Questions about Content Syndication

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I have a few questions and doubts that I have regarding content syndication, and I hope that someone will be able to answer them for me. I'll keep it short, and not waste much of your time with my questions.

Firstly, I want to know how do you approach the webmasters for syndication? I know that I have to contact them, but I'm confused between writing an exceptionally professional letter proposing a syndication, or sending an elaborate email about the similarities between our sites, and how my articles can have mutual benefits.

Second of all, I'm quite baffled about this part, do I tell the site owner that the article has been already published elsewhere; i.e., my site; and might get published further more as well down the line or do I let him figure it out for himself?

Let's get the ball rolling with these two questions first. I hope it helps other writers as well who are also looking for answers regarding content syndication.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Ali Anwar View Post

    Firstly, I want to know how do you approach the webmasters for syndication?
    Different people have different methods, Ali. They can all work. This is just what suits me ...

    I offer them one specific post and include it in the email so it's right there, in front of them.

    But I start off by talking about them and their site. I explain why I like it. I talk in detail about their approach, and their presentation, and their readers/visitors, and their interests, and their subject-matter, style, content, and so on. (You have to have a good look around their site to do this, which is time-consuming, but article syndication is a real relationship-building business and let's not pretend otherwise).

    I then try to tie in some observation about their visitors/site to the specifics of the content I'd like to offer them, free of charge, for publication, explaining why I think it's relevant and likely to be of interest to their visitors. (I think it's important to say "free of charge", not because I'm trying to avoid their imagining I want payment for it, but because I want to try to convey - without putting it this way at all - that I'm interested in doing them the favor, here.)

    I explain that the article's right here ("below my signature") and I paste it in, explaining that they're welcome to publish it with my link at the end (it'll just be "at the end", in a "first article") in clickable form. (So they've already read a lot and taken me seriously, I hope, before they see that I want a clickable link).

    I might also make it clear that I could possibly have other articles to offer them, also, in future, and that I'll never expect payment for them. I might also make it clear that I'd like to hear from them and be happy to chat about their niche, their site, their content and their shoes, but this is less important (apart from the shoes).

    I never send an attachment (I've got to reach their inbox!).

    I never send a link (other than the one attached to the article, of course) inviting them to look at my site. They'll look if they want to, and see an informative, content-rich site, not a salesy-looking site (which helps).

    What I send them will be basically an article "written for syndication"; it'll never mention a product; never sound as if it's selling or promoting anything at all; and while never having a salesy "call to action" at the end (let's not talk about "resource boxes" here: we're not dealing with an article directory), it'll make it clear to their readers that I have more to say at mysite.com.

    My overall aims, in the first instance, are simply (a) to offer and present them with something that they can immediately see is of potential value to them, and (b) to "get my stiletto-heeled foot in the door" and show them that I'm interested in building with them a relationship which will be useful and helpful to them.

    Originally Posted by Ali Anwar View Post

    I'm confused between writing an exceptionally professional letter proposing a syndication, or sending an elaborate email about the similarities between our sites, and how my articles can have mutual benefits.
    I don't mention my site at all. I don't want to interest them in my site. I want to show them my interest in theirs.

    I don't really mention "mutual benefits", either. I want to concentrate their attention on the fact that they can get benefits from me.

    For myself, I think the mistake to avoid is trying to be brief, on the grounds that "they're busy people and don't want to read a long email" or whatever. I look at it very differently: I think they receive dozens of short emails which are totally unpersonalized and look like "brief mailshots" - and (understandably?) nobody much is interested in those. I want them to understand that I'm not a "hit-and-runner", a "here-today-gone-tomorrow marketer" like all the rest, but someone who can genuinely help them in the long term and wants to build a real relationship with them. For this reason, the more different I can make my approach from all the others, the more likely they are to take me seriously.

    Originally Posted by Ali Anwar View Post

    do I tell the site owner that the article has been already published elsewhere; i.e., my site; and might get published further more as well down the line or do I let him figure it out for himself?
    I let them figure it out for themselves. It isn't relevant to most of them, anyway.

    There are some marketers (typically, I suspect, those with "SEO-oriented" beliefs about traffic generation - i.e. not article marketers!), who imagine, bizarrely, that everyone will be very reluctant to reproduce previously published articles on their sites. The fact that this belief is completely mistaken can of course readily be verified simply by looking at all the articles widely syndicated to multiple sites, all the people regularly sourcing their content from directories, and so on. Many of the people I'm approaching have already published other previously-published content on their sites, and to most of the rest it isn't an issue, anyway.

