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nikolaaa

14 years ago

Excellent Andy !
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acrasial

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

This forum is full of widely diverse personalities and it's very easy to misunderstand someone or make a judgement about them based on a post they make, so it's bound to end up with some sort of emotional clashes for people I guess.

Sure is easy to misunderstand, but it's MUCH EASIER to simply BASH people, because one doesn't understand them. And that is not even BOUND to end up with an emotional clash, it's GUARANTEED.

And everyone thinks they are good people in their own little world. Apparently "Easter" means that people can just do anything they want too, and suddenly it's all 'wiped clean'...? It doesn't work like that for some people, I guess.

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

It's easy to put people in pigeon holes based on their join date, post count, perceived success/knowledge etc. but we're all just people doing the best we can with what we have.

It's even easy to put people in a pigeon hole just because they have been banned! Or because one doesn't like a product that person made, or because someone thinks that person is a drama queen, or because someone doesn't understand that person....

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

That should be enough of a reason to keep it as part of your continuing IM education alone.

People do recognize that, even the ones who come here to spam the forum, or the ones who come here and complain all the time, or the ones who create arguments with others, or the ones who feel they are personally being bashed all the time etc etc etc....

But they keep on coming back. The only difference is, that they presume there needs to be some change in this kind of education, whereas others do not think anything needs to be changed. So it's rather just a clash of liberals vs conservatives here...and elsewhere.

But people will always have "opinions" (about what goes on in the forum, about certain members, about certain posts, about what's best for the forum etc etc etc) and as the saying goes, "opinions are like butt holes, everyone's got one"...

So while it'd be nice to think that everyone could just drop their preconceived notions about other warriors, so that the BS could be reduced for a change, that's really not likely, since people still have their opinions, and even if they aren't saying it, they are still thinking it, and that manifests itself outward into their actions.

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ryanman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by acrasial

Sure is easy to misunderstand, but it's MUCH EASIER to simply BASH people, because one doesn't understand them. And that is not even BOUND to end up with an emotional clash, it's GUARANTEED.

You bashed me hard in some of my several other threads...So I don't get what you are on about. I feel assaulted

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acrasial

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ryanman

You bashed me hard in some of my several other threads...So I don't get what you are on about. I feel assaulted

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Aww baby, I'm sorry! Did that HURT your feelings? If you call the truth bashing, then by all means, feel hurt. It's not my fault some people are in DENIAL.

If you call that being bashed, then you are simply using something else (YET AGAIN OH CRAFTY ONE) as a tool and excuse to continue doing what you are doing.

Can't make the wrong things right, and that's exactly what I meant by my post above, wherein someone may be suggesting that everyone just lets things slide and forgets their pre-assumptions, because that isn't going to happen anytime soon.

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Andyhenry

14 years ago

Originally Posted by acrasial

Can't make the wrong things right, and that's exactly what I meant by my post above, wherein someone may be suggesting that everyone just lets things slide and forgets their pre-assumptions, because that isn't going to happen anytime soon.

But that's exactly it.

I know you can't believe that posting "people won't change - forget it" responses is actually going to help the situation.

I'm using Easter as a religious reference because a lot of people take this time to reflect on people that have gone before us and look at their life and its value, but I don't believe it's a bad thing to occasionally remind ourselves to check our senses for negativity and have a purge.

Andy

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acrasial

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

But that's exactly it.

You may not believe that anyone else will change but the person you do control is YOU, and I know you can't believe that posting "people won't change - forget it" responses isn't actually going to help the situation.

You like to debate things in a 'real' and intellectual way so maybe it's unreasonable for anyone to expect you to take my thread in the spirit it is intending - but it's not about you, it's just a reminder for everyone (me included) that sometimes we build up negativity or negative perceptions which are not productive to hold on to and may even be impeding our business.

I'm using Easter as a religious reference because a lot of people take this time to reflect on people that have gone before us and look at their life and its value, but I don't believe it's a bad thing to occasionally remind ourselves to check our senses for negativity and have a purge.

