Is weather control a thing?

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So...I was having a conversation with an old friend who is even nuttier than I am when it comes to controversial issues.

He mentioned weather control...the ability to control the weather, climate and earth.

Its an idea that never even occurred to me and frankly sounded ridiculous so when I left him, later I did some cursory digging...what I found was...

Patents do exist for weather control technologies....I don't know about patent laws...don't know if these machines or processes have to actually be built and work to get a patent.

There is a UN Treaty regarding the restriction of weather control warfare...which is interesting...I'm pretty sure Laws don't get passed about stuff that is imaginary and doesn't exist.

found a couple articles about China doing weather control, apparently they do it alot.

So I thought I'd throw this out to the community ...there are diverse opinions and thinking processes that take place here.

What are YOUR thoughts and findings on this matter?
  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by Doran Peck View Post

    So...I was having a conversation with an old friend who is even nuttier than I am when it comes to controversial issues.

    He mentioned weather control...the ability to control the weather, climate and earth.

    Its an idea that never even occurred to me and frankly sounded ridiculous so when I left him, later I did some cursory digging...what I found was...

    Patents do exist for weather control technologies....I don't know about patent laws...don't know if these machines or processes have to actually be built and work to get a patent.

    There is a UN Treaty regarding the restriction of weather control warfare...which is interesting...I'm pretty sure Laws don't get passed about stuff that is imaginary and doesn't exist.

    found a couple articles about China doing weather control, apparently they do it alot.

    So I thought I'd throw this out to the community ...there are diverse opinions and thinking processes that take place here.

    What are YOUR thoughts and findings on this matter?
    They pass laws about things that may happen in the future. If weather control were possible right now, California wouldn't be in a record drought, Texas wouldn't be under water, and people wouldn't be dropping dead in India, because of the heat.

    If you give a little thought to it, how would you control the weather? Create low pressure where there isn't any? how would you do that? Create water in the air, where there isn't any? The problem with "weather" is that it's huge. It covers the whole planet.

    We'll get right on it, after the perpetual motion machine, and the telepathy weapons.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Maybe we could tow icebergs to the warm areas during El Nino, and stimulate underwater volcanoes during La Nina to warm the waters...

    Or create a massive jet stream deflector....

    The forces that affect weather are so massive on scale that it would be nearly impossible to affect them through small man-made efforts.

    I'm trying to image convincing a tornado or typhoon to alter direction...I, for one, do not want to stand out in the field to test that theory.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      One use considered for cloud seeding was a theory you could increase rainfall in a hurricane while it was out at sea and thus might reduced the wind, circulation and impact of the storm before came ashore.

      The only time I know it was tried years ago, it was rather quickly consigned to the "we didn't do that - don't know anything about it" pile. Seeding a hurricane as it approached the Gulf turned it into a major rain system, changed the course of the storm and ended up doing significant damage in Mexico.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Doran - Aerial geo-engineering is real. There are companies that make a living at it and you can find their gov permits right online.

    It's a form of weather control that's been used a long time. Idaho sued Oregon for it because they were seeding in the cascades so all the water was dropping just East of the Cascades and causing droughts in ID and UT. The aluminum and bromide used are poisonous. Conspiracy sites (usually talk about "chemtrails" instead of "geoengineering) claim there's a lot of other stuff in them, but I only know of the two). It is done enough in some areas that Monsanto patented aluminum resistant plants. The military claims it enhances radar capability - but at what cost? The real danger in what some call "cloud seeding" is not that they are making rain - it's that they are making the clouds themselves now and it's shifting weather all over the globe.

    There is legislation that weather control methods can't be used for warfare. There's a lot of legislation that deals with weather control. Claude - all legislation deals with the future - that's what it is for? Think about that one.

    So much geoengineering has been being done globally that, either early this year or late last year (can't remember when right now) 193 countries banned it. China and the US did not. Some doctors are speaking out against it because of the nature and amount of respiratory illnesses and deaths they're seeing. Aluminum and bromide are not particulates you want to be breathing. The amount of deaths due to lung issues is rising rapidly and only 1/3 of lung cancer victims smoke - or ever did. Studies showed that it is harmful to all weather patterns on earth can have disastrous effects - the the whole world except two greedy superpowers have put it to rest.

