2012 Galactic Alignment

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This was in the Non-Nonsense thread but as everyone is stuck in the 'political' groove and no longer interested in discussing the bigger picture, there was some important stuff buried in there. To ensure it gets seen I'm putting the info on a new thread.

The Photon Belt has turned up! Also 8 years ago science discovered "supermassive blackholes" at the centre of all active galaxies. And the highest energy photons ever discovered in the Galaxy - 3.5 trillion electron volts - are streaming along the galactic equator. That's a "photon belt" by any definition.

NYU > The Office of Public Affairs > Physicists Find Evidence for Highest Energy Photons Ever Detected From Milky Way's Equator
BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon - Supermassive Black Holes

As many of you know, The Precession Of The Equinoxes occurs on 21st December 2012. It happens roughly every 26,000 years and is not up for dispute. It is a fact that we will be at the dead centre of the Galactic Equator then. Coincidentally there are numerous prophecies around the world for this date, not least the Mayan Calendar. It is also a fact that there is a huge Solar Maximum scheduled for that date. There has never been a society dependant on electronics that has been around when such a huge Solar Maximum takes place. It will not be a good day for us.

New Agers have been adamant for years that Earth will pass through a Photon Belt on this day, and having been bathed in this Light will experience a "cleansing" of the Earth and spiritual transformation. Everyone was quoting from the same magazine article and I could never find independant verification. The "journalist" didn't appear to exist either. Now I'm wondering whether it was deliberately 'seeded' to convince people to view it in a certain way. To listen to the New Agers, you'd think it was fairy dust coming to spread the luuurve. Oh, it'll cleanse the Earth alright, but these are GAMMA RAYS so they'll fry us if they get through the Heliopause which protects our Solar System.

Dr Paul LaVoilletes work - which is being vindicated - suggests this is likely, and will set off a "Superwave". As it's a cyclical event it will happen at some point. It may not happen now, but given the definites of the alignment and Solar Maximum, it is not illogical to see that it could also occur on this very day. All the pieces will be in place. It has recently been noted that the heliopause is letting in 3x as much Cosmic dust as it did at the last Solar Maximum in 2001 (a baby one compared with the next one).

Nobody knows why.

Here's a simplistic description of the planetary 'barycenters' and why they'll be disrupted on that date, and what exactly happens when we align with the ecliptic. (I'd also suggest you read page 2 because not only does it bring in LaVoillettes work and the heliopause, but it has some very startling cave drawings which match recent lab experiments, even to the '56 rays' streaming from the poles.)

The duel between Jupiter and Saturn is particularly intriguing as they equate in mythology to "God" and "Satan" - so metaphorically God and Satan - or Good and Evil - are battling. Not too different from what's going on down here. ;-)

"As above, so below"

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It's all about the Sun

It's ironic (or maybe not) that the Mayan Calendar is often called the "sun stone." While the calendar does have "solar" days, acknowledging the 365 days it takes for Earth to rotate around the Sun, it is also true that the Sun plays a key role in the final day of the "long count." To understand what will happen to the Sun on December 21, 2012, we need to review some scientific terms like "ecliptic," "barycenter," and "sunspots." These are important in the discussion that follows. We'll start with the most difficult one first.

Terms we will encounter...
What is the Barycenter?

You've no doubt heard that Earth revolves around the sun. Well, actually, that's not quite true!

Have you heard the term "center of gravity"? It's a technical-sounding term for something pretty simple. It's the exact center of all the material (that is, mass) that makes up the object. For example, if you have a straight stick, like a ruler or yardstick, there's a place at the middle where you can balance it on your finger. That's its center of gravity.



But the center of gravity may or may not be the point that is exactly in the middle, distance-wise, of the object. Some parts of the object may be heavier (denser) than others. If you have something like a sledge hammer that is heavier on one end than the other, the center of gravity will be much closer to the heavy end than the lighter end.


To get an idea of where the center of gravity is, rest the ends of any object like the ruler or a pencil on one finger from each hand. Slowly move your fingers together without dropping the object. Your fingers will meet underneath the object's center of gravity. You can balance the object on one finger at that special place.
The actual center of gravity could be close to the surface or deep inside, depending on whether the object is flat like a ruler or a dinner plate, or "three-dimensional," like a box or a ball. And if you let the object spin (like when you throw it), it will try to spin about that point.

In the case of the Earth and the sun, both bodies actually revolve, or spin, around the very center of the mass (similar to center of gravity) between them. This point is called the "barycenter." Earth and the sun are "connected" by the gravity pulling them together. It's just like the light end and heavy end of the sledge hammer. Compared to the size of the sun, Earth is about like a flea on a cat! So the center of mass between the Earth and the sun is almost--but not quite--the very center of the sun.

In the case of a planet the size of Jupiter, which is 318 times as massive as Earth, the barycenter of Jupiter and the sun is a bit further from the sun's center. So, as Jupiter revolves around the sun, the sun itself is actually revolving around this slightly off-center point, located just outside its center. Thus, a planet the size of Jupiter will make the sun (or any star) appear to wobble a tiny bit. This picture shows you that the center of mass and barycenter can be slightly different points. It isn't meant to be very accurate!
We can take advantage of this bit of knowledge and look for large planets in other solar systems by learning to detect this type of tiny wobble in the star's position.


For now, let's forget all the small planets and focus on Jupiter. It makes one complete trip around the Sun every 11.861773 years. There's a new theory put forth by Dr. Rollin Gillespie which shows that Jupiter, and to a smaller degree the other less massive planets, may trigger the 11 year cycle of sunspots and solar flares.
Here's how it works.
The barycenter is not a single point in the Sun. Because the Sun is a rotating gaseous sphere, the barycenter forms a vertical, cylindrical "sleeve" that is partially inside and outside the main solar body. All of the planets have such a "sleeve," one inside the other, depending on their relative mass and the location of their barycenters. The particular sleeve representing the mass of Jupiter intersects the solar surface at 35.9 degrees North and South. This is precisely where sunspot and flare activity begin and end during each 11 year cycle.

The new cycle has already begun with the recent observation of a solar spot with reverse polarity. But some surprising activity on March 27, 2008, shows some huge eruptions with M-class radiation at about the equatorial region of the Sun. [ See Solar Map]. These surprising eruptions suggests a barycenter of disturbance from an object even more massive than Jupiter, placing the "sleeve" outside the Sun. Could this be the beginning of the Galaxy's effects (keep reading to learn more about this) on our Sun?

Scientists have noted that when Jupiter and Saturn are aligned on the same side of the Sun, the solar activity is at its minimum; when they are on opposite sides of the Sun the solar activity is at its maximum. The positions on December 21, 2012 are ideal for extreme solar activity.



Above: Position of Jupiter and Saturn on 12/21/2012.
These cylinders are usually quite orderly because the planets adhere to a narrow plane, called the ecliptic which resembles a thin plate extending from the equator of the Sun. The planets hang out here because (in simple terms) this is the zone where the gravitation of the system is the strongest. (see below)



The planets orbit the Sun in a narrow plane called the ecliptic.

But nature is never perfect. The Sun rotates at a slight angle (7.25 degrees), much as our Earth does. As it wobbles, it tilts the sleeves, causing them to clash with eachother and eventually disrupt the surface. Havine the barycenters of the to most massive planets, Jupiter and Saturn, in maximum misalignment is especially disruptive. This disturbance, to put it simply, works its way to the surface and erupts in sun spots and solar flares or CME's (Coronal Mass Ejections).


The last solar cycle was at its maximum in 2001. Each active solar cycle has a period when the flares are strongest, usually happening near the solar equator, called the "solar maximum." This is significant because the next "solar maximum" event will coincide with December 21, 2012. But wait -- there's much more!

Solar flares are pieces of the sun which leap into space, discharging radiation and strong electrical currents that travel outward into space. They often fall back to the surface of the Sun. Sometimes, a very strong flare, called a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME), actually leaves the Sun and this deadly mass shoots out from the Sun towards the planets like a bullet. Usually these CME's don't hit anything but occasionally they hit a planet like Earth. Some believe a powerful CME once hit Mars.

Most solar flares are small. But even a small flare can be dangerous. In 1989 a flare hit the North American continent and fried electric lines, zapped power grids in the US and Canada, and created large power backouts. Flares can also effect our moods and physical health. In theory, a large flare impacting the Earth could zap the ionosphere (there goes all the satellites, cellphones, GPS...) and irradiate the surface, killing every living organism that it touched.

Solar flares and sun spots have an average cycle of 11.120412 years (estimated from one "solar maximum" to the next). Right now, 2007, we are in a relatively quiet part of the cycle. The small discrepancy between this figure and the 11.861773 year period of Jupiter is close enough to be significant but suggests that something else is also influencing solar disturbances. Sure, it could be attributed to the various positions of the other less massive planets, but it could also be something even more significant -- the Milky Way.



