Advice for Beginners!

by JacobR
22 replies
Two part thread:

(A) How would you start if you have 0$ to spend?

(B) What threads would you recommend for those new to the world of IM?


I will be moving quotes and links up to this post to organize.

Originally Posted by kdbbdl View Post

A )- do some article writing
- make a free blog , put product in it, create videos about your product and put the link in video description
- make a blog, drive traffic to it via google alerts
- make a blog where you resell fiverr gigs

B) learn seo
Originally Posted by GMD View Post

(A) If I had zero revenue to start, I'd start by learning new skills that are 1) needed by others in the IM world and 2) command a fair, yet decent, payment for said skills and start marketing my services to other IMers around here and on other sites.

REMEMBER: During the Gold Rush there was two ways to get rich. The first was to strike it rich mining for gold and the second way to get rich was selling the tools other miners needed to do their work.

In the IM world it's the same: you're either selling the tools and products to other IMers or you're in business for yourself trying to mine your own gold.

(B) As for which threads? Different strokes for different folks. I'd read as many of them as possible, take notes on key words and strategies and make liberal use of the "search button". Eventually, you're brain will click after reading a lot of different material and you'll be drawn to one particular niche that would work for you!
Originally Posted by MattWell View Post

1) If I had no money to start with, I would either take a skill I already have, such as writing, or learn a new skill, and find someone who needs someone with that skill for a project. Look on places like oDesk, Elance, Craigslist, even on here. To improve your chances of getting hired, you should have a good portfolio of work or, if you don't have much experience, do a first draft or design preview and send it to them with your application.

2) Depends on what your interests are. There are lots of ways to make money online and this forum is a great place to expand your knowledge on them. You could maybe consider affiliate marketing, list building, product creation, freelancing, website flipping or something else. Just browse this forum, find something that gets you excited and learn more about it. Formulate a plan of action and run with it.

Good luck and take care.
Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

1) Get a Blogger blog and make money with adsense

2) Use the search function of this forum
Originally Posted by MarketingMinded View Post

If I had no money and wanted to get started with IM:

1. Start a free Wordpress blog. Create content that gets immediate results for readers early, often, and continuously.

2. Create a free pdf report packed with your best stuff, create a "timeless" resource. Offer it for download on your blog

3. Start an email list with Mailchimp, start building a list from day one.

4. Start a Facebook Fan Page, and create a tab for your MailChimp account. Engage and build your audience organically by offering great content and troubleshooting problems.

5. Reach out to other bloggers in your niche and land a few guest post on other notable blogs.

6. Once you get a small but loyal following of about 100-200 people, start doing free webinars using AnyMeeting and create as much value as humanly possible.

7. After doing about 5 or so free webinars, you can host a paid webinar OR a fre webinar and pitch a product/service at the end. (ie: detailed report, consulting service)

If I had to start all over, it'd go a route similar to this. It would take a ton of hustle but it's more than possible to build a rather large following from ground zero.
Originally Posted by Allan_Gardyne View Post

MarketingMinded offers really good advice.

One thing I'd add... avoid any of the "How to make money online" type niches. It looks ludicrous if you're trying to give advice on how to make money when you obviously can't afford to buy a domain name and decent web hosting.

Instead, perhaps start with some sort of hobby niche, where your CONTENT is what matters most. People will forgive all sorts of amateurish mistakes if your content is genuinely helpful.

I'm speaking from experience. My first site was free-hosted on space provided by my ISP and it was No.1 in Google for about a decade because it provided heaps of useful stuff that attracted links. Built it 1996, it still generates useful revenue.
Originally Posted by SOCAL777 View Post

A) Fiverr.
B) There's so many quality threads around here it's hard to narrow it down to just a few.
Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

A. Forum marketing in a forum that allows sigs and is in something you know a lot about. {not marketing for you}

B. Spend time on the forum. Read. Learn. Contribute. Synthesize. Take action.
Originally Posted by Adie View Post

Don't be sad because you don't have money to start.
I started without even having a paypal, creditcard, or anything online in 2003.
I made a blog - a personal blog at blogger.com and posted anything I want (my daily life, hobbies, interests, etc) no porn, gambling, liquor and the like...
Because I enjoyed doing it, I was addicted to post whatever that comes to mind daily without noticing that other people are reading my blog and following my posts.
Someone suggested to apply with adsense. I did and made it.
By running that personal blog, I learned many things like SEO, some designs and basic coding...

