This is why I love America.

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This the only place in the world where a man can get arrested, everyone outraged at his crime, his career torn up, his property confiscated and sold, and he spends over a year in jail and he gets out to get his own reality show.

Scoop: Michael Vick lands own TV show on BET - The Scoop- msnbc.com
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    And in chicago you can be on the honor roll and get your head bashed in by doing little more than crossing the street.

    BUT HEY!!!!!

    You can get african sleeping sickness in Africa!

    So do you like Africa also!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author bozz723
    I really, really, am outraged with Vick. Scum of the earth who tortures innocent beings for pleasure. I can't believe people support him.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

    This the only place in the world where a man can get arrested, everyone outraged at his crime, his career torn up, his property confiscated and sold, and he spends over a year in jail and he gets out to get his own reality show.

    Scoop: Michael Vick lands own TV show on BET - The Scoop- msnbc.com
    Where but in America would you find populations so completely droolin' stupid that they would not boycott such a travesty? I hope someone plugs him through the forehead during that first episode - now that would be worth waiting to see the rerun of!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I dont care for what vick did as far as the dogfights. However the man has paid his debt as set forth by our legal system. I just find it amusing that everyone was screaming for his head over fighting a breed of dog that most everyone agrees is the spawn of satan, and now he's getting his own show
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      I dont care for what vick did as far as the dogfights. However the man has paid his debt as set forth by our legal system. I just find it amusing that everyone was screaming for his head over fighting a breed of dog that most everyone agrees is the spawn of satan, and now he's getting his own show
      I just happen to be someone who has owned several dogs who the main population is scared ****lless of and they are wonderful loving and very sensitive animals when raised by someone with a bit of love for them. To think that it is no big deal that this pseudo-hominid cretin tortured these animals for his own pleasure and pocket change is an opinion that is so disgusting that I can't even see it being forwarded by anyone with even remedial human cognitive functions. You have ticked me off before, but I've never been this disgusted. I hope you get torn to **** by one of these wonderful creatures that has been tormented into viciousness -- and then remember that I have had the same breeds and they have SAVED LIVES. You apparently don't have any feelings for women or animals other than to wonder how they can be of convenience to your own butt. I can't even pity a woman stupid enough to be caught in your company.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        I just happen to be someone who has owned several dogs who the main population is scared ****lless of and they are wonderful loving and very sensitive animals when raised by someone with a bit of love for them. To think that it is no big deal that this pseudo-hominid cretin tortured these animals for his own pleasure and pocket change is an opinion that is so disgusting that I can't even see it being forwarded by anyone with even remedial human cognitive functions. You have ticked me off before, but I've never been this disgusted. I hope you get torn to **** by one of these wonderful creatures that has been tormented into viciousness -- and then remember that I have had the same breeds and they have SAVED LIVES. You apparently don't have any feelings for women or animals other than to wonder how they can be of convenience to your own butt. I can't even pity a woman stupid enough to be caught in your company.

        sooooo...what are you trying to say?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      I dont care for what vick did as far as the dogfights. However the man has paid his debt as set forth by our legal system. I just find it amusing that everyone was screaming for his head over fighting a breed of dog that most everyone agrees is the spawn of satan, and now he's getting his own show
      Well, nobody REALLY ever "pays the debt" as set forth by the legal system. HECK, it may even have gotten time off, etc.... And he wasn't in a REAL prison.

      Some say that pitbulls AREN'T all that bad. Still, are you saying that if dogs are beaten until they become VISCIOUS, even "GENTLE" ones can be, that they can then be tortured? Even DOLPHINS have started to attack from the mistreatment.

      Frankly, from what I have heard, I think they should concentrate on other breeds besides pit bulls, but Vick just made them concentrate on pitbulls MORE.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      I dont care for what vick did as far as the dogfights. However the man has paid his debt as set forth by our legal system. I just find it amusing that everyone was screaming for his head over fighting a breed of dog that most everyone agrees is the spawn of satan, and now he's getting his own show


      Yeh, the hollier-than-thou, animals before people crowd has a lot of nerve as far as I'm concerned.

      With all the real probs going on they choose to get riled up over this and other non-important issues.

      There's a lot of the green eyed monster lurking around.

      Anyone with any amount of fame or infamy can get a reality show these days.

      Heck, family members of famous people are getting shows.

      The TV channels are starved for content.

      That's just the reality.

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Yeh, the hollier-than-thou, animals before people crowd has a lot of nerve as far as I'm concerned.

        With all the real probs going on they choose to get riled up over this and other non-important issues.

        There's a lot of the green eyed monster lurking around.

        Anyone with any amount of fame or infamy can get a reality show these days.

        Heck, family members of famous people are getting shows.

        The TV channels are starved for content.

        That's just the reality.

        TL
        HEY, it is EASY to get riled up about SEVERAL things. Someone being upset at vicks success at such an OBSCENE life doesn't mean they are less upset with other things.