The Galactic Alignment of December 21, 2012

The Perfect Storm
Our solar system is part of a huge disc shaped collection of stars and planets called the Milky Way. We're located somewhere on the edge of the disc, slightly on top of the narrow disc. But very soon we'll be moving to the bottom of the disc. This change, from top to bottom, begins on December 21, 2012.

Yes, that's right. On the same day when our Sun is at it's solar maximum, something will happen that's never happened before -- the ecliptic of our solar system will intersect with the Galactic plane, called the "Galactic Equator" of the Milky Way! [see star chart].
If you imagine our solar system as a bunch of peas on a plate, with a huge meatball in the center, imagine the Milky Way as a city-size pizza with the "Guiness World Book Record Meatball" in its center!

Prior to December 2012 we have been drifting on the top of the pizza, never really able to see the bottom. The plate and pizza are not parallel. They are moving at different angles. We've been drifting down, down, down... and on December 21st, 2012, we will be exactly level with the crust -- forming an "x" at the Galactic Equator where galactic gravity is the strongest. After 2012, if we are still here, we will be passing through the bottom zone, viewing the Milky Way pizza from the South.
Yes, there's even more!

By some amazing coincidence, not only will we be intersecting with the Galactic Equator, but we will be doing this precisely aligned with the center of the Galaxy where there is maximum mass! More mass means more gravity. More gravity means more influence from those barycenters in our Sun. That means exponential increases in solar disruptions -- all coinciding on the same day! Whew!


[Above: The Hercules Cluster of galaxies. This group of galaxies is held together by the gravitational attraction or "pull" of each individual galaxy on the others in the group. This demonstrates the enormous gravity contained in a galaxy, such as our own Milky Way.]

An apology and acknowledgement

OK. This has been a "light weight" description of what's going to happen. It has been simplified to the point where some scholars and scientists could argue about my presentation. But the main facts are true. The date, December 21, 2012, is a special day. It represents the maximum possible influences for solar flares that the universe can provide. Undoubtedly the Mayans, or the civilization that influenced them, somehow knew about these things.

Over the last decade, I have written a variety of stories about such things as underground cities and government actions that could only make sense if there were no future. I cannot help but think that maybe they, like the Mayans, know about these things. I'd specifically like to suggest that readers take another look at the underground complex at Yamantau that the Russians are building. Could this be a haven for surviving a solar blast? And the "doomsday seed bank" that's being filled deep inside an Arctic island. And what about past events? Did the Hopi go underground to survive a similar event thousands of years earlier? Should we be going underground also?

It's also important to stress that December 21, 2012 is only the "solar maximum" but that the gravitational effects of the Galaxy have already started to assert their influence on the Sun. The drift towards alignment with the galactic equator is relatively slow and, in truth, has already started. But the precise culmination of this, plus the alignment of Jupiter and Saturn all make 12/21/12 an onimous date.

I especially want to thank Dr. Rollin Gillespie, a man with whom I corresponded for ten years and who first developed the idea that planetary multi-body systems could be at play in the causation of solar flares. More of his work can be read on a special page on Viewzone.
Please let's have your input on this important issue. It's only six years away. Who knows, perhaps the influences of these disruptions will begin well before the solar and Galactic maximum is reached. We may not have that much time left. Here are some additional links to stories that may help understand the possibilities facing our planet and us.


Part 2 - The Previous Doomsday of 12,950 BC: what was it like?
Here are some other articles on this subject that you will find very interesting:
We're Not From Milky Way Galaxy - evidence our system is part of a dwarf galaxy that is being "eaten" by the Milky Way.
Will the Mayan Prophecy Really Happen? - an interesting view from Gene Matlock. Sidereal Time and ESP -- exploring the psychic connection of our Galaxy's center.

*complete article: Doomsday in 2012?: Viewzone
  • Profile picture of the author Phnx
    I love this, it is so cool....

    From a Hopi Elder as told to Dr Robert Ghost Wolf:

    "The Purifier will appear as the Red Kachina, maybe that means it will appear red in the telescopes that the scientists use. It will remain in place for a long time. Like an eye watching us. That is when Saquasohuh, the one that is called the Blue Star Kachina will also return."

    And look what the Hubble came across in 1996.





    It's also a spooky match for the Vesica Pisces, a very profound symbol known to most cultures:

    **"The Vesica Pisces is easily one of the most profound geometrical images of ancient and modern times. (5/31/05) It is, for example, considered to be an integral part of the Ark of the Covenant, as described and shown figuratively by ka-gold's version of the Vesica Pisces. The latter article, in fact, ties in rather nicely with the so-called Hourglass Nebula described at the end of this Halexandrian webpage.

    Essentially the intersection of two, overlapping spheres, the Vesica Pisces (including the interior portion of it, and/or the more common two dimensional version) represents, among other things:

    1) The joining of God and Goddess to create an offspring,
    2) A symbol for Jesus Christ,
    3) In art a pointed oval used as an aureole in medieval sculpture and painting,
    4) The vagina of the female goddess,
    5) The basic motif in the Flower of Life,
    6) An overlay of the Tree of Life,
    7) The formative power of polygons,
    8) A geometrical description of square roots and harmonic proportions, and/or
    7) A source of immense power and energy, .....

    *Full Article: Vesica Pisces
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    • Profile picture of the author bugrac
      I must say this is not what I came to expect in the Warrior Forum!
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      • Profile picture of the author Phnx
        Well, it is the Off Topic Forum where we can talk about anything we want.

        You don't have to read it, just ignore the thread.
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          I know

          It wasn't a critisism, more a pleasant surprise.
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            Oh, that's okay then. I was being defensive!

            I've just had the usual reaction in another forum, and I swear if anyone brings up "remember what happened with the Y2K thing huh" my head will explode!
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              The Sun never aligns with the Galactic Center itself, because the Sun's path through the heavens, as seen from Earth (the Ecliptic) lies more than 5° above the Galactic Center. In fact there is an alignment between the Sun and the Galactic Equator at the time of Winter Solstice, but it has already happened. It happened back in December 21 1997.

              The Sun's movement through space, as seen from our view point here on Earth, passes across the Galactic Equator once a year. So from our viewpoint this alignment happens every year. The only thing that's different about the 1997 coincidence of the Sun - as seen from Earth - and the Galactic Equator is that it happened at a particular time, the time of the Winter Solstice.

              So the good news is if you were in any way worried about what might astrologically happen in 2012, don't worry: it already happened back in 1997.
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              • Profile picture of the author Phnx
                Paul, we're not talking about the alignment of the Sun, we are talking about the alignment of the entire Solar System.

                Actually, we'll just go back and forth on this (just done it to the point of exhaustion elsewhere) so we'll ignore the Equinox, ignore the Mayan Calendar and the prophecies, let's even ignore LaVoilette and the gamma rays/photon belt, and just focus on an absolutely unarguable known fact for that date.

                The Solar Maximum in 2012.

                You think that's also nothing to worry about?
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                • Profile picture of the author myob
                  I am trembling with dread.
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                    It is all going to end when the planets line up and created magnetic forces that would bring global destruction and catastrophe to the earth. Scientists are forecasting that soon our solar system will experience some unique and sobering events. This forecast concerning apocalyptic destruction comes from the scientific investigations of astronomers and is in no way related to astrology and fortune telling. Reputable scientists are pointing out that there will take place an event unique in our solar system. At one time all nine planets will be on the same side of the sun. That happens once every 250,000 years, but this time the nine planets will not only be on the same side of the sun, but in perfect alignment. Just as the moon affects earth tides by its gravitational pull, so do the planets affect each other, and particularly Jupiter, because of its great size. This has been linked to the earthquake frequency on our planet earth. What will happen when all the planets come into one line and exert a united gravitational pull on our earth? Scientists speak of eight probable effects: 1) A disturbed magnetic activity in the sun, producing huge firestorms; 2) That the ionosphere of earth will be changed; 3) That radio and television communications will be disrupted; 4) That there will be weird lighting effects from aurora borealis; 5) There will be vast changes in wind patterns; 6) Rainfall and temperature patterns will change; 7) Earth's rotation, and the length of the days may change; 8) Many earthquakes will occur. "There will be many earthquakes, large and small...

                    The date: 1982 and it was called "The Jupiter Effect"

                    Other dates for the predictions of the end of the World:
                    44, 53, 80, 100, 200, 130, 381, 400, 435, 470, 500, 950, 964, 965, 968, 969, 979, 980, 983, 984, 989, 1000, 1002, 1003, 1004, 1005, 1006, 1010, 1012, 1014, 1018, 1022, 1025, 1026, 1027, 1028, 1029, 1032, 1033,1036, 1046, 1114, 1135, 1186, 1202, 1415, 1420, 1524, 1525, 1526, 1533, 1534, 1572, 1621, 1650, 1656, 1660, 1666, 1715, 1809, 1814, 1836, 1843, 1844, 1859, 1874, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1960, 1967, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2007, 2010, 2012, 2016, 2047, 2034, soon ...