You said that we're all 'right' in our minds, so I don't imagine you'll accept the challenge to not be negative in this thread and just let it sit for people who get value from it, but it would be nice if you turned your Devils Advocate brain off for a while and just let the rest of us seek something more than the usual reality.

Andy

People are still getting value from this thread, regardless of my presence. But could I ask the same of others in my threads or the threads of others too? This kind of thing is welcome on the forum. Happens all the time.

I seek more than the usual reality too, and could really agree that there are folks with a "Devils Advocate" type of mentality, and I most certainly am not alone there.

Heck! What I learned and how I learned it, were all taken from examples of others, so go figure. Oh, and if you have something to say, just say it. Don't be afraid to keep it there. I really don't mind, heck, some people will agree with you!

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

But that's exactly it.

You may not believe that anyone else will change but the person you do control is YOU, and I know you can't believe that posting "people won't change - forget it" responses isn't actually going to help the situation.

You like to debate things in a 'real' and intellectual way so maybe it's unreasonable for anyone to expect you to take my thread in the spirit it is intending - but it's not about you, it's just a reminder for everyone (me included) that sometimes we build up negativity or negative perceptions which are not productive to hold on to and may even be impeding our business.

Also, it sure is about me, at the end of the day, when it comes to this kind of thing, because it's a mindset.

Oh, and you may want to be the first to put your ideas into motion then, when you go around calling someone's mindset the devil's advocate...and remove what you said to look like a "saint".

Mean what you say, and say what you mean. You said people will disagree, which is fine. I agree there too. Now we are disagreeing. That is fine too, that doesn't change my opinion about you either. I don't think you're a bad guy or anything, and I think you probably have a few things you know and could teach people...too!

But, we disagree on this topic now. So that makes my brain the advocate of the devil.

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Andyhenry

14 years ago

Originally Posted by acrasial

Oh, and you may want to be the first to put your ideas into motion then, when you go around calling someone's mindset the devil's advocate...and remove what you said to look like a "saint".

Actually I was not happy with my post as I didn't want to antagonize your aggressive attitude and I knew you wouldn't be able to hold yourself back from arguing. I already feel like you've destroyed the intention I had with this thread so I'll leave it and learn my lesson - thanks for sharing your thoughts, it's been very educational for me.

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acrasial

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Actually I was not happy with my post as I didn't want to antagonize your aggressive attitude and I knew you wouldn't be able to hold yourself back from arguing. I already feel like you've destroyed the intention I had with this thread so I'll leave it and learn my lesson - thanks for sharing your thoughts, it's been very educational for me.

Nothing wrong with what you said. I can agree with what you said too. But the other aspect of what occurred there, just was kind of odd...

It's my choice to come here to this thread specifically, and do what you call to be the devils work. So it's not that you are yourself specifically antagonizing me or anyone. I choose to do what I do, and I am well aware of the fact that I am really damn pointless and annoying to some, in regards to my actions/responses.

I get that. I definitely UNDERSTAND where you are coming from here. I practically "hijacked" your thread for petes sake! BUT, the discussion of things should be allowed, whether good or bad.

Because it will STILL draw attention to the point at hand: your real intention with the original post.

Whether it's being thanked and people are simply agreeing, whether people are giving their own examples of it, whether people are disagreeing or are questioning if it would really work, whether people absolutely tear it apart.....all of this still leads to one thing: making your point known.

That is HEALTHY to me, to be able to discuss things, the good or the bad, because whether or not a person is agreeing fundamentally or not, maybe they could come to agree through the discussion, or perhaps others can come to really understand it on a deep level and apply it.

That is something which TIME AND TIME again, I see is not welcomed, because people will throw in there the idea that there is only one way to discuss things. But as long as no one is insulting members personally, and as long as no one is "spamming" the forum with 3 word posts, or having affiliate links in their signature etc etc etc no rules are actually being broken.