    I'm not sure why people can't look at the crisscrosses that planes make that expand into clouds and then call people "crazy" for noticing. Most people don't even bother to look up anymore I guess. And it's complete stupidity to claim something doesn't happen then you can not only find the permits but where they are allowed to spray. If they are allowed to spray in your area and you are calling it "conspiracy theory" when you see it, it's time to start wondering about your own sanity. That's more denial than I can get my head around. Normal contrails do not expand into clouds. If anyone cares to sit and watch them crisscross the sky with them, then sit and watch, they can see them expand and see the effect. That part only takes working vision, not "secret" knowledge".

    Frankly - with a 193 country ban, I'm a little curious as to why the US and China aren't being sued in international courts. Maybe they will be in the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      I guess seeding clouds is controlling the weather. But it's controlling the weather, in the same way digging a ditch is terraforming a planet.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I guess seeding clouds is controlling the weather. But it's controlling the weather, in the same way digging a ditch is terraforming a planet.
        Not really. When you dig a ditch it effects the surrounding ecosystem (which actually can cause chain reactions if that ditch destroys any of the indigenous web of life. Weather control, though, is not contained or even containable. And - it changes weather enough to effect not only immediate ecosystems, but air currents drift and so other areas can be affected negatively even if the area "controlled" needed what was done.

        Some of it isn't even for weather control, even though it effects the weather - some of it, as I mentioned is for things like the military enhancing their radar capabilities. It can destroy a local ecosystem and cause respiratory illnesses in people and animals. The aluminum and bromide get into soil and water and can effect plant life as well as animals.

        It's bad news or 193 countries wouldn't have banned it. They didn't ban it because they were afraid of it being used for warfare - they banned it because it's destroying ecosystems.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I'm surprised HAARP has not come up. In a nutshell HAARP technology is the use of ultra strong high or low frequencies. It has been attributed to harming the hearing and navigation of birds and sea life, over the horizon radar, communication with submarines, ultrasound to map beneath the surface of the earth, and to heat the ionosphere for weather manipulation.

    USA and allies actually have something like 14 HAARP stations in place, and the Chinese and Russians have dabbled as well.

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    of weather manipulation history and some of the patents.

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    This may be the same as what Kay was referring to, but I've heard or read that there are patents for seeding hurricanes with rubbery pellets to change the temp and pressure and lessen their strength.

    http://www.miracosta.edu/home/kmelda...cles/canes.pdf

    I've also heard that the tech exists to use create or mess with and use earthquakes and hurricanes as weapons.


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    Gates is interested:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sci...ory?id=8055781


    Dr. Edward Teller also has patents in the area of global climate change.

    http://www.colby.edu/sts/06_fleming_pathological.pdf

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    A paper on “Active climate stabilization albedo control,” by Edward Teller
    (now deceased) and his protégés at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory proposed that both global warming and the onset of an ice age could be prevented by
    injecting appropriate sub-microscopic chaff particles into the Stratosphere.62 In the
    case of excess warming, the chaff would reflect about two percent of incoming solar
    radiation to cool the planet by up to four degrees; in the case of unwanted cooling,
    a different kind of chaff could be used to enhance the natural greenhouse effect by
    the same amount. In either case, the authors estimated that “albedoengineering”
    or active technical management of radiative forcing would cost less than $1B per
    year or much less than one percent of the cost of “bureaucratic management” of
    greenhouse gases. Moreover, in their reading, the UN Framework Convention on
    Climate Change (Art. 3.3) requires reducing bureaucratic management, since it calls
    for “ensur[ing] global benefits at the lowest possible cost.”63

    Notwithstanding the authorsʼ hopes of generating more colorful sunsets, their
    proposal to control globalwarming would probably turn the blue sky white while
    reducing direct beam solar radiation by about twenty percent.64

    At the Tyndall Centre meeting two other scientists from Lawrence Livermore
    National Laboratory, Bala Govindasamy and Ken Caldira, provided a valuable
    counterpoint to the enthusiasm of Teller et al.65 They argued that the technical,
    environmental, political, and economic challenges of geoengineering schemes
    demand further investigation. Even on the merely technical level, they warned
    that geoengineering could subject ecosystems to unknown and possibly adverse
    impacts, and that the failure of a geoengineering system could expose the Earth to
    extremely rapid climate change. They thought the better way to reduce the effects
    of greenhouse gas emissions is by reducing greenhouse gas emissions, an eminently
    reasonable conclusion echoing that of D. Whitney King over a decade ago.66
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      It just did. You're just absolutely encourageable, aren't ya?

      I read that a long time ago. It's an interesting read to say the least.
      It's hard to discuss, though, because you can't see what they are (or aren't) doing. Chemtrails - anyone with decent vision can see those. HAARP is relatively secretive, whereas you can google geoengineering companies, find the permits, etc. I'm not really sure if we know all about HAARP, but I didn't feel that some of their experiments were all that safe. That's 21st century science, though.