                    Keep prediciting. Some day you might be absolutely right - in a few billion more years.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Tiger
                      This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius....remember the song ???

                      The planets lined up in the 1960's and of course that was when earthquakes started multiplying ( if I remember right, so dont quote me on that ).


                      If the galaxy lines up next, well, perhaps it will mean all hell breaks loose.
                      Just ... perhaps. Apophis gets here in 2029 on Friday the 13th. Muahhhahaha.


                      If Apophis does strike the Earth it would land in the Atlantic with a force equivalent to 98,000 Hiroshima bombs.


                      That sure beats watching the Olympics eh ?

                      /Steve
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                    • Profile picture of the author Phnx
                      @myob: Very good!

                      You're forgetting the 2000 discovery of the 'supermassive blackholes' and the recent discoveries of all the gamma rays. This changed everything. Now even if you give no mind to LaVoilettes work, it is not a good sign that cosmic dust has increased within the heliopause 3x since 2001.

                      All their assumptions about gamma ray bursts were overturned as recently as 1997

                      ***"A review of other bursts showed that their assumptions had been wrong. All of the gamma ray bursts they were observing were from other galaxies far, far away. The amount of energy coming from objects so distant was a real shock. No one had ever imagined such powerful bursts could be generated by galactic centers. The thought of a burst coming from our own Milky Way galactic center was abysmal. A burst of the same intensity as the 1997 event, originating from inside the Milky Way, would deliver 100,000 time the lethal dose of radiation, killing every life form that was exposed. Could that really happen to us?

                      This question was answered on August 27th, 1998 when an unusual 5 minute gamma ray pulse was located just 20,000 light years away in the constellation of Aquila. This may sound like a huge distance, but to astronomers this is just "next door." The Milky Way Galaxy, for example, is just 100,000 light years from end to end.

                      The 1998 event was close enough and strong enough to ionize Earth's upper atmosphere, damage a couple of spacecraft and disrupt global communication. Since then astronomers place gamma ray bursts from the Glaxy's core at the top of the list of things we don't want to happen.

                      Before Aquila, scientists just feared exploding stars -- novas and supernovas. Now things are different. It's like living in a ghetto and fearing drive-by shootings and random bullets. Then one day you learn that there's a nuclear bomb down the street, waiting to explode."***

                      There is a lot more at stake now - you ought to read LaVoilettes work, some of his papers are around on the net.

                      Then there is the 'z-pinch' petroglyphs - that's one hell of a coincidence especially as they are dated to when this "solar extinction" event was calculated to have occured.

                      For people too lazy to click the previous links, compare:

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                      The term z-pinch originates from experiments where physicists made extremely high current to flow through thin wires that were arranged vertically in a tubular formation. They noticed that the energy quickly vaporized the wires, but the magnetic field generated by these paths remained and contained (or "pinched") the stream of energy, collapsing the streams of energy toward the center of the tube-like configuration -- called the z-axis. When the streams of energy converge, they form unique shapes that persist and can be observed as Birkeland elements, named for their discoverer.



                      [Above (left): Virtual image of the intense auroral plasma column as viewed at an angle of inclination, not to scale. Above (right): Conceptual view of the Birkeland sheath filaments surrounding Earth (28 close pairs). The relativistic electron flow is downwards toward Antarctica. The current bundle above Antarctica twists in counter-clockwise rotation. By convention, the Birkeland currents and ion flow is upwards toward the Arctic. Not yet completely resolved is a bend in the upper filament sheath that allows the upper plasmoids and column to be seen at northern latitudes.]

                      If the Earth was zapped by high energy radiation, either from the Sun or the Galactic core, the planet would be surrounded with distinct lines of energy, converging at the North and South pole. These bands would continue to extend well out from the planet's poles and into space and would be visible from almost every point on Earth -- each with its own unique perspective.



                      Laboratory experiments whith a metal sphere, representing Earth, show the "chalice" shape created by high energy paths [above]. Oddly, repeated experiments show a preference for 56 "rays" or distinct bands of energy. This same number is often depicted in the ancient petroglyphs!



                      [Above (left): Northern hemisphere petroglyphs from the Columbia River Basin, 45.65ºN, 121.95ºW. Right: Oblique view into the auroral plasma column from these coordinates. Above (right): Nasca, Peru vase, date unknown (14.24ºS, 75.58ºW). Note the similarity to the northern hemisphere petroglyphs.]

                      Recent global archiving of global petroglyphs have demonstrated that these shapes were correctly recorded in rock carvings by humans who withnessed this event!



                      [Above (left): White-striped pictographs at Iga Warta Cultural Tourism Centre, North Flinders Range (30.59ºS, 138.94ºE). Shown is Cliff Coulthard, Australian Department of Environment and Planning in Aboriginal Heritage, an authority on pictograph painting techniques having analyzed such works as the Magdalenian cave art in France. Above (right): Lightning Brothers, Ingaladdi, Victoria River, Wardaman country of the Northern Territory (15ºS, 130ºE). New dating techniques of this red inorganic-pigmented pictograph image were done using a plasma-chemical extraction method and correspond to the era of the z-pinch.]

                      When researchers went to various petroglyph sites that contained the z-pinch artifacts they carefully plotted the GPS location and noted if the ancient artist had a clear view of the Southern horizon. Almost all of the sites had this view. The number and extent of these global petroglyph sites clearly demonstrate the purpose of this art. Also, depending on the latitude, depictions of the z-pinch corresponded to the exact perspective that would have been expected.
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                      • Profile picture of the author myob
                        The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) proton particle accelerator will also help us to destroy the earth by 2012. It works best when the galaxy is aligned accurately, and was predicted to occur more than 500 years ago by the French prophet Nostradamus.

                        Physicists have long theorized that particle accelerators could destroy the earth. When electric fields are used to accelerate protons they could collide at speed fast enough to create black holes or bits of altered matter. These small black holes would slowly engulf our planet. The pieces of altered matter, called strangeletes, would destroy any ordinary matter they came in contact with, eventually annihilating the entire planet. Although most scientists assure that none of the particle accelerators being used at the present are strong enough to bring about these events they are unsure of the abilities of the newest accelerator being built. Currently, over two-thousand physicists from thirty-four countries, universities and laboratories are aiding in the construction of The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) located near Geneva, Switzerland.

                        A prophecy of French prophet Nostradamus, predicted the destruction of earth will occur on 2012, which does coincide with the Mayan calendar destruction of earth. His prophecy is a Doomsday Machine very similar to the CERN Large Hadron Collider (LHC) proton particle accelerator near Geneva on the France Swiss border. He envisioned what scientists now compare to a black hole or strangelet particle that could swallow earth and causw other celestial disasters.

                        "All should leave Geneva. Saturn turns from gold to iron. The contrary positive ray (RAYPOZ) will exterminate everything. There will be signs in the sky before this."
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                          *sigh* Reduced to taking the piss, eh? :rolleyes:

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                            Nice piece of work. The "end" is near.
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                              Originally Posted by myob View Post

                              The "end" is near.
                              See, we can agree! *smirks*
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                              • Profile picture of the author Michelle Brouse
                                Hahahah! wow.

                                I have done some research into this also, but you guys blow me away!

                                Just went through some Nostradamus stuff this past week, (as I have back in high school too) - it's just not going to be pretty unless the mass consciousness is there, and the "watchers" come to save some of us poor souls. LOL - yes ALIEN watchers! (Nostradamus predicted that too.)

                                My dad keeps beating this into my head. "Michelle, the earth isn't going anywhere in 2012 - I went through this with you over the year 2000. Are we still here?"

                                LOL - as much as I have this "feeling" that I'm in the end of times, how many others have thought that for example on every year listed above? I was so confident that the year 2000 was "doomsday" that I had to get right into the y2k CODE - and find the dates for programmers to FIX.

                                Well, they fixed the code I "scanned."

                                But when it comes to mother earth, now that's a different story. There is no "fixing" there as far as I'm aware of so far. There's not one person on this planet that can stop a tornado, earthquake, tsunami, hurricane, etc.

                                Now, not to say that some of these buggers haven't figured out how to CAUSE those things, they don't know how to stop them.

                                All I know is that I better get my tail outta here and go to bed!

                                For now!

                                Thanks!
                                Michelle
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                                • Profile picture of the author kajanova
                                  "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." -Albert Einstein


                                  Originally Posted by Michelle Brouse View Post

                                  Hahahah! wow.