    All I want is for them to publish one of my articles. That "gets me in" and everything else can come later.
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    • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Different people have different methods, Ali. They can all work. This is just what suits me ...

      I offer them one specific post and include it in the email so it's right there, in front of them.

      But I start off by talking about them and their site. I explain why I like it. I talk in detail about their approach, and their presentation, and their readers/visitors, and their interests, and their subject-matter, style, content, and so on. (You have to have a good look around their site to do this, which is time-consuming, but article syndication is a real relationship-building business and let's not pretend otherwise).

      I then try to tie in some observation about their visitors/site to the specifics of the content I'd like to offer them, free of charge, for publication, explaining why I think it's relevant and likely to be of interest to their visitors. (I think it's important to say "free of charge", not because I'm trying to avoid their imagining I want payment for it, but because I want to try to convey - without putting it this way at all - that I'm interested in doing them the favor, here.)

      I explain that the article's right here ("below my signature") and I paste it in, explaining that they're welcome to publish it with my link at the end (it'll just be "at the end", in a "first article") in clickable form. (So they've already read a lot and taken me seriously, I hope, before they see that I want a clickable link).

      I make it clear that I might have other articles to offer them, also, in future, and that I'll never expect payment for them. I also make it clear that I'd like to hear from them and be happy to chat about their niche, their site, their content and their shoes.

      I never send an attachment (I've got to reach their inbox!).

      I never send a link (other than the one attached to the article, of course) inviting them to look at my site. They'll look if they want to, and see an informative, content-rich site, not a salesy-looking site (which helps).

      What I send them will be basically an article "written for syndication"; it'll never mention a product; never sound as if it's selling or promoting anything at all; and while never having a salesy "call to action" at the end (let's not talk about "resource boxes" here: we're not dealing with an article directory), it'll make it clear to their readers that I have more to say at mysite.com.

      My overall aims, in the first instance, are simply (a) to offer and present them with something that they can immediately see is of potential value to them, and (b) to "get my stiletto-heeled foot in the door" and show them that I'm interested in building with them a relationship which will be useful and helpful to them.



      I don't mention my site at all. I don't want to interest them in my site. I want to show them my interest in theirs.

      I don't really mention "mutual benefits", either. I want to concentrate their attention on the fact that they can get benefits from me.

      For myself, I think the mistake to avoid is trying to be brief, on the grounds that "they're busy people and don't want to read a long email" or whatever. I look at it very differently: I think they receive dozens of short emails which are totally unpersonalized and look like "brief mailshots" - and (understandably?) nobody much is interested in those. I give them only "the facts" - but there are a lot of relevant facts, here. I want them to understand that I'm not a "hit-and-runner", a "here-today-gone-tomorrow marketer" like all the rest, but someone who can genuinely help them in the long term and wants to build a real relationship with them. For this reason, the more different I can make my approach to all the others, the more likely they are to take me seriously.



      I let them figure it out for themselves. It isn't relevant to most of them, anyway.

      There are some marketers (typically, I suspect, those with "SEO-oriented" beliefs about traffic generation - i.e. not article marketers!), who imagine, bizarrely, that everyone will be very reluctant to reproduce previously published articles on their sites. The fact that this belief is completely mistaken can of course readily be verified simply by looking at all the articles widely syndicated to multiple sites, all the people regularly sourcing their content from directories, and so on.
      I think that probably the Associated Press is the best example of this process in action.

      Its all about quality.

      The day Google launched its search engine and indexed the web and became the money funnel that it turned out to be, I believe that "content" and "media" took a step backwards as everyone began to compete for their slice of the pie.

      Now, we all basically have a big SEO mess on our hands and the cleanup has turned out to be a nasty process.

      BTW...you used the word "it'll"...LOL!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    Alexa, when sending the fist email with the first article, is your "About the author" paragraph written in the classic way, as in "Alexa Smith writes articles on shoes and you can learn more shoe insights by visiting www.domain.com", or is it tied up with the last paragraph, like you often say you like?

    I see the first as a more conservative approach, and the second one a bit more risky.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      I do it the same way I do for EZA, to be honest. The "resource box bit" is always divided between at least two paragraphs, and at least some of it's attached to the end of the article without a paragraph break.

      I suppose the "classic" way is more conservative.