      BTW - now that you have raised that subject. I heard that HAARP was shut down. Do you know if that's true or not?
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        It just did. You're just absolutely encourageable, aren't ya?

        I read that a long time ago. It's an interesting read to say the least.
        It's hard to discuss, though, because you can't see what they are (or aren't) doing. Chemtrails - anyone with decent vision can see those. HAARP is relatively secretive, whereas you can google geoengineering companies, find the permits, etc. I'm not really sure if we know all about HAARP, but I didn't feel that some of their experiments were all that safe. That's 21st century science, though.

        BTW - now that you have raised that subject. I heard that HAARP was shut down. Do you know if that's true or not?
        I don't know if it is true or not. I suspect it is still going on, just lower profle.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

          I don't know if it is true or not. I suspect it is still going on, just lower profle.
          At least some of it's true. I'm not sure how much, myself. Scientists can be quite mad when it comes to what they will do if they think they can accomplish it. When they're willing to take a risk, they just assume that we're all okay with the risks, too. Well, some of them. A lot of them don't give a rat if we like it or not. Govs - we already know they don't give a rat what we think about anything.

          I'm kinda thinking it's still operational. They are corporate so you know that if they're getting profit, they're still around somewhere in some capacity. They were operational in, I believe it was the 80's, when Congress denied funding. Not sure what they used for cash to continue operations, but they managed.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by Doran Peck View Post

    So...I was having a conversation with an old friend who is even nuttier than I am when it comes to controversial issues.

    He mentioned weather control...the ability to control the weather, climate and earth.

    Its an idea that never even occurred to me and frankly sounded ridiculous so when I left him, later I did some cursory digging...what I found was...

    Patents do exist for weather control technologies....I don't know about patent laws...don't know if these machines or processes have to actually be built and work to get a patent.
    You ARE supposed to patent things you have done, and include the methods on how to do things! To give you an idea of the level, the Allies, in WWII, got the REGISTERED PATENT for the enigma machine to help break the NAZI cyphers in WWII! The plans were SO detailed, that ALL they needed was a disk and then the primary setting, to decipher all the land based cyphers! ALL the famed coders had to do was look for key strings in the text and determine what setting would create the obvious value to get the primary setting. I say land based, because apparently the UBOATS had a slightly modified system, and a longer setting, and the first thing a captured uboat was supposed to do was DESTROY all that info. Of course the allies caught an UBOAT that failed to do that, and then had a way to crack THAT code.

    Of course, MOST may remember the NTP patent war! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTP,_Inc. They merely spoke in general terms, though they specified a few facts that were obvious even THEN!

    STILL, there HAVE been devices to change the weather to a degree for perhaps close to a century. Due to some environmental fallout, and the complexity and unreliability, I don'tthink they are done much anymore.

    There is a UN Treaty regarding the restriction of weather control warfare...which is interesting...I'm pretty sure Laws don't get passed about stuff that is imaginary and doesn't exist.
    The US is supposedly working on a weaponized type of thing, but it is apparently untried. Creating a bit more rain on an area, or diverting rain, probably isn't much of a weapon, and it would be more along the lines of what HAS been done.

    found a couple articles about China doing weather control, apparently they do it alot.

    So I thought I'd throw this out to the community ...there are diverse opinions and thinking processes that take place here.

    What are YOUR thoughts and findings on this matter?
    I guess it all depends on where you are and the situation. DESPITE what people may think, weather generally IS local! Rain on ONE area may deprive ANOTHER area of rain, and vice versa. And you have to remember that an earthquake in one area could create a tsunami in ANOTHER.

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  • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
    Another interesting tidbit. She mentions that a number of weather modification projects are being done by both military, government, and private companies.


    The chemtrail aspect...to me is the least worrysome thing....however it would be very interesting to get more info on these other things she was referring to.
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  • I don't think it exists. Two thinks lead me to suspect it, firstly, G8 countries have been had rains and what we would consider bad weather. Bad even in economical sense. If it existed, you bet the wealthiest get their hands the first.
    Secondly, we don't even forsee the weather. Hence, I don't think we can control something we can't even deconstruct properly.
    Thirdly and finally, the UN has to have "preemptive" rules. If it was the other way around, then something needed at first be recognised as a threat, then detained. Meaning that a person could kill with an invention and the action would bear no juridical value.
    So, just because it's been talked about in UN it doesn't mean it exists.
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