                                  Just went through some Nostradamus stuff this past week, (as I have back in high school too) - it's just not going to be pretty unless the mass consciousness is there, and the "watchers" come to save some of us poor souls. LOL - yes ALIEN watchers! (Nostradamus predicted that too.)
                                  This might be of interest... telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/bulgaria/6650677/Aliens-already-exist-on-earth-Bulgarian-scientists-claim.html

                                  I can't post links yet, post count to low. But that is an article about how Bulgarian government scientists have claimed recently that aliens are already on earth and they are in contact with them. :rolleyes:
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                              • Profile picture of the author myob
                                Originally Posted by Phnx View Post

                                See, we can agree! *smirks*
                                I agree the earth as we know it will end someday, but I don't believe we get to choose how it will end. And, there are so many other options on the menu to choose from whether it be ecological, nuclear, asteroid, or this Galactic Alignment theory. As I noted earlier, the end of the earth has been "predicted" from various destructive forces in every decade since recorded time. Some day we'll all be right! Earth: GONE

                                The "Death Star", an errant huge asteroid could wipe out all these carefully calculated Galactic Alignment z-pinch' petroglyphs'. Some scientists give us a little reprieve, such as the asteroid Apophis predicted to pass close to earth on April 13, 2029 and again on 2035 for another attempt of destruction.

                                As far as the Mayan calendar of the end date 12/21/2012, their whole civilization disappeared before they could even enjoy this destruction by Galactic Alignment. Are we going to BE able to witness the lights of GALACTIC ALIGNMENT?

                                Everybody is predicting the end of earth, and of time itself. Of course, without the earth, time won't matter any more, will it? Who really knows how or when for SURE?

                                Fire and Ice
                                by Robert Frost

                                Some say the world will end in fire,
                                Some say in ice.
                                From what I've tasted of desire
                                I hold with those who favor fire.
                                But if it had to perish twice,
                                I think I know enough of hate
                                To say that for destruction ice
                                Is also great
                                And would suffice.
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                        • Profile picture of the author ConcordeWarrior
                          Originally Posted by myob View Post

                          The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) proton particle accelerator will also help us to destroy the earth by 2012.
                          You guys got it all wrong.

                          You forgot the point that by discovering the Giant Boson the LHC scientists will save the world from all evil until the end of time.

                          That's due way before 2012 (according to the Gregorian calendar).

                          Nostradamus and the Mayans knew nothing. Listen to the Concorde Warrior prophecies: no more cold war, no more Bushco, all will fall into place and we will live in paradise.

                          The Giant Boson will save the world!
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                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      Keep prediciting. Some day you might be absolutely right - in a few billion more years.
                      You REALLY think this world will be aaround for a billion more years!?!?!? Oh well, at the rate we are going, HUMANS won't be here for more than a few hundred more, IF WE'RE lucky! In mens health, they talk about a WHOLE group of people that are basically VANISHING from the planet! The boy to girl birth ratio USED to be the standard 105/100! TODAY!?!? It is closer to 25/100! The REASON!?!? POLLUTION, and NO, it is NOT greenhouse gases or anything of the sort. Cap and trade will NOT prevent this!

                      Industrial Pollution Health Hazards - Men's Health

                      And if the men can't father kids, the women aren't going to last very long EITHER!

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                      • Profile picture of the author Cstuff
                        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                        You REALLY think this world will be aaround for a billion more years!?!?!? Oh well, at the rate we are going, HUMANS won't be here for more than a few hundred more, IF WE'RE lucky! In mens health, they talk about a WHOLE group of people that are basically VANISHING from the planet! The boy to girl birth ratio USED to be the standard 105/100! TODAY!?!? It is closer to 25/100! The REASON!?!? POLLUTION, and NO, it is NOT greenhouse gases or anything of the sort. Cap and trade will NOT prevent this!

                        Industrial Pollution Health Hazards - Men's Health

                        And if the men can't father kids, the women aren't going to last very long EITHER!

                        Steve
                        You might want to check your facts, you think the global population has a ratio of 25/100? Seriously?
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                          You might want to check your facts
                          And YOU might want to check your dates. No point in bringing up an old discussion from 2008, is there? Really? A little late to argue with a reply.
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                          Originally Posted by Cstuff View Post

                          You might want to check your facts, you think the global population has a ratio of 25/100? Seriously?
                          I must have had a typo. Frankly, I don't think male/female ratios are that far off even in china. Still, the infertility rate IS climbing.

                          Steve
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                            Originally Posted by Cstuff View Post

                            check your facts

                            Originally Posted by myob View Post

                            This was the only true statement in the entire thread. :rolleyes:
                            This brings up a real logic problem...If Cstuff's statement was the only "true" one, that make's myob's false, which means Cstuff's is also false, but it's the only true one, but the statement saying it was true is false...And on and on...

                            ...Now I'm really confused.
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                            • Profile picture of the author myob
                              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                              ...Now I'm really confused.
                              Sorry about the confusion, Kurt. Very simply, it is the result of the galactic alignment paradox. Meaning the supposition that if one of two simultaneous assumptions leads to a contradiction, the other assumption is also disproved, leading to paradoxical consequences.

                              For example: (1) The next statement is true. (2) The previous statement is false.

                              Hopefully this has been helpful to everyone. Because after 2012, there is no hope for anyone.
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                          Originally Posted by Cstuff View Post

                          check your facts
                          This was the only true statement in the entire thread. :rolleyes:
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              Prepare for detination! Y2K nuts are us! Are you headless?
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              • Profile picture of the author myob
                Since we missed all these "end of the world" predictions:

                44, 53, 80, 100, 200, 130, 381, 400, 435, 470, 500, 950, 964, 965, 968, 969, 979, 980, 983, 984, 989, 1000, 1002, 1003, 1004, 1005, 1006, 1010, 1012, 1014, 1018, 1022, 1025, 1026, 1027, 1028, 1029, 1032, 1033,1036, 1046, 1114, 1135, 1186, 1202, 1415, 1420, 1524, 1525, 1526, 1533, 1534, 1572, 1621, 1650, 1656, 1660, 1666, 1715, 1809, 1814, 1836, 1843, 1844, 1859, 1874, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1960, 1967, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2007

                There are still a few more to plan for: 2010, 2012, 2016, 2029, 2034, 2035, 2047, soon

                Time is running out. Again. Eventually, we're going to get it right.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andres
    Dude,

    I've been reading this myself BUT the one thing that does trip me out is that the Mayans also predicted an event to take place on 12/21/12

    Go on youtube and look up planet x it also talks about this event - scary stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
      What about the Schuman resonance?

      "Time will appear to speed up as we approach Zero Point. A 24
      hour day will seem to about 16 hours or less. Remember the Schumann
      Resonance (or "heart beat" of Mother Earth) has been 7.8 cycles for
      thousands of years, but has been rising since 1980. It is at about 12
      cycles at present. It stops at 13 cycles."
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      • Profile picture of the author chucknnita
        Ive been writing articles all day, and this is the most pleasant diversion I have had.

        Nothing like a good end of the world prediction to cap of an otherwise mediocre day.

        Thank you for this thread.
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            Originally Posted by myob

            As far as the Mayan calendar of the end date 12/21/2012, their whole civilization disappeared before they could even enjoy this destruction by Galactic Alignment. Are we going to BE able to witness the lights of GALACTIC ALIGNMENT?
            The thing about the Mayan Calendar is that it's NOT some mystical 'oracle' as people seem to be treating it. It's a mathematical system that just about the most accurate in the world. Calendars don't just "end", unless the point of reference (whether the Sun or otherwise) is no longer there. If you are used to navigating via the Pole Star say, then as long as you can locate it your mathematical calculations will bear up. However, if you can no longer find the Pole Star, your point of reference is gone and you're screwed.

            The Long Count tracks the movement of the Pleiades and it takes account of the movement through the heavens - for instance the sky is no longer the same as it was 2000 years ago and we have to make adjustments to find the positions of a given star in the past. There's a change over every 2000 or so as we move into a new 'age' - as Steve said, we are about to move from Pisces into Aquarius - so the positions change. The maths takes account of that movement. Unfortunately in 2012 it's like their maths 'run out' which is impossible - unless the Pleiades are no longer locatable. If they can't figure out the position of that star cluster anymore, then their calculations have come to a dead end.

            The Mayans themselves just say there will be "transformation" at that time caused by the world "sitting on the Dark Rift" (and of course when we align with the ecliptic the gravitational pull will be immense.) They do not say the "Earth will end". That's us lot who assume the world and humans=Earth. From the Earths perspective, this is no big deal, a cyclical spring clean if you like, when she'll go on her merry way. It's only bad for our world. More accurate to say the end of an Epoch.

            Think of a forest fire, as it devastates everything before it, it does indeed 'transform' that forest. It grows back stronger and if someone is planting trees well the shape it takes is up to them. Similar thing here really. If this event does happen, then the Earth will be transformed. The Mayans say it will be up to us what the next 'world' is like. Again, they'd be right. It's down to the survivors then, as they'd reuild a new world. There is nothing mystical about it.