        GREEN eyed usually tries to make one think ENVYIOUS. WOW, you are SO envious of him that you think that ANYONE accusing him of any wrong is likewise envious? Care to bring in race, politics, and religion also? Frankly, I just hate the idea of such people spreading such obscenities. Race, religion, money, etc.... have NOTHING to do with it, though money does help to get on things like shows, and shows help spread it. How would HE react if someone treated HIM, like he treated those pit bulls?

        BTW I felt the SAME about the guys that beat reginald denny, or Derrion Albert. And I bet the people that did those things were POOR!

        So why did he go to BET!? Did they REALLY pay better than the other places, assuming the others wanted him?

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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          HEY, it is EASY to get riled up about SEVERAL things. Someone being upset at vicks success at such an OBSCENE life doesn't mean they are less upset with other things.

          GREEN eyed usually tries to make one think ENVYIOUS. WOW, you are SO envious of him that you think that ANYONE accusing him of any wrong is likewise envious? Care to bring in race, politics, and religion also? Frankly, I just hate the idea of such people spreading such obscenities. Race, religion, money, etc.... have NOTHING to do with it, though money does help to get on things like shows, and shows help spread it. How would HE react if someone treated HIM, like he treated those pit bulls?

          BTW I felt the SAME about the guys that beat reginald denny, or Derrion Albert. And I bet the people that did those things were POOR!

          So why did he go to BET!? Did they REALLY pay better than the other places, assuming the others wanted him?

          Steve

          I don't know what you're talking about?


          Me envious of him? I'm talking about other people.

          As far as I'm concerned forfeiting 110-135 million is payment enough.


          Envy is at the root of a lot of the flack regarding Vick - not all of it - but a lot of it.

          First there were cheers and outrage when he got busted, then he's playing again, now he's getting his own TV show.


          Perhaps BET & Vick feel they have a built in audience... ( yes, because he's Black and also because he had one of the hottest selling jerseys in the NFL )

          ...just like the Gay channel would have a built in audience for someone gay that may have gotten into trouble or the Lifetime channel would have a show about a famous woman that got into trouble.


          I remember the outrage when no one would allow O.J. Simpson to come on TV and state his case except BET.


          You said...

          BTW I felt the SAME about the guys that beat reginald denny, or Derrion Albert. And I bet the people that did those things were POOR!


          What does this have to do with the Vick situation????



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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            What does this have to do with the Vick situation????



            TL
            he's over caffinated, under sedated and arguing to hear his own voice. don't try to MAKE sense OF the way THE conversation goes.
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

              he's over caffinated, under sedated and arguing to hear his own voice. don't try to MAKE sense OF the way THE conversation goes.
              WOW, you REALLY need that foil hat! NOPE, I don't speak while I type! ALSO, outside of the TINIEST bit of chocolate flavoring, I have had NO caffiene!
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            I don't know what you're talking about?


            Me envious of him? I'm talking about other people.

            As far as I'm concerned forfeiting 110-135 million is payment enough.


            Envy is at the root of a lot of the flack regarding Vick - not all of it - but a lot of it.

            First there were cheers and outrage when he got busted, then he's playing again, now he's getting his own TV show.


            Perhaps BET & Vick feel they have a built in audience... ( yes, because he's Black and also because he had one of the hottest selling jerseys in the NFL )

            ...just like the Gay channel would have a built in audience for someone gay that may have gotten into trouble or the Lifetime channel would have a show about a famous woman that got into trouble.


            I remember the outrage when no one would allow O.J. Simpson to come on TV and state his case except BET.
            WELL, the people that did the OJ case made a TON of mistakes! I could understand the breakdowns by race. The thing that convinced ME he was guilty? AFTER he was acquitted, cochran had a SHOCKED look and hugged OJ like WOW, we pulled it off! Barry scheck, and the others, looked like they would THROW UP!!!!! They were SHOCKED, but NOT happy!

            BET should be FOR blacks, and perhaps BY blacks, but shouldn't let just ANYONE on. So what if a person is from the Ukraine, should they look for a ukrainian owned network?

            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            BTW I felt the SAME about the guys that beat reginald denny, or Derrion Albert. And I bet the people that did those things were POOR!


            What does this have to do with the Vick situation????
            YOU brought up envy, and I figured you meant INCOME!
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            • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              WELL, the people that did the OJ case made a TON of mistakes! I could understand the breakdowns by race. The thing that convinced ME he was guilty? AFTER he was acquitted, cochran had a SHOCKED look and hugged OJ like WOW, we pulled it off! Barry scheck, and the others, looked like they would THROW UP!!!!! They were SHOCKED, but NOT happy!

              BET should be FOR blacks, and perhaps BY blacks, but shouldn't let just ANYONE on. So what if a person is from the Ukraine, should they look for a ukrainian owned network?



              YOU brought up envy, and I figured you meant INCOME!

              The envy comes from this guy making big, big buckeroos and living (formerly) the glamorous life.



              Don't start with the OJ Simpson case. ( I know I mentioned it first )

              But don't start.

              TL


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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                The envy comes from this guy making big, big buckeroos and living (formerly) the glamorous life.
                What, you mean HORSES!?!?!? I mean you CAN'T mean money, given the way it progressed.

