List Building Question, Do You Broadcast Over the Top Of Your Autoresponder Sequence ??

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Hi guys,

Just a quick question on something thats been bothering me

If i have a 10 day autoresponder sequence set up in my aweber account and the first subs are sent though the sequence when the time comes to send braodcasts out to these guys wouldn`t it look bad to the new subs who are in the middle of my 10 day autoresponder `relationship` building sequence to be receiving 2 emails in 1 day ?

Thanks Jim
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
    I usually have a specific 30-day autoresponder sequence
    that has been designed to take the new subscriber through
    a planned sequence of e-mails.

    (This includes providing content, relationship building as well
    as making offers).

    Therefore, I don't want any of my broadcasts interrupting
    the planned autoresponder sequence during the initial
    30-day period, so I segment my list so that the newest
    subscribers do NOT receive a broadcast message within
    the first 30-days.

    After the 30-day period, I hope that the subscriber will
    know and trust me enough not to be too bothered about
    receiving a broadcast and autoresponder message on the
    same day if it occurs.

    Dedicated to mutual success,

    Shaun
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    • Profile picture of the author sabluuk
      Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly View Post

      I usually have a specific 30-day autoresponder sequence
      that has been designed to take the new subscriber through
      a planned sequence of e-mails.

      (This includes providing content, relationship building as well
      as making offers).

      Therefore, I don't want any of my broadcasts interrupting
      the planned autoresponder sequence during the initial
      30-day period, so I segment my list so that the newest
      subscribers do NOT receive a broadcast message within
      the first 30-days.

      After the 30-day period, I hope that the subscriber will
      know and trust me enough not to be too bothered about
      receiving a broadcast and autoresponder message on the
      same day if it occurs.

      Dedicated to mutual success,

      Shaun
      This is in my opinion the best way to do it.
      Now another thing you could do is add [Course] infront of your subject (ofcourse if your autoresponder is a course ). That way people can easily seperate "normal" mails from the autoresponder mails.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
      Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly View Post

      I usually have a specific 30-day autoresponder sequence
      that has been designed to take the new subscriber through
      a planned sequence of e-mails.

      (This includes providing content, relationship building as well
      as making offers).

      Therefore, I don't want any of my broadcasts interrupting
      the planned autoresponder sequence during the initial
      30-day period, so I segment my list so that the newest
      subscribers do NOT receive a broadcast message within
      the first 30-days.

      After the 30-day period, I hope that the subscriber will
      know and trust me enough not to be too bothered about
      receiving a broadcast and autoresponder message on the
      same day if it occurs.

      Dedicated to mutual success,

      Shaun
      Thats exactly what i want to do Shaun, Wow a 30 day sequence thats cool and can i ask do you have any affiliate links in that 30 day sequence for services like Aweber ?

      Because another area thats confusing is i have a few autoresponders set up already but i do have a few affiliate links ie Aweber and Odesk no WSO`s or CB stuff

      And do you have a auto responder sequence set up on your buyer/segmented list

      PS Just Bought Your WSO

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      • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
        Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

        Thats exactly what i want to do Shaun, Wow a 30 day sequence thats cool and can i ask do you have any affiliate links in that 30 day sequence for services like Aweber ?
        It depends upon what the topic of the list is and whether
        I think that the recommendation would add value to the
        subscriber.

        For example, I do recommend AWeber on lists related to
        list building as it's a natural fit and adds value to the
        subscriber.
        Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

        And do you have a auto responder sequence set up on your buyer/segmented list
        I don't currently have a similar 30-day sequence for all
        of my buyer's lists though it is something I'm working on.

        Dedicated to mutual success,

        Shaun
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Personally, I avoid broadcasts whenever possible, for a big variety of reasons.

          The first and most important reason, for me, is ...

          (i) Subscribers in many niches have told me in the past that they don't like "obvious broadcasts" because (a) they interrupt continuity, and (b) they make the sender look more like a marketer and less like a trusted provider of valuable information

          But I have a few other reasons, too ...

          (ii) It's very rare that I want everyone on a list to get the same information at the same time, regardless of how long they've been there and where they are in the series;

          (iii) It interferes with "subscriber expectation". It's really important, when opting people in, to set their expectations, and tell them exactly what they're going to receive and when. This dramatically increases open-rates and click-through rates. Sending "broadcasts" makes that very difficult;

          (iv) To me, it feels like "being in a hurry" and "aiming for quick sales" - exactly the things I like to avoid, because I earn far more in the long run by avoiding that.

          For me, the key concept is: interrupting continuity with an obvious promotion of something is really a much bigger deal than many people realise.

          It makes you look desperate to sell, and to many subscribers, understandably, that comes across very negatively and ruins your credibility and their trust.

          In my opinion, the people who imagine that isn't a big deal are typically those to whom open-rates of about 25% are acceptable (:p :rolleyes, perhaps partly because they have little awareness of customer perception of - for example - passing off a commissionable product-launch as "news". (In other words, not being aware of your customers' perspective very much at all!).

          People can easily tell this from whether the continuity of the process has been interrupted, i.e. whether it matches what you told them at the end of the previous message to be "watching out for in the next message, in 5 days' time", or whatever. This is a fundamental part of expectation-setting and continuity-maintenance.

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982
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          • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Personally, I avoid broadcasts whenever possible, for a big variety of reasons.

            The first and most important reason, for me, is ...