            There are way too many other prophecies for this time period to dismiss them all. A handful you could say is a coincidence, but the sheer number of 'coincidences' from different cultures suggests someone is trying to tell us something profound.

            Scientists are really not in a position to say what is NOT possible considering they only discovered the blackhole at the heart of our galaxy a mere 8 years ago. And their assumptions about gamma rays also proved wrong. What else are they gonna discover they were wrong about?

            There are Mayan priests around today in Guatemala who are STILL warning us about this 'transformation'. If it does happen, then yeah, we WILL actually witness it. The Hopi say we will see the Blue Star Kachina in the sky with the naked eye. This tallies with LaVoilletes 'blue star' which we'd see first if there was an explosion in the galactic core. Then we'd see 'a burning sky'. That'd be quite a sight. But it'll kill us if we aren't underground or in caves.

            2012 may be just the worst of it. The Horizon Project suggests the gravitational effects of aligning with the ecliptic will manifest between 2008-2015. Who knows.

            I would suggest if it happens, then if any of you guys survive please make sure when you leave messages on cave walls for the future that you do 'proper' drawings. None of these stripey men or plumes. Draw the bloody solar system, with arrows pointing to earth and obvious explosions, and big ass letters saying *BOOM*. Then we might 'get it' next time around.

            Originally Posted by bigjock

            What about the Schuman resonance?
            Exactly. And the strength of the magnetic field is weakening. If it hits zero it'll get interesting.

            You might be interested in this link: Biology of Kundalini - Cosmic Influences

            And don't forget Terence McKennas Timewave Zero theory which also managed a termination point of 2012.

            They've got the 'seed bank' in the Artic, so if all our world leaders and scientists mysteriously go AWOL in 2012 then they are probably hiding in those post nuclear bunkers.

            Originally Posted by funds4fam

            The bible states that the earth abideth forever.
            Maybe, but we aren't talking about the end of the Earth, just a cyclical event that will finish off our world (until it gets built again) or Epoch. Earth will be just shaking the 'kinks' out you could say.

            You might be interested to know that there is biblical backup for the 2012 date too. Book Of Daniel apparently, as pointed out by a Muslim fella. Hang on I'll go find the link.....

            Here it is, (interpreted from the POV of Islam obviously): The Day of Wrath: They shall ask: "When shall it be?" Say: "Perhaps it will be soon." -- (Biblical Prophecies and the End of Israel)

            And of course there is Revelations. The rebuilding of Babylon (aka Iraq), the Mark Of The Beast. In fact it was the Verichip which got me interested in all these prophecies in the first place - my favourite is the Maori one talking about the 'veil' between this world and the next merging (isn't there something in Revelations about the 'dead walking again'? Merging dimensions would do it). If that chip gets fully implemented we really won't be able to buy and sell without it. Or get a job, or do anything. Can't see how they could complete that by 2012 though.

            As for the "he who has the Mark won't be able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven" stuff, I've kind of interpreted it as: the magnetic field of the planet is changing, so our individual magnetic fields must change to match it (it used to until the Schumann Resonance started changing). Putting an electronic device in us like the chip may interfere with this process - kinda acting like a 'jamming device'. JMO though.

            They've already started with the chip. Note the connection to the Hollerith Machine.


            While I'm 90% convinced something major will happen around that date, I'm flipflopping back and forth between plain ole catastrophe with civilisation forced to start again, and "spiritual transformation" at the same time. At the moment there seems to be more evidence for the former so I'm more inclined to that until something wows me for the other side.

            Only 4 years to go, so I guess we'll soon find out. If nothing happened by 2015 then it's obviously a load of old bollocks. Ve shall see!
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            • Profile picture of the author Andres
              Phnx - that was one incredible video. I will never put a chip in my body!

              That for me is evidence for the mark of the beast as it says in the Good Book (Revelations).

              Today it’s your medical info, tomorrow it will read your whole life story with your financial information. Soon enough they'll do away with money and just scan your arm at the supermarket.

              I won’t apologize for sounding doomsday here because I do believe this event in 2012 is coming. In fact there are other texts out there such as the Kolbrin Bible detailing a catastrophic event to take place on 2012. In fact it’s supposed to last until 2014.

              There is a planet (Planet X a red dwarf discovered in 1982) that has an elliptical orbit with our sun and passes through our system every 3600 years. The Mayans and the Egyptians referred to it as the destroyer.

              I don’t believe that life on Earth will end in 2012 but rather we will have massive tsunamis ,earthquakes and volcanic eruptions that will cause damage on a wide scale. It’s also predicted that our planet will change its axis, which has already happened in Earth’s past.

              HOWEVER, I do believe that humans will endure but we will enter a new age of spirituality. All this has been foretold in the Old and New Testaments.

              All you have to do is read the bible and have some faith.
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              • Profile picture of the author myob
                Hugh Heffner has predicted the world will end in 2009. My Playboy calendar stops on January 31, 2009.
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                • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
                  nobody care to comment on the schuman resonance? This is an actual and current change that can be scientifically observed...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Phnx
                    Originally Posted by bigjock

                    nobody care to comment on the schuman resonance?
                    Already did, post 23.

                    Not a lot to say really as nobody knows why it's changing.
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                    Originally Posted by Barry Walls View Post

                    nobody care to comment on the schuman resonance? This is an actual and current change that can be scientifically observed...
                    Interesting , just need sometime to understand it
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                  Originally Posted by myob View Post

                  Hugh Heffner has predicted the world will end in 2009. My Playboy calendar stops on January 31, 2009.
                  Damn, I've now seen the light, Howaluya!

                  Foregive me father....oh, wiat, I'm not cath... never mind.

                  Kids, get in the car...

                  ~MM~
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                  • Profile picture of the author myob
                    Gee, thanks Michael for digging up that one, lol! Well, this 2012 thing seems to be winding down to a sputter from its former rip-roaring days of yore. No one takes it seriously anymore, and my Clickbank and Amazon book sales are down. We need some new catastrophes to lighten things up around here. What do you think of the prophecy I made here early in this thread, for when the 2012 niche approaches its expiration date?

                    Originally Posted by myob View Post

                    ...I prophesy that after 2012, there will be more coming catastrophe boogies such as the Apophis death star, an asteroid that will wipe out earth on April 13, 2029, and if that misses, it will come around again on April 13, 2036. This niche market can be milked for at least until 2070, when Apohis will eventually smash into either Earth or the Moon. In either case that, could be the end of life as we know it, unless an advanced civilization from a galaxy far far away intervenes in time to save our planet. But that is another story. To be continued ...
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      Well, this 2012 thing seems to be winding down to a sputter from its former rip-roaring days of yore. No one takes it seriously anymore, and my Clickbank and Amazon book sales are down. We need some new catastrophes to lighten things up around here.
                      Let's JV Paul ... I think the whole New World Order, Illuminati, Bilderbergs, etc. thing is ripe for the picking.





                      PS - The world ended months ago. I put it back together when you weren't looking.
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                        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                        Let's JV Paul ... I think the whole New World Order, Illuminati, Bilderbergs, etc. thing is ripe for the picking.

                        PS - The world ended months ago. I put it back together when you weren't looking.
                        It does appear from the above post, Dennis, that there is still a ready market for the Galactic Alignment phenomena, which can also be integrated into a full-fledged JV marketing campaign of the New World Order, Illuminati, Bilderbergs, UFOs, and other things ripe for the picking. I am promoting this book, which is a basic introduction encompassing the full range of those topics, and is available from Amazon:


                        2007-2012 World Outlook for Tinware 2007-2012 World Outlook for Tinware

                        This study covers the world outlook for tinware end products across more than 200 countries. Estimates are given for the latent demand, or potential industry earnings (P.I.E.), for the country in question (in millions of U.S. dollars), the percent share the country is of the region and of the globe.

                        Using econometric models which project fundamental economic dynamics within each country and across countries, latent demand estimates are created. It does not discuss the specific players in the market serving the latent demand, nor specific details at the product level. The study also does not consider short-term cyclicalities. The study, therefore, is strategic in nature, taking an aggregate and long-run view, irrespective of the players involved.

                        One must read between the lines, however because the message is hidden within layers of esoteric symbols. At its base is the meticulous details of the agenda of aliens will scare the hell out of you. Lots of people have been waiting for this book for a long time. Thirty years ago, the author began writing the Earth Chronicle series, which posits the theory (supposedly recorded in Sumerian myth) that extraterrestrials, the Aununnaki, arrived on Earth eons ago and genetically engineered humans, of which the Illuminati, Bilderbergs and others are descendents with an agenda for a new world order. Much of this book is taken up with backstory, but that doesn't mean newbies can't just jump in.