I received my first adsense check after almost 4 months. After that, I was receiving checks almost every month (not a big amount but its a big motivation). I transferred my blog to wordpress after 2 years and sold to the owners of webpronews. Since then I learned a lot (and continues to learn)..

It took me around 2 years to receive my first adsense check. A college graduate took 4 years of schooling before finding a job (if lucky)

I am not telling you to follow me. Just give your self time in learning and stay away form quick, fast, easy money hypes.
Originally Posted by rising_sun View Post

For
A)try to get loan from my nearest and dearest one
B)try to learn more and more before starting IM .
Originally Posted by DerekGann View Post

1. I would rather start selling my service in different market place and make some capital

2. Search function above. Also I would Google it "KEYWORD+WARRIOR FORUM"
Originally Posted by mcsl View Post

1. I would figure and focus on where my passions lie, i.e is it IM, is it Health, Dating, Sport... Pick an area of interest and then focus on a Niche within that interest. That way you'll make it work 110%, as you'd be genuinely interested to succeed and more likely to stick to it.

For newbies, its like there can be too much information overload [IMG]file:///C:/Users/Lee/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG], especially in IM. No need to fall into multiple rabbit-holes to make that dream come true, the idea is to focus and you shall succeed. Many products/ Programs make exceptional claims that you can get rich quick, whilst it can happen, but you're only really ending up making the sellers rich, as they are on to of the food chain.

Seek advice or model your goal on someone who's already having success, and have free discussions and join groups not necessarily a Guru, but not a bad idea either- as long as you don't buy into false hopes).
If you like writing then yeah, start a free blog and as mentioned previously, promote an affiliate offer related to your topic, whilst building a subscriber list. Really engage them on updates etc...

Oh and don't be afraid to ask questions, they can be door openers. Questions are good, they can help you get from A to B!

2. Threads.. that depends on your interest, but if you take advice from my answer above checkout threads relating to optimizing blogging, list building and whatever else you decide to focus on.

All the Best!
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Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

I'm going to skip your A/B scenario and give this very important bit of advice: STOP STARTING WITH THE IM NICHE.
Originally Posted by RanD View Post

I am assuming that you don't have literally $0, but are just emphasizing that you don't want to spend a lot of money to start.

If you literally have $0 to your name, they you might want to do some article writing or fiverr gigs to make a little cash initially.


Making money (online or off), is about 3 things: Traffic, conversion of that traffic (to sales or opt-in list), and monetizing that traffic.

The biggest part of this is doing proper niche research, specifically "keyword research" and "market research". "Keyword research" to find the long-tailed keywords that people search for, and that have low competition. "Market research" to determine if there is money to be made with those keywords, and how you will monetize for it.

After that, whatever type of site you build will need quality content, so pick something you like, or are at least are somewhat interested in....but only if it passed the keyword and market research. Along with the good content focus on good on-page SEO. If done right, that alone will get you ranked for some of your long-tailed keyword phrases. For more competitive keywords you will need to then focus on off-page SEO and backlinking strategies.

Always track your sites traffic. Google Analytics is free and provides tons of information about your traffic, not just about how much you are getting, but where it is coming from, and keywords people used in the various search engines to find your site.

If you aren't getting traffic, reevaluate your keyword research and SEO strategies. If you are getting lots of traffic but no conversions, either your copy (sales copy or content) is bad, the product is not appealing, or your market research was faulty (you chose keywords where people are only looking for free information).

Those are the basics. Use the advanced search tool here on the forums to search for each of those elements (keyword research, market research, on-page SEO, monetizing, etc...) and you will find plenty of "free" information on what you need to do. That is all you need to start making money.


There are several free web 2.0 properties that you could start with, but since they could take down your site on a whim, that is risky. Some have had good success with them, other have had terrible experiences. Facebook is free, and seems to be fairly marketing friendly, so you might want to learn how to market with that first, if you think you would like the social aspects. It does require a little more finesse, and would limit your niche options. Some things simply aren't social.