Unless of course, one is referring to those "unspoken rules" which are conveniently applied whenever someone decides they just want a way make someone feel afraid or to antagonize them into submission.

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Kay King 14 years ago

someone thinks that person is a drama queen

Speaking of which - the long, rambling repetitive complaining posts and frequent hijacking of threads is getting old.
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- acrasial 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  Speaking of which - the long, rambling repetitive complaining posts and frequent hijacking of threads is getting old.
  
  Thankyou for the compliment, and I will keep this response short, and positive, in hopes that we can finally agree on something
  
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  Tina Golden 14 years ago
  
  Andy,
  
  I, for one, just want to say thank you for the original post. I ran out of thanks for the day so I'm afraid I can't hit the button but I do appreciate this and many of your posts.
  
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WikiWarrior

14 years ago

Originally Posted by acrasial

Aww baby, I'm sorry! Did that HURT your feelings? If you call the truth bashing, then by all means, feel hurt. It's not my fault some people are in DENIAL.

If you call that being bashed, then you are simply using something else (YET AGAIN OH CRAFTY ONE) as a tool and excuse to continue doing what you are doing.

Can't make the wrong things right, and that's exactly what I meant by my post above, wherein someone may be suggesting that everyone just lets things slide and forgets their pre-assumptions, because that isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Is it me or can I hear a whip cracking in the background? Almost makes me wish I had done something wrong.

Anyway, seem like you two are at odds on this one but I find value in both your posts. Andy for your wisdom and Acrasial for your 'tough love' reality checks in other threads. Hope you all enjoy the Easter weekend.

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EquestrianGal

14 years ago

Amen to this!!!

Warriors go on here (or whatever forum), spend countless hours reading, studying, trying to develop a product, and then they go and post it either as a WSO or their on their own website after trying to do everything right...

Then something goes wrong, or something doesn't work right.

They end up feeling bad about it first, then sometimes people will come on and post either here or another forum and it compounds the feelings of being 'small' no matter how much work one may have done or how much or how little time they've spent online.

So in the meantime of trying to figure out the solution to what went wrong, they're also spending time managing their personal feelings which takes time out of figuring out how to fix the issue.

I've been guilty of feeling this way myself. And what you said here is so true.

It's easy to put people in pigeon holes based on their join date, post count, perceived success/knowledge etc. but we're all just people doing the best we can with what we have.

So if you have developed any sort of negative perceptions about the forum or people in it, I'm suggesting that now might be a good time to wipe the slate clean and have a thankful Easter weekend focusing on what's good in your life and how you can move it forward in the happiest and most successful way.

Thank you for helping put a lot into perspective, especially on this Easter weekend. What a great post.

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Roxanne McHenry

14 years ago

It's easy to get caught up in situations and conversations instead of what you're personal goal is -- which is to run a business. So take what you like and leave the rest. Getting too wrapped up in conversation, especially negative ones, takes time and energy away which you can't get back.

The trick is to find a specialty that is ahead of the curve (not in the thing everyone is talking about - sorry!), develop some skills and use the time wisely. Because on the Internet it's monkey-see, monkey-do and by then the market is down to a trickle and hard to do. If you see the gurus pushing something online, believe me, they were doing that 2 or more years ago and don't care if everyone knows about it anymore.

Andy, this line is gold: "If you're at the point where you're feeling overwhelmed by everything it's just a sign that you've lost focus."

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Trina Freeman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Roxanne McHenry

It's easy to get caught up in situations and conversations instead of what you're personal goal is -- which is to run a business. So take what you like and leave the rest. Getting too wrapped up in conversation, especially negative ones, takes time and energy away which you can't get back.

The trick is to find a specialty that is ahead of the curve (not in the thing everyone is talking about - sorry!), develop some skills and use the time wisely. Because on the Internet it's monkey-see, monkey-do and by then the market is down to a trickle and hard to do. If you see the gurus pushing something online, believe me, they were doing that 2 or more years ago and don't care if everyone knows about it anymore.

