Sam Harris versus Ben Affleck

by discrat

Posted: 9 years ago 53 replies

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Found this video earlier today and find it very interesting.
More so the interaction and the body language of the participants within the discussion.

In particular Ben. He looks a little frazzled and guided by pure emotions from very the git go with this discussion on Bill Maher with Sam Harris.

I do not necessarily disagree with some of his views but I bet he wishes he could have a redo

Real Time with Bill Maher: Ben Affleck, Sam...

Dan Riffle 9 years ago

Ben Harris? I think you might have that wrong, Richard.
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- discrat 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle
  
  Ben Harris? I think you might have that wrong, Richard.
  
  Oh brother, not this again
  
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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Found this video earlier today and find it very interesting.

Ben looks a little frazzled and guided by pure emotions from very the git go with this discussion on Bill Maher with Sam Harris.

I do not necessarily disagree with some of his views but I bet he wishes he could have a redo

Affleck is misinterpreting what Harris is saying. It's nearly impossible to get someone to understand you, when the person (Affleck) has strong views, and is getting angry.

Harris is one of the most intelligent people I've ever heard. He is a great debater. Right up there with the late Christopher Hitchens.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

And Ben Affleck is a meat suit.

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BigFrank Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

And Ben Affleck is an ass-clown.

Fixed that for you.

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- Dan Riffle 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by BigFrank
  
  Fixed that for you.
  
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  I think we can find middle ground here, Frank, and agree that he's both.
  
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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

And Ben Affleck is a meat suit.

Why do you think so? Same question to Big Frank.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Why do you think so? Same question to Big Frank.

First, I have issues with actors who think we should give two shits about their opinions simply because they're famous for speaking other people's words. This refers to the majority of actors-as-activists.

Second, I've listened to Affleck speak. Pure meat puppet. He cannot fathom different opinion from his own. He doesn't even consider it. I'm not interested enough to go searching for links, so let's just say it's my opinion based on interviews I've seen.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I get that. It aggravates the problem, when their entourage listens to every word they say. They eventually think that their opinion has weight.
But...that doesn't mean they are wrong.

I get your answer, as well as Big Frank's. Thanks guys.

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TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

You said...

"First, I have issues with actors who think we should give two shits about their opinions simply because they're famous for speaking other people's words. This refers to the majority of actors-as-activists."

My question...

Does that also apply to Chuck Norris?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ud3pK5Wa90#t=118

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Short answer: Yes. It applies to every actor across the political spectrum, TL.

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BigFrank

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

My question...

Does that also apply to Chuck Norris?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ud3pK5Wa90#t=118

While Ben Affleck may be an ass-clown, Chuck Norris holds the title as the world champion of ass-clowns.

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discrat 9 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

While Ben Affleck may be an ass-clown, Chuck Norris holds the title as the world champion of ass-clowns.

Cheers. - Frank

Curious, because I have not kept up with Chuck in many years, but what ass clownish things has he
done ??
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  Originally Posted by discrat
  
  Curious, because I have not kept up with Chuck in many years, but what ass clownish things has he done ??
  
  It's personal. I don't like hard-right leaning nut jobs. I'm funny that way. :-)
  
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  discrat 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by BigFrank
  
  I don't like hard-right leaning nut jobs. :-)
  
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  Is that a physical malformation Norris received with too many kicks to the groin area ??
  
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  Originally Posted by discrat
  
  Is that a physical malformation Norris received with too many kicks to the groin area ??
  
  Priceless!!! lol Unfortunately, he acts as if he has taken to many kicks to the cranium. A total douche, if you'll par-doan my French.
  
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Chris Worner 9 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

While Ben Affleck may be an ass-clown, Chuck Norris holds the title as the world champion of ass-clowns.

Cheers. - Frank

Don't let Terra hear you say that!

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

While Ben Affleck may be an ass-clown, Chuck Norris holds the title as the world champion of ass-clowns.

Cheers. - Frank

I'm going to disagree with you here, Frank, if I may. Sean Penn holds the titles of both world champion of ass clowns and Assclown Supreme. However, in the spirit of group harmony, I will concede that we can have multiple bodies declaring a champion, much like the WBC and the IBF.

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TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

While the "Thousands Years Of Darkness" speech is one of the all time great examples of an irresponsible celebrity... (IMHO)

I wonder what has Mr. Penn said or done to deserve such an honor?