                HEY, did you ever let the HORSE go free, I mean REALLY!?!?!? I did! He showed me his STABLE! I LIKE the ability to rent the horse, and have OTHERS deal with the feeding and grooming.

                Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                Don't start with the OJ Simpson case. ( I know I mentioned it first )

                But don't start.
                YIKES, you mean we are on different sides THERE!? WOW!
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Considering BET was founded by someone that would do this, its no wonder he gets a show:
    BET Founder Mocks Deeds' Stuttering
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Considering BET is run by someone that would do this, its no wonder he gets a show:
      BET Founder Mocks Deeds' Stuttering


      Actually BET has been owned and run by Viacomm for about 5 years.

      There's no place for stuff like that.

      I remember when people made fun of Paul Tsongas and Perot's Vice Presidential candidate.

      Totally senseless.

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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Actually BET has been owned and run by Viacomm for about 5 years.

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        I miss stated and you missed the point.
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          I miss stated and you missed the point.
          Which was??

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            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            Which was??

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            Honestly? I think you know,and if you don't, no amount of explaining will suffice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    something tells me that while you may not audibly speak, there are multiple conversations happening in your head
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    the point is..


    a human having his life thrashed because of the opportunistic death of an entity that spends the biggest part of its waking day licking its own a$$ is a travesty.

    right sal?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      the point is..


      a human having his life thrashed because of the opportunistic death of an entity that spends the biggest part of its waking day licking its own a$$ is a travesty.

      right sal?
      If I were with peta, I would probably show them that picture of you, your cat, and the foil hats, and ask them to save your cat! MAN!!!!!

      Steve
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      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      the point is..


      a human having his life thrashed because of the opportunistic death of an entity that spends the biggest part of its waking day licking its own a$$ is a travesty.

      right sal?
      As far as I'm concerned it is the same thing as torturing a human.


      I'm not sure if you have ever had animals, ever seen one, or actually pet one, but they have feelings, pain, emotions, etc.


      They are sentient beings. It is the same as torturing a living human being. It is and was sick, and you have to be a very sick human being to torture anything.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by bozz723 View Post

        As far as I'm concerned it is the same thing as torturing a human.


        I'm not sure if you have ever had animals, ever seen one, or actually pet one, but they have feelings, pain, emotions, etc.


        They are sentient beings. It is the same as torturing a living human being. It is and was sick, and you have to be a very sick human being to torture anything.
        They are animals. I dont think they should be tortured, but i also dont think that they rank as high as humans. Sorry, but its just a dog and its only happy to see you because you're feeding it.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          They are animals. I dont think they should be tortured, but i also dont think that they rank as high as humans. Sorry, but its just a dog and its only happy to see you because you're feeding it.

          WOW! So dogs are JUST LIKE VICK! I mean VICK is only happy because he gets paid!

          So what did vick do when you mentioned he was just like the dogs? 8-)

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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            WOW! So dogs are JUST LIKE VICK! I mean VICK is only happy because he gets paid!

            So what did vick do when you mentioned he was just like the dogs? 8-)

            Steve
            Is that what passes for comedy in Rittalin land?
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

              Is that what passes for comedy in Rittalin land?
              You tell me! 8-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    they would never find the cats. i keep them in a secret cat fighting compound.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      they would never find the cats. i keep them in a secret cat fighting compound.
      I don't doubt that you are serious!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    It's a fact that most serial killers - killed animals first. Showing lack of empathy for an animal is providing a window to your psyche. I don't know why anyone would come into a public forum and announce that they may be somewhat deranged.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      It's a fact that most serial killers - killed animals first. Showing lack of empathy for an animal is providing a window to your psyche. I don't know why anyone would come into a public forum and announce that they may be somewhat deranged.
      I grew up on a farm, you dont show empathy for animals on a farm..why? because those animals feed big crybabies like yourself. Every sunday I watched sometimes 2 cows get shot in the head, throats slit, back legs cut and then they were hung by their tendons to drain before they were cut from a$$ to throat to remove their organs, skinned, drawn and quartered. I would then carry those quarters on my back to a waiting truck and then to a butcher. From the looks of your pic, i'm pretty sure you're not scared of a hamburger or a steak.

      Those that whine and cry about animal animal rights but still eat meat, wear leather, drink milk are hypocrites. So if killing an animal is a sign of a serial killer, what would you call someone that cuts them up, eats their meat, wears their skin, and lives off their biproducts?

      Glass houses my man.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

        I grew up on a farm, you dont show empathy for animals on a farm..why? because those animals feed big crybabies like yourself. Every sunday I watched sometimes 2 cows get shot in the head, throats slit, back legs cut and then they were hung by their tendons to drain before they were cut from a$$ to throat to remove their organs, skinned, drawn and quartered. I would then carry those quarters on my back to a waiting truck and then to a butcher. From the looks of your pic, i'm pretty sure you're not scared of a hamburger or a steak.

        Those that whine and cry about animal animal rights but still eat meat, wear leather, drink milk are hypocrites. So if killing an animal is a sign of a serial killer, what would you call someone that cuts them up, eats their meat, wears their skin, and lives off their biproducts?