Andy, this line is gold: "If you're at the point where you're feeling overwhelmed by everything it's just a sign that you've lost focus."

Happy Friday everyone!

Hey Roxanne another line I use to inspire people is this 1: "if you want things to change in your life, you have got to change some things in your life." It is so deep because it gives you the eye-opener to know that if YOU yourself make a change it will be well worth it. You come out of the state feeling proud, motivated, and determined to keep up the fight! I enjoyed your post in reply to Andy's post. Happy Easter

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Trina Freeman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Hi Warriors,

I keep seeing people posting here upset about other people posting comments that they see as self-aggrandizing, cocky, and what ever other words you can come up with for being full of themselves.

This seems to have the effect of causing some people to feel 'small' or making them thing like they think they're something special etc. etc.

I'm sure this is all part of the same mindset that there are 'Gurus' and then 'everyone else'.

This forum is full of widely diverse personalities and it's very easy to misunderstand someone or make a judgement about them based on a post they make, so it's bound to end up with some sort of emotional clashes for people I guess.

However, the point I want to make is that - it's generally full of really nice people - more than you're likely to find in any other IM forum. So don't throw the baby out with the bath water if you see a post you don't like - one person doesn't represent the forum (apart from Allen).

This forum is one of the most useful resources anyone could wish for and it's amazing that Allen (and the mods) have been able to keep it as good as it still is.

Although there are some successful people in here - they're still people - human beings with the same desire to be happy and successful that you have.

There are many different perspectives on what constitute good options for making money online and the diversity here is one of the key benefits - anyone can find people they like and can work with and make money with.

It's easy to put people in pigeon holes based on their join date, post count, perceived success/knowledge etc. but we're all just people doing the best we can with what we have.

So if you have developed any sort of negative perceptions about the forum or people in it, I'm suggesting that now might be a good time to wipe the slate clean and have a thankful Easter weekend focusing on what's good in your life and how you can move it forward in the happiest and most successful way.

This forum has been going for quite a few years, more than most of it's members have been online and it's got the answer to just about any question you could have about making money online.

That should be enough of a reason to keep it as part of your continuing IM education alone.

Only YOU can take the action you need to take. Only YOU can control your mindset and focus it on the things that will move you forward. Only YOU can make yourself feel small.

If you're at the point where you're feeling overwhelmed by everything it's just a sign that you've lost focus. Now is as good a time as there's ever been to make money online. It's easy to look in the rear view mirror and say "things aren't as easy as they used to be", especially regarding seo, but despite the current economic climate the Internet is still buzzing with people searching for products and spending money - all you need to do is get clear about how you intend to dip your toe into that money flow and then keep taking action.

If you feel small - take back your power and get busy creating your future - no-one else is gonna do it for you and if you're not working your own plan, you'll be part of someone else's.

No-one is better than you and if you decide they are, you're just giving yourself a false reason to feel bad. If you don't think they are and they do - just accept their ignorance and focus on your own growth.

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"And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same."

Andy what a great eye-opening post! The sooner one realizes it's the little things in life that count and put other things in our lives in perspective decent and in order the better the outcome will be. Enjoy your Easter Weekend and i hope warriors read this and take heed to it.

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Lisa Gergets

14 years ago

Aww baby, I'm sorry! Did that HURT your feelings? If you call the truth bashing, then by all means, feel hurt. It's not my fault some people are in DENIAL.

If you call that being bashed, then you are simply using something else (YET AGAIN OH CRAFTY ONE) as a tool and excuse to continue doing what you are doing.

There is a huge difference between being brutally honest to someone and being a b*tch. It's about subtlety, which is something I think you're ignorant of.

Your continued aggressive, off-putting, non-helpful, drama-filled, immature posts and your narcissistic attitude are...well...they're just really getting seriously annoying. And trust me, not just to me.

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acrasial

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets

There is a huge difference between being brutally honest to someone and being a b*tch. It's about subtlety, which is something I think you're ignorant of.