      I've found that you can vary it as you go along, though, as you build a relationship with someone. People who will take one article will almost always take more in future, and as you get to know them a bit more, you can "get away with a bit more"? I have some regular sites where I can promote my link a little bit more openly than others. But I'd never try to do that the first time. I just want to get my foot in the door.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        The "resource box bit" is always divided between at least two paragraphs, and at least some of it's attached to the end of the article without a paragraph break.
        Just to be sure I understood, you mean your "resource box" is spread over two paragraphs, and between it and the article there's just normal spacing like it is between other article's paragraphs, right?

        I suppose if your resource box constitutes of two paragraphs, the link will be in the second.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

          Just to be sure I understood, you mean your "resource box" is spread over two paragraphs, and between it and the article there's just normal spacing like it is between other article's paragraphs, right?
          At EZA it's always spread over two+ paragraphs (not that the reader notices, which is part of the point).

          In these cases, it'll be one, with the link in it, but the content of the last couple of sentences of the previous paragraph will be material that will go in the resource-box of the EZA copy. Sorry, I probably didn't say this clearly, above. The content is usually the same - only the layout's slightly different.

          Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

          I suppose if your resource box constitutes of two paragraphs, the link will be in the second.
          For "active syndication approach" purposes, yes. This just depends on "paragraph lengths and layout", though ... there's often no "resource box", per se, on someone else's site. Or there doesn't have to be. (At EZA I'll sometimes put one in each paragraph. People still syndicate them that way.)
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Not much to add here. One thing I do caution people about is getting a bit over the top about the content they're offering.

            I get emails telling me that, after obviously skimming the summaries of a post or two for details to put in the email, that the emailer a) knows my audience better than I do, and b) knows what they want to read. This is presumptious, and can seriously tick off publishers with an ego (virtually all of us that last any time - which is what you want).

            So, switching to my writer/promoter hat, I might send an email with something like...

            "I skimmed through a few of the posts on your site, and I think our audiences may have much in common. I've written an article I believe your audience may enjoy/find valuable, which is included below my signature in this email. If you agree, you can publish it on your site or in an email to your list if you choose, without charge..."

            I'm not usually a fan of using 'weasel words' in communicating, but in this case, a little humility can go a long way. Just don't let the pendulaum swing so far in the other direction that you come off as unconfident or insincere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ali Anwar
    Thanks for your answers, Alexa and John. Just another extension to the questions I asked, will linking to my homepage be better, or to another article which may or not me related to the syndicated one, but might be helpful anyway as its about the same niche?

    In addition to that, will it be smart to try syndication for really long articles as well? I have one which is over 2500 words. I don't know why, but I feel nobody will accept it as they might feel it will bore their readers.

    Another important question I forgot to ask was should I look up the site for already syndicated content as that will give me an indication that the owner is open for syndication or try to contact each and every site, and see who's ready for it?

    I hope you guys don't mind answering these questions as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Ali Anwar View Post

      will linking to my homepage be better, or to another article which may or not me related to the syndicated one, but might be helpful anyway as its about the same niche?
      Hi Ali, I'm always nervous when people ask what "will be better" because I don't know their businesses. But for myself, in all my niches, I link to my home page (landing page). I wouldn't normally link from an off-site article to an on-site one. I want the articles to attract the traffic to my site. Once people arrive, I want them to see my home page, and to opt in. (They can read more of the articles later, if they stay long enough - I don't mind about that, either way).

      Originally Posted by Ali Anwar View Post

      In addition to that, will it be smart to try syndication for really long articles as well?
      I think so.

      Originally Posted by Ali Anwar View Post

      I have one which is over 2500 words. I don't know why, but I feel nobody will accept it as they might feel it will bore their readers.
      I think it depends on people's perceptions of their own sites' traffic demographics. 2,500 words is about the longest I've ever written, but I did get it syndicated, and profit from it

      Originally Posted by Ali Anwar View Post

      Another important question I forgot to ask was should I look up the site for already syndicated content as that will give me an indication that the owner is open for syndication or try to contact each and every site, and see who's ready for it?
      I would do the latter. It's true that there are many webmasters who have already syndicated previously published content (and are therefore known not to have any problem with the principle), but it's also true that there are many more who haven't yet, but will when they're offered something they like.

      Don't forget ezines, too - those can be excellent traffic sources from article syndication: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6575732
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Ali Anwar View Post

        Thanks for your answers, Alexa and John. Just another extension to the questions I asked, will linking to my homepage be better, or to another article which may or not me related to the syndicated one, but might be helpful anyway as its about the same niche?
        Ali, keep in mind why you are seeking syndication of your articles. If you just want to watch the traffic stats graph grow, link them to another article on your site. If you want them to DO something, like join a list or buy something, link them to a page that makes that possible.