        Glass houses my man.
        I didn't mention any names - I just put that out there to see who would claim it. Thanks for claiming it

        And by the way - I hunt, fish, and butcher my own food. There's a big difference between using animals for necessity and torturing them to death. It takes a much different mindset. I spent much of my life on a farm as well - and yes you can show empathy and have respect for even your animals on the farm. For one you don't torture them before you butcher them.

        I've butchered many animals in my life, but I'd never even think about torturing one. Like I said it takes a different mindset. And from some of your posts I think I'd probably seek out some medical attention if I were you. - Or at least take a chill pill.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          I didn't mention any names - I just put that out there to see who would claim it. Thanks for claiming it

          And by the way - I hunt, fish, and butcher my own food. There's a big difference between using animals for necessity and torturing them to death. It takes a much different mindset. I spent much of my life on a farm as well - and yes you can show empathy and have respect for even your animals on the farm. For one you don't torture them before you butcher them.

          I've butchered many animals in my life, but I'd never even think about torturing one. Like I said it takes a different mindset. And from some of your posts I think I'd probably seek out some medical attention if I were you. - Or at least take a chill pill.
          Really? You hunt and fish for necessity? So that is all you eat and there are no grocery stores around you?

          Let me guess, you're one of those 'noble hunters' that hunts with a rifle that has a range of a mile and scope that can see for 2?

          Nobody tortures animals on a farm...they are what pay the bills. You dont chase cattle..not because its mean, but because it makes the meat tough and they dont want to milk. You dont beat animals because it bruises the meat and you dont want to harm them because it costs money to get them back to healthy. Not torturing them isn't a matter of respect, its a matter of fiscal viability for the farm.
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          • Profile picture of the author garyv
            Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

            Really? You hunt and fish for necessity? So that is all you eat and there are no grocery stores around you?

            Let me guess, you're one of those 'noble hunters' that hunts with a rifle that has a range of a mile and scope that can see for 2?

            Nobody tortures animals on a farm...they are what pay the bills. You dont chase cattle..not because its mean, but because it makes the meat tough and they dont want to milk. You dont beat animals because it bruises the meat and you dont want to harm them because it costs money to get them back to healthy. Not torturing them isn't a matter of respect, its a matter of fiscal viability for the farm.

            Maybe for you it wasn't about respect (again a window into your mindset), but we had respect for our animals.

            However - this isn't about farm animals. We're talking about somehow being ok with the torture of dogs for pleasure. Can you see the difference???

            Farms = necessary
            dog fighting = not necessary
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      It's a fact that most serial killers - killed animals first. Showing lack of empathy for an animal is providing a window to your psyche. I don't know why anyone would come into a public forum and announce that they may be somewhat deranged.

      If you're referring to Mr. Motley or myself, my interpretation of the totality of our comments is that they are dogs not people.

      He said he's not into torturing animals and neither am I, but to put a dog on the same level as a person - that is a little much.

      And to misinterpret our remarks on this subject as the beginnings of our possible Hanibal Lecterdome is also a little much.

      In your opinion, what penalty should Mr. Vick pay for his crimes???

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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        If you're referring to Mr. Motley or myself, my interpretation of the totality of our comments is that they are dogs not people.

        He said he's not into torturing animals and neither am I, but to put a dog on the same level as a person - that is a little much.

        And to misinterpret our remarks on this subject as the beginnings of our possible Hanibal Lecterdome is also a little much.

        In your opinion, what penalty should Mr. Vick pay for his crimes???

        TL
        I don't put dogs on the same level as people either - if he were doing this to kids of course I'd be much more outraged than I am. However I still believe that his actions are that of someone w/ deranged thinking. And he should not be rewarded for it at all. Whatever action is taken against him should portray a message to others that torturing animals is not in the least ok.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    This is why **I** love America.

    Because any imbecile can make a post to get people riled up, then claim torturing animals is okay (after all, they are JUST animals), then proclaim everyone that eats meat or wears leather should be okay with pets being tortured - because that person obviously can't tell the difference between slaughtering an animal for food and torturing it for sociopathic reasons.

    In other words, even though I disagree, we allow the carzies to speak their mind, too.

    What a country.

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      This is why **I** love America.

      Because any imbecile can make a post to get people riled up, then claim torturing animals is okay (after all, they are JUST animals), then proclaim everyone that eats meat or wears leather should be okay with pets being tortured - because that person obviously can't tell the difference between slaughtering an animal for food and torturing it for sociopathic reasons.

      In other words, even though I disagree, we allow the carzies to speak their mind, too.

      What a country.

      All the best,
      Michael
      yeah, you're right. surely those animals just LOVE being skinned alive, drawn and quartered and eaten. I'm sure there's no pain involved at all in that, and most likely they look forward to it. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Donna Dueck
    Mr. Motley,

    Torturing an animal for pleasure and profit is wrong.

    Did you torture your farm animals before you killed them? Did you have fun doing it? Since when is torturing an animal to death acceptable human behaivor? It doesn't mater if the animal is a dog, cat, chicken or whatever all creatures should be treated with dignity and respect. We are suppose to be the intellegent beings on this planet, yeah right!!! No wonder the world is in the shape it is.