                        Although he helpfully highlights key points in boldface, there's a lot to keep straight faced here. Readers attempting to deal with a couple hundred thousand years of history, ancient astronauts becoming human gods, and the author's attempt to tie it all into biblical prophecies may wish they were on another planet. Yet the series has legions of devoted fans who have been waiting to learn if the Aununnaki are coming back and, if so, when. He notes that it's hard to determine where to start the countdown to the end days, which may be tied to the Aununnaki's reappearance. It might come in 2012, just in time to save the world from certain catastrophe.

                        So much information and details about incidents and facts hidden from us for years. The book is very useful for both the skeptics and believers, because it is intelligently written, far from biases and the spell of faith and prejudices. It is written by a scholar who authored so many books on civilizations, arts, law and theater. His approach is extremely different from the way and style mainstream fanatic ufologists wrote about the subject.

                        From them, we learn about exaggerated facts and conspiracies theories. From Maximillien de Lafayette, the author of Extraterrestrials Agenda, we learn facts, because he invites us to think and understand these phenomena instead of believing in these mysterious things like a blind old fool. This book contains a variety of topics touching many aspects of ufology, such as: UFOs, Aliens and Abductees from A to Z. Theories, conspiracies, beliefs, myths and facts. Encounters, abduction, aliens and multiple universes. Aliens' world, origin, bases on earth and outer space, intentions, agenda and plans for the human race. How aliens contact and communicate with human beings. Aliens' species, physiology, names and categories. Aliens' strengths and weaknesses. UFOs, time/space travel. Aliens and governments, United States Air Force, CIA & The White House. Abduction, hypnosis and psychiatry. Believers and skeptics. Interviews with abductees, contactees, scientists and experts in the field.

                        You might not take the subject very seriously, until you start to read the chapters on the aliens' plans for humanity. Are we safe? Is extraterrestrials threat REAL? There are plenty of evidence,and affidavits, also statements by top American scientists and militarymen! Something really bizarre is happening at NASA, the Pentagon and the underground world of the CIA! I hope I am wrong.

                        This book explains the hidden reality of the intentions of the aliens...frightening scenario, but it could happen. Already well-known scientists admited that one alien race is constantly threatening the United States. The author is right when he said: "We laugh at all those who report UFOs sightings, especially when sightings, encounters and abduction incidents are reported by uneducated individuals, untrained persons, and people with mental problems history.

                        BUT it is hard to refute the existence of extraterrestrials, UFOs and some flying saucers' crashes, when, and only when pertinent official statements, reports, testimonies and findings are given by army and air force generals and colonels, navy admirals, NATO commanders, military air bases' commanding officers, eminent scientists, astrophysicists, astronomers, United States' astronauts, Nobel Prize winners, the 20th and 21st centuries greatest physics theoreticians, university professors, NASA engineers, military and civilian air traffic controllers, NORAD observers, and pilots with over 30 years of flying experience!

                        The author's gift is his ability to tie together information from diverse disciplines like linguistics, astronomy and ancient texts. He shows clear examples of how they are in agreement that have not been previously mentioned. This points to explanations that sometimes diverge from what is academically accepted. Conventional archeology is increasingly straining too hard to incorporate recent discoveries in its narrative. New scientific disciplines may soon push the envelope into a revolution in our concept of history. When that happens I suspect they will find that he was on the right path already.

                        I don't agree with everything the author writes, but do appreciate this book's synthesis of knowledge and apparent unification of conspiracies at the highest level involving UFOs driving world events. It is thought provoking and well written. Unless you've read some of his previous books it may be difficult to grasp his overall concept. I highly recommend it.
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                          Originally Posted by myob View Post

                          It does appear from the above post, Dennis, that there is still a ready market for the Galactic Alignment phenomena, which can also be integrated into a full-fledged JV marketing campaign of the New World Order, Illuminati, Bilderbergs, UFOs, and other things ripe for the picking. I am promoting this book, which is a basic introduction encompassing the full range of those topics, and is available from Amazon:


                          2007-2012 World Outlook for Tinware


                          This study covers the world outlook for tinware end products across more than 200 countries. Estimates are given for the latent demand, or potential industry earnings (P.I.E.), for the country in question (in millions of U.S. dollars), the percent share the country is of the region and of the globe.

                          Using econometric models which project fundamental economic dynamics within each country and across countries, latent demand estimates are created. It does not discuss the specific players in the market serving the latent demand, nor specific details at the product level. The study also does not consider short-term cyclicalities. The study, therefore, is strategic in nature, taking an aggregate and long-run view, irrespective of the players involved.

                          One must read between the lines, however because the message is hidden within layers of esoteric symbols. At its base is the meticulous details of the agenda of aliens will scare the hell out of you. Lots of people have been waiting for this book for a long time. Thirty years ago, the author began writing the Earth Chronicle series, which posits the theory (supposedly recorded in Sumerian myth) that extraterrestrials, the Aununnaki, arrived on Earth eons ago and genetically engineered humans, of which the Illuminati, Bilderbergs and others are descendents with an agenda for a new world order. Much of this book is taken up with backstory, but that doesn't mean newbies can't just jump in.

                          Although he helpfully highlights key points in boldface, there's a lot to keep straight faced here. Readers attempting to deal with a couple hundred thousand years of history, ancient astronauts becoming human gods, and the author's attempt to tie it all into biblical prophecies may wish they were on another planet. Yet the series has legions of devoted fans who have been waiting to learn if the Aununnaki are coming back and, if so, when. He notes that it's hard to determine where to start the countdown to the end days, which may be tied to the Aununnaki's reappearance. It might come in 2012, just in time to save the world from certain catastrophe.

                          So much information and details about incidents and facts hidden from us for years. The book is very useful for both the skeptics and believers, because it is intelligently written, far from biases and the spell of faith and prejudices. It is written by a scholar who authored so many books on civilizations, arts, law and theater. His approach is extremely different from the way and style mainstream fanatic ufologists wrote about the subject.

                          From them, we learn about exaggerated facts and conspiracies theories. From Maximillien de Lafayette, the author of Extraterrestrials Agenda, we learn facts, because he invites us to think and understand these phenomena instead of believing in these mysterious things like a blind old fool. This book contains a variety of topics touching many aspects of ufology, such as: UFOs, Aliens and Abductees from A to Z. Theories, conspiracies, beliefs, myths and facts. Encounters, abduction, aliens and multiple universes. Aliens' world, origin, bases on earth and outer space, intentions, agenda and plans for the human race. How aliens contact and communicate with human beings. Aliens' species, physiology, names and categories. Aliens' strengths and weaknesses. UFOs, time/space travel. Aliens and governments, United States Air Force, CIA & The White House. Abduction, hypnosis and psychiatry. Believers and skeptics. Interviews with abductees, contactees, scientists and experts in the field.

                          You might not take the subject very seriously, until you start to read the chapters on the aliens' plans for humanity. Are we safe? Is extraterrestrials threat REAL? There are plenty of evidence,and affidavits, also statements by top American scientists and militarymen! Something really bizarre is happening at NASA, the Pentagon and the underground world of the CIA! I hope I am wrong.

                          This book explains the hidden reality of the intentions of the aliens...frightening scenario, but it could happen. Already well-known scientists admited that one alien race is constantly threatening the United States. The author is right when he said: "We laugh at all those who report UFOs sightings, especially when sightings, encounters and abduction incidents are reported by uneducated individuals, untrained persons, and people with mental problems history.

                          BUT it is hard to refute the existence of extraterrestrials, UFOs and some flying saucers' crashes, when, and only when pertinent official statements, reports, testimonies and findings are given by army and air force generals and colonels, navy admirals, NATO commanders, military air bases' commanding officers, eminent scientists, astrophysicists, astronomers, United States' astronauts, Nobel Prize winners, the 20th and 21st centuries greatest physics theoreticians, university professors, NASA engineers, military and civilian air traffic controllers, NORAD observers, and pilots with over 30 years of flying experience!

                          The author's gift is his ability to tie together information from diverse disciplines like linguistics, astronomy and ancient texts. He shows clear examples of how they are in agreement that have not been previously mentioned. This points to explanations that sometimes diverge from what is academically accepted. Conventional archeology is increasingly straining too hard to incorporate recent discoveries in its narrative. New scientific disciplines may soon push the envelope into a revolution in our concept of history. When that happens I suspect they will find that he was on the right path already.

                          I don't agree with everything the author writes, but do appreciate this book's synthesis of knowledge and apparent unification of conspiracies at the highest level involving UFOs driving world events. It is thought provoking and well written. Unless you've read some of his previous books it may be difficult to grasp his overall concept. I highly recommend it.

                          Niiice...do you write the fine print for credit cards as well?....
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                          • Profile picture of the author myob
                            Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

                            Niiice...do you write the fine print for credit cards as well?....
                            Isn't that fine print usually just some simple little silly translation of something like "caveat emptor"?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Baker
    I'm having some trouble here. I can't figure out which is more interesting, the original post or the debate between myob and Phnx.