Your continued aggressive, off-putting, non-helpful, drama-filled, immature posts and your narcissistic attitude are...well...they're just really getting seriously annoying. And trust me, not just to me.

I know that I am more than welcome to leave this forum, and there would be a huge HOORAY sound afterward. But I don't sugar coat things. Apparently you don't either lately. And there is always a "report" button which can be used if my posts/threads are actually breaking the rules.

But thank you for the compliment, I am glad that you are taking the time to really take notice of me and my accomplishments in such a positive manner!

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Lisa Gergets

14 years ago

Originally Posted by acrasial

I know that I am more than welcome to leave this forum, and there would be a huge HOORAY sound afterward. But I don't sugar coat things. Apparently you don't either lately. And there is always a "report" button which can be used if my posts/threads are actually breaking the rules.

But thank you for the compliment, I am glad that you are taking the time to really take notice of me and my accomplishments in such a positive manner!

If you take that as a compliment, boy, you'd hate to see my insults!

If you had any accomplishments to speak of, I would definitely commend you on them. Unfortunately....

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Tina Golden

14 years ago

Acrasial,

Have you ever talked to anyone about your constant need to disagree, contradict and just generally stir the pot? I've met people like this in real life who just can't seem to help themselves but they've been diagnosed with personality disorders.

I just can't imagine anyone that masochistic that they enjoy making people dislike them but I suppose that's always a possibility.

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acrasial

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

Acrasial,

Have you ever talked to anyone about your constant need to disagree, contradict and just generally stir the pot? I've met people like this in real life who just can't seem to help themselves but they've been diagnosed with personality disorders.

I just can't imagine anyone that masochistic that they enjoy making people dislike them but I suppose that's always a possibility.

Tina

Masochistic people enjoy being dominated or abused. I however, do not enjoy this, which is why I OPENLY oppose things. So that's a terribly incorrect diagnosis, much like the rest of these labels being applied to me.

I do not force anyone to respond or read my posts, and I don't even post in every single thread that comes here. But once in a while there's a topic which sparks my interest, much like the topic above, what will happen is that I definitely will enjoy discussing it...even if that means I have to take the fire of being considered a masochistic, negative, ranting, annoying, thread hijacking, whiny, B*tch.

I am sure the list would be longer if others were to actually come out of the closet and say what they think of me too. Honestly, I hear the same sorts of comments being flown your way Ladies, (and gents), quite frequently on the forum and outside of it, but I don't agree with it either.

I have come to learn that you do know some things, and in fact may know more than I. I have come to understand your points of views as well, even if I don't always agree with it. I don't even mind you discussing your points of views with me either, as I still believe that is healthy.

Maybe you are right, and how would I know I am wrong, unless someone pointed that out to begin with? That's why I welcome the above regardless, because it's not that I'm running around attempting to constantly be disliked, it's more that I have an understanding of things which others do not.

I welcome that, and I welcome discussions, and ideas. But what I don't see happening here, is what I will call the "majority" welcoming the discussion of ideas, whether that means they are discussed:

In a positive light, or are simply just agreed upon (thanked and no further discussion of the topic...)
In a negative light (things are questioned, ideas are challenged etc...)

(IE. discussions are simply not welcome, only agreements are welcomed...and if everyone agrees, that's not really a discussion, that's simply saying the same thing over and over and over again.)

Now I am wondering why someone would post a topic, if they are simply just expecting that people will just agree with it, and say that they agree with it, and will thank them, and that's the end of it?

It doesn't work like that. If someone is going to share their ideas, not every single person is going to agree with that. Now while Gergets is suggesting I could at least make the effort to try and get my "disagreements" across humanely, I unfortunately consider sugar coating things to just be too fake for my personality.

Some people will call that rude (which they have), and will say that I am ignorant (which they have), and may even suggest that I am uptight and just b*tchy and should get lost. However, I consider this to be a misunderstanding in general.

Steven Wagenheim often tells people to take his advice/opinions with a grain of salt, and that kind of attitude works for him, where he can tell people: hey...don't take this too personally!