    By the way I have 4 dogs and if I had to choose between saving them and saving you....well I guess there would be one less jacka$$ in the world to think about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by Donna Dueck View Post

      Mr. Motley,

      Torturing an animal for pleasure and profit is wrong.

      Did you torture your farm animals before you killed them? Did you have fun doing it? Since when is torturing an animal to death acceptable human behaivor? It doesn't mater if the animal is a dog, cat, chicken or whatever all creatures should be treated with dignity and respect. We are suppose to be the intellegent beings on this planet, yeah right!!! No wonder the world is in the shape it is.

      By the way I have 4 dogs and if I had to choose between saving them and saving you....well I guess there would be one less jacka$$ in the world to think about.
      Miss Dueck. Sorry for your reading problem, apparently it issomething you have had for a while. In many previous posts in this thread i have stated that i do not condone torturing of animals. You are right, your dogs are probably much smarter than you. But thank you for your ignorant comment. Here's to hoping for a future rabies infested bite for you.

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

        Miss Dueck. Sorry for your reading problem, apparently it issomething you have had for a while. In many previous posts in this thread i have stated that i do not condone torturing of animals. You are right, your dogs are probably much smarter than you. But thank you for your ignorant comment. Here's to hoping for a future rabies infested bite for you.

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        That was uncalled for.

        But not unexpected. You often border on troll-like behavior and seem to relish in getting people worked up.

        I didn't click the red triangle, but my finger was twitching.

        I believe you owe her an apology.

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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

          That was uncalled for.

          But not unexpected. You often border on troll-like behavior and seem to relish in getting people worked up.

          I didn't click the red triangle, but my finger was twitching.

          I believe you owe her an apology.

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          I believe i dont care what you believe.

          I've stated my opinion on a subject and had every high horse riding dog owner call me all kinds of vile names because they dont agree with my opinion (mostly because they apparently have a reading comprehension problem) while i've just been going along with the conversation and I havent responded in kind. I've had my fill. Well, whats good for the goose...

          Its easy to understand, dont call me names, i wont call you names. This is something most people learn in elementary school.
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    Torturing animals is very disturbing, very, very!
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    I always loved America because the mayor of Washington D.C. could be videotaped smoking crack in a motel room with a prostitute, go to prison, get out... and be re-elected.

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      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      I always loved America because the mayor of Washington D.C. could be videotaped smoking crack in a motel room with a prostitute, go to prison, get out... and be re-elected.

      Marion Barry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      Its really unfair to single out Barry as almost every state has examples of such stupidity nowadays.
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        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        Its really unfair to single out Barry as almost every state has examples of such stupidity nowadays.
        Nobody's saying other politicians are saints.

        Of course it's fair to choose him. The difference is that Barry was caught on VIDEO - and then RE-ELECTED. Plus, his case garnered the national spotlight, so it's more recognizeable than other local politicians who have found themselves in hot water.

        You could make the same argument about ANYBODY that we are going to use as an EXAMPLE. So, we either have to list everybody (to not single them out) or list nobody.

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        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        Its really unfair to single out Barry as almost every state has examples of such stupidity nowadays.
        Yeah, but they're not our nation's capital.

        It's not that a mayor went to prison and got re-elected. It's that it was the mayor of Washington D.C.

        It was almost as good as the rapper Just Ice, whose alibi for the day he was accused of committing a murder was... that he was in his hotel room watching Thundercats.

        I mean, it has to be true, right? Surely if he were going to tell a lie, it would have been cool, like "I was getting laid!" or something like that. But no! This big, burly gangster was watching cartoons. If I'd been the D.A., I would have dropped the case right there.
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          Today's news is even better - with the chairmen of the committee setting tax codes accused of tax evasion for multiple counts....and his DC friends backing him all the way. What an incestuous group those insiders are!

          screaming for his head over fighting a breed of dog that most everyone agrees is the spawn of satan, and now he's getting his own show
          He wasn't in trouble as much for dog fighting (which is stupid, cruel and ugly to begin with) - he is despised for his treatment of the animals who were in his care.

          He is hated for killing dogs with extreme cruelty - and for killing them at all.


          Everyone does NOT agree the breed is a "spawn of satan". I have a pit bull who is the gentlest, sweetest dog you can imagine. Pit bulls were at one time the favorite breed for family pets in the US. Helen Keller's dog was a pit bull - the Little Rascals dog in the old TV series was a pit bull.

          What is really interesting about the MV case is that all but three of the dogs at his compound were salvaged and re-homed.

          The dogs from Vic were put in isolation for four months with no human contact except having food and water shoved into their kennels. When they were released by the court the behavioral tests surprised even the experts. Two dogs were put to sleep due to massive health problems - only ONE dog was vicious and was put down for that. ALL of the rest were friendly and pass behavior tests easily. Most of Vic's dog are living with families now - and a few went to a rescue ranch.

          Not many people totally isolated alone for four months after being treated cruelly their entire life - would come out with the positive attitude these pit bulls had.