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

While the "Thousands Years Of Darkness" speech is one of the all time great examples of an irresponsible celebrity... (IMHO)

I wonder what has Mr. Penn said or done to deserve such an honor?

Because he's a life time achiever. Off the top of my head:

* Tied up and beat Madonna over a nine hour period. Possibly raped her, as well, but I can't remember if that was ever confirmed.

* Went to Katrina-afflicted New Orleans to "save people" in a three person boat -filled with himself and a photographer. Made sure he'd be filmed "rescuing" people - one at a time. Had to be rescued himself when his boat flooded.

* Said Obama should use Executive Order to commit opponents to psych ward. Knowing his politics and level of crazy, I'm pretty sure he wasn't kidding. The Piers Morgan video is out there.

* Wants journalists jailed for referring to Hugo Chavez as a "dictator."

There's many, many more, I'm sure. With Sean, it's not a quality of assclownishness, but quantity.

I'd provide a conservative celebrity counterpart in an attempt to be fair and balanced, but I do my best to ignore any political monologues from celebrities and conservative celebrities don't get much air time.

Oh, Mel Gibson. I could be persuaded to crown him Assclown Supreme. The quality is there, but he doesn't yet have the longevity of Penn. That and he might be negated by Alec Baldwin.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

and conservative celebrities don't get much air time.

There aren't that many, at least not actors. I'm not sure why.

Just as I'm not sure why almost all small business owners are conservative.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

There aren't that many, at least not actors. I'm not sure why.

Just as I'm not sure why almost all small business owners are conservative.

Correct. Part of it is, I think, a personality thing. Arty types tend to be more liberal. Another part is conservative actors feel they have to hide their conservative nature in order to land roles. Many don't "come out" until after they've made it.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

That makes sense. But most actors aren't publicly political, no matter what their views. It would automatically hurt their box office.

And we really only hear from the nut jobs. Actors who think it's their mission, to change the world, and be seen doing it.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

It doesn't seem to matter if they are political or not, conservatives can get blacklisted. Spend a couple minutes with Google and you'll find some examples.

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Claude Whitacre 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

It doesn't seem to matter if they are political or not, conservatives can get blacklisted. Spend a couple minutes with Google and you'll find some examples.

Do you mean actors who are conservative, or actors that are religious? It seems unbelievable that someone wouldn't be hired, just because they are conservative, or religious. Why would it even come up?

Of course, it comes up here....maybe I'm missing something.
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TLTheLiberator 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

It doesn't seem to matter if they are political or not, conservatives can get blacklisted. Spend a couple minutes with Google and you'll find some examples.

Kelsey Grammer is one who has hinted that he's probably been discriminated against for Emmys because of his political beliefs.
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Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

It doesn't seem to matter if they are political or not, conservatives can get blacklisted. Spend a couple minutes with Google and you'll find some examples.

I believe one reason Hollywood is liberal is because they've checked the historic economic record and the economy does a whole lot better when one side runs the show than when the other side runs the show (no pun intended) and that's a whole lot better for their entertainment business.

#2: The Red Scare of the 1950s from the right and the subsequent demonizing of hollywood let them know who their friends are.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

And we really only hear from the nut jobs. Actors who think it's their mission, to change the world, and be seen doing it.

Most famous movie stars either have large egos to start with or are used to having their egos stoked by fans, publicists and other agents, so much so that they probably believe the world is waiting with bated breath on their every utterance.

Either that or they're so guilty about earning vast sums of money for essentially pretending to be someone else, that they feel the need to find greater meaning or purpose in their privileged lives.

I agree that the opinions of actors on matters other than acting are generally not worth hearing, but occasionally I have to accept that they can use their fame to bring attention to worthy causes. For example, I think Angelina Jolie's work in helping refugees is commendable.

But otherwise, spare us the preaching. That goes for sports stars as well. And don't get me started on Bono.

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Claude Whitacre 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

But otherwise, spare us the preaching. That goes for sports stars as well. And don't get me started on Bono.

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Or Cher...just saying.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Looking at celebrity online view-counts, it would seem that they really are.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

That's quite a record.

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Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

A workable compromise. After all, an ass does have a 'left' cheek and a 'right' cheek.

