Originally Posted by khir

Thanks Mr Tiago. By the way, where can I download that 'zeitgeist addendum' video and 'modern money mechanics'? PM me please. Thanks

Originally Posted by JamesEcho1

Thanks for the help. You wouldn't mind sending me a link for the ebook would you?

Originally Posted by Shariyf Clark

Thiago,
Thank you so much for sharing this with us. I watched both Zeitgeist movies last night back to back and have begun reading the Modern Money Mechanics book. My life has also changed for good.

I've already begun taking steps to repair my credit and eliminate my short term debt. I'm making slow, steady progress. Knowing that you did the same and eventually came out on top is encouraging.

Thanks again.

Originally Posted by rlnorthcutt

Thiago,

I see! You are leveraging credit in the RIGHT way... fantastic. I think the fact that you have a good plan is key, but often we can supercharge our business with a WISE infusion of capital.

You are correct - money is an illusion and those who know it are the ones who can bring it in easily.

I have read that if you took all the money in the world and divided it up evenly amongst all the humans on the planet, within a year it would be back to those it came from. They get it!

So many people are programmed by modern culture to be blind consumers - they buy any old crap that comes along. The wise save/invest their money creating assets and building their cash flow generating power.

Thanks for the info!

Ron

Originally Posted by Shariyf Clark

Thiago,
I was on the Barron's credit site earlier today and now the site seems to be taken down. And the youtube vid you posted isn't working...strange

Originally Posted by Mr. Thiago

You can watch the video at Zeitgeist - The Movie

To get modern money mechanics (47 pages) you must search 'free modern money mechanics download' on Google.

Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior

That was a heads up movie, dude.

Too bad its going to fall on deaf ears for most.

Most will only see or care AFTER its much too late.

The 13 th Warrior

Originally Posted by coachmike

You "guarantee" I will? How do you make the guarantee? Or, is this just a nice-sounding phrase.

Maybe it's just the skeptic in me, but I certainly wondered about the way you said this.

Originally Posted by egaeb

yeah, although i loved the movie, I'm not really sure how this can be applied to making more money - unless he meant it in the sense of putting you in the right "mind-set" ABOUT money which then can facilitate making more of it..... the movie is basically talking about the negative effects of our monetary system, how the fractional system works in relation to the federal reserve and banks creating money from thin air, adding to inflation etc... global politics, economic hit men, religion, slavery, illusion of freedom....

I'm pretty sure it was meant in a mind-set sense....

Originally Posted by RedPhoenix

Hmmm ... Yes the movies were interesting. As are some of the ideas advocated by "The Venus Project" but what is rather puzzling is they both call for the end of the monetary system while Mr.Thiago's post heading claims this info guarantees that you will make money.

Also Mr.Thiago you took out a loan for £10,000 which you repay at £97 pm - this means that without any interest applied you will be indebted to the bank for over 8 1/2 years. What you have got to ask yourself is am I earning a greater return on this loan than the interest I am paying on it? Plus why would you even want the loan as you have £12,500 in your bank & earn £1,600 a month. Why not just pay the £10,000 back & have a balance of £2,500? "This video will help you stop spending money and wasting time on garbage" - Why waste money on bank interest?

As for the scrapping of the monetary system - both Zeitgeist & Venus seem to have equated the aberrant money printing/supply & credit practices of the central/federal reserve banks with the entire monetary system. The monetary system preceeded the existence of both banks & central/federal reserve banks. The monetary system replaced the barter system which serverely restricted tade and commerce. They also fail to elaborate on just how their proposed resource based economy would operate on a practical level. I shall comment on this tomorrow after applying a little critical thinking overnite.

Whilst what you posted is interesting & thought provoking you have not shown how this leads to the creativity, insight, persistence & skill necessary to earn money online. However I do admire your passion & intention to be helpful.

All the best

Mike

Originally Posted by Shariyf Clark

what's RICO?

Sounds like you are managing your cash and credit in ways most beneficial to you. Why don't you create an info product about it ;-) I'm sure a few warriors and non-warriors would find some value in it. Hell, My entire perception of money changed in 4 hours thanks to your suggestion. I wonder how many more people you could steer in the right direction.

Originally Posted by RedPhoenix

The monetary system preceeded the existence of both banks & central/federal reserve banks. The monetary system replaced the barter system which serverely restricted tade and commerce. They also fail to elaborate on just how their proposed resource based economy would operate on a practical level. I shall comment on this tomorrow after applying a little critical thinking overnite.

Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior

This is where the rubber is going to meet the road.

The monetary system , worldwide, is going to implode on itself.

The distress brought on by natural and universal forces concurant with system self-erosion will have things re-evaluated and re-defined what truely is of value and valuable.

And a constant intensifying of that distress to boundaries unbelieved will narrow that definition of value to even a smaller, shrinking variable.

Where evolutionist/scientific and religious ideologies will be physically seen and felt as to what is truth and what is illusion, what was a lie and what is reality. In both camps, there will be far less than 1% that will be all about real truth, regardless of whether its flavorful or appease the palate, or conforms to accepted concepts and definitions of what is.

Also, this is taking as true that civilizations all started and functioned with some sort of monetary system , like barter, which is patently untrue.

One fact to support this is when a tribe, people or culture has first been discovered, most of the them( tribe, culture) welcomed these strange new explorers, and offered them what they would give their own brother or son.

No "payment" , whether barter or other was necessary or expected, an act of brotherhood to a complete stranger or strange people.

Do you have a "monetary" system that your child has to access for you to feed, clothe and shelter him/her?? Of course not.

The microcosom of the family unit represents the Macrocosom of the family of man which will be established, naturally.

Despite errant scientist and historians, this type of civilzation existed a long time, into the hundreds of thousands of years ago, and it is going to established again, this time, for good.

A few thousand years is only a drop in time, yet ,we evaluate history within very limited time modules.

They simply keep finding older and older human remains that break the previous record of so-called timelines of "when history " started.

There will be no "I" or "You" or "Mine".

There are some ancient languages where there is no equivalent practice or word such as "MINE" or "OWN".

Like some cultures have a main plate with food, and a person takes only what they need to put on a smaller plate. The smaller plate only is a place to rest the food before it is ingested, not a "stake" that declares ownership.

No more holding resources as "hostage" to impose one's will on others.

The Earth is 75% water, yet we pay for it. To charge for it should be capital punishment.

Believe it, if there was a way scientist could dispense Oxygen for pay, a lot of folks would be dying of oxygen deprivation.....a ridiculous but small example of monetary lunacy and how far this system can devolve to and devolve humans.

Most of us, despite education , have a future of failing to become human beings, much less growing into manhood and womanhood.

Skills does not make us any more of a HUMAN, ask Ted Bundy and other psycopaths that have good upbringing, high incomes and high education, examples to the wise few.

The future trade, hobby, science and skills of future man will be self-improvement, planet improvement, universe improvement, brother improvement, sister improvement, only glimpses of such a world , at best, is possible for us at this present time.

When there is a shrinking and evitable "end" to all forms of monetary system, that is only going to be one ingredient to "The Shock Of The Hour".

The 13 th Warrior

Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior

Also, this is taking as true that civilizations all started and functioned with some sort of monetary system , like barter, which is patently untrue.

The 13 th Warrior

Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior

One fact to support this is when a tribe, people or culture has first been discovered, most of the them( tribe, culture) welcomed these strange new explorers, and offered them what they would give their own brother or son.

No "payment" , whether barter or other was necessary or expected, an act of brotherhood to a complete stranger or strange people.

The 13 th Warrior

Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior

Do you have a "monetary" system that your child has to access for you to feed, clothe and shelter him/her?? Of course not.

The microcosom of the family unit represents the Macrocosom of the family of man which will be established, naturally.

The 13 th Warrior

Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior

Despite errant scientist and historians, this type of civilzation existed a long time, into the hundreds of thousands of years ago, and it is going to established again, this time, for good.

A few thousand years is only a drop in time, yet ,we evaluate history within very limited time modules.

They simply keep finding older and older human remains that break the previous record of so-called timelines of "when history " started.

The 13 th Warrior

Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior

There will be no "I" or "You" or "Mine".

There are some ancient languages where there is no equivalent practice or word such as "MINE" or "OWN".

Like some cultures have a main plate with food, and a person takes only what they need to put on a smaller plate. The smaller plate only is a place to rest the food before it is ingested, not a "stake" that declares ownership.

No more holding resources as "hostage" to impose one's will on others.

The 13 th Warrior

Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior

The Earth is 75% water, yet we pay for it. To charge for it should be capital punishment.