    I felt a reply was necessary to try to breathe some life back into this debate. It's not 2012 yet; there's still time!

    Seriously though, this is a very interesting and informative post. Of course, as the debate proves, we're each left to draw our own conclusions. But the facts give me enough info so that I can draw my own with a whole lot more knowledge than I had before discovering this post. I really enjoyed reading this entire thread and sharing the information with my son (the conversation being more focused on space than doomsday, of course. I'm sure he doesn't want to be blown up, deep fried, disintegrated when he's 12).

    P.S. Either way you look at it, there wouldn't be much point of drawing up a will on 12/20/2012, would there?
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    Dang it, my final Porsche payment is on January 14th, 2013
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeink
    Let see now the world ended on Dec 31/99 at midnight. We are still here. 2012 well another fairy tale.
    Seems like all is okay. no need to worry people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zach Booker
    Just curious here...maybe this is a dumb question...

    You said the Myans and others did all those cave drawings and such, but after they did those where'd they go?

    Was that before their "transformation" and they than died? Or did they live through it?

    And if they lived through it why isn't there more info from the Myans and others about this?

    I haven't looked into any of this at all so maybe i'm making no sense.

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    • Profile picture of the author Phnx
      Blimey, this is an old thread!

      Originally Posted by Zach Booker View Post

      Just curious here...maybe this is a dumb question...

      You said the Myans and others did all those cave drawings and such, but after they did those where'd they go?
      The Mayan didn't do those drawings, it was the the ancestors of the Aborigines of Australia, and those in Peru. Plenty of those people still around but whether they know what the cave drawings represent, dunno. It's like the Easter Island Statues, or the great chalk drawings in the hills over here..or Stonehenge etc...we can only guess as to who did them and why.

      We are talking around 15,000 years ago (12,950 BC) when the last solar 'extinction event' allegedly occurred, (which just coincidentally matches the dating for many of those 'z pinch' petroglyphs) so any info will be encoded in myths and legend and not easily available. (It's curious that the lab experiments and the petroglyphs show a preference for 56 'rays'.)

      The current breech in the heliopause is not something to ignore either.

      Had to go hunt out that link again, but it makes interesting reading, especially re the z-pinch experiments....

      "Perhaps the most dramatic evidence of what we can expect in 2012 comes from the most unlikely place -- ancient petroglyphs! Ancient rock carvings from around the globe, created during the last solar "zap" 14,950 years ago, seem to illustrate a spectacular event that happened when the Earth was last hit by extremely high radiation."

      Part 2 - The Previous Doomsday of 12,950 BC: what was it like?: Viewzone

      Guess we'll find out soon enough if anything is gonna happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwebb610
    MYOB: Keep predicting. Some day you might be absolutely right - in a few billion more years.

    The earth is only approximately 7000 years old and will be coming to an end as we know it in the VERY near future according to the Bible.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by dlwebb610 View Post

      MYOB: Keep predicting. Some day you might be absolutely right - in a few billion more years.

      The earth is only approximately 7000 years old and will be coming to an end as we know it in the VERY near future according to the Bible.
      That is my point, dlwebb610; the infinitesmally low improbability in 2012 is like saying a solar eclipse will usher in the end of days. The Bible also says that no one knows the day nor the hour. Actually, the only thing that I can even predict with any certainty at all is the stock market and real estate; of which I've been right over 92% of the time for the last 17 years. Those who buy stocks and real estate now will become extremely wealthy within the next 10 to 15 years. It's in the stars, but I digress.

      Anyway , the doom sayers will be right finally someday. Afterall, even a broken, dysfuntional watch has the right time, sometimes. Dysfunctional superstition posing as science abounds, and rare astronomical events such as this "Galactic Alignment" doom in 2012 is no exception to this highly predictable psycological phenomena. The Maya population were mostly illiterate farmers and laborers, who were controlled by the kings, nobles, priests and scribes through religious and superstitious myths laced into observable cosmic events such as the winter and summer solstices, solar eclipses and star positions.

      Mundane facts indicate that the Mayan kings and nobles were focused more on short-term projects like enriching themselves and building monuments than in predicting the end of the world or the dawning of a New Age. The Maya developed their own mythology just like the Greeks and Romans have done as evidenced in the Western-adopted silly superstitions that we now have such as Astrology and other psuedo-science bull shit.

      The Maya, Egyptians, Chinese and various other agrarian cultures developed highly advanced calendars for planting seasons which also predicted the astronomical phenomena of the Sun and solar system passing through the plane of the galactic ecliptic. This event happens regularly about every 26,000 years. There is nothing that I have seen where the ancients actually prophesy it to be the end of the world; this appears to be a modern or "new age" interpretation.

      My best guess is that it may also be a conspiracy by businesses that got left with a lot of survivalist equipment inventory after Y2K and other similar scares. Ancient bullshit just keeps getting recycled for new suckers year after year.

      Seriously, dlwebb610, you are falling into the same trap by even believing all this junk yourself. The Bible says "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." (Matthew 24:24)
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
      Originally Posted by Michael Milken View Post

      Why people even read or believe in the bible is beyond me.
      You're probably right...
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Michael Milken View Post

      Why people even read or believe in the bible is beyond me.
      Well, there IS a lot of truth in it. Some things people claimed were not true are now established FACT! It SAID what would happen with the muslims, and it DID! It EVEN has a reference to the MUSLIM temple in israel, built against the ruins of the jewish one. So SOME stuff is SHOCKING.

      It predicts that a leader will move many to his side and lead a rebellion to try to bring the whole world under one government and the base cause will be ETHNIC differences!

      That last part may be TOTAL bunk! Maybe it isn't gods word! Maybe it was a LIE! But they are certainly TRYING and to some degree SUCCEEDING!

      So YEAH, read it like a fairy tale if you want. If you do, at least READ BETWEEN THE LINES! I recently said the same about "RISE of the planet of the apes". I KNOW that is bunk, but there was a LOT of truth in it! Take out the fact that the apes rebelled, and it might be 100% true! Take out the fact that a deadly disease was spread, and it IS 100% true! We KNOW they are working with that "technology". We KNOW they are working on that goal. We KNOW they are working on chimps. etc.... But just saying all that would be a slanderous documentary.

      BTW if such a disease were spread, in such a way, it's origins may NEVER be discovered! Hell, in the movie, a pilot, IIRC, spread the disease, through his flight path. There IS a recent example of a flight attendant that did the EXACT same thing! ONE PERSON! THAT virus came to be known as HIV! Interesting little tidbit here! The only similar thing found was a primate disease, and HIV didn't affect some of them in the same way. It makes you think, HUH?

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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Now myob you talk about all these predictions of "the end" but the Mayans only had one date predicted a zillion years ago-12-21-2012. And anyone who does the tiniest bit of research knows there calendar went ahead thousands of years, was 100% accurate, and is even more accurate than one modern scientists can come up with. That makes it scary cause is the Mayan calendar 100% accurate on everything but that? So far their track record is 100%. What will happen 12-21-2012, who knows?
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by valerieSONORA View Post

      Now myob you talk about all these predictions of "the end" but the Mayans only had one date predicted a zillion years ago-12-21-2012. And anyone who does the tiniest bit of research knows there calendar went ahead thousands of years, was 100% accurate, and is even more accurate than one modern scientists can come up with. That makes it scary cause is the Mayan calendar 100% accurate on everything but that? So far their track record is 100%. What will happen 12-21-2012, who knows?
      The Maya calendar was thousands of years of non-repeating cycles from August 11, 3114 B.C to December 21, 2012 A.D. The long count calendar or cycle ends on 12-21-2012, then "resets" or starts over again. It is very accurate indeed, but the Maya never indicated or ever prophesied that the world will end.

      This "end of the world" scenario using the Maya calendar actually began in the 1960's by writers such as Michael Coe, and later by Charles Gallenkamp and was heavily promoted by Dee Finney's books and online starting in 2005. Others picked up on it, added more spin, and now it is just like the thousands of other similar end of the world "prophecies" throughout the centuries in history. The Maya rulers and nobles made up their own bullshit myths and gods to tell to their illiterate farmers and laborers to govern them and monetize, but the Galactic Alignment is fresh squeezed bullshit with a New Age movement flavoring.