          The reputation of "vicious" was caused by people fighting the dogs and breeding to bring out the worst characteristics.
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    That post was suppose to be humerous,not serious.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I don't doubt that pit bulls can be loving, but...

    If they do turn, due to their massive strength, they can kill.

    So, their reputation doesn't stem, solely, from the way some people breed them. It also comes from the fact that they are strong enough to kill.

    If a pekingnese, dachshund, or chihuahua attack, it's very unlikey (barring rabies or infection) that they could kill.

    I have nothing against pit bulls, just trying to show it's not as simple as how they're raised.

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      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      I don't doubt that pit bulls can be loving, but...

      If they do turn, due to their massive strength, they can kill.

      So, their reputation doesn't stem, solely, from the way some people breed them. It also comes from the fact that they are strong enough to kill.

      If a pekingnese, dachshund, or chihuahua attack, it's very unlikey (barring rabies or infection) that they could kill.

      I have nothing against pit bulls, just trying to show it's not as simple as how they're raised.

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      How they are bred is another factor. Did you realize that rottweilers bred in Germany don't have a reputation for being aggressive?

      And there's 3 or 4 breeds of terrier that are considered pit bulls. The English Bull Terrier (Spuds McKenzie from the old Bud commercials) has had almost all the aggression bred out of it, especially in the UK.

      It's really people (mostly Americans) breeding for aggression that is the major problem.
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post


        It's really people (mostly Americans) breeding for aggression that is the major problem.
        This is true.

        Also puppy mills are responsible for messed up animals. You get puppy mills that get one female and breed her, then breed her again with her own litter, on and on, inbreeding the bloodline. If in breeding makes retarded humans, why would anyone think that the outcome would be different in a caninen bloodline. With retarded, violent dogs created by inbreedin they are unpredictable.

        But a 'cleanly' bred dog is just a dog. Whether the dog is violent or not is going to be up to how its raised.

        I knew a guy one time that had a garage with very expensive harleys in it. probably somewhere close to a million or so in bikes at any given time. He had a rottweiller in there that was his 'guard'. He fed the dog a constant diet of hamburger with gunpowder mixed in. Dogs can't digest gunpowder but it will irritate the hell out of their bowels and generally make them pretty mean because they are always in pain.

        That dog was so uncontrollable that the only way this guy could get into the motorcycles was to have 3-4 guys go in with a tarp to capture the dog or it would tear everyone up. But even with it being that violent it NEVER bit his young son (about 3 or so at the time.) the kid wandered out into the garage (idiot didnt lock the door) and everyone watched in horror thinking the dog would eat this kid alive, but it didnt. It let the kid pet him, laid down so that the boy could lay on top of him. But if an adult came in, it would snap back to its old self. He finally had to put the dog down because it was damn near eating its way through the garage door to get into the house.
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          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          This is true.

          Also puppy mills are responsible for messed up animals. You get puppy mills that get one female and breed her, then breed her again with her own litter, on and on, inbreeding the bloodline. If in breeding makes retarded humans, why would anyone think that the outcome would be different in a caninen bloodline. With retarded, violent dogs created by inbreedin they are unpredictable.

          But a 'cleanly' bred dog is just a dog. Whether the dog is violent or not is going to be up to how its raised.

          I knew a guy one time that had a garage with very expensive harleys in it. probably somewhere close to a million or so in bikes at any given time. He had a rottweiller in there that was his 'guard'. He fed the dog a constant diet of hamburger with gunpowder mixed in. Dogs can't digest gunpowder but it will irritate the hell out of their bowels and generally make them pretty mean because they are always in pain.

          That dog was so uncontrollable that the only way this guy could get into the motorcycles was to have 3-4 guys go in with a tarp to capture the dog or it would tear everyone up. But even with it being that violent it NEVER bit his young son (about 3 or so at the time.) the kid wandered out into the garage (idiot didnt lock the door) and everyone watched in horror thinking the dog would eat this kid alive, but it didnt. It let the kid pet him, laid down so that the boy could lay on top of him. But if an adult came in, it would snap back to its old self. He finally had to put the dog down because it was damn near eating its way through the garage door to get into the house.
          I never said aggression was limited to breeding. My point was that due to proper breeding, Rotties and English Bull Terriers are no more likely to be aggressive than any other breed.

          Aggression can also come from:
          - lack of discipline
          - poor socialization with other dogs and humans
          - fear
          - pain
          - starvation
          - being mishandled
          - Being tormented
          - probably one or two more that I've forgotten

          Your example of the rotty is another case of pure torture. There's no excuse for what that "person" did.

          Who wants a dog that's been driven insane to protect their family and business any way? What an idiot.

          The "person" has a million dollars in bikes, but can't afford to buy and take care of a well-trained shutzhund rotty? They cost about $6,000 to 10,000 and will do a far better job at protecting than some poor dog that's been tortured into being mean.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            I never said aggression was limited to breeding. My point was that due to proper breeding, Rotties and English Bull Terriers are no more likely to be aggressive than any other breed.