On a side note, we don't hear much from Mr. Penn as of late, but Chuckles Chuckeroo is still rearing his ugly head, much more than I'd like to see.

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Richard Van

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Now I know this is about 'ass' clown actors but can I just squeeze Justin Bieber's name into the thread while we're on the subject?

Or is ass clown a bit tame?

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Originally Posted by Richard Van

Now I know this is about 'ass' clown actors but can I just squeeze Justin Bieber's name into the thread while we're on the subject?

Or is ass clown a bit tame?

He's just an ass - pure and simple! I see no reason to elevate his status.

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Richard Van 9 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

He's just an ass - pure and simple! I see no reason to elevate his status.

Cheers. - Frank

I thought ass clown was too tame.

Over here an ass is a donkey anyway and frankly (no pun intended) I find that a flagrant breach of any donkeys equine rights. To be mentioned in the same sentence as Just-in Bieber is a disgusting way to treat any animal of any kind.
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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Now I know this is about 'ass' clown actors but can I just squeeze Justin Bieber's name into the thread while we're on the subject?

Or is ass clown a bit tame?

Be honest. You read the word "ass" and thought of Justin Bieber.

I don't even want to know what photos are plastered on your wall.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Now I know this is about 'ass' clown actors but can I just squeeze Justin Bieber's name into the thread while we're on the subject?

Or is ass clown a bit tame?

He doesn't have the gravitas to enter the competition for Assclown Supreme. Asshat, maybe.

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Why do you think so? Same question to Big Frank.

Seriously? Well, perhaps it's because I truly believe that Ben gives more deep thought to his wardrobe for the day than he has ever given to the actual scourge that Islamic extremists have unleashed upon civilization. Civilization - a concept that is alien to them since they refuse to participate. Driving a Toyata pick-up truck does NOT make you civilized.

I may be a freakin' liberal-loon, but I don't have my head stuck up my ass blinding me to the actual world around me and what transpires in it on a daily basis.

Look up light-weight in the dictionary. Who's picture do you think you'll find? He's your typical Hollywood liberal, living a life of privilege which gives him lots of free time to feign concern for the plight of the poor Muslims that are having their religion besmirched. Screw him.

Anything else you need to know, today??? :-)

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TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

This guy doesn't trust the poll results that Maher and Harris use for their conclusions about Islamic beliefs because....

... he claims the respondents are under pressure to tow the line.

Bill Maher and Sam Harris’ proof is wrong: Their argument is based on an untrustworthy poll - Salon.com

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Bill Maher and Sam Harris' proof is wrong: Their argument is based on an untrustworthy poll - Salon.com

Does anyone actually believe that there is something that could be called a 'trustworthy' poll? I certainly don't. Too often the respondent gives the answer they believe that the pollster is looking for.

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TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

I hear you.

I hope those poll results are not accurate because if they are, I think its frighting.

But how about that guy Nate Silver who takes a composite of all the major polls and predicts presidential outcomes like clockwork.

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discrat

9 years ago

Yeah I guess this video struck me as how to not be a good debator.

Harris, although we have different philosophies about Life ( but there are some similarities),
always remains calm and practical. And this is a sign of someone who takes a more objective look at things in this World.

Hitchen was impressive but some of the debates he was in he would show his anger and frustration in a more subdued way than say someone like Affleck.

I just always thought Harris to be in total control for the most part. More so than anyone else I have come across in these type of settings.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Yeah I guess this video struck me as how to not be a god debator.

Harris, although we have different philosophies about Life ( but there are some similarities),
always remains calm and practical. And this is a sign of someone who takes a more objective look at things in this World.

Hitchen was impressive but some of the debates he was in he would show his anger and frustration in a more subdued way than say someone like Affleck.

I just always thought Harris to be in total control for the most part. More so than anyone else I have come across in these type of settings.

Harris sounds like that in interviews too. He even sounds reserved in lively debates. He has a deep understanding of his subject. But also a deep understanding of what is actually taking place in a debate. (The actual positioning, and techniques used in debate)

Hitchens loved debating. He loved debating even more than he loved being right. It was the debate itself that made him happy.

He was a devout Atheist. In an interview with Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, and Daniel Dennett (All highly educated Skeptics). The question was asked "If you could make a wish, and instantly get rid of all religious beliefs, would you?"

