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WSO forum - What's going on

by cooler1
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In the WSO forum recently, someone released a WSO in which they said they cannot prove the success of the method due to "confidentiality agreements" which are in place.

A Warrior then replied and said that this isn't true and there is no such thing as "confidentiality agreements" yet now their post is deleted and nowhere to be seen.

Why are WSO sellers allow to censor information in this way?
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    If a seller gets a comment that he thinks doesn't follow the commenting rules of the WSO forum, he can report it to a mod. A mod either deletes it or not.

    If you don't like the way the comments are going in a WSO, don't buy it. That's the simplest solution.
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      If a seller gets a comment that he thinks doesn't follow the commenting rules of the WSO forum, he can report it to a mod. A mod either deletes it or not.

      If you don't like the way the comments are going in a WSO, don't buy it. That's the simplest solution.
      The commenting rules do not say that someone can't question the plausbility of a method especially if there have valid reasons for doing so.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

        The commenting rules do not say that someone can't question the plausbility of a method especially if there have valid reasons for doing so.
        Then take it up with a mod. I don't make decisions around here, but I do ignore a WSO seller that would claim that he couldn't verify the success of his methods.
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        • Profile picture of the author cooler1
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Then take it up with a mod. I don't make decisions around here, but I do ignore a WSO seller that would claim that he couldn't verify the success of his methods.
          As far as I know, mods cannot be contacted nor they will give reasons for what they do. That is why I made this thread to highlight this issue.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

            As far as I know, mods cannot be contacted nor they will give reasons for what they do. That is why I made this thread to highlight this issue.
            They most certainly can be contacted, but you're right ... they don't owe you an explanation and may or may not give you one.
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        • Profile picture of the author Adie
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Then take it up with a mod. I don't make decisions around here, but I do ignore a WSO seller that would claim that he couldn't verify the success of his methods.
          This is like blatantly selling dreams.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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    Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

    In the WSO forum recently, someone released a WSO in which they said they cannot prove the success of the method due to "confidentiality agreements" which are in place.

    A Warrior then replied and said that this isn't true and there is no such thing as "confidentiality agreements" yet now their post is deleted and nowhere to be seen.

    Why are WSO sellers allow to censor information in this way?
    Well, it may have been deleted because the person who said there was no such thing as confidentiality agreements was wrong. They do exists and are used in many industries.

    As to how that type of agreement pertains to the wso, I have no idea.

    It's pretty simple, if you ask a question and you don't like the answer you simply move on. You don't purchase. You not liking an answer doesn't give you the right to push for an answer, call the seller names, or whine when a post gets deleted.
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by adwaitk007 View Post

      maybe he's the victim of WF's recent downtime. I too lost all my posts! All my posts, my thread got deleted and unfortunately WF didn't have the backup. Anyways hope they will fix this issue
      I don't think so because all the positive posts still remain. Too much of a coincidence that only critical posts would vanish.

      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

      Well, it may have been deleted because the person who said there was no such thing as confidentiality agreements was wrong. They do exists and are used in many industries.

      As to how that type of agreement pertains to the wso, I have no idea.

      It's pretty simple, if you ask a question and you don't like the answer you simply move on. You don't purchase. You not liking an answer doesn't give you the right to push for an answer, call the seller names, or whine when a post gets deleted.
      This isn't about what answer someone gets though. It's someone's opinion on something being deleted. It's censoring people's opinion. If there is indeed a logical explanation then the right thing to do would be to address the issue, not make the post disappear.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

        I don't think so because all the positive posts still remain. Too much of a coincidence that only critical posts would vanish.

        This isn't about what answer someone gets though. It's someone's opinion on something being deleted. It's censoring people's opinion. If there is indeed a logical explanation then the right thing to do would be to address the issue, not make the post disappear.
        Not all opinions left by people are allowed in WSOs. They are paid for advertisements and there are plenty of assmonkeys around who attempt to sabotage WSOs ... it's not allowed. If the opinion was argumentative and not valid, it will be reported and deleted. If it was a legit presale question stated politely, it will stay.

        As for censoring .... blah blah blah. This is a private forum and as such, you aren't guaranteed that your opinion on anything won't be deleted.
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        • Profile picture of the author cooler1
          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          Pay $40 for a wso thread and post your opinions there.
          Why would I do that? It's not only sellers who are allowed an opinion.

          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Not all opinions left by people are allowed in WSOs. They are paid for advertisements and there are plenty of assmonkeys around who attempt to sabotage WSOs ... it's not allowed. If the opinion was argumentative and not valid, it will be reported and deleted. If it was a legit presale question stated politely, it will stay.

