, "I saw (AdSense click fraud) gigs like this on Fiverr and couldn't figure out why they are allowed! There are also a lot of pirating gigs on Fiverr too. I love Fiverr, but they better clean up their act. I don't want them to end up like MegaUpload!"

    If I'm not mistaken (and I may well be), Megaupload was hit because it had at least one server in the U.S. and because the entertainment industry is on a tear about piracy. I believe Fiverr's servers are in Israel.

    However, Google is fully capable of deindexing any site in the world if they suspect fraud. Look what they did to J.C. Penney for a time.

    What do you think: Is Fiverr in danger and should it clean up its act?

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    I don't google deindexing Fiverr would have much impact on their business at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author perfectlovehere
    Well that, swop or whatever the bill was called, might even shutdown youtube etc. Torrents might even be shutdown too. Even legit ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author AbdullahKaragoz
    But isn't there a difference between:

    A) Allowing users to share material that infringe copyrights on your website, and do nothing about it

    B) Not allowing users to share material that infringe copyrights on your website, but you haven't just 100 % control, 100 % control is very difficult, and so it will be always some materials that infringe copyrights

    ????

    If not, it would be very very hard and difficult to manage a web 2.0 website, like forums, or blogs where commenting is allowed.

    (You have to check properly every post's and comment's content, if they contain copyright infringing content or not, before you allow them. And I think doing this is very hard and difficult).
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    Fiverr's thriving fake review gigs is what could get them in a jam. The FTC is cracking down and now there is a lot of media attention on the fake reviews (buying, bribing, etc)...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/te...iews.html?_r=2

    That, along with some of the other shoddy stuff on Fiverr could spell trouble if they don't start cleaning up after themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobuzz
    I don't think Fiverr will not fall into this trap. Simply because Fiverr has some good moderators while in case of megaupload there were none.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tonylee93
    Honestly, I don`t think that Fiverr is going to have a problem, They have a great reputation on the internet and that is what matters when it comes to keeping things around. Fiverr has great people on there supporting the work and actually doing the write thing. I am sure that fiverr will be fine because their reputation is so well.
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  • Profile picture of the author redfield
    I don't get it. Fiverr and MegaUpload are completely 2 different business models.
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  • Profile picture of the author Studio13
    Yup — I'm a little confused as to why Fiverr is in question as well. If providers are scamming or pirating, the Fiverr ad should be indexed, and not Fiverr it's self. Much like any duplicate content penalty. And if it's a scam gig, the user community will leave feedback that reflects that.
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  • Profile picture of the author momo14
    megaupload and fiverr are two different things, i dont know why people are comparing this. Fiverr will never get shutdown.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    Even before this takedown of MegaUpload, I found Fiverr to be very accommodating about removing copyrighted material...as long as you can show them the evidence that you own the rights.
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  • Profile picture of the author thinktwice
    Fiverr will stay... but will get sued if they don't clean their ****. That's pretty much it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    Fiverr.com is totally different to Megaupload for sure...

    Fiverr.com is more like Craigslist
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