If you do have SOME money, I would suggest learning how to use wordpress. There are plenty of sites with free video tutorials. You can play around with the basics by creating a blog on Wordpress.com, but ultimately you would want a wordpress blog that you can do whatever you want with. Wordpress is free to download from wordpress.org, and you can download applications to run wordpress locally on a virtual server, to get familiar with it. Once you are, I would suggest buying a domain, and hosting, and using the concepts above.

Remember to do your keyword and market research FIRST, and since you only want to buy the one domain initially, make sure you do your research thoroughly BEFORE buying a domain. If you did that right, you should see traffic trickling in in a very short period of time, and you initial investment for the domain and hosting will get paid off quickly.
Originally Posted by madarazama View Post

I would do
CPA
Adsense

One the $ starts rollin' in...build a team.
then JV with the top gun [IMG]file:///C:/Users/Lee/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image002.gif[/IMG]
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  • Profile picture of the author kdbbdl
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    A )- do some article writing
    - make a free blog , put product in it, create videos about your product and put the link in video description
    - make a blog, drive traffic to it via google alerts
    - make a blog where you resell fiverr gigs

    B) learn seo
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  • Profile picture of the author GMD
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    Originally Posted by JacobR View Post

    Two part thread:

    (A) How would you start if you have 0$ to spend?

    (B) What threads would you recommend for those new to the world of IM?


    I will be moving quotes and links up to this post to organize.
    (A) If I had zero revenue to start, I'd start by learning new skills that are 1) needed by others in the IM world and 2) command a fair, yet decent, payment for said skills and start marketing my services to other IMers around here and on other sites.

    REMEMBER: During the Gold Rush there was two ways to get rich. The first was to strike it rich mining for gold and the second way to get rich was selling the tools other miners needed to do their work.

    In the IM world it's the same: you're either selling the tools and products to other IMers or you're in business for yourself trying to mine your own gold.

    (B) As for which threads? Different strokes for different folks. I'd read as many of them as possible, take notes on key words and strategies and make liberal use of the "search button". Eventually, you're brain will click after reading a lot of different material and you'll be drawn to one particular niche that would work for you!
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  • Profile picture of the author MattWell
    1) If I had no money to start with, I would either take a skill I already have, such as writing, or learn a new skill, and find someone who needs someone with that skill for a project. Look on places like oDesk, Elance, Craigslist, even on here. To improve your chances of getting hired, you should have a good portfolio of work or, if you don't have much experience, do a first draft or design preview and send it to them with your application.

    2) Depends on what your interests are. There are lots of ways to make money online and this forum is a great place to expand your knowledge on them. You could maybe consider affiliate marketing, list building, product creation, freelancing, website flipping or something else. Just browse this forum, find something that gets you excited and learn more about it. Formulate a plan of action and run with it.

    Good luck and take care.
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    For more of my knowledge, go to my blog at MatthewWellington.co.uk

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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    1) Get a Blogger blog and make money with adsense

    2) Use the search function of this forum
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingMinded
    If I had no money and wanted to get started with IM:

    1. Start a free Wordpress blog. Create content that gets immediate results for readers early, often, and continuously.

    2. Create a free pdf report packed with your best stuff, create a "timeless" resource. Offer it for download on your blog

    3. Start an email list with Mailchimp, start building a list from day one.

    4. Start a Facebook Fan Page, and create a tab for your MailChimp account. Engage and build your audience organically by offering great content and troubleshooting problems.

    5. Reach out to other bloggers in your niche and land a few guest post on other notable blogs.

    6. Once you get a small but loyal following of about 100-200 people, start doing free webinars using AnyMeeting and create as much value as humanly possible.

    7. After doing about 5 or so free webinars, you can host a paid webinar OR a fre webinar and pitch a product/service at the end. (ie: detailed report, consulting service)

    If I had to start all over, it'd go a route similar to this. It would take a ton of hustle but it's more than possible to build a rather large following from ground zero.
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    • Profile picture of the author Allan_Gardyne
      MarketingMinded offers really good advice.