          As for censoring .... blah blah blah. This is a private forum and as such, you aren't guaranteed that your opinion on anything won't be deleted.
          I understand that there are those who attempt to sabotage WSOs, but the ones that do that don't provide any substance in their criticism and it's plain to see. When someone makes a specific point and gives valid reasoning and details, like in the case here that is different.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

            Why would I do that? It's not only sellers who are allowed an opinion.

            It's very simple, you ask questions that deal with the product. If you don't like the answer you don't purchase.

            You have no opinion unless you have purchased the product.

            Why is this so difficult to understand?

            If you just want to crap all over the person's paid thread, it will be deleted. You have no rights on this forum. You are allowed to post within the rules.

            Start your own forum if you feel censored.
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            • Profile picture of the author cooler1
              Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

              It's very simple, you ask questions that deal with the product. If you don't like the answer you don't purchase.

              You have no opinion unless you have purchased the product.

              Why is this so difficult to understand?

              If you just want to crap all over the person's paid thread, it will be deleted. You have no rights on this forum. You are allowed to post within the rules.

              Start your own forum if you feel censored.
              You are jumping to the assumption that someone asking for clarification on something has the intention of crapping over a persons paid thread and not just wanting to make sure everything is transparent to help other people make a clear and informed buying decision.

              People do not need to have purchased a product to know what the seller is claiming specifically if they are saying things like confidentiality agreement which don't exist.
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

                You are jumping to the assumption that someone asking for clarification on something has the intention of crapping over a persons paid thread and not just wanting to make sure everything is transparent to help other people make a clear and informed buying decision.

                People do not need to have purchased a product to know what the seller is claiming specifically if they are saying things like confidentiality agreement which don't exist.
                Criticisms are generally not allowed unless you have purchased the product. You have no idea whether there was a confidentiality agreement or not. Just because you agree with the poster, doesn't make the criticism valid.

                What's business of yours is this anyway? It's between the mod who deleted the comment, the vendor and the person who posted the criticism.

                What is allowed are presale questions and product reviews from buyers. I imagine we don't have all the info on this at all. Only your take on it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

                You are jumping to the assumption that someone asking for clarification on something has the intention of crapping over a persons paid thread and not just wanting to make sure everything is transparent to help other people make a clear and informed buying decision.
                Yep, that is what I thought. You are not asking questions because you are interested in purchasing, you are doing it for other reasons.

                It isn't your job to make things clear for "other people".

                That is why you are pushing for responses. I don't even need to see the thread in question simply because of the way you are posting in this thread.

                People do not need to have purchased a product to know what the seller is claiming specifically if they are saying things like confidentiality agreement which don't exist.
                People do need to have purchased to be able to comment on the product. You can ask pre-sale questions but that doesn't mean you can argue over the answers.

                Confidentiality agreements do exist as I have already stated.

                Arguing with the seller about confidentiality agreements is crapping all over their paid thread. It is obvious you don't care if you crap on a paid thread which is why I suggested you pay for one yourself so we can crap on it.

                You asked for proof, they basically said no. That should be all you need to know to move on. It isn't your job to push for proof to help other people.

                Who do you think you are? Captain WSO to the rescue?
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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  I don't think so because all the positive posts still remain. Too much of a coincidence that only critical posts would vanish.
                  Not all the negative posts were deleted. The ones from that particular member were, along with most replies to her.

                  Why? Asking reasonable questions is very different from making unfounded accusations and hijacking a thread.

                  This particular person pushed the implications right over the line to outright accusing the seller of having posted the positive comments himself. Given that I could not find any evidence of that at all (or I'd have nuked the seller), the poster got a temp-ban and a warning for the reckless accusation.

                  As far as the confidentiality issue... The seller in this case posted a quote from the agreement used by at least one of the companies involved which, at a cursory reading, seemed to support his claim that revealing details of the deals involved was in violation of the contract.

                  I don't know where people get the idea they can go into any paid thread they like and start slinging unfounded accusations and implications around with impunity, but they need to lose it. We'll ban you for that just as quickly as we'll ban a seller for using fake screenshots or testimonials.
                  It's not only sellers who are allowed an opinion.
                  That's true, but you may want to go back and re-read the rules for the WSO section before pushing that one too far.

                  While I don't claim to have read the person's mind, I did read her posts. They gave the very clear impression of coming from someone with the deliberate intent of "beating" the seller, whether she was right or not. If she just wanted to make people aware of what she thought might be an issue, she would not have needed so many posts to do it.

                  Her unsupported accusation of fraudulent posting by the seller supports the notion that she was unconcerned with the facts and simply wanted to "win."