      I prophesy that after 2012, there will be more coming catastrophe boogies such as the Apophis death star, an asteroid that will wipe out earth on April 13, 2029, and if that misses, it will come around again on April 13, 2036. This niche market can be milked for at least until 2070, when Apohis will eventually smash into either Earth or the Moon. In either case that, could be the end of life as we know it, unless an advanced civilization from a galaxy far far away intervenes in time to save our planet. But that is another story. To be continued ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ty Wagner
    I am a firm believer in 2012. I became interested in the topic when I had a crazy art teacher in high school a few years back. I just started pre launch for my new site at 2012 Official Countdown - What Will Happen In 2012?. I have a free report that you can download and learn more information about 2012. If you don't believe in 2012 then just ReTweet the video. Trust Me...Your followers will thank you!
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    • Profile picture of the author axel40
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      I have found a very detailed,thorough and scientific strong text (pdf book) ( I bought) surveying all these aspects of 2012 ( polar shift, solar flares, Nibiru etc. etc.) and their conclusion is stongly that there are no valid scientific reasons to fear these so catastrophic scenarios you, P. Geryl and others proclaim, except the solar flares climaxing on 2012( and that might be bad enough!). I recommend you to read this pdf if you haven´t and give your opinion. If you can do that in a convincing way i will for sure buy and recommend your package. That you also seems to cover the correct NWO aspects honours you anyhow !
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      Oh,sorry I forgot to mention the name of the book. It is:The definitive guide about 2012 by Loino and Caroll
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      • Profile picture of the author magaia
        Thanks so much for starting and contributing to this thread. I just got here. Personally, I don't feel it's a physical end, only a shift and change in awareness/consciousness etc. It's all still fun to read tho. Thanks again.

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    Hi Ty Wagner(Michael Sayer?)
    Oh, sorry, I forgot to tell the name of that pdf: It is: The definitive guide about 2012 by Loino and Caroll.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Another interesting point I haven't seen brought up...

    Several of the planets that are aligning on this date were scientifically impossible for the Mayans to have known existed. The ones they did know to exist have aligned several times during this period of time. So how, exactly, could the Mayans have predicted the precise date of an event they could not possibly describe?

    Most people are simply not in tune with the universe, and seriously underestimate the power of being in tune with it.

    That said, it's not a doomsday prediction. It's the marker for the previous creation. The Mayans believed that the universe is recreated over and over again, but each time it has been flawed - the success of each creation is measured against those which came before. The 12-21-2012 date is not a prediction of doomsday, it is a marker for how long the previous creation successfully lasted... it's when the previous creation was destroyed, and this one began anew. It's the date that we are officially an improvement over the previous creation.

    Were the Mayans around today, there would be no panic or fear - they would just be planning a massive party. We're winning. And on that fateful day marked on their calendar, we will have won.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    Interesting post. I hope nothing bad happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    Undoubtedly (a fact without doubt) the Mayans knew that these things would happen in 2012. . . . . Ok.

    People assume that because the Mayans calendar ends on 12/21/12 means that this is the end of days and the end of the world. However, let's take a look at how their system works. They relied on the Long Count of which the Great Cycle was a part of. The Great Cycle ends on 12/21/12. It consists of 13 Bak'tuns which are 400 years of 360 day years which is close, but not quite to our actual year. Because the Great Cycle ends next year, it seems like a great end to this world, however, it is just the end of the 13th Bak'tun of that cycle. It also just means that 12/22/12 is the first day of the 14th Bak'tun. Had they ended their count after 14 Bak'tuns, people in the 25th century would be heralding the end of the world then. Just as the people would have in the 17th century had they ended with 12 Bak'tuns and the people knew of that date. Would it be feasible for the Mayans to count to infinity? I don't think so, so they made even higher units of measurements.

    Furthermore, the Maya conceived of epochs or ages that were much longer than the Great Cycle. A P’iktun was comprised of 20 Bak’tuns. A Kalabtun consisted of 8,000 Bak'tuns. The present P’iktun will end on October 13, 4772 AD, a date which was carved in the Temple of the Inscriptions at Palenque.

    So, before people jump to a conclusion based on the Great Cycles numbers, they should know the whole story. The Mayans actually predicted that the world would still be here for several millennia more than the one we are in. So whatever happens in 2012, at least it wasn't because the Mayans knew anything or predicted the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author promhut729
    Galactic alignment will happen then
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    It would be interesting if the Mayan prediction is spot on, but you never know
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    Nice. You lifted someone else's story from here:

    Doomsday, The Mayan Calendar and 2012

    And put it here at the WF as if it were your story!

    Either we will all be laughing at you come December 22, or you'll be laughing at us.

    :-Don
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Actually Don, in all fairness, the OP (phnx) did provide the reference link at the very end of her opening salvo.

      These playful little banters between us have been going on since the old warrior forum. Glad you enjoyed it.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Don Schenk View Post

      Nice. You lifted someone else's story from here:

      Doomsday, The Mayan Calendar and 2012

      And put it here at the WF as if it were your story!

      Either we will all be laughing at you come December 22, or you'll be laughing at us.

      :-Don
      This is a post from the days that a lot of people would just post whole stories......sometimes stories that were way too long to be posted in whole..........but those were the days before the FTC went up in arms and global legislation against copyright violation got fierce. The warriors didn't post the articles on blogs (at least honest ones) and that kind of things - just in the forum for means of discussion. It's now a very frowned upon practice in forums just as anywhere else.

      It's all good. You missed some hella marathon threads back in the day. Some serious discussions -- some really bizarre. If you never got to read the 80 page Nonsense thread, you missed the best Off the Topic thread to ever hit a forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author fishka
    good post! 100% we'll all die...sometimes ))
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  • Profile picture of the author Blacklisted
    WTF.. and Im still virgin.lol..

    12-21-2012 will tell us what will going to happen on that day, We just have to wait for more than 1 year and then this prediction will end...

    I don't believe on predictions or something But I believe that day is special, not to count its my birthday..lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Michelle Brouse
      Oh my gosh... you have got to be kidding me. This thread cracks me up, as I just found out that I can review some of my old threads. lol!

      Hey ya'll, it is 2012 now! I so fell for a lot of this stuff. I still do. It's just wild to see this post....
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Michelle Brouse View Post

        Hey ya'll, it is 2012 now!
        Not REALLY! The 2012 event all were talking about is like 12/21/2012, as I recall. In any event, it is after 11/1/2012.

        A number of things I predicted have been happening. Of course, when I said that here like a year ago, it was already happening. And at least one thing is said to happen like every 10 years. One thing has been happening obviously through the last decade or so.

        BTW Jesse Ventura is now talking about underground shelters to protect some against a disaster planned to happen this year. It looks like it is on its way, and the governments and others have been doing what they can to delay it, but it is HARD to contain. if the US were the ONLY one involved, we might not be able to know we are somewhat safe until maybe late 2013. But the US is NOT the only one involved. It may affect EVERY big or technologically able country on the planet! It affects big ones like the US, UK, EU, etc.... and affects ethiopia, haiti, etc....

        So what are the shelters for? To guard against the riots, etc... that should be much larger than any seen before, etc...., because of the economy. Soros recently openly said they WILL happen.

        One thing I can't figure though. SUPPOSEDLY they can live for maybe 100days. what do they think will happen when they come out? And there WILL be machinery up here.

        Just being gone will prove what happened. It is tantamount to admitting that all that has been said is true.

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  • Profile picture of the author bailbondsguys
    Great information in this thread! I'm kinda a science freak.
    All I know is that I'm going to horde this over my kids and the next generation forever!

    "Did you survive the Y2K?"
    "Did you survive the 2012?"
    "Have you ever seen a galactic alignment?"
    "No? Then shut up and eat your vegetables and don't question your father!"

    Hahahaha.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michelle Brouse
      Hiya seasoned.

      Yeah, I have read through an awful lot of stuff in the past 3-4 years - checked into a bit of EVERYTHING. :::Overload, overload - warning warning!:::

      Felt like that robot on "lost in space" waving my arms around. Think I've finally calmed down, but still have my days.

      bailbondsguys and myob have me chuckling. Dad has been telling me for years to eat my vegetables. LOL!

      Working on the y2k project for 3 years sufficiently calmed me down, so by the time 2000 rolled through I wasn't near as worried as I had been before I started working on that project.

      Quite the big difference from me 3 years ago and now too. Well... I'm still goofy, but I doubt that part will ever change.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Attaboy Steve, dont be afraid to pick up the argument right where it left off 2 years ago

    hahaha (just joking btw, dont take it serious)
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    • Profile picture of the author Michelle Brouse
      DOH! lol!
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  • Profile picture of the author McCoy
    this is interesting,, so what's gonna happen if that happens? I mean planetary alignment?
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      There never has been and never will be an alignment of all the planets, because each planetary orbit is tilted slightly relative to each other. And none will even be close to alignment until along about 2040. But, until then there will always be plenty of other things to worry about. Since galactic alignment can never really happen as so highly touted about in this thread and others, you might be interested to find out what is really going to happen by reading this much acclaimed book: "The Complete Idiot's Guide to 2012" by Dr. Synthia Andrews (published Oct 7, 2008). Note the credit card fine print on checkout: "Caveat Emptor".
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