      One thing I'd add... avoid any of the "How to make money online" type niches. It looks ludicrous if you're trying to give advice on how to make money when you obviously can't afford to buy a domain name and decent web hosting.

      Instead, perhaps start with some sort of hobby niche, where your CONTENT is what matters most. People will forgive all sorts of amateurish mistakes if your content is genuinely helpful.

      I'm speaking from experience. My first site was free-hosted on space provided by my ISP and it was No.1 in Google for about a decade because it provided heaps of useful stuff that attracted links. Built it 1996, it still generates useful revenue.
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      I've sold AssociatePrograms.com - to an old friend
      http://www.associateprograms.com/art...ld-friend.html

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  • Profile picture of the author SOCAL777
    Originally Posted by JacobR View Post

    Two part thread:

    (A) How would you start if you have 0$ to spend?

    (B) What threads would you recommend for those new to the world of IM?


    I will be moving quotes and links up to this post to organize.
    A) Fiverr.
    B) There's so many quality threads around here it's hard to narrow it down to just a few.
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  • This question really depends on what exactly your looking to do?

    How do you want to make your money?

    As an affiliate? CPA? Build squidoo lenses? Adsense via youtube videos?

    Not sure of any threads to recommend but am pretty sure people are gonna cover the usual topics:

    Article marketing as an affiliate
    YouTube videos as an affiliate
    Facebook marketing with a fan page and so on.

    Like I said this all really depends on you as a person and what your interest are and ultimately what your goals are.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ed Micah
    Basically, the key thoughts of making money is to 'sell' something.
    By writing convincing articles, recording convincing videos that reviews products can convince someone else to buy a product, and you earn the commission.

    Perhaps, you should check out my signature to learn how to start in the internet marketing world
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  • ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    LOL yep just check sigs ya will get there one day!
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  • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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    A. Forum marketing in a forum that allows sigs and is in something you know a lot about. {not marketing for you}

    B. Spend time on the forum. Read. Learn. Contribute. Synthesize. Take action.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    Originally Posted by JacobR View Post

    Two part thread:

    (A) How would you start if you have 0$ to spend?

    (B) What threads would you recommend for those new to the world of IM?


    I will be moving quotes and links up to this post to organize.
    Don't be sad because you don't have money to start.
    I started without even having a paypal, creditcard, or anything online in 2003.
    I made a blog - a personal blog at blogger.com and posted anything I want (my daily life, hobbies, interests, etc) no porn, gambling, liquor and the like...
    Because I enjoyed doing it, I was addicted to post whatever that comes to mind daily without noticing that other people are reading my blog and following my posts.
    Someone suggested to apply with adsense. I did and made it.
    By running that personal blog, I learned many things like SEO, some designs and basic coding...

    I received my first adsense check after almost 4 months. After that, I was receiving checks almost every month (not a big amount but its a big motivation). I transferred my blog to wordpress after 2 years and sold to the owners of webpronews. Since then I learned a lot (and continues to learn)..

    It took me around 2 years to receive my first adsense check. A college graduate took 4 years of schooling before finding a job (if lucky)

    I am not telling you to follow me. Just give your self time in learning and stay away form quick, fast, easy money hypes.

    here is another thread to read:
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-start-im.html
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  • Profile picture of the author rising_sun
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    A)try to get loan from my nearest and dearest one
    B)try to learn more and more before starting IM .
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  • Profile picture of the author DerekGann
    1. I would rather start selling my service in different market place and make some capital

    2. Search function above. Also I would Google it "KEYWORD+WARRIOR FORUM"
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    • Profile picture of the author mcsl
      1. I would figure and focus on where my passions lie, i.e is it IM, is it Health, Dating, Sport... Pick an area of interest and then focus on a Niche within that interest. That way you'll make it work 110%, as you'd be genuinely interested to succeed and more likely to stick to it.

      For newbies, its like there can be too much information overload :confused:, especially in IM. No need to fall into multiple rabbit-holes to make that dream come true, the idea is to focus and you shall succeed. Many products/ Programs make exceptional claims that you can get rich quick, whilst it can happen, but you're only really ending up making the sellers rich, as they are on to of the food chain.