        Alexa links to her home page. I often do the same, unless I'm linking to a landing page purely for visitors from syndicated content. Even then, the landing page looks like a cross between a squeeze page and a typical blog home page.

        Originally Posted by Ali Anwar View Post

        In addition to that, will it be smart to try syndication for really long articles as well? I have one which is over 2500 words. I don't know why, but I feel nobody will accept it as they might feel it will bore their readers.
        If you wrote a boring 2500 word article, that might be a concern. And if you are trying to place it on a site filled with 200-250 word blurbs or videos or graphics, you might have a hard time.

        Place that same quality 2500 article on a site with other longer, in-depth articles and you are right at home. Keep in mind, people read 40,000 word sales letters and 700,000 word books. Not everyone, but enough to keep the likes of JK Rowling, Stephen King and Tom Clancy in high clover.

        Originally Posted by Ali Anwar View Post

        Another important question I forgot to ask was should I look up the site for already syndicated content as that will give me an indication that the owner is open for syndication or try to contact each and every site, and see who's ready for it?
        Here, I'll just say I agree with Alexa...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ali Anwar
    Awesome. You guys are the best.

    One final question - I hope I'm not getting on anybody's nerves with the ceaseless list - what would you recommend for a new site whose content is getting syndicated? I have 3 pretty long articles ready for a new website. Should I start by trying for syndication with these 3, and link to the homepage; or make a 10 article site first, and then look for webmasters?

    In addition to that could you guys also give me a little appraisal of my writing? Is the tone, grammar, punctuation, and style fine? Any tips?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Ali Anwar View Post

      I have 3 pretty long articles ready for a new website. Should I start by trying for syndication with these 3, and link to the homepage; or make a 10 article site first, and then look for webmasters?
      Personally, I start off with only 3/4 articles.

      I'm not inviting potential publishers to look at my site (though I know some do) or trying to interest them in my site at all. I just want enough on my site to start attracting their traffic without feeling embarrassed that I have nothing to offer them when they get there. So I need my landing-page and opt-in up and running, and a little bit of content, and the legal requirements like affiliate disclosure and so on. Not much more than that. 3 or 4 articles is enough for me to start. It can be slow moving, anyway, and by the time I get any serious traffic, I might have another page or two. It's been so long since I started off a new niche that I can't quite remember exactly how many articles I had, last time, but probably about 3 - certainly not 10.

      Originally Posted by Ali Anwar View Post

      In addition to that could you guys also give me a little appraisal of my writing? Is the tone, grammar, punctuation, and style fine?
      From your posts here, you mean? It seems perfectly alright, to me: it's certainly never occurred to me that it "isn't good enough for article marketing" at all, or anything of the kind. I've always assumed that you were "doing the writing yourself" and I've never felt any "concern" about that, on your behalf, as one so often does when reading such threads!
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Ali Anwar View Post

      Awesome. You guys are the best.

      One final question - I hope I'm not getting on anybody's nerves with the ceaseless list - what would you recommend for a new site whose content is getting syndicated? I have 3 pretty long articles ready for a new website. Should I start by trying for syndication with these 3, and link to the homepage; or make a 10 article site first, and then look for webmasters?

      In addition to that could you guys also give me a little appraisal of my writing? Is the tone, grammar, punctuation, and style fine? Any tips?
      Ali, when you do start getting on peoples' nerves, you'll know it. The silence will be deafening...

      Start with the three you have and link the articles to your landing page. Yes, even on your own site. If that's the home page, so be it. I often have multiple (2-4) landing pages, depending on the offer, so I link all articles to the page I want people to visit next.

      As far as webmasters go, if you have a page listing the articles availabale for syndication (which may or may not be all of your articles), that's the page you want them to visit. If they want to explore further, that's on them.

      You want the publishers who syndicate your stuff to think of you one way - as a provider of valuable, quality content for their sites and emails at no charge, only the live link.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ali Anwar
    Alexa and John, I'm eternally grateful to both of you.
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    • Profile picture of the author TVplease
      You posts are AWESOME!
      I've purposely opened an account here at WF,

      just to say thank you for you time! and effort to educate us small fishes,
      btw, if by any chance do you offer SEO services?

      and if not do you have any good SEO friends you can intro me?

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    Great content by Alexa and John regarding content syndication. I personally like the idea of being focus on how we can give values to others without asking anything back at the start. The law of attraction is very interesting as those that always give values will always get something back in return. Time to churn out more useful content
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