But that is HIS personality, HIS characteristic. And I understand that, but that is not me. Just because I don't act like how the majority does, does not mean I the Devil's advocate. I simply take that as the inability of others to understand.

I understand where you are coming from. I understand you find me annoying, because people come in here with positive ideas and suggestions, and I come in here trying to challenge that, so you find that really rude and even disrespectful.

And as suggested, apparently that's not even the tip of the iceburg as to how some people take it. But hey, clarify how that makes you feel then, if that helps you to understand things, or if that helps you to feel better, because I am not acting the way you think I should.

Oh, and I know someone will HATE this response, because it's "long, whiny, annoying, useless and doesn't add any value to this forum". But I understand why someone would think that as well. It's not like I am *oblivious as to how I make people feel.

I understand people are getting ticked off because of my presence here, and because of my attitude, and because of the way I function. I have to welcome that, because I know that it's different to people, and that they have a difficult time trying to understand or reason with it.

That's why I welcome it, because rejection isn't a bad thing...it's simply a learning experience. The best learning experience, in fact.

You sit in your comfort zones, I go outside of my comfort zone. Do you really think it's all too comfortable to constantly be under fire from others? It would be VERY EASY to try and blend in with everyone and act as if that is me, but at the end of the day that is the HARDEST kind of life to live: a fake one.

And by that I mean that it would be fake for me to sit here and pretend I agree with everything, and even more fake to avoid every single topic I don't agree with...because that would be fear: the fear of facing things.

Now I honestly, at this point, don't expect anyone to truly understand this. But I do at least understand that all of my actions are making others feel uncomfortable...because my actions are OUTSIDE of their comfort zone.

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Lisa Gergets

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Hi Warriors,

I keep seeing people posting here upset about other people posting comments that they see as self-aggrandizing, cocky, and what ever other words you can come up with for being full of themselves.

This seems to have the effect of causing some people to feel 'small' or making them thing like they think they're something special etc. etc.

I'm sure this is all part of the same mindset that there are 'Gurus' and then 'everyone else'.

This forum is full of widely diverse personalities and it's very easy to misunderstand someone or make a judgement about them based on a post they make, so it's bound to end up with some sort of emotional clashes for people I guess.

However, the point I want to make is that - it's generally full of really nice people - more than you're likely to find in any other IM forum. So don't throw the baby out with the bath water if you see a post you don't like - one person doesn't represent the forum (apart from Allen).

This forum is one of the most useful resources anyone could wish for and it's amazing that Allen (and the mods) have been able to keep it as good as it still is.

Although there are some successful people in here - they're still people - human beings with the same desire to be happy and successful that you have.

There are many different perspectives on what constitute good options for making money online and the diversity here is one of the key benefits - anyone can find people they like and can work with and make money with.

It's easy to put people in pigeon holes based on their join date, post count, perceived success/knowledge etc. but we're all just people doing the best we can with what we have.

So if you have developed any sort of negative perceptions about the forum or people in it, I'm suggesting that now might be a good time to wipe the slate clean and have a thankful Easter weekend focusing on what's good in your life and how you can move it forward in the happiest and most successful way.

This forum has been going for quite a few years, more than most of it's members have been online and it's got the answer to just about any question you could have about making money online.

That should be enough of a reason to keep it as part of your continuing IM education alone.

Only YOU can take the action you need to take. Only YOU can control your mindset and focus it on the things that will move you forward. Only YOU can make yourself feel small.

If you're at the point where you're feeling overwhelmed by everything it's just a sign that you've lost focus. Now is as good a time as there's ever been to make money online. It's easy to look in the rear view mirror and say "things aren't as easy as they used to be", especially regarding seo, but despite the current economic climate the Internet is still buzzing with people searching for products and spending money - all you need to do is get clear about how you intend to dip your toe into that money flow and then keep taking action.