      Seek advice or model your goal on someone who's already having success, and have free discussions and join groups not necessarily a Guru, but not a bad idea either- as long as you don't buy into false hopes).
      If you like writing then yeah, start a free blog and as mentioned previously, promote an affiliate offer related to your topic, whilst building a subscriber list. Really engage them on updates etc...

      Oh and don't be afraid to ask questions, they can be door openers. Questions are good, they can help you get from A to B!

      2. Threads.. that depends on your interest, but if you take advice from my answer above checkout threads relating to optimizing blogging, list building and whatever else you decide to focus on.

      All the Best!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    I'm going to skip your A/B scenario and give this very important bit of advice: STOP STARTING WITH THE IM NICHE.
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    • Profile picture of the author RanD
      Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

      I'm going to skip your A/B scenario and give this very important bit of advice: STOP STARTING WITH THE IM NICHE.
      Absolutely. I have to agree with that 100%. For some reason many newbies start with the IM niche, when they don't even know how it works themselves.

      New people will have a much greater chance of success by starting outside of the IM niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author RanD
    I am assuming that you don't have literally $0, but are just emphasizing that you don't want to spend a lot of money to start.

    If you literally have $0 to your name, they you might want to do some article writing or fiverr gigs to make a little cash initially.


    Making money (online or off), is about 3 things: Traffic, conversion of that traffic (to sales or opt-in list), and monetizing that traffic.

    The biggest part of this is doing proper niche research, specifically "keyword research" and "market research". "Keyword research" to find the long-tailed keywords that people search for, and that have low competition. "Market research" to determine if there is money to be made with those keywords, and how you will monetize for it.

    After that, whatever type of site you build will need quality content, so pick something you like, or are at least are somewhat interested in....but only if it passed the keyword and market research. Along with the good content focus on good on-page SEO. If done right, that alone will get you ranked for some of your long-tailed keyword phrases. For more competitive keywords you will need to then focus on off-page SEO and backlinking strategies.

    Always track your sites traffic. Google Analytics is free and provides tons of information about your traffic, not just about how much you are getting, but where it is coming from, and keywords people used in the various search engines to find your site.

    If you aren't getting traffic, reevaluate your keyword research and SEO strategies. If you are getting lots of traffic but no conversions, either your copy (sales copy or content) is bad, the product is not appealing, or your market research was faulty (you chose keywords where people are only looking for free information).

    Those are the basics. Use the advanced search tool here on the forums to search for each of those elements (keyword research, market research, on-page SEO, monetizing, etc...) and you will find plenty of "free" information on what you need to do. That is all you need to start making money.


    There are several free web 2.0 properties that you could start with, but since they could take down your site on a whim, that is risky. Some have had good success with them, other have had terrible experiences. Facebook is free, and seems to be fairly marketing friendly, so you might want to learn how to market with that first, if you think you would like the social aspects. It does require a little more finesse, and would limit your niche options. Some things simply aren't social.

    If you do have SOME money, I would suggest learning how to use wordpress. There are plenty of sites with free video tutorials. You can play around with the basics by creating a blog on Wordpress.com, but ultimately you would want a wordpress blog that you can do whatever you want with. Wordpress is free to download from wordpress.org, and you can download applications to run wordpress locally on a virtual server, to get familiar with it. Once you are, I would suggest buying a domain, and hosting, and using the concepts above.

    Remember to do your keyword and market research FIRST, and since you only want to buy the one domain initially, make sure you do your research thoroughly BEFORE buying a domain. If you did that right, you should see traffic trickling in in a very short period of time, and you initial investment for the domain and hosting will get paid off quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author jenmidas
    I would do
    CPA
    Adsense

    One the $ starts rollin' in...build a team.
    then JV with the top gun
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  • Profile picture of the author JacobR
    Thanks everyone!
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    • Profile picture of the author johnwp
      Great advice, it will come very handy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Marden
    I concur...Don't Start with the IM Niche....Its very complicated and not good when you are selling reconstituted PLR shwag to the newest newbie to enter the forum. Not a good way to learn if you ask me. Start with Dog Training
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