            (i) Subscribers in many niches have told me in the past that they don't like "obvious broadcasts" because (a) they interrupt continuity, and (b) they make the sender look more like a marketer and less like a trusted provider of valuable information

            But I have a few other reasons, too ...

            (ii) It's very rare that I want everyone on a list to get the same information at the same time, regardless of how long they've been there and where they are in the series;

            (iii) It interferes with "subscriber expectation". It's really important, when opting people in, to set their expectations, and tell them exactly what they're going to receive and when. This dramatically increases open-rates and click-through rates. Sending "broadcasts" makes that very difficult;

            (iv) To me, it feels like "being in a hurry" and "aiming for quick sales" - exactly the things I like to avoid, because I earn far more in the long run by avoiding that.

            For me, the key concept is: interrupting continuity with an obvious promotion of something is really a much bigger deal than many people realise.

            It makes you look desperate to sell, and to many subscribers, understandably, that comes across very negatively and ruins your credibility and their trust.

            In my opinion, the people who imagine that isn't a big deal are typically those to whom open-rates of about 25% are acceptable (:p :rolleyes, perhaps partly because they have little awareness of customer perception of - for example - passing off a commissionable product-launch as "news". (In other words, not being aware of your customers' perspective very much at all!).

            People can easily tell this from whether the continuity of the process has been interrupted, i.e. whether it matches what you told them at the end of the previous message to be "watching out for in the next message, in 5 days' time", or whatever. This is a fundamental part of expectation-setting and continuity-maintenance.

            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982
            Thank you for a great reply you seem to be on the far end of the scale where i see some guys who ad swop like crazy and blast their list with in some cases 3 emails a day, 2 WSO offers and a ad swop they burn their lists out quick but it doesn`t matter to them as they get like 1000 new subs a week with swops and the cycle goes on and on

            And then i see those who seem to be inbetween who create a good auto responder set up build some trust and then mail broadcasts with a mixture of WSOs and good quality information

            Who really makes the most money ? Who really has the best business ?

            James
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            • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
              An autoresponder message has pros and cons, just like
              a broadcast message has pros and cons.

              For example, with a broadcast message you can introduce
              timely content to better relate to where your subscribers
              at the point in time when they receive your message.

              So, you can use current events to give added relevance
              to your message and more easily enter the conversation
              that's already going on in the mind of your prospect.

              Autoresponder and broadcast messages are two distinctly
              different TOOLS that have been developed for distinctly
              different reasons.

              The key, is knowing which one to use and when.

              I wouldn't want to be e-mail marketing with just one or
              the other. Instead, I prefer to decide on the objective
              for the e-mail and then choose the most appropriate
              tool for the job.

              Dedicated to mutual success,

              Shaun
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

              Who really makes the most money ? Who really has the best business ?
              These are, indeed, "the big questions".

              Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

              i see some guys who ad swop like crazy and blast their list with in some cases 3 emails a day, 2 WSO offers and a ad swop they burn their lists out quick
              I suspect that these are the guys who think a 10%/15% open-rate is "normal", or even "good" (you even sometimes see them saying so!), and that "internet marketing" is a series of "hit-and-run" activities, and that a "rinse and repeat" model of business is a good thing, rather than a bad thing.

              Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

              And then i see those who seem to be inbetween who create a good auto responder set up build some trust and then mail broadcasts with a mixture of WSOs and good quality information
              Yes ... and this may work perfectly well for them, too. Personally, I'm convinced that I have far higher open-rates than them, but I can't prove it and this isn't necessarily everything, and they may have perfectly good businesses, for all I know. They may just be part of the "turnover" gradually disappearing from the forum because they've become too successful to bother posting here any more, rather than because they've dropped out of the business and aren't earning a living at all, as a skepchick might suspect. It's difficult to tell.

              I freely admit that I'm at one end of the spectrum on this question, and I offer you the observation that (as with anything to do with internet marketing) you're extremely unlikely to go far wrong by paying attention to everything Shaun (just above) says, because he always speaks from both good experience and good judgment.
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  • Profile picture of the author TeamBringIt
    Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

    Hi guys,

    Just a quick question on something thats been bothering me

    If i have a 10 day autoresponder sequence set up in my aweber account and the first subs are sent though the sequence when the time comes to send braodcasts out to these guys wouldn`t it look bad to the new subs who are in the middle of my 10 day autoresponder `relationship` building sequence to be receiving 2 emails in 1 day ?

    Thanks Jim
    I'd have them--go through the 10-day sequence and then start doing broadcasts.
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  • I personally have a 18-day follow up sequence, and I have coded in a customization so my broadcasts go out only to those who've been subscribed for more than 19 days. That way, fresh subscribers don't get distracted by my affiliate promotions while they're still within the "promote my own products only" 18-day period.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      I personally have a 18-day follow up sequence, and I have coded in a customization so my broadcasts go out only to those who've been subscribed for more than 19 days. That way, fresh subscribers don't get distracted by my affiliate promotions while they're still within the "promote my own products only" 18-day period.
      Can i ask how you do that ?? That sounds a great idea but i`m not much good at coding
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      • Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

        Can i ask how you do that ?? That sounds a great idea but i`m not much good at coding
        You cannot do that with a hosted solution (Aweber, iContact, etc). You need your own self-hosted email software.
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      • Profile picture of the author petelta
        Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

        Can i ask how you do that ?? That sounds a great idea but i`m not much good at coding
        You can accomplish this with segmenting your list as well.
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