If you feel small - take back your power and get busy creating your future - no-one else is gonna do it for you and if you're not working your own plan, you'll be part of someone else's.

No-one is better than you and if you decide they are, you're just giving yourself a false reason to feel bad. If you don't think they are and they do - just accept their ignorance and focus on your own growth.

And remember......

"And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same."

Excellent, excellent post, Andy. And I love this quote by Eleanor Roosevelt: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."

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EquestrianGal

14 years ago

"It doesn't work like that. If someone is going to share their ideas, not every single person is going to agree with that. Now while Gergets is suggesting I could at least make the effort to try and get my "disagreements" across humanely, I unfortunately consider sugar coating things to just be too fake for my personality."

Really????

Does reminding everyone of being civil and not judging too quickly on Easter weekend qualify as an 'idea'? I more or less saw it as a wonderful reminder of one of the important basic lessons we were taught as children - - to treat others with the same respect and decency as you would want to be treated yourself.

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acrasial

14 years ago

Originally Posted by EquestrianGal

"It doesn't work like that. If someone is going to share their ideas, not every single person is going to agree with that. Now while Gergets is suggesting I could at least make the effort to try and get my "disagreements" across humanely, I unfortunately consider sugar coating things to just be too fake for my personality."

Really????

Does reminding everyone of being civil and not judging too quickly on Easter weekend qualify as an 'idea'? I more or less saw it as a wonderful reminder of one of the important basic lessons we were taught as children - - to treat others with the same respect and decency as you would want to be treated yourself.

Like I said. It doesn't work like that. Asking someone to just drop all their pre-conceived notions about other warriors is not something which would be done overnight. Also, asking other warriors not to "judge too quickly" for one weekend can't even take place in this thread either, because the same people who are claiming it's a good idea, and the same people who simply want me to agree here, can't even do that themselves.

Funny to see people telling me not to complain, when they are in fact doing the same thing themselves. Funny to see people telling me not to judge, when they are in fact doing that themselves. Funny to see people telling me to forgive, when they are the KINGS AND QUEENS of grudges.

And you know what? Fine. I am still me, and I will be me. They don't like it! As everyone else has been telling me: screw em'.

But take that from the fire breathing "b*tch", which some people believe me to be.

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tinywebdesigner 14 years ago

Another good post~
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Underground SEO

14 years ago

Great post Andy, as the above, very well said.

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SilentX

14 years ago

Huh, ya it never occurred to me that people might take offense to others' posts about their successes. I suppose it is important to remember that we're all people and, as such, we are all equal in our own distinct ways to make our own success. Comparing yourself to others isn't going to make you get more sales, unless you learn from their mistakes and successes similarly. Doing what is right for you is always the ultimate goal. Thanks for posting about this, because it's important to show that sharing success isn't always equivalent to being boastful.

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DeonKrey

14 years ago

Loved reading it again.

Forums like this could definitely build more warriors the more we keep on helping each other. That way, we also learn from those questions, review ourselves and then evaluate our concepts from all other comments. That's how forums are built - to not only give information but also help people realize things from even the newbies.

Even experts do learn from their small ideas though!

And remember......

"And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same."

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ogleyd5

14 years ago

Hi Andy

I'm new to WF and have just read your post. Excellent comments which I whole heartedly agree with.

I think in all forum environments, there are those who are genuinely in the business of helping people and others who are more interested in simply helping themsleves!

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thenextcameron

14 years ago

I like your last points. Thanks!

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richgrad

14 years ago

Remember that nobody can make you feel small unless you choose to allow yourself to feel small...

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tyroneshum

14 years ago

Actually we all have started small and thinking that all people are totally equal is one great way to build your self-esteem just doing what you enjoy the most and then start making great results from it.

I hope this helps too!

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Groovystar

14 years ago

Good post full of good points. But actually, I never noticed that nastiness or even cockiness is really prevalent here at all. Sure you get the once in a while off colour comment that could be taken wrong, but you get that anywhere. Seriously if people think this forum is nasty they've not been to that many forums.

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