            Aggression can also come from:
            - lack of discipline
            - poor socialization with other dogs and humans
            - fear
            - pain
            - starvation
            - being mishandled
            - Being tormented
            - probably one or two more that I've forgotten

            Your example of the rotty is another case of pure torture. There's no excuse for what that "person" did.

            Who wants a dog that's been driven insane to protect their family and business any way? What an idiot.

            The "person" has a million dollars in bikes, but can't afford to buy and take care of a well-trained shutzhund rotty? They cost about $6,000 to 10,000 and will do a far better job at protecting than some poor dog that's been tortured into being mean.
            well...none of the bikes were ever stolen...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I re-read the posts.

    You're right, someone did say they wished dogs would tear you to ****. Sorry, but that's not right either. In fact, I think that member has some SERIOUS anger issues. They have said people should be shot in the forehead, and they often get VERY upset and respond with pure vitriol.

    However, even though you would be right to be upset by that comment, I think you are misdirecting your anger.

    I retract part of my first comment in this thread. I now see where you said you are AGAINST torture.

    I stand behind my suggestion that you apologize (just a suggestion), and think about who really needs to be called out.

    I also stand behind the claim that you have made many comments that border on being troll-like, not quite there, but close.

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  • Profile picture of the author Donna Dueck
    Mr Motley

    I did re-read the posts, and I apologize, you did say you don't condon the torture of animals.

    Oh and by the way it's Mrs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by Donna Dueck View Post

      Mr Motley

      I did re-read the posts, and I apologize, you did say you don't condon the torture of animals.

      Oh and by the way it's Mrs.
      Mrs. Dueck, apology accepted. Sorry for my pre-coffee response.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    Noted.

    I stand behind my statement of not caring what you believe i need to do.

    You see one poster, I see two. this just happened to be the morning that i havent had my coffee before i opened up warrior forum, so i'm a little low on patience and forgiveness, and honestly that was the edited version, the first draft was quite a bit more rough.


    I dont consider my posts troll like, I'm just not one for sugar coating things, sorry if that offends your delicate senses.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Michael - You bet I've got issues with this person.

    I don't believe in pressing that button or he'd have around 15 infractions from me alone. But - I understand that you can't change someone's thinking by censoring them. I would like to know who thinks what so I know who to avoid completely. Thus far after witnessing some of the most insulting comments about women, etc. I have decided that this person is someone to be avoided.

    As far as my comment about dogs tearing him to **** - look at the context then figure it out. The guy said he doesn't condon torture then turns around and says its not a big deal, they are just dogs. ? Someone that is on the receiving end of a vicious dog might not learn to like em, but they would sure learn how wrong it is to abuse an animal.

    As far as my comments about bullet through the head. That's the way I feel - I think that anyone caught torturing ANYTHING should just be shot whether it is animal or human that they are working on. So infract me - censor me into silence. I'll let this dude rant his feelings on how nothing matters that isn't being convenient to him all he wants. If he wants to reveal his psychosis to the world, let him do it - at least people won't continue to mingle with him unwittingly. I for one don't have any further wish to listen to it. It makes me ill. If someone wants to avoid doing business with me for it, fine and dandy they probably aren't the types that I would consider working with anyway and I like to know that ahead of time before it's too late.

    You've seen me disagree strongly with people before. You have disagreed with me before -- I've never wished you off the face of the planet for it though, now have I?
    I don't feel you are either dangerous or degrading - I do see a bit of egocentricism, but not much more than I myself am guilty of. There comes a point, though, at which someone finally becomes enough of a troll to warrent a thorough thrashing and I had just had enough at this point.

    You will not see me EVER respond to a comment this person makes again. I've read all of the insulting and enraging crap I wanna read and have said all I have to say to that walking egocentric testostorine fest. So just consider that my final alternative to just repeatedly hitting the infraction button and starting infraction wars when completely and finally so disgusted I can't take anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      You will not see me EVER respond to a comment this person makes again.
      then get the hell out of the thread and go dig some rocks.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Michael - You bet I've got issues with this person.

      I don't believe in pressing that button or he'd have around 15 infractions from me alone. But - I understand that you can't change someone's thinking by censoring them. I would like to know who thinks what so I know who to avoid completely. Thus far after witnessing some of the most insulting comments about women, etc. I have decided that this person is someone to be avoided.

      As far as my comment about dogs tearing him to **** - look at the context then figure it out. The guy said he doesn't condon torture then turns around and says its not a big deal, they are just dogs. ? Someone that is on the receiving end of a vicious dog might not learn to like em, but they would sure learn how wrong it is to abuse an animal.

      As far as my comments about bullet through the head. That's the way I feel - I think that anyone caught torturing ANYTHING should just be shot whether it is animal or human that they are working on. So infract me - censor me into silence. I'll let this dude rant his feelings on how nothing matters that isn't being convenient to him all he wants. If he wants to reveal his psychosis to the world, let him do it - at least people won't continue to mingle with him unwittingly. I for one don't have any further wish to listen to it. It makes me ill. If someone wants to avoid doing business with me for it, fine and dandy they probably aren't the types that I would consider working with anyway and I like to know that ahead of time before it's too late.