The other three said "Yes".

Hitchins said "No. Some of the most beautiful art and music, comes from religion. And what would I do with my life? Who would I argue with?"

It was interesting. I never thought of it like that.

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Hitchins said "No. Some of the most beautiful art and music, comes from religion. And what would I do with my life? Who would I argue with?"

It was interesting. I never thought of it like that.

Wow! That's really something. He's right about that of course, but I would have asked him if the art and music were enough to offset the pain and treachery that religion has wrought upon mankind.

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Lucian Lada 9 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

but I would have asked him if the art and music were enough to offset the pain and treachery that religion has wrought upon mankind.

And hideous and incredibly numerous churches that are partially funded by the government (i.e. with money that could be used for useful things). I don't know how "well" you're doing there in the US, but here, in Eastern Europe, they're building a church at every corner these days. If you can't imagine how that feels like, think of Starbucks.
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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

They discussed that. I don't remember the precise answers, but Hitchins stuck to his guns. I admired that. He was a great mind.

In a single sentence he could be irritating, confrontational, brilliant, compassionate...I think you could hate him and admire him, at the same time.

I know you'll hate this...but you remind me of him a little.

Riffle reminds me of his castrated poodle.

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

They discussed that. I don't remember the precise answers, but Hitchins stuck to his guns. I admired that. He was a great mind.

Agreed.

In a single sentence he could be irritating, confrontational, brilliant, compassionate...I think you could hate him and admire him, at the same time.

I know you'll hate this...but you remind me of him a little.

Why would I hate that? It might be the largest compliment ever bestowed upon me, around here. While I appreciate the sentiment, I am getting tired of your incessant ploys to solicit man sex from me. Ain't gonna happen.

Riffle reminds me of his castrated poodle.

I do hate to repeat myself, but - agreed!

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Lucian Lada

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Hitchen was impressive but some of the debates he was in he would show his anger and frustration in a more subdued way than say someone like Affleck.

True, but Affleck gets angry because he just doesn't like what he's hearing. He doesn't even think. Look at him, he's a total mess. In his mind, he goes like, "You said something's wrong with Islam? F8ck you, you a$$hole!" Whereas Hitchens goes like, "I'm really getting pissed off because even though I've provided so many facts that back up my claims, these people won't admit it. I'll try one last time and then go get a drink and enjoy a cigar."

Two very different situations.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Lucian Lada

True, but Affleck gets angry because he just doesn't like what he's hearing. He doesn't even think. Look at him, he's a total mess. In his mind, he goes like, "You said something's wrong with Islam? F8ck you, you a$!" Whereas Hitchens goes like, "I'm really getting pissed off because even though I've provided so many facts that back up my claims, these people won't admit it. I'll try one last time and then go get a drink and enjoy a cigar."

Two very different situations.

I saw the show when it aired. Affleck had issues with Harris, before the discussion began. He was ready for a fight...before anything on air was said.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I saw the show when it aired. Affleck had issues with Harris, before the discussion began. He was ready for a fight...before anything on air was said.

The sad thing is up to that point Harris had never met Affleck before in his Life. And Harris was miffed afterward
why Affleck jumped on him like that without ever meeting him before and knowing him personally. He just attributed it to detractors of his trying to influence Ben before the show.

Like I said, I agree with some of what Affleck was saying but too bad he had to represent these views with such horrid communication skills and the emotional maturity of a little twit.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

It's possible that Affleck read some of Harris's work on the subject, before the show.

I don't know enough about the subject matter to have an opinion. But Affleck didn't handle himself well.

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Joe Mobley

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Lucian Lada

This is not even an actor-activist problem, it's an ego problem. Someone who is so emotionally attached to an idea that any disagreement is taken as a personal slight.

"You said something I disagree with!? F8ck you, you a$!"

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Whereas Hitchens goes like, "I'm really getting pissed off because even though I've provided so many facts that back up my claims, these people won't admit it. I'll try one last time and then go get a drink and enjoy a cigar."

Two very different situations.

The providing of facts is of no concern of the aforementioned individual. It is not that they can not see the facts, it is that they refuse to see the facts.

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thunderbird 9 years ago

Irrespective of whose characterizations of 1.6 billion people are more accurate, we're all on the planet together, like it or not.
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