Believe it, if there was a way scientist could dispense Oxygen for pay, a lot of folks would be dying of oxygen deprivation.....a ridiculous but small example of monetary lunacy and how far this system can devolve to and devolve humans.

Most of us, despite education , have a future of failing to become human beings, much less growing into manhood and womanhood.

Skills does not make us any more of a HUMAN, ask Ted Bundy and other psycopaths that have good upbringing, high incomes and high education, examples to the wise few.

The future trade, hobby, science and skills of future man will be self-improvement, planet improvement, universe improvement, brother improvement, sister improvement, only glimpses of such a world , at best, is possible for us at this present time.

When there is a shrinking and evitable "end" to all forms of monetary system, that is only going to be one ingredient to "The Shock Of The Hour".

The 13 th Warrior

Originally Posted by Mr. Cross Brown

Let us build success because, according to President Obama, people will remember us for what we built not for what we destroyed.

Originally Posted by RedPhoenix

All people living in social groups have a need for goods and services regardless of their "state of development". An effort is required by all adults to sustain & entertain their families & themselves. As people tend to have different likes, needs & wants a means of exchanging any surplus goods & services that you may have had for others that you wanted or needed became necessary. Initially this was done through barter - goods & services for other goods & services. As this was a cumbersome system the need for a neutral medium of exchange arose. This has taken various forms including coins, salt, semi-precious gems etc. All civilizations use a medium of exchanging effort (goods & or services) within the community. Money is just 1 medium of exchanging effort for effort. Even hunter-gatherer societies exchange effort for effort.



Hospitality or gifts offered to strangers/visitors/guests show kindness & emphathy but are certainly not proof that the "tribe/culture" in question does not function on at least an exchange of effort for effort basis.



Are you suggesting that some adults are like children whilst others are like parents and that the latter are completely responsible for the former? That the child-adult has a right to expect the parent-adult to completely provide for them! That the parent-adult has the right to discipline & control the child-adult! Superior & inferior.



Whilst I agree that we are given a rather slanted partial view of history and that it is constantly being revised in the light of new discoveries. What civilizations are you talking & where does your information on them come from? Plus more importantly what caused their demise & virtual obliteration? Please elaborate on this.



As long as the ego(personal awareness) exists which distinguishes 1 person from another, "I" , "You" etc will continue to be part of life. Whether a language has or had the equilavent words for Mine" or "Own" exclusive possession, use & consumption will have played at least some part in the lives of the people in question. Unless you are suggesting they had a "Borg-like" collective awareness and completely lacked individuality. Your meal sharing example is not all that different from a family in any western country sitting down to enjoy a meal together with members taking a portion from the main plates in the center of the table. A better example would be people helping themselves from a communal pot and eating with their hands. The control of resources is a natural extention of the "Them" and "Us" mentality of the ego state. It is neither fair or equitable and seeks to serve a group's self interest. Unless the ego awareness is transcended by the vast majority of people things will continue on much the same basis even under a "new" system.



Do you have a well in your back garden that you draw water from? How does water get to your house/flat etc? Who filters, cleans & purifies it? Ever noticed how some people in less developed countries have to make their own arrangements for getting water. Yes they get it free if you ignore the effort that they had to make to obtain it. Anything that requires you to make an effort is not free. One way or another everthing has a "price-tag" of sorts. The simple fact is that when something is provided for you whether it be goods or a service; like having clean running water piped to your house; someone else has expended an effort to make that happen. The people that have expended this effort have given you value, enhanced the quality of your lifestyle, it is only fair & equitable that this be reciprocated and they receive a form of value from us.

As for skills without developing these we would have no high technology and most likely we would be an extinct species. Monetary is just a word - there will always be a medium of exchanging value for value, of making a contribution. Yes change, improvements and even a complete overall may be called for. Zeitgeist & The Venus Project do have some great ideas but great ideas are not enough, practical solutions are called for that recognise the diversity & complexity of the actual situation. The real cause of inequality & unfairness is not the monetary system its our egocentric consciousness. Untill each person takes steps to transform themselves not much will change except the appearance of the playing field. The core character traits of humankind the primary drives & emotions have remained largely unchanged for thousands of years. Without higher awareness the game remains much the same. The good news is all change should begin with you, there is nothing to prevent you from working on yourself.


Siochan leat

Mike