      You've seen me disagree strongly with people before. You have disagreed with me before -- I've never wished you off the face of the planet for it though, now have I?
      I don't feel you are either dangerous or degrading - I do see a bit of egocentricism, but not much more than I myself am guilty of. There comes a point, though, at which someone finally becomes enough of a troll to warrent a thorough thrashing and I had just had enough at this point.

      You will not see me EVER respond to a comment this person makes again. I've read all of the insulting and enraging crap I wanna read and have said all I have to say to that walking egocentric testostorine fest. So just consider that my final alternative to just repeatedly hitting the infraction button and starting infraction wars when completely and finally so disgusted I can't take anymore.
      I believe the problem will be taken care of by the individuals own mouth.
      Some seem to forget when you are a guest you are expected to abide by the hosts rules.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Michael - You bet I've got issues with this person.

      I don't believe in pressing that button or he'd have around 15 infractions from me alone. But - I understand that you can't change someone's thinking by censoring them. I would like to know who thinks what so I know who to avoid completely. Thus far after witnessing some of the most insulting comments about women, etc. I have decided that this person is someone to be avoided.
      Yep, I now only click the red triangle for spam. And you're right, you can't change their mind by censorship (if at all). Plus, by censoring them, the dialogue stops.

      As far as my comment about dogs tearing him to **** - look at the context then figure it out. The guy said he doesn't condon torture then turns around and says its not a big deal, they are just dogs. ? Someone that is on the receiving end of a vicious dog might not learn to like em, but they would sure learn how wrong it is to abuse an animal.
      It IS wrong to abuse an animal. I wish I could remember the other thread, but sometimes the threats of shooting people on sight is a bit much - even if it's just to prove a point. HOWEVER, I'm not trying to silence you. I haven't reported you, nor do I plan to.

      As far as my comments about bullet through the head. That's the way I feel - I think that anyone caught torturing ANYTHING should just be shot whether it is animal or human that they are working on. So infract me - censor me into silence. I'll let this dude rant his feelings on how nothing matters that isn't being convenient to him all he wants. If he wants to reveal his psychosis to the world, let him do it - at least people won't continue to mingle with him unwittingly. I for one don't have any further wish to listen to it. It makes me ill. If someone wants to avoid doing business with me for it, fine and dandy they probably aren't the types that I would consider working with anyway and I like to know that ahead of time before it's too late.
      You're right, except for my desire to censor you. That's not what I'm about. I do think you may have some anger issues, I may too. I could also be completely wrong. It's just that I've seen you threaten to pull the trigger on more than one ocassion - if that isn't silencing people, what is? If you see what I'm trying to get at.

      In other words, you won't convince through censorship, you certainly won't gain any ground through violence.

      No worries, I'm not holding anything you say against you. If there were an opportunity to do business with you, I would have no problem doing so.

      You've seen me disagree strongly with people before. You have disagreed with me before -- I've never wished you off the face of the planet for it though, now have I?
      Excellent point! I know we don't agree on everything, but I've never seen you take it to that level. Besides, I like our point/counterpoint discussions - every now and then I learn something.

      I don't feel you are either dangerous or degrading - I do see a bit of egocentricism, but not much more than I myself am guilty of. There comes a point, though, at which someone finally becomes enough of a troll to warrent a thorough thrashing and I had just had enough at this point.
      We were once playing a family game at Christmas. And my sister-in-law pointed at me to get people to guess a word. They got it almost immediately - the word was "ego". As big as my ego is, it can still get bigger.

      Also, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who sees troll-like tendencies.

      You will not see me EVER respond to a comment this person makes again. I've read all of the insulting and enraging crap I wanna read and have said all I have to say to that walking egocentric testostorine fest. So just consider that my final alternative to just repeatedly hitting the infraction button and starting infraction wars when completely and finally so disgusted I can't take anymore.
      The ignore button is a good option.

      One little quibble, if I may...

      You're not saying MY egocentrism is the same as his, are you? It may have the same label, but it's surely of a different variety...I hope.

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    As Michael O pointed out, two wrongs don't make a right. But I'm not in this fight, I already posted about Vick and BET and the dog fighting and I hope you folks can calm down and talk sensibly again.
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    Oh im calm..until people start wishing death and dismemberment on me. For some reason that irritates me a bit..call me crazy..
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    There is a feature on this board where you can ignore people. Which means you won't even SEE their posts.

    Works wonders. I have ignored only one person, but it's been peaceful for me ever since

    There's another solutions too:

    Just don't let comments bother you.

    It's simple really. I live by this mantra: "Insults only come from those you love. The rest don't matter".

    My mother told me that when I was 12 and it's helped me a lot through the years.
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    One problem with the ignore button, if someone else quotes that person, then you will still see their comments. But it's probably still a good option in many cases.
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    Yeah, there's no perfect solution. But it did work for me when I needed it.
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      Originally Posted by w3bmaster View Post

      America = stupidity ...
      Romainia = Stupidity


      Is my statement any more fair than yours?
      Instead of a very inaccurate broad statement, maybe you should post something more accurate?
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