                  Not the most convincing position from which to debate.


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                  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                    I missed this comment the first time around...
                    If there is indeed a logical explanation then the right thing to do would be to address the issue, not make the post disappear.
                    That would be true if all the people involved were being logical. That is rarely the case.

                    Explaining decisions leads, quite often, to arguments. The person whose posts were deleted can become invested in their position to the point where they lose all sense of rationality or proportion, and become obsessed with "winning" at any cost.

                    For instance, the woman whose posts we're talking about could decide that she simply doesn't believe that I looked and could find no evidence of any connection between the seller and the positive comment she claimed he had made using a fake account. She could then claim that her posts were deleted as part of some attempt to assist the seller in what she is certain (without any evidence at all) is fraud.

                    At that point, she could well feel that she was justified in her previous zeal and, ego thus defended, could launch into even higher strains of hyperbolic hysteria.

                    Her only basis for making the allegation in the first place is that the person whose comment she objected to has a low post count.

                    True story: A seller reported a poster the other day for allegedly signing up for no reason but to say something nasty about his offer and trash him. Problem... The person who posted the negative comment had not only bought the product, they had joined the forum a year before the seller.

                    Ooops.

                    Another instance from this past week: Someone commented in a WSO thread that they were convinced that the negative comment from a "no post wonder" was trolling and should get them banned. Looked at the poster's history and found that they had made positive comments, along with a number of intelligent pre-sales questions, in around a dozen sales threads.

                    Not exactly a troll, then. But posts in the WSO section don't show in your post count. That "0" meant exactly nothing.

                    We have a lot of members who signed up to ask questions, send PMs to sellers, or to comment on products they've ordered. Sometimes those comments are positive and sometimes they're not. Assuming anything about their intent based solely on post count is silly. Making public accusations of fraud on that basis alone is ... ill-conceived.

                    Doesn't matter. They believe what they believe, and they'll defend it to the end. Evidence or no.

                    Arguing with a person who's trapped in their ego is rarely the "logical" course.


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                    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                      Arguing with a person who's trapped in their ego is rarely the "logical" course.


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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

        I don't think so because all the positive posts still remain. Too much of a coincidence that only critical posts would vanish.



        This isn't about what answer someone gets though. It's someone's opinion on something being deleted. It's censoring people's opinion. If there is indeed a logical explanation then the right thing to do would be to address the issue, not make the post disappear.
        Pay $40 for a wso thread and post your opinions there.
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  • Profile picture of the author adwaitk007
    maybe he's the victim of WF's recent downtime. I too lost all my posts! All my posts, my thread got deleted and unfortunately WF didn't have the backup. Anyways hope they will fix this issue
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Some people's opinion may be that you are an idiot that is just wasting not only bandwidth but everyone's time and that because of that you should be banned from the forum.

    The reason behind the opinion may be that 2 senior Warriors with a lot of miles under the hood and that know what they are talking about have patiently explained things and you aren't willing to listen just argue.

    You mean opinions like that should be allowed all over the forum? Opinion stated with a reason (valid in the minds of those that may have that opinion).

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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    cooler1....

    I've reported comments on my WSO threads and had them deleted several times. I don't mind typical pre-sale questions. However, when the questions become accusatory, argumentative, or question my integrity, I report them since those types of posts are not allowed on a paid thread unless coming from a paying customer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teravel
    Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

    A Warrior then replied and said that this isn't true and there is no such thing as "confidentiality agreements" yet now their post is deleted and nowhere to be seen.
    Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

    It's censoring people's opinion.
    Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

    Why would I do that? It's not only sellers who are allowed an opinion.
    The real problem is with these remarks. You seem to think that the WarriorForum is America, where everyone has the Right to Free Speech. In truth, the WarriorForum is a PRIVATE forum that has their own set of rules.

    If you purchased a WSO thread ($40) and started selling a product or service, and someone (a non-buyer) started accusing you of scams or lies, wouldn't you want to deal with that person before your $40 investment is ruined, due to a complete stranger that just wants to cause trouble.


    To comment on Confidentiality Agreements, they are legally binding contracts. Breaking one can land you in court with expensive lawsuits. Just because someone doesn't know what a Confidentiality Agreement is, doesn't mean they should be allowed to post that it's not real. Their OPINION is wrong, and it would hurt the sellers product for no reason. Thus, the OPINION needed to be removed.


    All the rules for the WarriorForum are readily available for members and non-members to read. If you don't like the rules, go somewhere else.

    Why not start your own marketing forums where you can make your own rules. Allow your members to post whatever Opinions they want, and see how long your forum lasts against the constant barrage of stupidity and spam.
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